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Hyperinflation Comes To Iran
Hyperinflation has struck again, this time at ground zero of the most sensitive geopolitical conflict in ages: Iran. EA WorldView reports:
An EA source reports that a relative in Tehran ordered a washing machine for 400,000 Toman (about $240) this week. When he went to the shop the next day, he was told that --- amidst the currency crisis and rising import costs --- the price was now 800,000 Toman (about $480). Another EA source says that the price of an item of software for a laptop computer has tripled from 50,000 Toman to 150,000 Toman within days.
And so the opportunity cost for the Ahmedinejad regime to preserve its status quo gradually grinds to zero, as the entire economy implodes (courtesy of a few strategic financially isolating decisions) making further escalation virtually inevitable, in a 100% replica of the US-planned Japanese escalation that led to the Pearl Harbor attack, and gave America the green light to enter the war.
Summary of McCollum's 1940 memo.
h/t L0gg0l
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Fishy. Something is off.
I'm having some trouble believing that 80 million people are having their prices triple YoY and the streets of Tehran aren't full...
They have washers & laptops?
People just have this image of Iran as a bunch of sand dunes with some tents on it and no electricity or running water, contrary to reality that Iran is the most developed country in the mid east. Do some research on it, most of Irans cities, ski resorts, etc look like the U.S.
This will hit those living on or below the poverty line the hardest, children and the elderly, the bulk of whose income (or family income) is spent on basic foodstuffs.
everyone better get ready for the next false flag terror attack. it will probably look a lot like this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/4220575/Blackjack.html
as a reminder to you all, the piece of shit NWO warned ahead of time of the staged 9/11 attacks in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WW6eoLcLI
better make your preparations
All of the Iranians I have known are good people. I don't want to hurt them.
i will get hell for saying this, but truth is truth... far more culture and civilization in Iran than the United States. and for that, they must die- NWO.
Numbers like that is definately hyperinflation. The US is experiencing kinda the same thing. Inflation is hitting everything that is valuable and we need.. Example: Food, Housing...
Oh we have deflation on TV, Radios, DVD Players, stuff that means nothing. If they raised/lower the prices people still wouldn't buy because they already have 10 of them
Inflation in the US mixed with our economy is not good at all
http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
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i'm sorry, but no. the official rate was around 11,000 rial to 1 USD last week, and then we were hearing of street prices that made the true exchange rate look closer to 17,000 to 1. 800,000 toman is 8,000,000 rial. 8,000,000 rial to $480 is still an exchange rate of 16,666 to 1.
two weeks going by, with a single inflationary event. that is bad, yes. but that is not hyperinflation.
your analysis is hyperdeflating our hyperaction
alright who is the new skank on bloomberg...she looks like a fox news broad fantasy at a brothel with her legs forced in your face ...the spanish weather girls think shes a whore...now i know you are asking , "hey smlbizman with all these positive qualities what could she have possibly done to piss you off? thanks for asking.... i just get in, beer in hand completly glued to the screen learning from the experts, especially from the seriously leggy addition in yellow,...when {que jaws music..da nant da nant..} during a little gold chat time, .....out of left field , more laughingly than ever witnessed before from a professional news person, she makes this completly derogatory and disrespectful joke about ron paul and gold in the same sentence!!!! and that is just way to far...i am going to keep watching her probably more closely and at times in slow motion to make sure she doesn't cross the line again.....
Iran has little choice at this point but to set off an atomic weapon.
And they have little chance of buying PM on the market either. If gold makes a move up at the same time as their currencie is wrecked, they are priced out. Considering gold's role on Central Banks balance sheets, that could mean Iran is out of the game.
As far as an A bomb, they can't deliver it.
How far away do you think the largest oil field is in Iraq-Quwait-Saudi Arabia etc? The bomb doesn't have to hit here. Milestones
don't worry they will just peg to the USD shortly...
They may not be able to pay cash for gold but they can always trade oil for it :)
Ranges of Iranian missiles:
Shahab-3b: 2,500km
Sajjil-1 and 2: 2,000km
Shahab-3a: 1,800km
Shahab-3: 1,300km
Shahab-2: 500km
Zelzal: up to 400km
Fateh: 170km
Tondar: 150km
A 2D or 3D single-stage HEU 'a-bomb' munition can be less than 200kg and a 2D munition can fit inside a 20 liter drum.
Don't kid yourself, they can deliver.
Expect 1 to 5 kiloton yield from that sort of device, which would be about ideal for a general purpose tactical munition.
Launch one into a major naval base via torpedo, or a major oil loading facility, or under a CNV, or on a cruise weapon, or a ballistic weapon, or use it as a limited EMP device, to raise the electromagnetic noise-floor so radars and comms and SAMs no longer function for several hours, so you can launch several at defended targets. Or you send in a 4 man spec-ops man-portable system from submarine, or HALO them in.
