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How The U.S. Will Become a 3rd World Country (Part 2)

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Submitted by Ron Hera of Hera Research

How the U.S. Will Become a 3rd World Country (Part 2) (Part 1 found here)

The United States is quickly coming to resemble a post industrial neo-3rd-world country.  Unemployment, lack of economic opportunity, falling real wages and household incomes, growing poverty and increasing concentration of wealth are major trends in the U.S. today.  Behind these growing problems are monetary inflation created by the Federal Reserve’s monetary policies, federal government deficit spending and the dominant influence of “too big to fail” banks and large corporations in Washington D.C., which has altered the direction of law in the United States.  To make matters worse, the U.S. government faces a historic fiscal crisis.

High unemployment, lack of economic opportunity, low wages, widespread poverty, extreme concentration of wealth, unsustainable government debt, control of the government by international banks and multinational corporations, weak rule of law and counterproductive policies are defining characteristics of 3rd world countries.  Other factors include poor public health, nutrition and education, as well as lack of infrastructure—factors that deteriorate rapidly in a failing economy.

Apparently ineffective regulation and relatively little law enforcement action by the federal government in the wake of the sub-prime mortgage meltdown resulted in widespread speculation that special interests had taken priority over the rule of law.  Critics have also charged that the federal government’s policies threaten to eliminate what remains of the American middle class.

Accelerating Concentration of Wealth

In response to the economic downturn that began in 2007 and the start of the financial crisis in 2008, the U.S. federal government and the Federal Reserve resorted to a radically inflationary policy intended to save banks and to shepherd the U.S. economy through a recession.  Instead, radically inflationary policies greatly increased the concentration of wealth.

Under ordinary circumstances, monetary inflation has the effect of redistributing wealth in favor of those who receive newly created money first.  The value of money is reduced as a function of the number of currency units in the economy but recipients of newly created money can spend it before it loses value.  In a declining economy, however, the wealth redistribution effects of inflation are magnified.

When the Federal Reserve or the federal government supports banks and financial markets through liquidity injections, bailouts, asset purchases, quantitative easing, etc., the lion’s share of financial support, i.e., newly created money, is captured by the largest financial institutions and by the wealthiest 1% of Americans.  Money printing skews the distribution of money over the economy while the value of money, i.e., the purchasing power of wages and savings, is reduced.  The overall effect is a wealth transfer from proverbial Main Street to literal Wall Street.

Looming Fiscal Crisis

U.S. government debt and deficit spending have markedly accelerated over the past decade.  For example, The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was created and the U.S. military grew to 3 million active duty and reserve personnel, not including contractors.  Since 2001, the U.S. spent approximately $1 trillion on military expansion while the total cost of the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq has been estimated to exceed $3.7 trillion.

Although the U.S. federal government remains in denial, the Congressional debt ceiling debate and subsequent U.S. credit rating downgrade on August 5, 2011 were only the tip of the iceberg.  In fact, the United States faces a historic fiscal crisis.

As of 2012, the majority of new federal government debt will stem from interest on existing debt.  Treasury bond issues totaled $2.55 trillion in 2010, roughly 2x the federal budget deficit of $1.3 trillion.  Artificially low U.S. Treasury bond yields, created by the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing (QE1 and QE2) programs and by its current “Operation Twist,” only slow the rate at which the federal debt balloons.

The U.S. federal government’s fast growing debt is $14.94 trillion, approximately 100% of GDP.  Additionally, future liabilities total $66.6 trillion based on generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP accounting) and using official data from the Medicare and Social Security annual reports and from the audited financial report of the federal government.

1.    Medicare: $24.8 trillion
2.    Social Security: $21.4 trillion
3.    Federal debt: $10.2 trillion* (not including intra-governmental obligations)
4.    State, local government obligations: $5.2 trillion
5.    Military retirement/disability benefits: $3.6 trillion
6.    Federal employee retirement benefits: $2 trillion

The eventual insolvency of the U.S. federal government cannot be averted through any combination of taxes, budget cuts or realistic GDP growth.  Inflationary policies, i.e., increasing deficit spending by the federal government and debt monetization by the Federal Reserve, would devalue the U.S. dollar and potentially trigger a hyperinflationary collapse of the currency.  To stave off the inevitable, interim measures might include tax increases, exchange controls, nationalization of pension funds or other measures similar to those taken in 3rd world countries.

Dominant Corporate Influence

In a 2009 radio interview on Elmhurst, Illinois’ WJJG 1530 AM, Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) explained that “…the banks—hard to believe in a time when we’re facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created—are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill.  And they frankly own the place.”  Senator Durbin was unequivocal in saying that the federal government of the United States is controlled by banks.  Simon Johnson, former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), had reached the same conclusion one month earlier in his widely read article The Quiet Coup.  Johnson explained that the finance industry had effectively captured the U.S. government, a state of affairs typical of 3rd world countries.

Corporate influence over the political process, as well as over the tax and regulatory policies of the United States, is at an all time high.  The federal government is the largest single customer in the U.S. economy and, through taxation or regulation, the government can grant or deny market access to private companies and can either prevent or mandate the consumption of their products and services.  As a result, virtually every large corporation in the United States seeks to win the government’s business and to steer government tax policies and regulations in their favor.  Naturally, politicians who accede to the wishes of particular corporations are given campaign funds to ensure their reelection.  In the past decade, the amount of money spent on lobbying has more than doubled and there are currently 24 lobbyists for every 1 member of Congress.

The interdependence of elected officials and the largest U.S. corporations reached a new high with the 2008 bank bailouts.  The influence of private corporations and de facto industrial cartels (comprising the largest corporations in each major industry) over tax and regulatory policies creates significant economic distortions that ultimately compromise the sustainability and the stability of the economy.  Ideally, the government would be an impartial referee, rather than an active business partner that overwhelmingly favors large businesses over small businesses, despite the fact that small businesses account for the vast majority of American jobs.

Impact on the Rule of Law

Corruption, cronyism and weak rule of law are typical of 3rd world countries.  The United States exhibits a clear corporate influence over elections and legislation and, arguably, relatively little law enforcement action where large, legally well-equipped corporations are concerned.  Reports of so-called crony capitalism have appeared in the U.S. news media, but the term “corruption” has been avoided, along with discussion of fundamental reforms.

