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Hyperinflation Comes To Iran

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Hyperinflation has struck again, this time at ground zero of the most sensitive geopolitical conflict in ages: Iran. EA WorldView reports:

An EA source reports that a relative in Tehran ordered a washing machine for 400,000 Toman (about $240) this week. When he went to the shop the next day, he was told that --- amidst the currency crisis and rising import costs --- the price was now 800,000 Toman (about $480). Another EA source says that the price of an item of software for a laptop computer has tripled from 50,000 Toman to 150,000 Toman within days.

And so the opportunity cost for the Ahmedinejad regime to preserve its status quo gradually grinds to zero, as the entire economy implodes (courtesy of a few strategic financially isolating decisions) making further escalation virtually inevitable, in a 100% replica of the US-planned Japanese escalation that led to the Pearl Harbor attack, and gave America the green light to enter the war.

Summary of McCollum's 1940 memo.


h/t L0gg0l


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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:18 | 2050900 SheepDog-One
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Exactly quintago, people have this notion of Iran being a bunch of sand dunes with a couple tents on it. In reality Iran is the most developed mid east country by far. Well except for Israel, but thats a different story with the Synogogue of Satan.

The Real Iran the US Doesnt Want You to See - YouTube

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:39 | 2051803 I Got Worms
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To Joe 6-pack, it don't make a shit that Persians and Ay-rabs are nothing alike.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:08 | 2050866 jcia
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Ron Paul is off to the status quo!

Step by Step on Getting Ron Paul Elected

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:58 | 2051164 Urban Redneck
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That video is hilarious (and hopefully useful), but the fact that it is even needed is tragic.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:27 | 2051983 msamour
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I especially liked the big guy with the I Heart guns t-shirt. There was no need for words, or bubbles, but we knew what it was about. I have great hopes for this year, maybe we will all be lucky, and RP can squeeze by. Then the hardest part will be to keep this guy alive somehow.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:35 | 2052186 Manipuflation
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That is actually a very useful link JCIA.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:08 | 2050867 drink or die
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What about Ipad 2s?  Are those going up in price too?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:10 | 2050885 slaughterer
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Nice time to own some of those smuggler ships that leave from Dubai for Iran loaded with iPhones and white goods.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:38 | 2051050 Mad Marv
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Maybe they just bartered poorly.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2051115 Sudden Debt
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Rule nr.1 in capitalisme:
Pricing = amount the idiots want to pay for it

Rule nr. 1 in marketing:
Value product at 10 times the actual value

Rule nr.1 in sales:
Don't talk about the price, just mention it in a abstract way

Rule nr.1 in banking:
Loan them the money and ask 2 x the amount back in intrest

In the end you'll probably pay 50$ for a 1$ product.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:28 | 2051283 CynicLaureate
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If you really had faith in your math, you'd be out there undercutting the $50 guy making a killing and getting rich.

Me?  I'm still in awe whenever I wander around WalMart looking at kitchen goods.  How can they ship this "Cooka-wonder-gadget" from China for $1.99, much less make it and package it, too?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:44 | 2051360 Sudden Debt
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I make a nice living in marketing :)

And to answer your question: they ship it in vertical filled containers and don't buy it per item but per cubic feet. Something that costs 2 dollars in the store is bought by the store for about 10 to 15 cents.
I'm a retail marketeer myself :)

You should see the production plants spitting these goods out at a rate you can't believe!
And yet you think 2 $ for it is cheap... Because you value it...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:11 | 2051684 AbruptlyKawaii
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By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing...kill yourself™.

No, no, no it's just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day, they'll take root - I don't know. You try, you do what you can. Kill yourself.

Seriously though, if you are, do.

Aaah, no really, there's no rationalisation for what you do and you are Satan's little helpers.

Okay - kill yourself - seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously. No this is not a joke, you're going, "there's going to be a joke coming," there's no fucking joke coming.

You are Satan's spawn filling the world with bile and garbage. You are fucked and you are fucking us.

Kill yourself. It's the only way to save your fucking soul, kill yourself.

Planting seeds. I know all the marketing people are going, "he's doing a joke..." there's no joke here whatsoever.