They could deliver in so many potential ways it would make your head spin.
lol you probably fell for the old "Iraq has WMD's and Saddam blew up the WTC" line of crap-same whine-new bottle
some people are SO easily suckered-its scary
Hardly, I bet I know a hell of a lot more about this subject than you do.
If you have a factual point or an argument to make, then make it, by all means, otherwise STFU.
Mr 6-weeks and 6-days noob
According to Panetta, they don't have any.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/09/panetta-admits-iran-not-developing...
I'm sure Panetta does not actually believe any of that.
He is trying to rationalise inciting sanctions that WILL close the strait, whilst also trying to cut the Gordian knot, before the war starts.
I read Panetta's remarks to mean the Pentagon and also politics is finally getting a clue and cold-feet, realising they are making a series of gigantic mistakes that can not be undone again if the Iranians do close the strait ... say, before the end of next week.
"i am going to keep watching her probably more closely and at times in slow motion to make sure she doesn't cross the line again....."
Watch before she crosses her leg's. There fixed it for ya.........
How many two-week periods of this can the people stand? Cause 50% inflation in biweekly periods doesn't just stop happening
I said S woult HTF after the first 50%, so I think it's game over. Just a matter of a day or two.
Dude a little above this asked why they are not rioting. Well just look up what happened to them the last time they tried (a couple years back). They were attacked by the police, Rev Guard, regime sympathizers, and non-secularists. Its not fun having acid thrown at you and getting hacked up with tools of the trade...
And BHO did all he could to support the protesters efforts.....even just a comment of general support.......oh wait, no he did nothing. Never mind.
So they have passed an NDAA as well?
Iran was raped a long time ago by the US/UK combine.
Certain facts are undeniable and temporal correlations are undeniable too.
1. Mohammad Mosaddegh or Mosaddeq (Persian: ??????? ???????, IPA: [mohæm?mæd(-e) mosæd?de?] ( listen)*), also spelled Mossadegh, Mossadeq, Mosadeck, or Musaddiq (16 June 1882 – 5 March 1967), was the Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953 until being overthrown in a coup d'état.
His administration introduced a wide range of social reforms but is most notable for its nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under Britishcontrol since 1913 through the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC/AIOC) (later British Petroleum or BP).[1]
Mosaddegh was removed from power in a coup on 19 August 1953, organised and carried out by the United States CIA at the request of the British MI6 which chose Iranian General Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Mosaddegh.[2]
Then, note this:
2. After nearly achieving agricultural self-sufficiency in the 1960s, Iran reached the point in 1979 where 65 percent of its food had to be imported. Declining productivity was blamed on the use of modern fertilizers, which had inadvertently scorched the thin Iranian soil. Unresolved land reform issues, a lack of economic incentives to raise surplus crops, and low profit ratios combined to drive increasingly large segments of the farm population into urban areas.
The 1979 Revolution sought self-sufficiency in foodstuffs as part of its overall goal of decreased economic dependence on the West. Higher government subsidies for grain and other staples and expanded short- term credit and tax exemptions for farmers complying with government quotas were intended by the new regime to promote self-sufficiency. But by early 1987, Iran was actually more dependent on agricultural imports than in the 1970s.
Coincedence? Hardly eh? Chemical Fertilizer based agriculture for Iran, force-fed through a coup.
C'mon folks, the gig was up a long time ago. Ever heard the story of the "Pefect Mint Plate" for the $100 bill that was given to Iran (Shah) for counterfeiting petrodollars. It's not tin-hat stuff, it's on some record I cannopt recall right now.
Iran is a huge dis-traction for something else. This is a four-hanede beast we a re dealing with. What is the other left hand doing? North-Korea? Oh nose, another starving millions dictatorial regime. Now we need a triage...let's see.... India:
3. Jan 10 (Reuters) - Indians may think twice before gulping down a glass of milk after the country's food safety regulator found most samples collected in a survey were either diluted or adulterated with products including fertilizer, bleach and detergent.
The study, conducted this month by the food safety and standards authority of India, found milk was adulterated with skimmed milk powder and glucose, or more shockingly hydrogen peroxide, urea and detergent.
Hydrogen peroxide is used in bleach, while urea is commonly used in fertilizer.
"Consumption of milk with detergent may cause health hazards and indicates lack of hygiene and sanitation in the milk handling," the regulator said in a report.
It's the food chain that needs some serious attention.
Not software and water-wasting god-damned washing machines.
ori
My First Ever post... ;-)
Exactly.
There is a YouTube video where a CIA man talks about how they attacked the milk/food supply in Cuba.
They would dump concrete powder in a tank truck of milk to ruin it and many other prankish bullshit tricks.
