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The Hunt For Red Pyongyang: South Korea On Alert For Naval Attack After "Losing" 4 North Korean Subs

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Just because the imminent launch of a North Korean rocket along a trajectory which will likely force Japan to strike it down, something which Pyongyang said would be equivalent to an act of war, was not enough, it now appears that South Korea has commenced the hunt for Red Pyongyang or four, as it is now "searching for four North Korean submarines that disappeared after leaving their bases on the tense peninsula." ABC News reports that "A military source quoted in a South Korean newspaper says up to four North Korean submarines slipped out of port in recent days and have so far avoided detection. The source was also quoted as saying that Pyongyang has stepped up submarine infiltration drills as the weather has warmed." As a result, "Seoul is now on alert for a possible strike against a South Korean naval ship." This won't be the first time a North Korean sub is implicated in potential wrongdoing: "The South accuses the North of using a midget submarine to sink the corvette the Cheonan two years ago, which left 46 South Korean sailors dead."

Just more posturing, Or will Kim Jong Un force the hand of either Seoul or in a few days, Tokyo? From Al Jazeera:

Japan has completed the deployment of a land-based system of interceptor missiles in preparation for a planned North Korean rocket launch later this month.

 

The exercise was finalised in Okinawa on Thursday, days after a similar deployment was completed on Monday in Naha, the capital of Okinawa prefecture.

 

The interceptors would be ready to shoot down any parts of the rocket that veer into Japan's airspace.

 

Kunisaki, a transport ship in the Maritime Defence Force, carried the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) missile interceptors to the port on Ishigaki island to be installed facing towards the controversial rocket's planned route.

 

With the PAC-3's arrival in Ishigaki, the island closest to the area of the rocket's trajectory, interceptors are now positioned at four locations in Okinawa, including the military bases in Naha, Miyako and Chinen.

 

Mobile missile launchers, in addition to the ones in Okinawa, will be positioned in the Tokyo metropolitan area in the next few days.

Japan is not taking any chances:

Japan has raised concerns that a failed launch, or a failing stage of the rocket, could endanger Japanese lives or property.

 

In addition to the PAC-3s, anti-missile equipped destroyers will be deployed to the Pacific and East China Sea. Tokyo took the same measures in 2009 over an earlier North Korean missile launch.

 

They deployed warships with anti-missile systems, positioned patriot missile interceptors and established a system to warn residents when the rocket was approaching.

And things will just escalate from there. The US has already warned North Korea it would halt food aid the troubled country if it proceeds with the missile launch, which seemingly may provoke Korea to proceed with more nuclear tests.

Choson Sinbo, a newspaper in Japan that generally reflects North Korea's official thinking, warned that Pyongyang's moratorium on nuclear tests "can be canceled" if the US ends plans for food aid.

 

Pyongyang in February agreed to suspend operations at its Yongbyon uranium enrichment plant and impose a moratorium on long-range missile tests and nuclear tests, in return for 240,000 tonnes of US food aid.

 

Washington last week said it was suspending plans to start food deliveries in light of the imminent rocket launch.

The rocket is expected to launch in the April 12-16 interval. What happens after remains to be seen.

 

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Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:08 | 2322320 I am a Man I am...
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OT: Dennis denied parole, so Corzine is still walking around free becuzzz....

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-05/former-tyco-chief-kozlowski-is-...

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:10 | 2322323 The Alarmist
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S. Korea lost 4 Nork subs? That's gotta piss the Norks off ... I hate it when my neighbor borrows a book and loses it.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:33 | 2322361 hedgeless_horseman
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"The South accuses the North of using a midget submarine to sink the corvette the Cheonan two years ago, which left 46 South Korean sailors dead."

South Koreans need to be worried.  Those NK midget crews are BAMFs...

 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:56 | 2322444 Clay Hill
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Digging that Angela Davis 'do. FTW.

..and somebody tell bitch-tits in the back he needs a bra.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:12 | 2322487 UP Forester
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Anybody ever figure out what country manufactured that torpedo?

Last I heard, it was of German origin, and the closest country that bought them was located on the eastern edge of the Med....