Suck a tail-pipe, fucking hang yourself, borrow a gun from a Yank friend - I don't care how you do it.

Rid the world of your evil fucking makinations. Machi... Whatever, you know what I mean.

I know what all the marketing people are thinking right now too, "Oh, you know what Bill's doing, he's going for that anti-marketing dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart."

Oh man, I am not doing that. You fucking evil scumbags!

"Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. A lot of people are feeling that indignation. We've done research - huge market. He's doing a good thing."

Godammit, I'm not doing that, you scum-bags! Quit putting a godamm dollar sign on every fucking thing on this planet!

"Ooh, the anger dollar. Huge. Huge in times of recession. Giant market, Bill's very bright to do that."

God, I'm just caught in a fucking web.

"Ooh the trapped dollar, big dollar, huge dollar. Good market - look at our research. We see that many people feel trapped. If we play to that and then separate them into the trapped dollar..."

How do you live like that? And I bet you sleep like fucking babies at night, don't you?

"What didya do today honey?"

"Oh, we made ah, we made ah arsenic a childhood food now, goodnight." [snores] "Yeah we just said you know is your baby really too loud? You know?" [snores] "Yeah, you know the mums will love it." [snores]

Sleep like fucking children, don't ya, this is your world isn't it?


Goat Boy RIP

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2051921 Global Hunter
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Bill Hicks!  I was just thinking today there was a regular poster on ZH with Bill Hicks avatar I haven't seen in a while

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:17 | 2051951 stirners_ghost
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"Those who insist that objects, activities, people or creations have objective value are unhappy jealous souls who see all human commerce as a form of exploitation in which one party must always be cheated and degraded."

-Allen Thornton

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:29 | 2052313 AbruptlyKawaii
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classic anarcho/libertarian solipsism loaded with non sequitors.

1. Anyone who is objective is jealous and unhappy.

2. Critics are objective.

3. All critics are jealous and unhappy.

for example, in ayn rand's utopia, subjectivity is a property rights issue and must bend to the whims of a so called individualism which is, inter alia, nothing but naive and deluded ideology.

conveniently, such arguments are never taken to their illogical conclusion.

in this circular logic, ethics becomes at once apriori and relative to the so called free-market, such that, as long as there is a market for 'it', then 'it' must be okay, for the market gods or the gods of the "jungle" have so ordained and blessed the subjective value of 'it'.

in other words, as long as there is a "free-market™®©" subjectivity is not only an end, but also a virtue in itself.





Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:34 | 2052882 JOYFUL
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You are seriously confused, and may need to hang yourself upside down from a tree in order to clear the fog from your brain.

Ayn Rand is to "anarcho-libertarianism" what Alan Greenspan was to "free-enterrpise".....

another neo-trotskyite klepto-kommunist wolf-in-sheep's clothing, sent to Amerika to delude the masses into believing that freedom is slavery and slavery is freedom.

Now go back to yur Philosphy 101 course and learn to punch in your weight class Poindexter.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 01:36 | 2053525 UpShotKnotHoleGrable
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u mad brah?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 07:08 | 2053780 JOYFUL
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not a tall, sport.  Just like to see accuracy in media.  Pardon my particularism for objecting to halfwit grandstanding by junior intellects.

*note to audience....I never junk my opponents here,  just concentrate on destroying their arguments.  Yur move welterweight.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:08 | 2051200 e-recep
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it is fishy. how come the dollar value of the item doubles, too??

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:30 | 2051996 AUD
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Hyperinflation in the USA?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:17 | 2051234 Ghordius
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Not all prices - imports first & most.
Gold, by the way, not that much...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:40 | 2051355 Gully Foyle
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"Another EA source says that the price of an item of software for a laptop computer has tripled from 50,000 Toman to 150,000 Toman within days."

Meanwhile Pirate Bay reported a hundred percent increase in bandwidth usage.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:54 | 2051428 Slartebartfast
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Read the post!  This isn't YOY data.  This all happened in the last few days as a result of the Obama Regime's massive escalation as of New Years Day.  Lovely.

Better invest is some metals.  Lead underwear!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:22 | 2051543 zerozulu
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I visited Iran in the late 90's. I married few years before that other wise i could have married an Iranian girl. I swear , Iranian people are the most loveable people. At the end of the day, looser will be the people who believe this kind of MSM crap.