I'm sure the US is not the only country that does this anti-human crap. But as an American citizen...you need to be aware of what you are supporting. And what the government is doing in the name of "freedom".
protecting the right to uncontaminated food is ongoing, and many would do themselves a favour in paying attention to all the new "laws" and "acts" being installed, globally. . .
"contaminating" foods helps prepare the ground for the global Codex Alimentarius, a global Food RuleBook, which "they" have been pushing since the 60's, and is "normalising" the nationstate's food, globally, and also pertains to "supplements, herbs" and pretty much anything "ingested" that they would like to control and profit from (putting "vitamins" into prescription drug territory, etc.). . .
Obama Wholesale Approves Genetically Engineered Foods; Agent Orange herbicide use to expandhttp://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/
lots of behind the scenes work happens over "holidays" - this article is a a good place to start. . .
Precisely CA.
Just Google Agenda 21. See what they are doing recently to raw-milkers and vegetable gardners and lemonade selling kids......but agent orange....talk about a rhyme from a very bad tyme, coming home to roost, eh?
Agent orange, shiver and crumble me timbers...
ori
I'd google that but I don't want a bunch of DHS agents to come and whisk me away in the middle of the night. I mean, I did once fantasize about having sex with a hot Iranian chick in college but...
Hey troll, fanasize away. Any hot chick is good to go. But, I sense you never knew one, let alone touched one. LOL.......
indeed OrI, it's frightening, and incredibly sad
but it's also rather karmic, as I'm sure you'd agree.
best wishes.
edit to add:
USDA Scientist Reveals All: Glyphosate Hazards to Crops, Soils, Animals, and ConsumersMossadeg wanted to pull a nationalisation that went too far. There are better ways to get a country happy. The time of the Shah is widely remembered nostalgically by Iranians, for good reason. If he could have stomached a bit more authoritarianism the middle east, not just Iran and the iranian people, would be better off today.
You sir need to brush up your iranian history.
Heard of SAVAK?
ori
The weakest son of Muhammad Reza Shah was hired by the Anglo-US. Without his competent PM, Abbas Howeida, he was nothing but a carefully constructed PR product. I remember him appearing on TV in his last days, looking like a bookkeeper, completely out of his depth, lost without those who used to prop him up.
Because he was so weak, The SAVAK became a law onto itself with a leadership that was out to profit from the artificial threats to the homeland. "The communists" were the bogeyman of the day and domestic terror used for a "war" on them. The scum floated up.
Sounds familiar?
Yes, I'm sure many old Iranians are nostalgic for the old days. A Revolution is a terrible thing--the killings have been massive.
But that is past and Iran is now a young next generation. They must be given a chance to deal rationally with what they have inherited from the Revolution.
Unfortunately, there is one agressive, arrogant country in the ME that does not want to give them that chance.
Mosaddeq was a two bit communist who had lost the support of his own communists in the government. Yes, he was overthrown by his former supporters, to the surprise of the Brits and Americans, and without any assistance. Flakey conspirace theories about Iran are more prevelant than of the Truther bull ship.
Classic.
Another comedic talent on the rise here. Hope you're taking notes MDB.....
While sitting in his soiled diaper and drooling on himself, lame troll Augustus should have been more ashamed of the fact that he wrote:
In their own words:
CIA Clandestine Service History, "Overthrow of Premier Mossadeq of Iran, November 1952-August 1953," March 1954, by Dr. Donald Wilber
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/index.html
yup. Exactly. Pretty wild that this is all open information and yet so many are either un-aware or under-informed.
ori
Yeah, but Timmaahh is talking to Chinaaah: "keep buying USTB & USD and help US with Iran sanctions - and we'll back off pushing for Renminbi revaluation and keep buying your consumer goods..."
US REALITY is US-CHINA CO-DEPENDENCY - for how much longer...?
Till Iran is bashed and China turned fully Keynesian Empire like US...?
OR - will CHina keep buying Iranian oil - and up the dumping of USTB - AND - buy EU BONDS - which will correlate to CHina's own novel Keynes'ianism.
EU (+applicant nations) ARE TWICE THE MARKET SIZE OF US.
THUS TO CHINA EU IS TWICE AS IMPORTANT AS US.
A country like Iran that has tons of oil should not be experiencing hyperinflation.
I agree with GeneMarchbanks something is fishy.
We have seen this before, a country that doesn’t play ball suddenly has a currency crisis.
I hypothesize the currency of a small countrys curency can be contracted or expanded at the whim of the people that control the international currency through manipulation of the FX markets. But only in a fiat world.
The more money the idiot takes in, the more it spends.
Iran has been running deficits for years. They consider oil revenues as free money, available for waste. Simply look at the energy infrastructure. No investment of any kind for either refining or power generaton.