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:21 | 2322518 knukles
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Ever so fucking conveniently burred under the rug.  As was the by-line that the same model is/was used by.....

....ta dah!....

South Korea

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 21:19 | 2323866 dark pools of soros
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no doubt the spoils from a Rothschild loan

Sun, 04/08/2012 - 06:47 | 2325848 Tompooz
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That reminds me of all those smuggled Patriot missile still in Finland, waiting for their serial numbers to be altered so that the origin is no longer undisputed.

What was their destination? South Korea? Or, as they were not on the ships' manifest a convenient dropoff point halfway?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:48 | 2322610 max2205
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using a midget submarine to sink the corvette "

 

My Corvette was totalled by a Korean midget years ago....coincidence....maybeeee

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 15:48 | 2323138 RafterManFMJ
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There's no way the N. Koreans want to do anything more than have a good time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJNBfBr-OGU

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:12 | 2322327 slaughterer
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The world waits until Easter to go entirely mad.    Can't wait to see my short portfolio on Monday.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:19 | 2322351 Straying from t...
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We are about to get a margin call on the dollar.  All debts come due. A dime a day will END the charade.

http://strayingfromtheflock.org/2012/04/06/a-dime-a-day-will-end-the-cha...

Change the paradigm and throw off your chains.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 15:15 | 2323020 SunnyDD
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LoL, after they lost over helf'em Viewers, De Internet is the

New MSN Now... hm... where sh'I go now?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:10 | 2322322 DormRoom
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North Korea, cray.

 

Either that or some mad generals are not properly advising the boy king.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 20:57 | 2323820 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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North Koreans have a "Jack D. Ripper"?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:13 | 2322331 a growing concern
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Damn, just put a LoJack on them.  Problem solved.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:15 | 2322343 gimli
Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:18 | 2322344 GeneMarchbanks
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Hmmmm... posturing most likely, but that rocket launch seems way too close to the Japanese for them to simply not bother.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 15:40 | 2323123 RafterManFMJ
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Yes, I hope they don't target a Japanese coastal Nuclear Power plant...can you imagine the radiation that would be released?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:18 | 2322347 The Alarmist
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Quick, somebody call Thomas Dolby! I can see this making an even better song than "One of Our Submarines."

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:18 | 2322348 SheepDog-One
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OH right we're in such good economic shape the US can afford 240,000 tonnes of food aid to 'enemies' in N Korea...how about giving it to the poor here instead?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:29 | 2322369 The Alarmist
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It's Pink Slime, dude! Would you really wish that on your fellow Americans?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:22 | 2322522 Abitdodgie
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Why would the Government give the food to its own people , that goes right against there plans which is the total distruction of the USA.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:20 | 2322350 Paul Atreides
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I wonder if the US Aircraft carrier activity has anything to do with this. Expect more rhetoric and propaganda on North Korea over the next few months, I think the failure to capture Syrian airspace may have shifted the sights off Iran and onto North Korea until after elections but no way to tell at this point.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:36 | 2322386 Gully Foyle
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Paul Atreides

The Genpop does need to be kept scared.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:05 | 2322470 Paul Atreides
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Sorry Gully, I am an aspiring geopolitical analyst.

Happy Easter Genpop!

 

 

 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:15 | 2322500 12ToothAssassin
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I think were gonna need a lot more carriers... Bullish for Military Industrial Complex! Oh wait...

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:20 | 2322353 The Big Ching-aso
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Four subs missing in starving-ass N. Korea?    Foot longs or six inchers?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:34 | 2322381 jus_lite_reading
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Limited Nuclear war = BULLISH for BIRINYI'S RULER!!

Global Nuclear war = S&P to 5,000,000,000 and ponzi bonuses for all banksters

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:10 | 2322727 Bollixed
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" Foot longs or six inchers?"

 

Q. - What's Korean and six inches long?

 A. - Nothing

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 21:00 | 2323823 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Their sloping foreheads?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2322358 john39
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bankers need distraction(s) to hide the truth of what they are up to.  War(s) will do nicely.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:23 | 2322362 mr. mirbach
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And in Amerika we search for brightly colored hard boiled eggs....