A cursory examination of legal developments over roughly the past decade evidences a pattern in which U.S. federal law systematically favors the largest financial institutions, as well as a paradigm in which financial institutions heavily influence both the regulations that putatively govern their activities and the laws that apply to consumers of their products and services.  The financial crisis that began in 2008 and the subsequent response of the federal government appear to follow logically from prior legislative events:

  1. 1999 Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB).  The Act repealed key provisions of the Banking Act of 1933, commonly known as the Glass–Steagall Act.  In the aftermath of the Great Depression, the Glass–Steagall Act prevented depository institutions from engaging in high risk financial speculation.
  2. 2000 The Commodity Futures Modernization Act (CFMA).  The Act deregulated over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives, such as credit default swaps, referred to by Warren Buffett as “financial weapons of mass destruction.”  OTC derivatives were at the heart of the financial crisis that began in 2008 and are the root cause of the “too big to fail” doctrine.  The Act preempted state gaming laws that had prevented banks from speculating in OTC derivatives with no connection to underlying assets.
  3. 2001 USA PATRIOT Act.  The financial provisions of the Act allow banks to collect additional financial information about account holders, for example, linking business accounts to the personal financial records of business owners, thus weakening both financial privacy and the corporate veil.  The Act enhances the ability of creditors to collect and allows federal authorities to monitor financial transactions and to obtain financial records without a subpoena.
  4. 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (BAPCPA).  The Act, which was sponsored by banks and credit card companies, effectively eliminated the concept of a “fresh start” by allowing banks and credit card companies to engage in collections activities, in effect, forever.  As a result, small business owners who end in bankruptcy are less likely to ever start another business.  The Act places banks in front of bankruptcy courts, creates liabilities for bankruptcy attorneys and contains many widely criticized, anti-consumer provisions.
  5. 2008 Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.  The Act, commonly referred to as a “bank bailout,” authorized the United States Secretary of the Treasury to spend $700 billion to purchase distressed assets, especially mortgage-backed securities (MBS).  Instead, the funds were given to foreign and domestic banks to offset their risky MBS, OTC derivatives and other losses.  The bank bailout set a precedent of socializing losses but keeping gains private.  The Act effectively bound the fate of the U.S. Treasury to that of the largest U.S. financial institutions.
  6. 2010 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.  The Supreme Court of the United States held that corporate funding of independent political broadcasts in candidate elections cannot be limited under the First Amendment, overruling prior case law and guaranteeing the ability of corporations to influence elections without meaningful restrictions.  The Court’s decision gave carte blanche to corporations to influence elections, legitimized the interdependence of elected officials and large corporations and created a precedent under which the rights of corporations supersede those of citizens.
  7. 2010 The Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.  The Act failed to restore critical provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act, significantly regulate OTC derivatives, break up “too big to fail” banks, prevent another financial crisis and prevent further bailouts.  The Act created a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, but did not repeal any provision of BAPCPA or restore the financial privacy of U.S. citizens removed by the USA PATRIOT Act.  The Act failed to provide adequate funding to the government’s watchdogs, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), potentially hobbling enforcement.  The Act has also been criticized for the burden it places on smaller competitors in the financial sector, which could ultimately result in an increased concentration of financial power in “too big to fail” banks.

Critics have alleged that, underlying the sub-prime mortgage meltdown that triggered the financial crisis in 2008 was rampant fraud.  Fraud has been alleged at virtually every level from the assessment of property values and credit risk; to the loans themselves and to their securitization as MBS assets; to the ratings of MBS assets as AAA; to hedging or betting against MBS assets in the OTC derivatives market (perhaps including financial firms allegedly betting against MBS assets that they themselves created and sold to clients as AAA assets).  After the crisis, a seeming pattern of fraud continued apparently unabated in the robo-signing foreclosure scandal where documents submitted to courts were falsified.  Despite an avalanche of alleged crimes under existing federal law, no firm or individual of any significance in the financial crisis has yet been prosecuted.

President Barack Obama said in October 2011 that the mortgage finance practices leading to the economic meltdown were “immoral, inappropriate and reckless … but not necessarily illegal.”  Since fraud is, in fact, illegal, critics claim that the U.S. federal government has simply failed to enforce the law.  Adding fuel to the fire, the Solyndra loan scandal could be construed to suggest corruption at high levels and the MF Global debacle could be construed as indicative of weak regulation and law enforcement and even of questionable market integrity.

In theory, selective enforcement of the law risks the creation of two sets of laws: one for big banks and corporations, and for their executives, i.e., those with connections in Washington D.C. or on Wall Street, and one for everyone else.  Among other things, failure to enforce the law could create an environment in which crime pays, but, for ordinary citizens, hard work, prudent financial decision making, saving and investing for the long term do not.

More than any other aspect of America’s progression towards 3rd world status, the federal government’s low level of law enforcement action where “too big to fail” banks are concerned is perhaps the most insidious because it raises questions of legitimacy and of the social contract.  A financial and legal system of moral hazard implies that victims face double jeopardy while they are deprived of legal recourse, i.e., those allegedly defrauded might face inflation and tax burdens stemming from preferential treatment of favored corporations or from further bailouts.

Destructive Tax Policies

In the face of rising government debt, the rapidly shrinking American middle class is the primary target of the U.S. federal government’s tax policies.  The eventual extinction of the American middle class would be a key milestone along the road to 3rd world status.  Current U.S. tax policies favor the largest corporations and this is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.  Although tax increases exacerbate economic downturns, several tax options have been or are being discussed.  However, none of them are likely to be put in place.

•    Increasing taxes on corporate profits would result in job losses in the short term and would affect dividends and share prices in the stock market.  Lower dividends or share prices would affect pension funds, including government pension funds.
•    Increasing taxes on capital gains would impact the non-tax-exempt investments of the now retiring “baby boomer” generation and would reduce capital formation thus reducing investment in new businesses or business expansion and hampering job growth.
•    Increasing payroll taxes would cause companies to downsize resulting in job losses and would have a chilling effect on hiring.
•    A Value Added Tax (VAT) is impractical in the United States because countless special taxes already exist at all levels of the supply chain.  To prevent unpredictable, disruptive consequences, implementing a VAT would require years of study and comprehensive tax reform.
•    A national sales tax is undesirable because it would overlap and interfere with already existing state sales taxes, which are highly inconsistent across states.
•    Carbon taxes remain possible but they would encumber businesses and result in job losses or reduce hiring.

Chief among the remaining possibilities is the income tax but, according to the Tax Policy center at the Urban Institute, Brookings Institution, 46% of American households will pay no federal income tax in 2011.  The reasons include income tax exemptions for subsistence level income, dependents and nontaxable tax expenditures for senior citizens and low-income working families with children.

Assuming that big banks, multinational corporations and the wealthiest 1% of Americans remain off limits in terms of tax policy, the range of income taxed is likely to widen from the current tax on households earning more than $250,000 per year to progressively lower income levels.  In fact, the government’s intended revenue source is precisely what remains of the once much larger middle class: professionals, small business owners and dual income families in urban areas, etc.  These are the households that have managed to stay ahead of inflation, declining real wages and falling household incomes.

Among other things, U.S. tax policies will erode capital formation within the remnants of the middle class, which is the engine of small business creation and the source of most American jobs.  The eventual result will be a three-tier socioeconomic structure consisting of a super rich wealthy class, a much poorer working class and a massive, politically and financially disenfranchised underclass, similar to that of a 3rd world country.