Iranian government might have put 100% tax on imported goods. Most of the stuff they use is made locally.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:51 | 2051615 Stax Edwards
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And believe it or not, the Iranian people only hate their government slightly more than the rest of the world does.  The Iranian people are not the problem.  The Iranian government getting nuclear weapons is a serious problem that I fully guarantee you will not be tolerated by the world.  Yes, by default the US will be left with the heavy lifting here, but there are no modern nations that want Iran to have nukes, and if that means war, so it will be.  This is not my opinion, this is a fact.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:17 | 2051726 disabledvet
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So Iran and the USA have something in common. Perhaps negotiations are in order?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:42 | 2051817 Pancho Villa
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It is too close to elections for any US military action against Iran. If the US was going to do anything, it would have done it already. Iran now has a green light for building nukes, if it wants to.

This is not fact, it is my opinion.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:09 | 2051695 fourchan
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its great if your not getting your head cut off or a death sentance by a religous nut.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:40 | 2052893 inca
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I agree with Gordon Duff! - must read!

Iran Crisis: Something Fishy Contrived?  Is That the Word I am Looking For?

by Gordon Duff,  Senior Editor

From the sound of it, the US stands ready to attack Iran any day now. Now for the funny part.

Two days ago, I took my wife down to get a replacement ID card.  We go to our local Air Force Base, headquarters of the 180th Fighter Wing, more or less
the “tip of the spear” as for American air power.

This is our local boys, family to our town, this is “our” military.  They are quietly home, alive and well and not relocating to the Middle East.

You can’t even count how many times they have been deployed but they aren’t deployed now.

I tend to not believe in the current crisis and the threatened attack.  I have intelligence sources in most governments in the region, safely, the equal of the CIA, perhaps better.  I am more “likeable” even on my grumpy days.

Back years ago, 9/11, the first thing I asked was “who makes money off this.”

By 2006, we had enough witnesses come forward we could prove our suspicions that, essentially, America’s government had fallen in 2000 and a cabal, the same that orchestrated the Afghanistan invasion, the Iraq invasion, the phony intelligence for both, those pulling the Bush/Blair “strings” planned and executed 9/11.

In the end, we have stood for years now ready to arrest Americans and Israelis and not one single Muslim.  This would be the easiest criminal case in history.

more here:


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:02 | 2050834 THECOMINGDEPRESSION

Don't worry the poor womans washing machine will be destroyed by a bomb in the coming months.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:04 | 2050845 mayhem_korner
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Don't worry the poor womans washing machine will be destroyed by an A-bomb in the coming months.

Little editing.  :D

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:26 | 2050980 tarsubil
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The MIC is not about doing stuff efficiently or quickly. It is about running up the tab.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:52 | 2051417 oddjob
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Cost plus, bitchez.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:56 | 2051139 Sudden Debt
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I thing you mean:
The womans washing machine will be melted back into raw metal by a A-bomb in the coming months and the carbon from her vaporized body will make it a high valued metal.... Damascus was once well known for it's carvonised metal, it seems they'll be once more.

A mans got to Nuke what mans got to Nuke.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:15 | 2050919 fasTTcar
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Isn't that bullish for the economy?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:02 | 2050835 mayhem_korner
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I just looked it up:  "Escalation" in fact is a synonym for "inflation."  Go figure.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:02 | 2050836 azzhatter
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Good thing they don't wash very often

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:03 | 2050844 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Only five times a day

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:20 | 2050944 SheepDog-One
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Right, azzhater, because Iran is so PRIMITIVE and all! Or so they want you to believe.