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:23 | 2322363 semperfi
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A) Yet another mis-information campaign prior to yet another false flag attack? 
B) Slow news day random news alert generator ?
C) True?
D) none of the above ?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:29 | 2322372 XitSam
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Mis-information, yes. More likely is that SK knows exactly where the subs are.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 16:14 | 2323190 ElvisDog
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What do you mean "another false flag attack"? when was the last one? If I had a dollar every time in the past three years that people were predicting an imminent false flag attack in Iraq/Iran/North Korea I would be a wealthy man.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:25 | 2322364 nameless narrator
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more tensions.  what fun.

Does anyone know where USS Enterprise is today?

 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:33 | 2322551 Gert_B_Frobe
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Last seen leaving spacedock to check on a problem with the Gorn.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:32 | 2322374 ThisIsBob
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Jeezus, they are submarines.  You are not supposed to know where they are.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 18:50 | 2323547 IrritableBowels
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And not even their own! What would be the point of having subs (SILENT SERVICE) if you were to check in with your neighbors and let them aware of your 'travel plans'?!?!

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:33 | 2322375 Hangfire
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They'll have to surface for baking soda eventually.  

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:48 | 2322614 pods
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You sell new keyboards for a living don't you?

I'll take one.

pods

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:35 | 2322385 ziggy59
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they do have stealth submarines

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:37 | 2322388 Benjamin Glutton
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The NORK have not lost 4 subs...the South, it is said, is unable to track NORK subs. That is of course the general idea.

 

there are two kinds of ships...submarines and targets.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 21:10 | 2323845 MrPalladium
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"there are two kinds of ships...submarines and targets."

BINGO!!

Our surface vessels are floating coffins in the next war. Their vaunted missile defenses can be overwhelmed by numbers, radar countermeasures, evasive manuevers etc.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:37 | 2322391 dracos_ghost
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Brack Swan!!!!!

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:44 | 2322411 a growing concern
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ROR! You're kirring me!

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:45 | 2322418 BlueCollaredOne
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Your comment reminded of the scene in "A Christmas Story" when the asians sing deck the halls.  Makes me laugh everytime...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTq20prt0K8

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:50 | 2322627 pods
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In a one horse open sreigh!

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:42 | 2322406 earleflorida
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as soon as the launch is fired, what will happen is a malfunction [same old,... the same old BS!]. bingo,... the trajectory is out of sync, or some other elaborate excuse of denial. these guys, just ain't got it down yet, period! thus the mission will be aborted. in the meantime [in-between-time ?] taking the world's npt experts eye's off the ball [?] to what's really going-on and happening behind the scenes. what's in the four [4] transport [highly enriched uranium or plutonium grade?-- the NK's like to dabble with both] subs anyway? where is their rendezvous counterpart?  who could it be?

jmo 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:43 | 2322407 onlooker
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“”And things will just escalate from there. The US has already warned North Korea it would halt food aid the troubled country if it proceeds with the missile launch, which seemingly may provoke Korea to proceed with more nuclear tests.””

 

Seems like we have seen this before. Harry Truman fired Douglas MacArthur for wanting to destroy these fiends. Now it is food and threats and begging. For those too young to know, Truman was a Democrat President that Democrats do not acknowledge because he saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American  lives by dropping “the bomb”, worded atomic at the time.

 

What we don’t know is how much food goes with the threats and begging to Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the bully du jour.

 

We do have some numbers about how much food goes to China and the exporters of many crops are happy with the big increases in price. However, any awake American in the grocery store is astounded at the ½ size cans with a 20% increase over the full size cans of 2 years ago. The cheap jeans from China last a couple of years but the trade that we make is weekly increases in food costs. The math does not work out in favor of the American citizen.