It has two countries right next door that have had pallet loads of cash flown into them over the last 10 years or so, admittedly it's USD, but surely this could have been smuggled in over this time and has been sitting in the sidelines ready to be released at a time like this?
It has two countries right next door that have had pallet loads of cash flown into them over the last 10 years or so, admittedly it's USD, but surely this could have been smuggled in over this time and has been sitting in the sidelines ready to be released at a time like this?
"Far more culture and civilization in Iran..."
They hang gays for existing, or crush them under rocks.
They beat women in the streets for showing an ankle.
Oh, yes, what a culture!
I suggest you look up Persia, Zoroastrianism, the Selucid Empire, the Sassanids, Cyrus the Great...any of these will back up the assertion that you are naysaying. The area known as Iran since the invasion of Islam is hardly representative of the cultural achievements of the Persian people. It's sort of like comparing the Maya civilization to the cultural achievements of Guatemala.
Well said Vlad. Worse yet, it's never as bad on the ground as the western sensationalist MSM make it.
ori
yup. iran could do the same to us and portray us as a bunch of christian extremists if they focused on that segment of the population.
They must die because their central bank isn't controlled by the world central bank monopoly.
Like Venezuela and North Korea.
the chicks are hot too.
EU oil sanctions are irrelevant to Iran. China is more than glad to buy out the present EU share. Less oil to sell the higher oil prices for EU and the USA.
America/Israel and their NATO puppets are trying to provoke Iran to do something stupid like Japan has done in 1941.
If instead of fucking with America, Japan would join Nazi Germany invading USSR, they and Hitler could have all the USSR with no need for dealing with America at that time. Japanese were too stupid! They got themselves into an American trap.
The same with Iran: build your fucking nukes ASAP and, as North Korea, tell to EU & Israel that they are in a range of your nukes. It takes just 1-3 nukes to wipe out Israel from the face of the Earth PERMANENTLY!
Do you think Zionists will play this game? I would like to see this.
PS
Nuking Saudy oil fields will also make them radioactive for a while...
I see you didn't read the 1940 memo Tyler posted above. Japan did not "fuck" with America. Japan had been working with America as a partner since kicked the doors in. The US made a policy, as outlined above and documented elsewhere, of antagonizing the Japanese government, sidelining the domestic Japanese peace parties, including Navy politicians, forcing the Japanese Army away from it's obsession with the Soviet Union (which the Japanese had invaded TWICE since Lenin founded it) and angling for a Japanese reaction that would bestir Congress into jumping into war in general, with the idea of make Euope the main theatre.
You need to revisit your understanding of the "Good War."
The guy may have meant that attacking Pearl Harbor was fucking with America.
i dunno if the japs were too stupid in attacking US instead of USSR, they needed raw materials for china campaign in addition:
- the japs would have had a hard time invading USSR through siberia (terrain, climate & some of russia's best troops were stationed there).
- the japs were bogged down in a land war in china. in terms of military resource allocation, another land war in asia doesn't equate to a naval war in the pacific.
- siberia & china operations would be further hampered by lack of oil, rubber etc, given no attack on US (US forcing french indochina, dutch indonesia along with brits to trade embargo japs)
- if it came to it, the US probably would have used a false flag attack as a casus belli like the germans did (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler)
i agree with vlad on the justication for european theatre however, people forget one of the main reasons for US neutrality was the fact that >40% of it's population were of german stock with only moderate levels of assimilation (german newspapers still prevalent)
american strategy was very effective though - destruction of japanese, dutch, french & british empires. the soviets giving all of the japs mainland military equipment to the maoists was the only thing that didn't go to plan.
The Gleiwitz incident was a false flag but there was a lot of actual aggression against the ethnic Germans in Poland-same thing in Czechoslovakia. Same thing in Russia also.
aha well the poles and ruskies weren't a fan of hitler's vision of turning eastern europe into the german equivalent of the american west. manifest destiny didn't work out so well for the indians.
I'm referring to the period between the World Wars where the Versailles Treaty placed various ethnic groups in other countries like putting Germans in Poland. Hitler asked Poland to join the anti-communist pact but Poland refused so Hitler made a deal with the Bolsheviks and they teamed up on Poland.
if your sense of national identity is derived from the battle of grunwald, how can you allow a bunch of teutons & prussians to live in your country? poland allying with germany is like a frog being slow cooked in a pot. germanisation of poland was always on the cards, like what happened after the fall of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation_of_Poles_during_Partitions)
The Polish Corridor wasn't the Poles' country until the Versailles Treaty. My point is it may have been better for the Poles and Germans if Poland did join the Anti-Comintern Pact, they may have been able to work something out. In fact, Pilsudski was open to an agreement with Germany but after he died the new Army rulers in Poland were played like a fiddle by the warmongers in England, France and the US-and their stupidity led to disaster!