The Real Iran the US Doesnt Want You to See - YouTube

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:28 | 2051000 Dr. Engali
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Good video. It's too bad more people can't see it. When people think of Iran they think of camels and mud huts.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:31 | 2051012 SheepDog-One
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Thats because most people, even smart people, are really just sheeple too.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:35 | 2051035 kridkrid
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by design.  There are people and there are non-people.  Chomsky talks a lot about this... you've got to make it so people have relative value.  A bunch of "collateral damage" in an air strike is a lot more acceptable if the people are mostly brown goat herders and camel jockeys.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:32 | 2051304 Cyrano de Bivouac
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600,000+ German civilians  were killed by Allied aerial attacks during WW2. So the Anglo American financial system isn't that picky.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:50 | 2051613 kridkrid
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that is true.  But by in large, the way our media reports, there is a difference in the value of a human life based on where one lives and the color of their skin.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:13 | 2051710 Bob Sacamano
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Agreed.  How is the economic state of their country a factor in whether economic sanctions are imposed or whether they are bombed?  Seems an absurd consideration.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:46 | 2051836 frostfan
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Your comment is unacceptable.  Please rephrase to "Zionists made Americans kill innocent civilians"  and you will get 50 green arrows.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:06 | 2051680 Things that go bump
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Rather than elegant, highly civilized Persians.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:04 | 2051663 foxenburg
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Yum, yum! Talk about target rich. Bitchez!!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:28 | 2051988 krispkritter
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Well they do have camels...have a picture of my Mother on one over there.  Said it was way spookier than riding a horse.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:03 | 2050837 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:04 | 2050839 death_to_fed_tyranny
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Coming to all countries who print FIAT! Thanks to the Banksters of the World! Make sure you get your water beans and bullets. Don't forget the rope so we can hang these banksters high. SLOWLY!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:13 | 2050904 Jonas Parker
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Rope? Why? Is there a shortage of piano wire?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:03 | 2050840 tahoebumsmith
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This is not going to end well...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:03 | 2050841 spanish inquisition
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peg to the yuan

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:41 | 2051071 Smiddywesson
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No, everyone will peg to the SDR, and the SDR will "peg" to gold.  Then they will devalue, all at once, all over the world, and pronounce themselves heroes for "fixing" everything they broke.  Rinse and repeat, slowly leaching the gold out of their "gold standard" SDR.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:03 | 2050843 tekhneek
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Belarus is the fiscal hipster of the hyperinflation game though. They got there first.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:04 | 2050850 mayhem_korner
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"fiscal hipster"


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:07 | 2050862 tekhneek
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Little hyperinflation here, some nuclear warheads there, some global suppression on the side and before you know it you've got yourseful a full blown functioning new world order issuing a new currency due to "dire" economic conditions globally then microchipping everyone for their own safety.

I really hate watching this thing play out.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:29 | 2050999 Mark Carney
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"then microchipping everyone for their own safety."

How true that is....

Revelation 13:16-18
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:38 | 2051057 tekhneek
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The bible...? That's probably the best example of the telephone game transitioning wording and content over time into a book that's missing many of the original books that are still held by the catholic church which won't be released. Not to mention along with scrolls that have been found and withheld on purpose from it. You're reading a well groomed, well altered version of what you're allowed to have by the church. Nothing more, nothing less. That book has also, as I said, been transitioned over time into something that probably resembles close to nothing of it's original meaning.

Besides with all the billions of galaxies and clusters and superclusters in our universe people still buy into that book and believe that there's a single deity with a son born from a virgin who he sent to our planet to die for our sins.

It blows my mind.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:48 | 2051110 tarsubil
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What blows my mind is that with all the billions of galaxies and clusters and superclusters in our universe people still believe in materialism.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:55 | 2051136 mayhem_korner
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What blows my mind is that a bearded chump in the 19th century sails around the Galapagos and a non-disprovable fabrication of a theory becomes gospel in classrooms around the world, despite no evidence to support it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:36 | 2051331 Kelly
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No evidence to support evolution except we can see it every day with our own eyes if we look. Species that reproduce on short time frames can evolve very  quickly. Think anti-biotic resistant bacteria. The species has changed over time to adapt to their environment.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:38 | 2051343 mayhem_korner
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Strains, not species, bub.  No evidence of a new species evolving from another.  Anywhere.  Ever.  None in the fossil record.  No evidence of failures, either (should be billions, no?).  No answer for the irreducible complexity argument, how an eye formed, how male and female of a formerly asexual species evolved simultaneously.  Shall I go on?  Or shall you go back and actually study the issue?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:46 | 2051385 EscapeKey
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Plenty of evidence if you actually look. But since you're quite obviously a hardcore denialist, there's fuck all reason trying to get this across to you.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:55 | 2051436 mayhem_korner
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Denier is the label you use when you run out of logic.  Show me the evidence.  I can show you tons of evidence that water freezes at 32 degrees.  Show me something comparable.  Answer any of the points I raised with irrefutable evidence.  I'll wait.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:50 | 2051612 James T. Kirk
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I totally agree. There is not a single scrap of scientific evidence to support evolution. Until ZH readers can understand simple concepts such as:
1. The difference between evolution and natural selection
2. The second law of thermodynamics
3. Mathematical probability theory
4. The absolute impossibility of two symbiotic life forms simultaneously "evolving" together
5. The concept of intelligent design