 

To make matters worse, The USDA needs to resupply the emergency food stock piles that it has depleted rather than buy hundreds of thousand of rounds of .223, .40, .38, and 12 gauge as reported in “I hate the media.com” yesterday.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 20:34 | 2323777 earleflorida
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Truman and Eisenhower were sympathetic [tolerant] to communism,... but hostile towards fascism [Mussolini] and totalitarianism [ absolute dictators/ Hitler] --- it's a shame they hadn't figured out Stalin [very strange?]. World politics is a ravenous moving target in perpetual motion, brought about through centuries of a non-movable/ unapproachable  mind-sets [dictated by environment and geography].    jmo

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 07:15 | 2324243 prole
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" Truman was a Democrat President that Democrats do not acknowledge because he saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese and American  lives by dropping “the bomb”, worded atomic at the time "

 

I just want to go on record to say that that comment is disgusting to the extreme

You are totally confused as to who are the fiends .. look in a mirror for more clarity

"The cheap jeans from China last a couple of years but the trade that we make is weekly increases in food costs. The math does not work out in favor of the American citizen. "

That comment is not evil, just idiotic. Increasing food costs to US consumers not related to minimal free market trading allowed with China re: Apparel.

Increasing US food costs entirely cause of same party who dropped Nukes on Japan (big brother your God) US grows ten times more food than US consumers could ever eat. US .gov sends most of it to Africa/N Korea/wherever the fvck for free, mandates makework "ethanol" program to waste the rest of it.

Everything you write only provides insight into the mind of a statist.


Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:46 | 2322416 firstdivision
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Did anyone try checking the bottom of the harbors where they were docked?  I doubt the screendoors were very water tight.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:47 | 2322421 silverserfer
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attack of the stinky fish face. Looks like carp boy must prove himself or receive a most dishonarable mention.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:46 | 2322423 toadold
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The Japanese canceled the Cherry Blossom veiwing festival in Tokyo because of the launch.  That is not a trivial action on their part.  The South Koreans, the Chinese, and the Japanese would like to see North Korea do self reform as opposed to having a war start.  North Korea can't take South Korea but the damage from the start of the war especially to Seoul would be "rather large" from the opening rocket and arltillery strike from the Norks even with dud rounds and counter fire. A new war would would suck money out of the economies  area and the temptation to print would be even larger.  I've got an interest in an orphange in a suburb of Seoul and another near Busan so I'm not a disinterested commenter. 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:35 | 2322554 Abitdodgie
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This is how it will play out NK will launch the ICBM with a test nuk warhead on it ( but it will be a real one ) the ICBM will go untill it malfunctions over Tokyo where it will come down and explode thus wipeing Tokyo od the map and so saving the Government of Japan the embarrasment of having to evacuate Tokyo, it will also be the black swan for the economic colapse .

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 17:52 | 2323404 hangman
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Japanese governments over reaction to N.K's satellite launch by canceling the cherry blossom and installation of all these missles everywhere is a ploy to divert Japanese people's attention from their incompetencies (I stop counting how many prime ministers they had in    the last few years) and esp. failing economy.

Japanese government, by putting all these military toys in the  hands of generation who grew-up playing war games using play-stations will be the real trigger for a not so "accidental war."  Crying out loud, anyone can look at the supposed trajectory of flight of the NK missle can see Japanese government is over reacting and telling everyone that they has an hidden agenda-whatever that maybe...

In my opinion, it is not NK who will start the war but the Japan.  The playstation game happy Japanese solders will shoot down a not so threatening NK missle that will trigger NK response against S. Korea and Japan.  US will be force to repond to NK aggression.  China will take this opportunity to attempt to reclaim Taiwan while US is preoccupied with war in Korea/Japanese theater.  Someone in the middle east will act up and Russia will be force to take sides (not on the side of the US in my opinion).

A third world war???  Bernaky's trillions won't work to revitalize the US economy and bring down the unemplyment rate (although I can't say for sure).  However, I can say for sure that WWIII will definitely bring down our umemployment rate, bring back our "industry" utilization rate back to 100%, and a chance to help EU and pound our supposed enemies back to stone ages, etc. and demand war damages so that not only we don't have to pay back them but they have to pay us.