One of these days the Poles are going to create a bogus pretext invade Germany and Russia, and royally fuck them over for a change.
/sarc
That's the thing - there was no 'instead', Japan tried to challenge USSR before the WW2, but didn't succeed, which determined them to focus efforts and resources on Pacific and Asia as challenging SU further was considered very costly after these battles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
Few in the West know, but Japan signed peace treaty with SU after defeat, which was subsequently broken by USSR after Roosevelt and Churchill pressured Stalin to open 'Eastern Front':
Many attribute surrender of Japan primarily to Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, but few realize that if not for its timely surrender, Japan could be overrun by the Soviets:
So no, japanese were not stupid at least in a sense that they didn't try to invade the USSR.
This doesn't surprise considering the world is going to SH*T!!!!!
-John
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"100% replica of the US-planned Japanese escalation that led to the Pearl Harbor attack" - My thoughts exactly.
TPTB want this war. The entire MENA region needs to be restructured in order for a one world government to be successful. Iran is like a dog being backed into a corner right now and the US is brandishing a choke chain.
The real Iran contrary to how most people think it is some sand dunes without electricity or running water. The Real Iran the US Doesnt Want You to See - YouTube
It pissesme off, my tax dollars going to bomb that...thanx for posting.
> " Another EA source says that the price of an item of software for a laptop computer has tripled from 50,000 Toman to 150,000 Toman within days."
They pay for software?
I don't even pay for software - Linux, baby!
we blew up a bunch of libya's wonderful aquaduct system for shits and giggles too...
so foreign companies could get paid to rebuild, from loans to Libya from Rothschild banks.... or better yet, so foreigners could sell water.
Nice kebobs!
If Iran has a Sansom Option like the israelis do, God help us!!!
"At about two weeks, after the beginning of the war on Iran, emergency rooms and doctors offices will begin to see a sudden spike in a number of new diseases with numerous very ill people being admitted to hospitals in North America, and Western Europe and what is left of Israel. By that time the Iranian and Syrian states will have effectively ceased to exist with insufficient manpower and organization to even bury their dead.
The many new genetically engineered viruses causing the strange diseases showing up will have been spread by sleeper agents supplied with a number of new viruses and distributed in public places (movie theaters, shopping malls, churches, etc.) quietly without anyone knowing. Humans themselves will become the vectors of the diseases/biowar agents."
http://www.rense.com/general34/esde.htm
Sanson Option links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_option
http://www.rense.com/general82/perf.htm
Ezekial 38 has a more reliable prediction. Just read this, and tell me if it doesn't sound plausible. And note the prediction of Israel being regathered in the land: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, Gog (Russia), chief prince of Meshek and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army... Persia (Iran), Cush (Sudan) and Put (Libya) will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah (Southern Russia) from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you. “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land... “‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.’ This was translated into Greek around 250 BCE. Ancient Hebrew documents of this were also found in Qumran. And this is how it will unfold.
Gog is already occupying Israel...
Israel is an illegitimate and impostor Ashkenazi-Edomite regime.
The overwhelming majority of people there are NOT Hebrews.
the real irony, the Palestinians, unlike the European Israelis, are descended from those people. So the idiots in the U.S. who claim to be christian and yet support the oppression of the Palestinian people are actually supporting exactly what they claim to spiritually oppose. who said the devil was going to play fair?
"So the idiots in the U.S. who claim to be christian and yet support the oppression of the Palestinian people are actually supporting exactly what they claim to spiritually oppose."
DING DING DING...WE HAVE A WINNER!
Are you trying to tell me that the Biblical Jews are not the same as the Modern Israeli Jews? Didn't the Biblical Jews wear the same hats/
While that crazy ass shit religion stuff really blows my mind, consider this: God is just dog spelled backwards. That's why I'm a doggist. Dogs really know how to enjoy life. Humans, not so much.
And while we're considering non-sequitors: have you ever noticed how nuns dress just like penguins?
i don't really care where you're going with this but i'd appreciate it if you'd pass the joint my way.
Pass it!
eya go...
All who believe in a prophecy assist in fulfilling it.
Micro and macro level.
I think that there is election time in Iran in March
thank you, you are right, and this is important to the storyline. . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/03/world/middleeast/boycott-by-reformers-...
here's a "choice" of media on the topic:
http://iran-election.alltop.com/
A good summary of US foreign policy maneuvering before WW2 would be George Morgenstern's Pearl Harbor-The Story of a Secret War.
"Said ex-President Herbert Hoover, Republican statesman of the day, "We have only one job to do now, and that is to defeat Japan."