I could go on and on. I love ZH, but unfortunately, many arm chair philosophers confuse a strong opinion with actual knowledge on the subject matter. I love PM's, but I know almost nothing about trading, and I don't confuse these two facts. I wish some ZH readers would stop confusing geopolitical knowledge with true scientific knowledge. Just because some religious leaders have done horrific things does not mean you can dismiss God as some fairytale.

Let me give a succint example. A ZH reader who was backpacking in the wilderness, and found an I-Pad lying under a rock, would NEVER believe that the I-Pad formed "spontaneously" out of the ground. Rather, it would be evidence that intelligent life had been there beforehand. Yet, the same ZH reader confidently asserts that complex life forms, much more complex than an I-Pad, somehow magically appeared and ALSO somehow "evolved." Show me an an evolving machine, and I will show you the DESIGNER who engineered it to "evolve."

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:30 | 2051766 Cast Iron Skillet
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God isn't a fairy tale. God is not different than life.

I would believe that the iPad evolved from the PC found under the other rock.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:30 | 2051992 James T. Kirk
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Perfect arm chair philosophy. A cast iron skillet could not evolve from a rock, let alone an I-Pod from a computer. Unless, of course, someone designed the computer to evolve. However, even this is not the case. Evolution is not natural selection. God did not design life to evolve. There is no evidence that life evolves. It is just a conjecture, initially dreamed up by Darwin to "explain" how life came into being absent a Creator, and eagerly adopted by our NWO-controlled "educational" system to control the masses. Do you mourn the death of the US Constitution? Look no further than the current socially engineered ecumenical milieu that has castrated our ability to believe in any absolute spiritual truth.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:34 | 2051952 psychobilly
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1.    The difference between evolution and natural selection 

Natural selection -- like sexual selection and genetic drift -- is a mechanism of evolution. The "difference" is entirely manufactured by those who have invented this imaginary line between "macro" and "micro" evolution in order to justify bronze age fairy tales. There is no line in terms of the actual mechanics; not in science anyway. It's just a matter of timescale.  

2.    The second law of thermodynamics 


Not only is life not a closed system, examples of order arising from disorder are plentiful in the natural world. This persistent, ubiquitous meme is simply a function of ignorance. No physical laws are violated by the modern evolutionary synthesis.  

3.    Mathematical probability theory  


Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 8)  

4.    The absolute impossibility of two symbiotic life forms simultaneously "evolving" together 

Total nonsense.  Link? 

5.    The concept of intelligent design 

Is simply re-branded creationism.  Pseudoscience.  Not only is unintelligent design abundant in nature, but attempts by creationists to prove irreducible complexity have fallen flat.  See: 

The Flagellum Unspun: The Collapse of "Irreducible Complexity” 

Answering the Biochemical Argument from Design 

Let me give a succint example. A ZH reader who was backpacking in the wilderness, and found an I-Pad lying under a rock, would NEVER believe that the I-Pad formed "spontaneously" out of the ground. 

I see one of the primary reasons for your confusion. Evolution is not a "spontaneous" process. It's an incremental, step-wise process that occurs over generations and geological timescales.  Neither is natural selection a random process for that matter.

These sorts of arguments assume an all-at-once, completely random assemblage with no pre-existing structure; an assumption with no basis in reality.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:13 | 2052111 James T. Kirk
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Wish I had more time to debate. The short version reply is as follows:

1. Basic body structure is not controlled by DNA. Only cell structure is. Body structure is controlled by cellular information contained outside the DNA. So much for DNA "mutations" causing trans-species "evolution." Oops.