Via Dolorosa

The United States increasingly resembles a 3rd world country in terms of unemployment, lack of economic opportunity, falling wages, growing poverty and concentration of wealth, government debt, corporate influence over government and weakening rule of law.  Federal Reserve monetary policies and federal government economic, regulatory and tax policies seem to favor the largest banks and corporations over the interests of small businesses or of the general population.  The potential elimination of the middle class could reshape the socioeconomic strata of American society in the image of a 3rd world country.  It seems only a matter of time before the devolution of the United States becomes more visible.  As the U.S. economy continues to decline, public health, nutrition and education, as well as the country’s infrastructure, will visibly deteriorate.  There is little evidence of political will or leadership for fundamental reforms.  All other things being equal, the U.S. will become a post industrial neo-3rd-world country by 2032.

 

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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:27 | 1940750 slewie the pi-rat
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try to protect yourselves, BiCheZ!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:50 | 1940797 trav7777
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the more 3rd worlders we import, the more 3rd worldlike we become.  It's really as simple as that.

We have 25% of our population as 3rd world stock, we train our army docs in cities containing concentrations of these people in order that they can acquire training on gunshot and similar trauma wounds.

In integrated cities, they commit 90+% of the violent crime.   And we have a desert nomad war tribe controlling the media and finance.  Sounds like a recipe for success to me!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:03 | 1940813 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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And we have a desert nomad war tribe controlling the media and finance.

Can we always refer to them as such?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:38 | 1940898 wanklord
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Why it is imperative to have a massive immigration into the United States now:

Ordinary Americans -primordially the ones of European ancestry- are the offspring failed generations. In fact, the states involved in eugenics during the first decades of the twentieth century did not strictly enforce the sterilization laws on those people (low IQs, retards, deformed individuals, disease carriers, imbeciles, etc). Their ancestors were labeled as undesirables in Europe and expelled from their native countries.

Consequently, the following generations are the best evidence that defective genes have been transmitted from one breed to the next and worst of all, the chances that their descendants’ DNA carrying a more complex sequence of these mutated genes are 100% guaranteed – they can be confirmed by performing scientific tests (i.e. bizarre mutations that will make these individuals being categorized as subhumans).

Besides that, never forget the following:

“It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…Three generations of imbeciles are enough.” Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927)

 

Therefore, the only way to sustain this unproductive generation of Americans (approximately 80% of the entire population of the United States) is by allowing a massive immigration of people from elsewhere in order to be assimilated into the system, so government can heavily tax these newcomers. America will need more than a hundred million foreigners to help paying the astronomical costs related to the care of these subhumans.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:45 | 1940907 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Genes are strongest when they are combined with a variety.

Look at Halle Berry

She has many different types of genes in her blood.

Compare to the Rotheschildes; inbreds; dumb, evil fuckers.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:51 | 1940919 Freddie
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She is an ugly skank who cannot act.  Get clue dumb-bass.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:08 | 1940948 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Ugly?  Bwhahaha! 

Yer gay

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:24 | 1940974 caerus
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i'm going to have to agree with mr lennon hendrix on this one...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:23 | 1941280 Oh regional Indian
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If the survival of the US devolves to Halle Berry in 7 responses, surely the end or third worldness is near, yes? 

ORI

/the-plan/

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:28 | 1941282 Green Leader
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Well before 2032, ORI, well before.

It's like a disease: I lived in Toledo Ohio for around two years. The place is a dump. As things get worse, everywhere is going to look like the 'rust belt'.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:46 | 1941531 Spastica Rex
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Yes.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:02 | 1941563 Paul Bogdanich
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The only qualm I have with this whole set of articles is how the US "will become" a third world country.  Like we are not there already.  Anyone who ever travels to Europe already knows we are a third world country with respect to living standards and health care and things like that.  Oh sure the roads will get worse over time but that's about it.   

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:07 | 1941573 duo
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I guess you've never been to the Paris suburbs (where the police are afraid to go).  That is scary.

The bottom 85% of the US makes less than the average person in Slovakia.  The "will become" part is that presently, the 1% can still walk among us.  When we reach true 3rd world status, the 1% will travel in armored cars between houses surrounded by razor wire, and the police won't help the 99% no matter how much you bribe them.

Look to South Africa for a glimpse of the future.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:39 | 1941636 Are you kidding
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S.A. became black.  That won't happen here.  I believe the exact opposite would happen IF we have a complete breakdown.  Welfare will end, local leaders will arouse a sense of community and we'll go on as an agrarian society.  I don't know WHAT the inner city poor are going to do...but they won't make it far from the cities. 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 11:58 | 1943880 trav7777
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certain cities are already planning ahead and gentrifying the bejeezus out of themselves.  consequently, crime trends show a move of activity into various suburbs, for example PG County in Maryland as DC redevelops itself.  A loss of black majority in that city will prove a major turning point if it can be achieved.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 21:44 | 1942744 Bringin It
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duo - Are you American?  re. Paris suburbs where the police are afraid to go.  Large stretches of urban America are off limits to the police, unless they arrive en mass and armed to the teeth.  Ditto for parts of rural America.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 10:12 | 1943647 Are you kidding
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Completely different circumstances though...be honest...the rural folks just want to be (and demand to be) left alone.  They don't cost anyone anything...the inner citry however...it's a fucking money pit.  We pour trillions into these "people".  For what?  To be villified, blamed, called names?  I say fuck them.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:12 | 1941581 Spastica Rex
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Roads will get worse but BMW SUVs will get bigger and more rugged.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:22 | 1941599 boiltherich
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Hey all of you dumbshit motherfuckers who think Freddie is a stupid jerk and his uncalled for statements about the beautiful Ms. Halle Barry were totally out of line, I agree with you but why do you then have to make yourselves look as juvenile and adolescent and flat out backwoods ignorant by trying to demean him as "gay."  You really need to grow up you know that?  All of you.  Freddie is a dipshit sure but when you use the word gay which represents MILLIONS and tens of millions of really good people in the pejorative light by comparing that skank of a person to us it is just the same as someone calling you a filthy breeder.  When you do this you expose yourself as no better than Freddie or even the worst Nazi troll the boards ever saw.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:56 | 1941674 buyingsterling
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Get over yourself. This society sucks up to gays, big time. Or maybe it makes sense that there are anti-smoking billboards everywhere, while the vastly more dangerous homosexual activity is celebrated, and never warned against, except by 'bigots'. If it weren't a favored and protected lifestyle, the public would know more about STDs, rampant drug use, hundreds of sexual partners (on average, I'm sure you're really committed to your lover(s)), higher rates of sexual, physical and emotional abuse (especially among lesbians - WTF?) and _a significantly shorter life span_.

What other behavior/lifestyle that reduces lifespans by years is celebrated by society? Gang banging, I guess. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 05:11 | 1943438 Shirley Wilfahrt
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You would be a lot easier to understand if you took that dick out of your mouth.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:00 | 1943885 trav7777
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yes, those hate facts are a bit too much to bear, ain't they?  You really cannot respond with anything other than an insult to them.

Every single thing he said was TRUE.  It is the literal, factual truth as anyone who's investigated gay health and lifestyle issues will attest.