But to friends, "the Chief" sent another message:"You and I know that this continuous putting pins in rattlesnakes finally got this country bit."
Today, 70 years after Pearl Harbor, a remarkable secret history, written from 1943 to 1963, has come to light. It is Hoover’s explanation of what happened before, during and after the world war that may prove yet the death knell of the West.
Edited by historian George Nash, Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath is a searing indictment of FDR and the men around him as politicians who lied prodigiously about their desire to keep America out of war, even as they took one deliberate step after another to take us into war."
http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2011/12/06/did-fdr-provoke-pearl-harbor/
Good point SheepDog. I often wonder at people who have never been anywhere and sit and slam nations they know nothing about.
I often hear Sweden slammed as a socialist hell hole. What a joke! My family is of Swedish heritage, I have many family members living there and have been there many times and speak the language. My family members are independent farmers who own their land and decide how their business is run, I have top corporate managers for big Swedish firms in the family, their businesses are capitalist and successful to the extreme. Others in the family have started small businesses, some very successfully others not so much. How do people call Sweden anti capitalist when it is rated one of the world's best place for doing business?
I don't know Iran, but from what little I get from independent media, it is NOT a third world country at all!
The only question remaining then is why the fuck you are still here in the U.S.?????? Holy shit man! You should be on the next plane outta here! If I had a farming family in Sweden I'd be building a cabin on the back forty right about now.
Living in the US is the safest haven against US citizen lust for blood.
When you move abroad, you simply put yourself to the wrong side of the fence, to the wrong side of a bombing events.
Dont drop your US citizenship too because US citizens only body US citizens holding US citizenship.
The rest,well, they are lame ducks and the hunting season never ends with the US of A.
Meanwhile China turns inward and eats away at itself.
You stand on such high moral ground, Chinaman.
Ah, that is an interesting statement true to US citizen nature.
Better to eat others than yourself.
Better to shed the bad consequences of your actions onto others than to face them. US citizenism.
Morality has little to do with wealth or poverty, even thoughbeing wealth helps to pretendyou are moral.
I am happy to admit the failings of America and work in my own way to change them.
Are you willing to do the same in your country?
You really are a proper retard, aren't you?
Firstly, I'm not US-ian.
I'm British.
Secondly, the VAST majority of our respective nations don't wish China or any bugger else any harm. Our GOVERNMENTS and CORPORATIONS and MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL complexes do.
I'm assuming you're a government shill, or at least aligned with their opinons. And guess what...
We largely agree with you on most of the arguments, idiot!
Where we don't agree with you is on how you achieve your aims;
It is NOT right to give a new-born baby a shot of potassium , just because she might breed in 15-25 years time. Anyone with enough braincells to form a functional synapse knows we have to prevent the human race from breeding without limits, cos there are limited resources and we are kicking the crap out of them at the moment.
We ALL know oil is a finite resource!
It is NOT right that any one nation should kick the crap out of any other to secure the remaining natural resources.
IF the above was discussed in an open way, globally, we would mostly take action to prevent the world population from ballooning past the approximately 15 billion people population limit, or at least at the rate it's currently heading for it!
To do that, we need the 'aid' to 3rd world countries to bypass the scumbag dictators and go directly to the people.
People who are rich are rich enough already!
WE are not the problem, our governments are!
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering
Pre-NDAA maybe.
really depends where you live. I lived over seas for a long time; it's great, was way better than in America.
The fact is that everyone outside of America hates their own country, hates us for our freedoms, wished they lived in the USA, and is is eternally bent over eagerly hoping for teh Suppository Of Freedom to be shoved up their asses.
hate us for our freedom? LOL
dude, what planet are you living in? wake up, man. you ain't free no more. not in this country!
The phrase " They hate us for our freedom" may not be uttered without showing yourself to be a fool.
Harsh words, I know. But only said with our better national interest at heart.
Try this: They hate us for our transgressions against them.
More accurate and to the point.
Consider this; How often have you hated a person for their freedom?
SARCASM ON!
SARCASM OFF!
Oh, for the love of fuck.
I do not believe that even the most jingoistic of American imperialists would utter the above statement. "Suppository Of Freedom" was a give away. WHO SAYS THAT?!?
I know at least two Americans on ZH who would puff up with pride as they uttered, "Suppository of Freedom!". Of course, they wouldn't know what that was, but that never stops some of you from your jingoistic rants. (Which, btw, is definitely becoming fewer in number. I am constantly surprised, especially by RP supporters, at how sane you lot are becoming these days).