Therefore, in my opinion, it is imperative that the major miliatary powers (japan has no real power-balls cut offed by US after the WWII) tell Japan to calm down and don't do anything stupid.  God knows, maybe Japan still has an ambition to take over Koreas and China and rest of the world, again...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 07:27 | 2324247 prole
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"God knows, maybe Japan still has an ambition to take over Koreas and China and rest of the world, again..."

Good! Let them! It should be fun to watch. My money is on the Zetas. The Justice Dept has already armed them to a sufficient degree that they should have no trouble chopping up Japanese invaders.

But seriously: This time let's not repeat mistakes of the past. Just let Japan do whatever the Hell they want and let Britain and france defend their own damn empires if they even want to. (which last time they evidently didn't)

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 23:55 | 2324045 Nukular Freedum
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Nice is she?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:54 | 2322438 azzhatter
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One time I lost my keys. I blamed Kim Jong Il

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 12:59 | 2322452 tamboo
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hmmm who gets free german submarines and presumably torpedoes as part of war reparations?

 

German Made Torpedo Sunk South Korean Cheonan

 

by way of deception thou shall make war (and big profits and slaughter for the satanic rothschild crowd and its minions).

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:13 | 2322492 kralizec
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Maybe they'll sink themselves, one can only hope.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:14 | 2322498 PrintPressPimpin
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you imperialistic Yankee bastards will pay for your insolence in the bestest koreas glorious triumphant victory with these submarines that shall rise and appeared from below a double rainbow striking fear in the hearts and minds of those on board the yankeeaircraft Carrier.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:48 | 2322616 KandiRaverHipster
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the most interesting thing here, if japan tries to shoot down the missile, would be if the Patriot system actually hits the target missile and destroys it.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:58 | 2322669 ZeroPoint
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Ruh roh. Sounds like North Korea has got some of the newer stealth technology for subs. Or this story is entirely bullshit. Either one.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:09 | 2322710 Chaos_Theory
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I’ll give Barak Obama this bit of credit…when I see him, I see a vigorous and fit man leading a nation of fatties.  Kim Jong Un is a petulant fat kid leading a nation of stunted starving and thoroughly programmed serfs.  Remember all the baying and tearing of sack-cloth over the Chonger when he died?  Do you realize there are innocent North Koreans in their version of the Gulag because they didn’t display enough emotion at the Dear Leader’s passing?  I pray there is some form of karma, be it the religious version of hell and purgatory for the evils men do, or at least some cosmic energy that causes bad shit to eventually happen to them, like one Kim Jong Un’s ex will rip his scrotum off or something.  And that the stunted and starving in NK get some damn food. 

Note for all the ZHers, nothing above is any “Mrica, F-ck Yea!” jingoism BS.  Just an observation of how bad it could get here as we centralize and glorify and deify the American version of the Dear Leader. 

(If you like funny vids, check out CollegeHumor for their Legend of Kim Jong Un cartoon)

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 08:53 | 2324314 DanDaley
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What you suggest is going to be really tricky, for what shall we do:  Applaud very loudly when Omojo slices his t-shot really bad, or not applaud because it was an unfortunate shot to the rough?  You're right, a lot of us will end up in the Omojo Gulag, one way or another.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:15 | 2322741 theprofromdover
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It sounds like either a Red October, or the Greeks have found a cheaper source for these subs they ordered from Germany just after the money ran out

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:21 | 2322751 jmc8888
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My guess is that they are on an Aegis finding mission.  Japan succumbs to British hysteria and accepts their idiocy about needing to shoot it down (the British line....that they hope others are stupid enough to fall for [for the Empire's gain]), and Japan's Ageis destroyers get attacked by N. Korean subs. 

Just a guess, but Japan is the one threatening North Korea, and is doing so with their capabilities that are mounted on ships.  The best way to take down a ship is with a sub, especially one that is vulnerable to attack while trying to shoot down the rocket. (the main flaw with Aegis)

As others have said, it is also a way for the monetarists to simulate a Chinese encounter, somewhat.   Monetarist Missile Defense Shield #2 (that doesn't work very well), covering China, because of North Korea...just like #1 covers Russia, because of Iran.   Amateur hour rationales apparently works on muppets. 