But the MSM tells the truth, of course; they relentlessly pound how being gay is just as simple as flipping a switch.  Same nuclear family, same as you.  Everyone is the same, that's what the MSM says.  And of course this is one of the areas they tell the truth in, while they like 100% of the time on everything you DON'T want to believe.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:04 | 1941868 mtomato2
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...methinks he protesteth too much...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:29 | 1942132 boiltherich
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I think I do not protest enough, time for you all to understand that when you fuck with one part of the population you dispense with the sanctity of your own rights.  Idiots!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:07 | 1942216 Glass Steagall
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Ur a gay fag.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:35 | 1940982 trav7777
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yes, because we can establish trends with only ONE datapoint.

Halle can't act, so what if she's decent looking, she's fuckin 3/4 white

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:40 | 1940994 Vic Vinegar
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Would you fuck that datapoint or not?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:37 | 1941066 AldousHuxley
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No. She is manish with that short hairdo IMO. It would be like doing Prince...some asexual being.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:29 | 1941185 Sokhmate
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There is no such things as Prince. Were you referring to this http://www.adrians.co.uk/acatalog/PRINCEBOX1.jpg

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:52 | 1941312 mendolover
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Not with that rack!  IMO

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:28 | 1941614 boiltherich
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You are all pigs you know that?  I bet not one of you ever had a girlfriend that did not have an air valve in her lower back.  I have seen some major asshole mistreatment of women by dudes with tiny dicks and poor upbringing but you shock me that you are willing to post your misogyny on a public forum.  I thought you all were just ignorant or ill mannered above, but after reading the posts above I have come to the conclusion you need serious counseling.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:01 | 1941682 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Puritan

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 21:52 | 1942755 Bringin It
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Agreed.  PC is a control mechanism.  I prefer freedom.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:02 | 1941683 buyingsterling
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If you think the posts here show mental illness let me suggest you look in the mirror. Is anyone else reading this and thinking these people zre mentally ill? Did anyone mention that gays seem to be more likely, on average, to be control freaks? Maybe this is some evidence of that.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:05 | 1941872 mtomato2
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Lighten up, Francis...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:45 | 1942016 falun bong
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Ooh, can I get counseled by this woman? She's my favorite....

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ursula+andress&hl=en&client=firefox-a&...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:55 | 1942039 RafterManFMJ
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You are all pigs you know that?  I bet not one of you ever had a girlfriend that did not have an air valve in her lower back.  I have seen some major asshole mistreatment of women by dudes with tiny dicks and poor upbringing but you shock me that you are willing to post your misogyny on a public forum.  I thought you all were just ignorant or ill mannered above, but after reading the posts above I have come to the conclusion you need serious counseling.

 

Woot woot woot! Ignorant White Knight Alert!  My hilarity at your ignorance knows no bounds - hey pal wrap your limp mind around The Red Queen by Matt Ridley or start reading http://heartiste.wordpress.com/ to get you up to speed; your feckless dickless gutless mindless slobbering support of what you think a pussy wants to hear is, frankly, hilarious.  I predict grinding celbicy for you, followed by a short marriage to a cow who first cuckolds you, then divorces you.

This assumes you are male. If you are female, hey, way to talk your book. Kudos.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:10 | 1943918 trav7777
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lol that blog is hilarious; sounds like shit I say hahahahaha

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:09 | 1942915 Mudduckk
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Oh....the air valve is in her back. I'd been looking all over her front side for it. Thank you so much boil ;-p

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:40 | 1940995 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I know it wasn't the best example.  But genetic diversity does create stronger genes, whether it is someone with many European genes, or with some of this and some of that.....

We know we shouldn't marry our cousins, at least.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:29 | 1941285 trav7777
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uh, just like a mule is stronger than a horse and donkey, huh?

Look, you really should avoid trying to make general applicability of things that maybe you think you heard somewhere.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:43 | 1941369 tmosley
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Mulattoes aren't humanzees, fucking idiot.

How much more of your stupidity must you subject us to?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:21 | 1941495 trav7777
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they might not be, but you sure as shit are

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 19:08 | 1945057 akak
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Stormfront Bitchez!

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:25 | 1941404 Are you kidding
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Diversity with GOOD genes is what you desire.  Just like with cattle...you want to two BEST specimines...not the two worst.  In our modern societies...we're having the "two worst" specimines doing all the breeding.  Our "finest stock" isn't reproducing...apparently not wanting to bring a child into a world of filth created by the exponential breeding of the bottom feeders.  Get it?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:39 | 1941435 i-dog
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Your point explained (with sounds and pictures, for the bottom feeders with reading difficulties): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:39 | 1941439 FeralSerf
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Wealthy people don't need a lot of children to support them in their old age.  The poor, especially those without an economic safety net or pension, do.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:49 | 1941537 topcallingtroll
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The poor have an economic safety net now called social security and medicare along with HUD and foodstamps.

People who cannot take care of themselves and their children should be sterilized. Our system which promotes the breeding of people who will never be anything but wards of the state is pushing us toward disaster.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:31 | 1941618 FeralSerf
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That economic safety net is getting less safe every day.  It won't be very long before the SS benefits are substantially worthless from the effects of inflation.  The govt's inflation figures, which SS increases are bases on, are lies.

Medicare in its current form is a stealth wealth transfer program to take pension money that has been earned by the proles through payroll taxes and withholding and transfer it mostly to a bunch of crooked politicians, lobbyists, lawyers, bankers, big pharma and AMA members.  America has the most expensive, by far, health care system in the world, but it ranks poor in quality compared to most other industrialized countries.

Would you like some bureaucrat deciding whether you are to be sterilized because you're not fit to have children in his opinion?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:17 | 1941709 buyingsterling
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Amen. Sterilization isn't the answer unless it's consensual/bribed - I'll have no part of a society which might tell my kids they can't have kids, based on some statute (read: bureaucratic whim). The answer is an end to public support for irresponsible behavior at all levels, top to bottom. Everyone getting baby money now should have their benefits slowly reduced over a number of years, with no new members being accepted (give 8 months warning, to be fair). If the states want to have massive welfare programs to support people who do nothing but screw and eat, that's their business.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:03 | 1941686 saiybat
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Who is a trained chimp to call anybody a useless eater?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:43 | 1941641 FeralSerf
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<<Just like with cattle...you want to two BEST specimines...not the two worst. >>

Exactly!  When you're breeding livestock -- and breeding proles is a form of that -- one needs to select the most desireable traits for one's breeding stock.  The rest of one's livestock can be sterilized, like bulls that are not suitable for breeding are made into steers.

Flock owners need to be in control of their flock's reproduction cycles if they're to prosper.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:55 | 1941670 Are you kidding
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Good fucking point!  How easily I'm brought back into their fold...must look away...  They don't want what "I" want...they want what THEY want.  I knew that in the back of my head...momentary insanity...thank you for the reviving slap.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:35 | 1941433 FeralSerf
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Jews marry their first cousins and even their nieces, which is even closer genetically, and they're God's Chosen People.  How does that compute?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:52 | 1941545 topcallingtroll
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I didnt choose them.