2. The whole anti-God argument is that the universe is an anamistic closed system unto itself. You are seriously contradicting your own argument. As far as life arising from "disorder," let me "disorder" just one tiny cellular function in your body, and let's see how long you survive, let alone "evolve.

3. I'll watch the video when I am not at work and get back to you.

4. Show me your link, and I'll show you mine.

5. Rebranded creationism? I agree. We used to be a lot smarter as a race. I am confused, however. If evolution is NOT something out of nothing, how did we arrive at life forms even minimally capable of "evolving?" As far as your last sentence, you obviously saved the best for last: "These sorts of arguments assume completely random assemblage with no pre-existing structure, an assumption with no basis in reality." I HAVE to ask---- IF THE "BIG BANG" IS TRUE, HOW MUCH PRE-EXISTING STRUCTURE DOES A VIOLENT EXPLOSION, WITH MORE MEGATONNAGE THAN BERNANKE CAN CREATE DOLLARS---JUST HOW MUCH "PRE-EXISTING STRUCTURE" WAS PRESENT IN THIS LANDMARK EVENT???


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:06 | 2052192 psychobilly
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1. Basic body structure is not controlled by DNA. Only cell structure is. Body structure is controlled by cellular information contained outside the DNA. So much for DNA "mutations" causing trans-species "evolution." Oops.

Except that basic body structure can be altered in a lab via modification of genes responsible for that very thing.  Oops.  This is completely false.  Who told you this?

2. The whole anti-God argument is that the universe is an anamistic closed system unto itself. You are seriously contradicting your own argument. As far as life arising from "disorder," let me "disorder" just one tiny cellular function in your body, and let's see how long you survive, let alone "evolve.

Who said anything about "life arising"?  You are confusing evolution with abiogenisis.  The fact remains that the argument from the second law of thermodynamics is bogus.

5. Rebranded creationism? I agree. We used to be a lot smarter as a race. I am confused, however. If evolution is NOT something out of nothing, how did we arrive at life forms even minimally capable of "evolving?" As far as your last sentence, you obviously saved the best for last: "These sorts of arguments assume completely random assemblage with no pre-existing structure, an assumption with no basis in reality." I HAVE to ask---- IF THE "BIG BANG" IS TRUE, HOW MUCH PRE-EXISTING STRUCTURE DOES A VIOLENT EXPLOSION, WITH MORE MEGATONNAGE THAN BERNANKE CAN CREATE DOLLARS---JUST HOW MUCH "PRE-EXISTING STRUCTURE" WAS PRESENT IN THIS LANDMARK EVENT???

Again, you confuse abiogenesis (along with origins of the universe) with evolution.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:32 | 2052631 Schmoo
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psychobilly, thanks for at least trying to explain to him

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:54 | 2052966 msamour
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Oh goody, A Fundie! Can I keep him? I will hug him, and squeeze him, and pet him, and call him George!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:51 | 2051413 Kelly
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You can't imagine how an entirely separate species could eventually come from a "strain" of organisms changed enough over time?


I wonder why it's possible to breed a lion with a tiger?  Hmmmm....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:52 | 2051420 mayhem_korner
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I can imagine it, you just can't prove it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:55 | 2051438 Kelly
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I wonder if lions and tigers and all felines are evolved from a common ancestor. That would explain it.  Of course we could just say God made them that way too.  6000 years ago.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:30 | 2051768 Cast Iron Skillet
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they're both kitties?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:22 | 2052837 stiler
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but ligers are usually sterile, like mules. Neither creation or evolution can be proven to anyone else. Both should be presented as viable hypotheses in science (even though they require faith). No one was there. (except God) oops.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:56 | 2051429 Silver Dreamer
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Show me even a simple bacterial organism "evolve" from one species to another.  Evolution within species is without question.  Evolution where one species "evolves" into another is entirely different.  You can breed a horse and a mule too, but that doesn't change the facts about the two types of evolution.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:58 | 2051644 James T. Kirk
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A mule is the result of breeding a horse and a donkey. Mules are sterile. Just for info.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:28 | 2052400 psychobilly
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Show me even a simple bacterial organism "evolve" from one species to another. Evolution within species is without question. Evolution where one species "evolves" into another is entirely different. You can breed a horse and a mule too, but that doesn't change the facts about the two types of evolution.