From what I've read it's the Patriot 3 (whatever the actual nomenclature designation is).

The sad thing is this is another possible WWIII trigger, one that is entirely retarded.  Even sadder is that those ships might get sunk, because of the attempt to knock it down, yet it might not succeed.  Torpedos from a sub are much more reliable than the Swiss Cheese Monetarist Missile Defense #2 system - Alpha test.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 09:13 | 2324329 Element
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I would add that torpedos immediately give away the firing sub, so unless the sub is very close before it fires (like less than 2.5 miles away), then the ship may have time to respond with a counter torpedo, or provide a networked firing solution and search location for torpedo armed aircraft.

I see a torpedo attack as virtually suicidal for the attacking sub in practice, against a modern alert navy.

It would be better to sew sea mines and get the fuck out of dodge before anything explodes.

Well, that's what I would do, if I were so inclined or were ordered to make an attack.

The potential for modern sea mine warfare has scary implications for world trade, sea control, and the euphemistic naval references to maintaining the, "sea lines of communication".

i.e. underwater fibre-optic cables and shipping bottle-necks.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:20 | 2322758 FXPortent
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I think SK need not worry, those submarines probably malfunctioned a few minutes after leaving port.

I know Russian civilian aircraft have notoriously lacking maintenance and upkeep.

 

Now, imagine a North Korean Submarine.

But, they do have a 3G network in North Korea and I heard it's better than AT&T. 

 

 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:29 | 2322813 jonjon831983
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Designed in China and mfg in North Korea. Real cheap?

Also, what's the coverage?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:58 | 2322935 dracos_ghost
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Depends on the size of the can and the length of the string.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:29 | 2322783 jonjon831983
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duplicate post

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:25 | 2322787 docmac324
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"Seoul is now on alert for a possible strike against a South Korean naval ship." 

 

Uh, Seoul is in South Korea..

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 19:27 | 2323625 smiler03
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I hate to break it to you, but you are a few slices short of being a full loaf.

(hee hee, that should REALLY confuse him!)

/pisstake

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:25 | 2322793 jonjon831983
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Hmm who designs/builds thse PAC-3s?

I can guess either way, someone is gonna win.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:27 | 2322804 jonjon831983
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How far away is the 5th fleet?

Imagine Iran is the red herring and conceivably, within 1-2 weeks redeploy from the gulf to N.Korea.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:27 | 2322806 slewie the pi-rat
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who's got the football, BiCheZ?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 20:02 | 2323704 mjcOH1
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The Kenyan.   What could go wrong

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:31 | 2322825 non_anon
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WTF are we still giving aide to this rogue nation?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:33 | 2322832 q99x2
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Probably owed more than $50,000 in back taxes.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:39 | 2322850 Mentalic
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OT:

U.S. Sees Iran in Bids to Stir Unrest in Afghanistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/world/asia/irans-efforts-to-stir-afgha...

 

It's really heartening to see that people are waking up to the bullshit propaganda that passes for news these days...

The comments to the above article are quite interesting...

 

 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:41 | 2322863 Rockfish Dave
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I am appalled by the lack of political correctness, re:

"The South accuses the North of using a midget submarine to sink the corvette the Cheonan two years ago, which left 46 South Korean sailors dead."

I believe they preffer to be reffered to as 'Little People"...

The nerve...

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 14:43 | 2322869 zerozulu
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Most probably north Korea is asked to start a war to help US elites to suck more money out of US economy. Iran is of no use.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 15:36 | 2323059 SgtSchultz
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Super cavitating torpedos are no joke as they travel so fast that subs/ships cannot react quickly enough to counter them making our ships/subs vulnerable.  Check it out - this the unclassified Soviet version, hard to find good current information about them.  Its not your fathers WWII torpedo anymore.  I understand that N Korea and Iran have them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 12:07 | 2324487 hamurobby
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Thanks Schultzee, very enlightening, especially the pods with the torpedoes in them. The subs dont have to be anwhere near the area that the torpedoes are launched from.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 15:30 | 2323083 dark pools of soros
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And the Bernake said..
'Let them eat war'

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 15:57 | 2323166 Chuck Walla
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Calling "C 12, B 13".