That must be one fucked up god that chose them as his people, a people that praise genocide, from Jericho to the present.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:36 | 1941517 LongBallsShortBrains
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:53 | 1941015 caerus
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well she does the best she can with what she has i think...better than bankers...and more fun to watch

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:42 | 1941491 High Plains Drifter
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i think she is still smokin hot even after child birth........and her age...........she still has it ..........

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:59 | 1940933 Oppressed In Ca...
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Didn't the Nazis claim they were genetically superior as well?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:08 | 1940949 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Darwin was a douchebag

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:44 | 1941372 Calmyourself
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I find the political and moral aspects of Nazism repugnant in every sense.  However, there is no denying what they accomplished in holding off the worlds might as long as they did while developing icbm's, functional jet fighters ....

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:16 | 1941406 Are you kidding
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Just like ANY game...if the other players agree to gang up on you...even if you are the superior player...you lose.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:31 | 1941621 Kali
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:20 | 1941494 High Plains Drifter
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well that is what we have been told in our government history books.   so frankly i am going to have to say at this time. who really knows for sure. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:23 | 1941498 trav7777
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well, not exactly...this is the history written in books published by desert nomad war tribe owned publishing companies.

The more I think about it, the more I'm left to suspect that they might have a bias toward self-serving renditions of events.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:46 | 1941533 High Plains Drifter
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yes the year is 2011. and yet many still talk about nazis and hitler till this very day.  in the documentary "defamation" by the israeli , yoav shamir, he ask the question to many in israhole, why is it , that not a day goes by that the terms nazi and holocaust etc are discussed in their national newspapers over there?  hmmm...the same thing goes on here. nazis and holocaust, nazis and holocaust, nazis and holocaust......

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:28 | 1941612 algol_dog
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How nice that you are able to trivialize and ponder the validity of mans atrocity's perpetrated against one another, all from the convenience and safety of a nice comfortable perch, no doubt in a pair of jammies and a bag a chips by your sides. Yes, this stuff can all be neatly and efficiently tided up and put in away in the storage files of your minds, available to break out at any time you wish to engage in your degenerate machinations and musings of lunacy. Too bad you weren't the ones who had to march through the concentration camps, to see, hear, smell and feel the burning stench and sufferings laid before. I say, don't feel so safe for you may all be able see the goings of what man is capable of doing even in this modern day. Check this out and see what lurks in the hearts of man ... All men ~

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p004t230/Heart_And_Soul_Bosnias_War...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:39 | 1941637 smiler03
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No.

You're thinking of the Aryan race, which not all Nazis were.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:49 | 1940914 quasimodo
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Good Gawd old man--give it a fucking rest already

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:51 | 1940917 Dr. No
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Your argument is for the continuation of the system.  You promote an influx  productive immigrants so as the they can be taxed.  Taxes support the system.  The system needs to be starved.  No more taxes.  Let the default occur and rebuilding started.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:48 | 1941452 FeralSerf
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When the wolves are also the flock owners and sheepherders, they will make sure that the system continues to feed them.  If there's any starving to be done, it will be the sheep that do that.

It's amazing that so many otherwise intelligent people can't grasp the concept that the proletariat is no longer in control of the political process (if it ever was).  The ones that are in control will make sure that they don't have to pay to support the system.  They are, after all, the beneficiaries of the taxpayer largess.  The workers will be the ones that pay and continue to pay or they and their families will starve literally to death.

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:08 | 1940947 Freddie
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Sad they missed you when the eugenicists were thinning the herd.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:05 | 1941472 Flakmeister
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Hey, if the shoe fits....

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 04:14 | 1941153 economics1996
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Read the Bell Curve.  Ignorance is not cool.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:52 | 1941459 FeralSerf
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So that's the problem -- ignorance is hot.  This answers a lot of questions concerning why Americans watch the flat screen so much and are so stupid.

I should have guessed by now.  The most popular guys in college were the athletes, not the rocket scientists.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:43 | 1941530 LongBallsShortBrains
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"..... This answers a lot of questions concerning why Americans watch the flat screen so much and are so stupid."

Well I couldn't determine if you are implying that ignorant people watch tv or that watching tv makes you ignorant. Maybe it's both.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:11 | 1941175 knowless
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I would be viewed by the majority as unfit to exist, but i would love for you to watch me work, then you might understand where we stand.

 

all of life is a dance and a prayer.

 

those of warlike tendency, know this.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:59 | 1941322 Bicycle Repairman
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The USA does not prize the intelligent in the middle class.  They ask too many questions.  They prize the imbeciles.  They make better soldiers.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:24 | 1941348 WhiteNight123129
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My dear, my family counts a few Phd in Physics, my cousin is a dean of department of Mathematics in France, for my part I got a prize for the best students top 4 in Geography in the same country. My great grand father was a "terrorist" as he resisted fascist ideology of yours (he had nothing to gain, and everything to lose as being not jewish) and was weighing 110 pounds when he left jail back in 1944. I lived for a while in the US and left from the US because of crazy nuts and fascist ideology back in 2003. Fuck you, you lost all sense of humanity to your people (I am not American), that is what is sinking your country, you can go to hell, as long as people like you are allowed to speak you will see reverse immigration. Einstein was a good man who loved Violin and a he wrote a very good musicology book about Mozart (an authorative one actually), so he was an extremely bright man AND a sensitive man, if he was met by psychopats like you I  am not sure he would have decided to settle in the US. You are dangerously unintelligent as you do not understand that, people with above average intellectual capacities understand that their abilities are the result of randomness (and work on it is the only way they can be thankfull for it), but what if this randomness would have made idiots? They would have died? I have no problem having you being limited and being somewhat "variable blind" but you have to realize the psycopathic aspects of your argument, being an imbecile is not your fault or anyone's fault, but when it is dangerous it becomes a problem. Please reconsider the problem and try to think about the inability to attrack bright people if you propagate such ideas. Germany had an absolute massive brain drain by just propagating this type of ideas.

 

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:44 | 1941371 Sean7k
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Thanks.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:23 | 1941499 High Plains Drifter
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feel better now.  you don't know much about einstein do you?  

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:14 | 1942099 ltsgt1
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"I lived for a while in the US and left from the US because of crazy nuts and fascist ideology back in 2003"

 

Good riddance. I hope you are as tough as you grand father to defend yourself from the Islamic fascists.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:31 | 1941287 Green Leader
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The Khazars are not a "desert nomad war tribe". They are most definitely a war tribe and very good at that, though.

The tribe they are posing as is a tribe of farmers and navigators.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:39 | 1941523 High Plains Drifter
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i was a history major in college and i never even heard of a land called khazaria until several years ago.  the best research book on the subject is (imho)   "history of the jewish khazars"  by dunlop.  this book probably served as research and plagiarizing material for arthur koestler. after reading this book , i was left with as many questions as i had answers.  the history of this country is lost in the annals of the past which i find weird since it , at one time, was a very strong and important country in the area of the caspian sea, which used to be called the khazarian sea.   i believe that the chechnyan people are direct decendants of the khazars for example.  the khazarian order of battle was simple.  either win or don't come home.......