Entirely new proteins can be created via evolutionary processes.  What exactly do you imagine the limiting factor to be here? 

Nobody can "show you" the "macro" evolution of a mountain, continent, star or solar system in real time, either.  This doesn't stop us from drawing scientific conclusions about their origins and evolution over geological timescales, based on the evidentiary record. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:14 | 2051220 GOSPLAN HERO
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you are wise weedhopper

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:17 | 2051231 Mark Carney
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what blows my mind is that The Bible has contiusouly proven that it is correct in the sense that all its bold predictions keep coming true.  people on this forum always ask why Israel is a state, well The Bible fortold of this action hundreds of years earlier.


I dare you to read it. if you do you will find that everything that is happening RIGHT now is fortld in The Bible. 

*coles notes (The Bible states)

-there will be a dreadful economic collapse where;

-a one world order will arise with the antichrist as the savior to the world after the sever hardships

-one wolrd currency will arise (as stated originaly by you go figure)


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:22 | 2051253 Mark Carney
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forgot to mention that the ME drama with Russia and China is also clearly portrayed in the Bible.


Sure we can all agree though that war is coming.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:22 | 2051544 Kayman
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Mark Carney

Save me the tedious prophesies.  The good book says there is man and there will be troubles. Over and over and over.

It is comforting that there is the big guy in the sky. But is he Allah of Jehovah ? I would take either one without the anger and the burnt offerings and the murders.

For now I will take Darwin amended to Survival of the Luckiest.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:57 | 2052728 Prometheus418
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It's Abraxsax, now stop your bickering.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:23 | 2051255 itchy166
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The biggest threat to humanity has always been religion.  The bible is a fairy tale that TPTB use to control you.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:06 | 2051682 James T. Kirk
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Correction. Although the Bible has been used to "control" us, it is definitely not a fairytale. It is by far the largest and most accurate source of archeological information possessed by man. The absolutely best means of control is always the use of partial truth. Such is the sad state of affairs involving the Bible.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:50 | 2051410 mayhem_korner
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I dare you to read it.


I love that comment.  I always say (and am bludgeoned red here in "atheistan") that the Bible is the most often criticed book whose critics have never read it.  I've called out a number of apostates here that attempt subtle sleights-of-hand and misdirections using Scripture.  I get the blog version of being hung up on - no reply and a down arrow.

Keep the faith.  BTW, there are hundreds of theories of the mark of the beast from your Revelation 13 reference - some compelling, some totally whack-o.  I have no idea which if any will prove true, but I just suggest not investing too much in any one.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:11 | 2051497 tekhneek
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I was born and raised in a Christian family and held the faith for quite some time. I've read the bible cover to cover numerous times as this is encouraged and you pretty much have to if you're going to be part of a "real" congregation. I loved the people and continue to I just found that as I matured in life I had more questions than the bible had answers for and I began to see the corruption and just thought that maybe there was something more.

I do agree that it is remarkable some of the resemblances in passages in the bible to our current day with tsunamis, earthquakes, disasters, economic problems, wars, etc but I'm not sure I believe the entire premise that it presents in its entirety.

A whole truth is different from a partial truth and while I would never discourage anyone from believing in what they want to believe, I am also free to share my opinion so Mark I made that comment with respect to you and your position on what's happening right now. I just think there's more to life than a capital G and a monopoly on the after life at the expense of the bigger world picture.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:34 | 2052006 mayhem_korner
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I was born and raised in an atheist family.  Go figure.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:50 | 2052053 Cathartes Aura
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yours is a well considered reply to the "read it first" request, tekhneek.

with regards the

current day with tsunamis, earthquakes, disasters, economic problems, wars, etc

I find it interesting that the amrkn MIC declared war on the "weather" in 1999, has patents that relate to "taking control" of the environment, and is a sinkhole for fiat funding of the agenda(s), be it legit from taxes, or off the books, bank laundered, "war on drugs' monies. . .