Excuse me dickhead, Israel is the most developed country in the middle east. Iranian cities look like shit.
yeah, the west bank and gaza... looks like paradise. /s
also, think about it. Israel is the world's biggest welfare whore... how much U.S. taxpayer money ends up there directly? How much money is siphoned through the Rothschild banking system and ends up there? I hardly consider that developed....
no wonder the Jews are often more insular than a lot of other ethnic/religious groups. This kneejerk disgust at all things Jewish by so many the ZH commenters is hopefully not representitive of the larger population, but if it is, why wouldnt the Jews stick to their own?
I love this site for a lot of reasons, but the anti-semetism is really annoying.
forget the fact that the talmud teaches jews that all non jews are cattle to be used and abused by the chosen people.
forget the fact that the talmud teaches that the goy can be lied to and cheated.
you should really look into what the leaders of Israel say about the rest of the world.
Zionist jews are the most racist people in history.
you know, i was never a holocaust denier but after seeing them do to palestineans what was supposedly done to them by the nazis, i'm really starting to question.
I never doubted the holocaust and thought it was silly to do so, until someone showed me some counter evidence and I did research into the topic.
All one needs to do is to look at the mountains of counter evidence and suddenly see the lack of proper evidence and it falls away like pulling a curtain.
The holocaust as we were taught is 100% BULLSHIT.
"Hey guys people are questioning the official story, what do? Easy, pass laws making questioning illegal"
Mike,
This place is all they got. Heck, they even got kicked out of the Occupy Wall Street Protests. And don't think Tyler doesn't know he's egging them on and getting paid for it.
No Frost, this place is hardly "the only place they got". This is open forum style and one of the best on the Net that still exists. I almost never post on ZH because I think that the topics presented are thoroughly discussed here by some very educated individuals. i.e. I don't need to. With that, for your OWS comment, I would like to present you with the very first can of STFU that I have ever handed out on ZH. I do believe you have earned it and it's piss warm. Enjoy. See ya on the HuffPo.
I would think twice before getting into the anti-Semitic argument here. Most people here are very duly informed on principles of Zionism, and would eat anyone alive in such an argument. Most Jewish people I know keep really quiet, and they make damn sure to not piss people off, because the ones I know are very well educated, and want nothing to do with what is going on in Israel. I personally know a Rabbi that would burn most Zionist to the ground just for being idiots. Some Jewish people also believe the true Avalon is where your family has lived for the last few generations, not some made up State in the middle of the desert created by the machinations of worlds leaders of the early 20th century that were paying back campaign contributions to zealous banker friends of theirs in the City of London, and New York.
Oh, and also revisit the actual meaning of Semitism, Palestinians are a Semitic people, and some are Arabic, and Christians too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic
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Thank you. My disgust for Zionists and the Israeli government are on record for all to see, but I do worry about the hatred towards decent jewish folks who share the same sentiments against Israel as (almost) everyone else here. It is always worth emphasising that there are many jewish folks who abhor the Zionists in their midst and should be differentiated from them. Religion really does not matter, and we should be free to criticize unacceptable actions and behaviour of these thieving, lying, and murdering Zionists without being exposed to the faux-victim complex and tiresome Nazi-calling rhetoric that is the standard reply by these Israel-supporting nutjobs.
The insularity is ingrained in them due to their long evolution as a collectivist in-group, it wasn't reactionary. You might want to pick up a copy of Kevin MacDonald's Culture of Critique-it's a fascinating read.
Littleguy, you have it all wrong; Israel is not in the Middle East, it is in the Far East --- of the USA.
Don't you know where the 51st state is really located by now?
i agree. we should be collecting taxes from israel.
Zionism is the worlds #1 threat to a peaceful humanity.
have a look at the main Iranian cities (slide show)
Wow, you mean like Detroit? i didnt realise they were so badly off. I guess the 5th Fleet really is there to save them.
You clearly have never been to Iran. It's a third world country.
30 yrs ago, best mate at school was an Iraqi, and he said the same thing about Iraq. Sandy beach resorts in the South and Snowy mountains in the North. He always made it like a fun place to visit. 9yrs of sanctions, one invasion, and then 9 years of occupation by the Americans later, it is a shithole. A dangerous shithole.
The sanctions, if effective, are going to kill a lot of Iranians. Kids first, then the most vulnerable adults, just as it did in Iraq. I do find it surprising that inflation is biting so fast, but if the US is successful in isolating Iran, then price inflation on imported goods is inevitable. Imo, sanctions should be lifted asap to prevent the deaths of the innocent.
yes but their gulags are totaly to die for.
You mean just like the American gulags?
The country that has more people imprisoned than are imprisoned in the entire rest of the world?
shhhhhhhh! be quiet! you might wake up a perfectly brainwashed american. we can't have that.
From my calculations, which admitedly were rushed and possibly not complete, you have about 114,800 to go before you have more imprisoned than the rest of the world PUT TOGETHER. But that was BEFORE NDAA, SOPA, (Any future stoopid acronyms that mean normal people become terrorists by default) etc.