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:32 | 1942275 Green Leader
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Check out this article on the impostors:

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/07/brief-history-of-khazars-in-goldene.html

The modern state of Israel is an illegitimate and impostor Ashkenazi-Edomite regime, a Rothschild fiefdom.

I come from a family of farmers and navigators. I am a farmer and a navigator. My descendants shall be farmers and navigators.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 18:12 | 1942353 bankruptcylawyer
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let's just face it, racism IS the solution to our problem . let's see how well racism worked for germany, they killed everyone and now they are still in debt to their eye balls. 

 

surely if we resort to blaming racial groups instead of the actual individual perpetrators of the debt bubble in the united states-----some of whom can be conviently placed in and identified as members of these groups----then we will solve the problem. 

 

racists are not useful idiots, they are simply dangerous bed fellows that will turn around and wack the progressives once they are done using them. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:24 | 1940847 BigDuke6
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What you refer to is detailed by the leftist ideology that has been adopted to destroy europe first and america second.

Apologise for CIA/mossad wiki ref

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_school

not mentioned directly in wiki naturally but on study you can see their plans for the future - 
the (Frankfurt) School recommended (among other things):


1. The creation of racism offences.

2. Continual change to create confusion

3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children

4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority

5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.

6. The promotion of excessive drinking

7. Emptying of churches

8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime

9. Dependency on the state or state benefits

10. Control and dumbing down of media

11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Sound familiar?  It's been planned all along and europe is well advanced.

10 years before open balkan style warfare there.

USA has a better outlook but those NY libs will get u there

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:31 | 1940886 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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So I agree with everything, but there is one thing, and it is contingent....

America is not connected via pipelines to large oil reserves.

Yes, oil production is increasing in Canada and America in the last few years, but productivity peaked decades ago, and fracking is about to be put on hold by the EPA. 

So Europe, Europe is connected via landmass to Russia and the ME.  Maybe Russia flips them the bird, maybe so does the ME, but still, landmass is better than two very large oceans.

Europe and America are on equal footing in my book, and both are at the tipping point.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:50 | 1940909 BigDuke6
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I dont see them doing much about fracking, the gas must flow, whats your source on the EPA?

Landmass is europes downfall , they r deluged with fast breeding islamics.

Race is nothing, culture is everything.

Most common boys name in england for last 2 years, and forever more now - Mohammed.

6kg baby -  mums 13th ,   born in germany - called JIHAD!

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/mp/12127212/six-kilo-baby-born-i...

you couldn't make it up.  

in the usa u pay less for gas than any western country so i dont think thats gonna bring the house down

:p

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:58 | 1940930 caerus
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#6 doesn't sound so bad

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:05 | 1940942 BigDuke6
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It worked on me...

those goddam frankenfurter marxists have given me brewers droop again baby!

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:09 | 1940952 caerus
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i love this passage from plutarch...

at suppers, he would throw dice for the choice of portions; and if he lost, he would say it was not right, since venus was unwilling.

at first, also, he would drink once after supper and then leave the table; but as time went on he would allow himself to drink very generously, so that he often tarried at his wine till early morning.

his friends used to say that the cause of this was his civic and public activities; he was occupied with these all day, and so prevented from literary pursuits, wherefore he would hold intercourse with the philosophers at night and over the cups.

for this reason, too, when a certain memmius remarked in company that cato spent his entire nights in drinking, cicero answered him by saying: "thou shouldst add that he spends his entire days in throwing dice."

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:43 | 1941077 AldousHuxley
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dependence on state??? the state is the one who is dependent on those who are productive.

 

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 03:04 | 1941101 caerus
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well i'd still rather drink with cato...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:19 | 1940965 BigDuke6
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hmmm, interesting.

Hey this is a great moment , we have several of the biggest stoners on ZH all here at the same time.  

We should all spark one up.  i am as we speak.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:27 | 1940973 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I haven't been able to smoke in quite a long time.  It would be out of character (speaking not as LH).  Spark one for me.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:30 | 1940979 BigDuke6
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i'm winding down too.  Responsibilities.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:38 | 1941635 no life
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Medicinal purposes...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:27 | 1940977 caerus
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puff puff pass...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:28 | 1940978 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Snoop?  Snoop??

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:28 | 1941055 DavidPierre
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:34 | 1941059 caerus
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optima petamus!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:46 | 1941373 tmosley
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Decline also peaked more recently.  Production is has been rising for the last ten years.

But then, no such thing as new technology, so I must just be imagining it.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:49 | 1941454 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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New technology will speed up production, but it will also deplete resources at a faster rate, bringing the peak sooner and making the decline much steeper.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:17 | 1941490 FeralSerf
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That's not necessarily true.  For example, new technology in fuel delivery systems has reduced energy consumption dramatically in transport vehicles.  Much of the fleet hasn't embraced that technology yet, because it's not worth the expense of replacement.

There's lots more new energy technology to come IMO.  TPTB just need to decide when the sheep can use it and how much they'll charge for it.  There is no free market anymore.

The alleged (and mostly believed) peaks and the reality of them is very different.  This is not to suggest that resources don't peak, only that the advertised peaking curves are much different than the truth.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:43 | 1941529 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I like your point of reduced energy.  This is true:  If we can continue to develope effecient ways to use our resources, then we mitigate the problem.

My point is concerning extraction.  The better the technology, the faster the extraction, and the faster the resource base is depleted.

Its like using a straw.  If you increase the size of the straw and the force you can use the straw with, you will drink your milkshake faster.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:52 | 1940920 slewie the pi-rat
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you keep doing your selfless work on #6, Big_Duke!

i'll try my best on #9

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:10 | 1940954 BigDuke6
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my posts are a bit more lucid for now cos my kid found my @^5g and i had to chuck it out....

hurtin' man... hurtin'...  

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:13 | 1940958 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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So?  You didn't pass the dutch?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:40 | 1940992 caerus
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to the left hand side my friends...the left hand side

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:35 | 1941064 DavidPierre
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Don't Bogart That Joint!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0

Meliora tempora

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:48 | 1941305 PY-129-20
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Could you point out where such things are claimed in Adornos work? Please, I am interested. I have all of his writings at home. Maybe my memory has gotten so weak - but what you claimed here I call bullshit. I had the privilege to read most of his works.

Sorry to say this - politically I am not a leftist and I did and do not agree on some of Adornos political views. But just listening to him made me speechless. I could have listened hours and hours - it made you speechless. He was also a strict opponent of the German GDR - to claim he was a communist or even to think he would have embraced communism is almost propaganda. What he hated the most was a society that was not liberal. He was not a friend of big government. He hated the idea that a human being could be controlled by a few bureaucrats. He would not have liked the current EU. I am absolutely sure on that.

His Jewish background made him a perfect enemy of the Nazis. He left Germany in the 30s and went to England first, then to America - to join Thomas Mann in California. He worked with American scientists - sociology -and one of his main goals was to understand HOW in the world this could've happened to Germany (and Austria) - a country that had such a great cultural background (with musicians like Beethoven, Bach, Haendel, Mozart Haydn, Bruckner, Wagner, Mahler) and great philosophers like Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche.