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 22:34 | 2323968 UP Forester
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Hey, only one at a time!

 

E7....

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 16:03 | 2323171 lolmao500
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http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/11/25/10/war-north-kore...

With an array of artillery trained on Seoul, North Korea could easily blast the glass towers of the South's booming capital for days and kill huge numbers of civilians before US and South Korean forces prevailed, experts said.

"Official Pentagon models assume it would take months to win the war at a cost approaching one million casualties or more, all told, including dead and wounded," Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, told AFP.

"And that's without nuclear weapons being used," said O'Hanlon, who wrote a book looking at the effects of a potential war.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 16:11 | 2323182 reTARD
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Where are my balls???

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 16:37 | 2323241 DFCtomm
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North Korea is making noise again. It must be time for their biannual tribute payment. We'll slip them something under the table and they'll be quiet for another six months or so.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 16:46 | 2323262 mabuhay1
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The Chonan was sunk by a North Korean manufactured torpedo, of a type that they advertise for export sales.  The torpedo in question had more than sufficient power to destroy the Corvette Chonan, when the torpedo was detonated under the keel of the ship.

Any assertations that the torpedo was of German manufacture are inane. I am not sure of the origin of the torpedo technology used it this particular torpedo type, but most of the North's technology is of either Russian or Chinese design.  Where the Russian's or Chinese stole the original designs, who knows?

http://csis.org/files/attachments/100525_AMB_Briefing-2.pdf

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2010/100520_jcmig-...

As to the deployment of the North Korean subs, they have proven to be hard to track.  The South Korean Navy made poor choices in the selection of types of vessels that they built in previous years, leaving them with a low ability to track and deal with the submarines being used by the North.  The North Korean Navy uses an effective coating of sound insulation materials on their submarines, making the tracking of said submarines extremely difficult for the South Korean Navy, due to the South's poor anti-submarine capabilities.  The South is now changing their ship building plans to deal with the threat, but it will be some time until they have the deployed assets to effectively deal with the current North Korean submarine threat.

Further study shows that the torpedo used was most likely based upon a Russian design for the basic mechanisms, but the design was modified so that it could use a different guidance system than what was originally used by the Russians.  In any case, it worked effectively.

 

 

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 17:51 | 2323392 SgtSchultz
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That is some good stuff.  Nat Geo ran a very interesting show on sub technology.  If you skip to the 15:14 mark on the clip below there is a great (but brief) review of super cavitating, supersonic, torpedos and the problems in defending against them.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7773423245958420084#

 

 

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 08:58 | 2324317 Element
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Very small quiet electric sub = correspondingly lower amplitude active sonar echo return signal.

Anechoic coating = an even smaller active sonar echo return signature

So, a very small anechoic coated sub = a stealth sub ... possibly nuclear armed.

Such small subs will be very hard to locate with active sonar buoys and dipping sonars, and will be able to get close before firing even on a naval ship.

The disadvantage is they're much slower than surface naval combatants, so would have to anticipate where a naval ship will be, then try to manoeuvre in front of where they expect it to be in order to get into a viable firing position.

i.e. they would set an ambush near a routine patrol zone (as occurred last time), or near harbours and adjoining shipping lanes.

 

Or they could simply sew sea mines which would be much safer and more survivable to deploy, as other subs and aircraft will certainly be in the area and looking for any sign of them.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 17:36 | 2323372 bugs_
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4 nork submarines and nothing for dinner

or

"its on like Donkey Kong!"

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 17:39 | 2323375 ShakaZulu
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MY FIRST POST.  I could never do better than yous guys, but I think I just found one of them in my bathtub.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 18:54 | 2323560 Born-Again Bankster
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"The US has already warned North Korea it would halt food aid the troubled country if it proceeds with the missile launch..."