America- Fuck Yeah!!!
We're #1!!!
(/sarc, for the perennially stupid.)
look at the tehran subway and tell me we have better subways in the us.
also, there is nothing fishy about hyperinflation in iran and no one reacting, they are used to this, have been since the late 70's.
people barter, use doelars, gold, silver, euros etc.
I can't get this point across on ZH.
Iranians are goldbugs that would put ZHers to shame. They have an active and robust gold bazaar in Tehran (and probably every city but I don't have friends from every city just Tehran) Just as you said AK, the Iranians buy in and out of gold coins with the smallest margin so this so-called "hyper-inflation" is something they are used to and used to sidestepping anyway.
I can't wait to visit! I'll pay for the tickets if you buy the filaffal. You'll recognize me at the airport cuz I'll be the guy with 50 cartons of Marlboro Red's and a case of Johnny Walker Black.
back in the day i used to pack my suitcases with levi's 501 jeans. if you had big balls you had the option of dissolving things into the fabric for later extraction.
disabledvet,
you're not allowed to take more than two cartons of cigs and two bottles of liquor overseas. at least that was the case for me the last time i traveled abroad.
You are correct TM but it was DV's thought that counted. Can liquor even be imported into Iran I wonder? I do not think they drink much there. The TSA would confiscate it before boarding on false pretenses anyway.
Check this Rick Steves episode from Iran. Soon to be banned in 'Merica.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/94075/rick-steves-europe-rick-steves%E2%80%99-...
just a bunch of suckers trying to live like the rest of us suckers all under a jackboot. seems both depressing and hopeful at the same time
Iran might appear more civilized if they didn't stone women for adultery
I know what you mean, I tell my friends at work that Iran isn't like the middleeast not by a longshot. It's a real beautiful country. I even told them that it's extremely mountainous and using tanks against the Iranians won't be as easy as the Iraqi's.
What shits me off Sheepdog is the US propaganda makes people elsewhere think and act like these places are dumps and unstable failures, (which they certainly aren't) then more or less becomes true, as the US imposes sanctions, and economic strangulation, and uses infiltrators to destabilise and bring them down internally ... so that my own country becomes a preferable destination, that they then want to get into boats to come to.
The truth is Iran, Syria, Pakistan and Afghanistan are genuinely beautiful countries, and they should be proud if it, and stay and maintain and defend its integrity, and not fall for this demented shit coming from the Western MSM about how fucked they are, how miserable their country is, and how damnable their Govts are.
It's not a better situation in the West, that's for sure.
Iran has a very high literacy rate, best in the moslem world and possibly better than the US; if they didn't have this barbaric police state, they would be 1st world.
And a lot of them speak 2 ~ 3 languages with the greatest of ease, and English and Farsi ain't really all that similar.
English and Farsi ain't really all that similar.
They both belong to the Indo_european language family. But I agree about the high level of education in Iran. These people are nobody's fools.
Yeah, it's a real dump. Fuck the place. I need cheap gas for my daily commute. Not to a job, of course. Just like to stretch my legs. Get out in the world. So again, fuck the place:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Ws0Xy4QjE&feature=related
I'm assuming this is just one of the first areas to see the results of the embargo. More pain to come as restocking becomes increasingly difficult.
I doubt it. There is or has to be a supplier coming in from somewhere, maybe a blackmarket that's being kept on the DL.
I'll concern myself when the food prices are tripling, this is just one side to the story.
The people of Iran are in wonder of why they are being targeted. In such a scenario, they will come together rather than run around and rip eachother's heads off. Iran is not Libya or Egypt. They are not arabs. Get that through your f-ing heads.
Wrong. They will turn on their regime.
Yes, when you can find me a leader in Iran willing to lead their people away from the Mullahs. No such character exists. The Shah of Iran's failure was that he didn't shoot Khomeini's Air France plane out of the sky when it crossed over into Iranian airspace. These mullahs won't make the same mistake; they will jail any opposition leader before they become powerful enough to do anything.
Some will, some won't. The US is counting on it. The problem will lie in breaking the regime. If it is like Libya, and we olny need operatives, then the US will be in the clear. If we need groundtroops, then it will be Vetnam.
The wild cards are Russia (who is trading in Tomans) and China. What do they think about Iran experiencing hyperinflation?
And why the hell hasn't a State like Libya or Iran gone to a gold standard? Who needs a treaty? Just say the fucking words gold standard, and boom, you take down the Fiat Ponzi. All world leaders are a bunch of idiots.
You can't play the US game the way you always have, you have to think outside the box. If you try and strong arm the US they have you. You must think outside the parameters.
What about the gold dinar??? How did that work out for Libya?
That was a rumor, it wasn't implemented.