He wanted to understand and to learn about the evil of a totalitarian society. That was his big enemy. And he was enemy of the Soviet Union and the GDR.

I respect Adorno - he was one of the most intelligent people in the 20th century. In fact - I read Kant and Hegel - and I was brought up - my family, all practical men, admired Kant of all philosophers the most. But even my father who was not a hippie student in the sixties - he was a hard working engineer with a family at home that travelled around the world for his work and was one of the most influential people in that field - a very conservative man like myself - admired Adorno.

Adorno was also attacked by his own students in the '68 protests. The very same people that today also claim that they knew Adorno. They stabbed him when he did not agree with their loud and sometimes stupid protest.

I consider myself lucky when I find the time to read his works. I've read them many times. His style is unique in Germany. He was of course not a perfect human. And there are things in his works where I do not agree with him. But even then I acknowledge the intelligence of his arguments.

I do not know of any other philosopher that was so talented in so many other areas - classical music. his understanding of literature, his thoughts about Freud and sociology. Only Schopenhauer. Kant was a man that was just interested in philosophy and did not know much about literature or the culture of his time (and I say this with the greatest respect).

So, please. I am interested.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:52 | 1941542 High Plains Drifter
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His Jewish background made him a perfect enemy of the Nazis. He left Germany in the 30s and went to England first, then to America - to join Thomas Mann in California. He worked with American scientists - sociology -and one of his main goals was to understand HOW in the world this could've happened to Germany (and Austria) - a country that had such a great cultural background (with musicians like Beethoven, Bach, Haendel, Mozart Haydn, Bruckner, Wagner, Mahler) and great philosophers like Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche.<<<<

 

ah huh, i see..............

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 18:15 | 1942358 trav7777
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to answer that you've got to ask how a financial collapse led the tribe into complete control of the entire nation.  This will require understanding where the term judenfotzen came from.

The original goal was merely expulsion and revestiture of Germany to the german people instead of foreign hands.  Ben-Gurion could have saved so many had he not played for a balfour at that time

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:04 | 1941326 my puppy for prez
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This sounds like the Tavistock Institute as well....and they are doing a mighty fine job of achieving their job, I might add!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:56 | 1941386 rwe2late
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 BigDuke6

Apparently your illogical prejudices are shared by others.

Your list of what you don't like ranging from "change", to secularism, to controlled media may be happening, but it hardly is explained as being due to a "leftist agenda". International corporate cartels,oil empire, bankster finance, shock doctrine capitalism, and war profiteering explain more and better. The upward concentration of wealth and power, the drug prohibition crime-prison industry, and labor outsourcing better explain the break-up of the "family".

Not all of what you prefer, such as "emptying of churches" or sex education is necessarily so undesirable as you portray. And most all of what you list is neither preferred, encouraged, or planned by "leftists". 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:33 | 1940892 gibbersome
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Immigrants (legal) remain the most productive segment of our population, sorry bro. If you're white and disenfranchised, get a better degree or try another country. America is not in a bubble anymore, high school education doesn't get you far, no matter where you're from.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:37 | 1940986 trav7777
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lolwat?  particular TYPES of immigrants, perhaps.  But not all immigrants.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:58 | 1941073 Max Fischer
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......the more 3rd worlders we import, the more 3rd worldlike we become.....We were the richest nation on the planet before any of this shit.......

 

Once again, you're full of white supremacy, KKK shit.  Correlation is NOT causation.  I could point to an increase in many different data points, and then erroneously link them to whatever propaganda I'm pushing. For a man of such rigid science, you never seem to back up your points with actual SCIENCE.  It's just conjecture - pure white supremacy propaganda, unsupported by anything scientific or truly quantifiable.

The Scandinavian countries have had a huge influx of Africans over past several decades (especially this last one), and they continue to rank as some of the "richest" in the world.  Per capita income in Norway has grown steadily over the past decade.....

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/norway/gdp-per-capita

......while the number of African immigrants in Norway has increased by over 150% in the same period of time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_Norway

If I were as big of an idiot as you, I'd just say, "Hey, look at the increase in Norway's per capita GDP, and look at the influx of Africans. Obviously, Africans are adding the the riches of Norway!"  That's essentially what you're doing, only in reverse.  

You're really just a racist, white-supremacist freak who is so desperately xenophobic that you're losing much of your prior credibility around here. Your blathering nonsense is 100% propaganda and 0% credible science.  It's no more than a third grade connect the dots game.  

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

 

 

 

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 04:16 | 1941156 dolph9
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I'm a nonwhite American who agrees alot with what trav has to say.

Do not assume that everybody who acknowledges race (or, in modern America, a "racist") is some backwoods hick.

It's funny, because the only people on the whole fucking planet, save for perhaps a few misguided Europeans or Canadians, who don't acknowledge race are American white liberals.  Everybody else on the planet recognizes it for what it is.

White liberals in this country are some of the most misguided, ill-informed people anywhere.  It's really a shame.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:21 | 1941410 bob_dabolina
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Ain't that the truth. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:13 | 1941582 High Plains Drifter
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anybody that talks about race etc is immediately branded a racist, nazi , anti semite ,etc etc , especially if they are white guys........now why is that i wonder?  hmmmm.    cui bono?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:20 | 1941931 Lord Koos
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Liberals acknowledge it, we just don't blame everyone who is not a WASP for our problems.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 04:16 | 1941157 economics1996
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You are a idiot.  The FBI has detailed records on teh third world crime wave.  Try it sometime.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 04:57 | 1941171 Max Fischer
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If you Google "Third World Crime Wave" it leads you to an anti-Jew conspiracy website and a neo-Nazi, white-supremacy site called StormFront.org. 

Personally, I think that sort of thing is for despicable PIGS.  However, I appreciate your efforts to introduce me to your world and the sort of trailer park, redneck bullshit you believe.   

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi 

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 07:54 | 1941240 Optimusprime
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So you're down with all rapes in Norway being of white women by immigrants?

 

So, who sends you here, Morris Dees?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:37 | 1941294 trav7777
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even better is the USA...where there were something like 30,000 black man/white woman rapes, and statistically...wait for it...ZERO of white men/black women.

Basically, from a raw numbers perspective that meant in an entire year, between 0 and 10 black women would have reported being raped by the evil white man, who is CONSTANTLY raping black women on television.

You wanna see what crime looks like, watch First 48...until the PC monkeys ban it

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:58 | 1941462 Max Fischer
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Your statistic only proves that white RAPISTS prefer to rape white women, rather than black women.  

Can you show me some provable statistics that black women are raped more frequently on television than white women?  Most likely, this is just another attempt to push your racist agenda. All conjecture. No real facts.

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:28 | 1941505 trav7777
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gee, so race matters?

the 2nd paragraph wasn't a claim I ever made.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:46 | 1941449 Max Fischer
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Could you please point to the part of my post where I implied that I'm ok with rape?