 

Why the fuck are we giving them food in the first place?  Probably has to do with commodity derivatives fixing.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 00:10 | 2324064 Nukular Freedum
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Its called appeasement.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 19:10 | 2323589 CryingBear
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drop a couple of nukes. the japs came to their senses after we showed how awesome america is compared to japan and now they buy alot of our bonds.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 20:07 | 2323714 ThisIsBob
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Why is this such a BFD anyway?

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 20:34 | 2323782 rsnoble
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Yeah so? Aren't subs suppose to go underwater and disappear? What? They're never supposed to take them out for a test run? LOL.

Nevermind all the subs the US has circling Earth that have the power to blow it up 10,000+ (not an exageration) that's perfectly ok.

There is no winning a nuclear war. These fucking idiots just don't get it.  Go ahead......attack Russia and China. Watch what happens.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 05:22 | 2324204 dark pools of soros
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It's all about the footage not winning... Obama will appoint Michael Bay as Sec of Defense not Sheen

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 20:44 | 2323801 ciao
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ZH pathological again on foreign policy.   Cheonan was  An Orwellian dress up of NK as an already disenfrachised state.  Note to the propaganda estate: It hasn't happened yet even ifLee bailout v1 and he is detested still.   Why don't you check the record of ousted South Korean leaders?  Not a pretty record is it?  Even exceeds the norms of the regular US despot led client state.  You might have watched MASH hundreds of times you don't seem to remember the cowardly disgrace of the last time efforts on the peniinsular.  Americans can't even read the watered down public version of the truth report on the US's induced war of aggression on Korea (that's the whole of Korea, not just the North).  So suck it up shills, subs of every nation leave ports and get lost.  We will have nations until you can occupy or politically subjugate. Your post Marshal plan era record on that is total crap.  On foreign policy this is a site for sloppy imperial shills every bit the equal in infamy of those clipping the ticket of the financial rackets.   You've tried occupying Afghanistan, how did that go?  China must have had the occasional dangerous thought that they should let NK collapse and welcome the GI's into the killing zone.

Someone here said on ZH the other day that states no longer represent us.  The problem rather is that there aren't enough independent sovereign states and no tumultous competition in western liberal elite subjugated client states.  The leaders of the great Oxford/Harvard Fabian led campaign to extinguish alternate culture universally are determined to extinguish the metaphorical Vestal Virgins flame retained in nationhood and culture that supports polytheism and diversity and to replace it with universal atheist western liberal fascism and scoialist corporatism.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 21:00 | 2323825 ciao
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Apologies for my failure to edit and incoherence.  Latest from Oxford to warm the wealth of life expereince for future humanity. 

www.smh.com.au/world/science/final-frontier-of-climate-policy--remake-hu...

It won't be long until they recommend that life be restricted to the 1% that get to occupy their proseltysed return to the liberal fascist faith's Garden of Eden.

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 08:41 | 2324296 Element
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Ok, let's say the NORK's rocket fails, so in order to stop damage to honourable Japanese they shoot a couple of PAC3's at a re-entering object (PAC3 is only able to guide toward a target that's within the atmosphere) ...

 

QUESTION:  What if said PAC3(s) fall on multiple Jap's heads instead, due to the tendency for a Patriot warhead to make hundreds of hot falling objects out one big one?

 

And let's not for get that the PAC3(s) is coming down as well, and in scores of white-hot pieces.

 

One wonders if the Japanese have logically thought this through as this seems just a wee bit "forest-for-the-trees", sort of hyper knee-jerkish if not gratuitously melodramatic and confrontationist.

 

Who's acting more absurdly here?

 

And given the crazy talk coming from the neighbours, of course the NORKs are going to scramble their possibly nuclear-armed subs, as a deterent to an attack.

 

You can be sure the Japs and South Koreans have scrambled their subs as well, and probably before the NORKs did.

 

 

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 09:24 | 2324338 DanDaley
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Or maybe the NORKS slip into Tokyo Bay and slip the Nips a nuke.  Sayonara, Tokyo.  If they go after Seoul, why wouldn't they go after any other big prize in reach?

Sat, 04/07/2012 - 13:55 | 2324713 RacerX
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aren't we all looking for some Pyongyang?

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