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Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:34 | 1941292 trav7777
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Norway's african immigration grew by 150%???  WOW, that's OVER 9000!!!!

You couldn't have tried harder to make a post-hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy.  See, the difference is that I am CORRECTLY attributing an effect to a cause.

if African immigration to Norway continues, they will destroy Norway.  As inevitably as night follows day.  You, yourself, can bear witness to it.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:57 | 1941390 Sean7k
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Nice catch Trav. Include the fact many are Somalians- hard working and not militant islamists and you can understand the result. Why people want to create some light cocoa brew of humanity, emphasizing common over variance, is beyond me. It is the simplest of arguments- from simple minds.

It is our differences that make us who we are. Further, taking an organism out of its' preferred environment and introducing it into a aggressive, often hostile one is not conducive to positive results. To attempt to ameliorate this condition is pure rationalization.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:15 | 1941484 Max Fischer
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Aren't you from Kentucky?  The American backwaters?  No shortage of simple minds in Kentucky, I can assure you of it.  The Kentucky thing sorta makes your xenophobia makes since, doesn't it?

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Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:41 | 1941527 NumberNone
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Fucking sick of this elitist attitude.  Substitute Mexico for Kentucky in your comments asshole...how are you any better than the people you are now trashing? 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:58 | 1942328 Sean7k
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Well Max,

Since you are incapable of writing a compelling response, it appears you inhabit a backwater state much worse than mine. Your ignorance of Kentucky and its' proclivities places further emphasis on your ignorance and willingness to celebrate it. 

Your use of statistics was abusive and simpleminded. You provide no defense. Moron.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:28 | 1941506 Are you kidding
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So you agree...they shouldn't go where they're not wanted.  It shows insanity...or great envy...for someone to go and live where everyone hates them.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:48 | 1941446 Max Fischer
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You fell straight into my trap.

<<<<trav7777, hanging from a tree, upside down....... in a potato sack>>>>>>>

First of all, why does population and scale matter now?  You've been barking about Iceland forever.  "Iceland isn't violent"....."Iceland doesn't have looting"....."Iceland can recover from default"..... "so why can't the United States if Iceland can"?...."It must be the lack of black people in Iceland"  

The only reason population and scale matter to you now is because it doesn't fit your racist agenda, whereas with Iceland, it does.  I don't need fancy Latin lawyer lingo for that, it's just plain hypocrisy.  If you wish to discredit my example about Africans in Norway based on their relative size, then you must also discredit all your stupid attempts to compare the economy and population of a tiny island in the North Atlantic to that of the United States.

<<<<<<<trav, swinging from my trap>>>>>>>>>>

Second, that swooshing noise is my point zipping past your head.  You're exactly right.... I WAS trying to make a post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy. OF COURSE, the 150% increase in African population has NOTHING to do with Norway's rising per capita income!  I was trying to demonstrate the LUNACY of correlation is not causation, otherwise known as the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy.  

Yet, YOU  do this repeatedly with virtually ALL your racist tripe:  the post office has many blacks working there, so that's the reason why it failed; FRE/FNM has many blacks working there, too, so obviously that's why they failed; the United States has had an influx of third-worlders, so that's why our society is weakening.  Etc.  Etc.  Etc.  

Yet, McDonald's has lots of blacks working there, and they even have a RECRUITING website (365black.com) specifically for black people, yet McDonald's is doing just fine.  But since it doesn't fit your RACIST propaganda in this instance, you just ignore it.  

YOU are the GRAND WIZARD of the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy.  

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

 

 

 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:33 | 1941512 Are you kidding
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Hey Max...how many high end restaurants are owned/run by blacks?  Fuck McD, BK, KFC...that's all shit...it's why it attracts the brownies...try again.  ANYTHING related/approved/wanted by them is shit.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:34 | 1941514 trav7777
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jesus fucking christ you are stupid.

Population and scale matters now because NOrway has a relatively insignificant amount of minorities.  I'm really surprised that you weren't smart enough to figure that out.

Yes, the 150% increase of Africans from a tiny amount to a less tiny amount had no effect on Norway's rising per-capita GDP.  Well, ok, it had a small negative effect.

"Lots"?  "Just fine"?  LOL.  Talk about muddy headed bullshit, just like your "OVER 9000!!!!!!!" statement of increase in africans in Norway.

See, over 9000 is meaningless...it's just a number.  That's why I mocked you with it.  It's something which sounds very grandiose but is utterly meaningless, like the tripe you write.

If you can't figure out why the comparison of norway's small population of african RELATIVE to the larger population is NOT relevant to the comparison of Iceland to the USA (hint: Iceland is not IN the USA), then you are just a fuckin moron and that's the long and the short of it

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:14 | 1941703 Max Fischer
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LOL

You've tried to spin this argument so desperately, that you've given yourself vertigo. You don't even know what the FUCK you're arguing, or who said what.  You're the muddy-headed clown.

I never said "OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!"

YOU SAID IT.  YOU are the only one who mentioned 9000.  Not me.  How can I possibly be expected to have a sensible debate with someone who can't even follow the conversation?

Give it up, Grand Wizard freak.  Or at least take some Dramamine before you reply.

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Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:48 | 1941797 trav7777
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we'll add "ability to read for comprehension" to your list of to-do's.

I never attributed "over 9000" to you; I said I mocked you with it.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:10 | 1942187 NumberNone
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Reading these posts has been the most fun I've had in a long time.  Trav attacked from all-sides and just bitch slaps everyone. 

The classic retorts to Trav's comments seem to just get beat up when they are thrown at someone that will absolutely not cower at the comment of being called a 'racist'.  People have been able to bully and end all arguments simply by dropping the term 'racist' on the other party.  No need to do further homework or build arguments based on facts when you can throw out one well-worn comment, hear the retort, and then drop the term 'racist' to end the argument then walk away in smug satisfaction.

This intelligence issue is one complex ball of shit.  My parents had IQ tests done on me and my brothers and sisters while we were very young.  They never told us the scores because they never wanted any one of us to feel superior or inferior because there was absolutely nothing we could do about it.  This is exactly what the PTB are doing in this area also. 

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:50 | 1942032 fuu
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"Or at least take some Dramamine before you reply."

That was actually pretty funny.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:09 | 1941331 Bicycle Repairman
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Norway has oil and that drives the GDP.  Importing scores of Africans cannot be helpful.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:02 | 1941468 Max Fischer
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You guys completely MISSED THE POINT OF MY POST!

SWOOOOSH!!

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:01 | 1941396 Calmyourself
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Checkthe rape statistics in Sweden dunce.. They imported 7th century savages and blond girls dye their hair to avoid rape. In fact I would love to send you on a nighttime walk in Malmo..  The breakdown in the fantasy of integratio nand diversity is comign and it will not be pretty..

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:47 | 1941450 tmosley
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*Implying that thier socialist policies and free money to immigrants had nothing to do with attracting the worst kind of people*

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:34 | 1941513 FeralSerf
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I've known some Scandinavian blondes that dyed their hair so they wouldn't look so ordinary.  It had nothing to do with rape prevention.

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