it's pretty much accepted at ZH that we understand the source of "economic problems, wars, etc." - perhaps equal attention could be paid to the "weather related" issues. . .

by the way, "Even The Rothschild's Are Weather Obsessed"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:32 | 2051775 Cast Iron Skillet
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:12 | 2051508 Kayman
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The Roman Catholic Church, "the church that Jesus founded".  Why isn't the Pope a Rabbi then ?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:17 | 2051725 James T. Kirk
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Jesus didn't found it. After centuries of the Roman empire trying to stamp out Christianity, Constantine flipped course and made Christianity the state religion. For example, the statue of "Peter" in the Vatican was originally the sun god Apollo before it was co-opted. Present day "Christianity" bears little resemblance to authentic Christianity. For example, all original Christians were Jews. It took an act of God to convince the disciple Peter to "allow" gentiles to become Christians. I know I am going to get a lot of Jew-loving ZH readers agitated with this one.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:13 | 2051931 Almost Solvent
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Battle of the Milvian Bridge - Classic!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:53 | 2051605 KK Tipton
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Tekhneek. Your original post...first on.

Second part...not so well researched. You are (still?) buying into the "well altered" versions description of events.
Read up on the Gnostic version. Is it just wild science fiction ahead of its time? Or is it the truth?
Phillip K. Dick dove right into that realm.

Things operate a specific way here on Planet Earth. Your job as a human is to find out why.
Fake mainstream christian religon *and* science are both going to be surprised in the end I bet.

Hints and clues are everywhere (geometry/music). Excellent, excellent video:

"God"?  Pure "consciousness". One that we can't even begin to understand.
Our "universe" was created from/by pure thought.

Jesus had to come on the scene to fix something. To bridge the gap between the incomprehensible and the "real".
To point out our situation.....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:14 | 2051712 tekhneek
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Thanks for the information. I'll check it out.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:48 | 2051838 KK Tipton
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No prob. I know the Gnostic stuff gets way out there. And there are modern "new agey" fake "Gnostic" churches etc..

It's just the concepts they described that are the interesting part.

The video I linked is cool because it describes the operation of the "top level" of existence basically.
Religions always purport to describe "god" as omnipotent, but always fail at it.

An ultimate "consciousness" that everything "physical" was created from makes sense.
What that "consciousness" actually *is* the tough part to answer.
I don't know if we as humans are even capable of knowing the answer in our physical form.

This may have been taken into account....hence the gnostic information and Jesus.

I'm sure there was a lot of incredible information he told his followers:

"77. Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

"13. Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."

Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."

Weird huh? So...what documents/books do you think the catholic church has relating to all this eh?
We only see a tip of the iceberg.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:03 | 2052078 Cathartes Aura
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the Gnostic books are indeed a fascinating read, good to use when picking the thorn of the Bible from the paw of the individual. . .

An ultimate "consciousness" that everything "physical" was created from makes sense.
What that "consciousness" actually *is* the tough part to answer.
I don't know if we as humans are even capable of knowing the answer in our physical form.


there is a way of perceiving individual reality as non-dual, and the words "consciousness IS" falls in there - the concept of not-two, but one is Taoist, also has elements of Indian philosophy (advaita), and others. . .

"Consciousness is all there is"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:29 | 2052516 KK Tipton
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"there is a way of perceiving individual reality as non-dual....."

Yes. I've not gone that far yet. ;)

In terms of reading *and* reality.
I've had some interesting events in my own personal space. Playing music with others can show you pieces of the puzzle.
Other creative pursuits can as well.

Hints and clues....

Speaking of that....check this out. Some interesting thoughts there:


Wed, 01/11/2012 - 00:10 | 2053289 Cathartes Aura
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no need to "go" as it seems to come to one, some times - a teacher once said "If you are a seeker, you will seek, and that will be your identity, seeker.  Drop the identity of seeker, see what might happen."

it's all personal, in my opinion, and playing music with others, which drops the mind in favour of the intuitive space, just being, is an excellent way to see oneself as a part of a whole beingness - I both played, and worked with musicians, for years. .  . music is my soul, and even now I have my "soundtrack" to my reality going. *grins*

thanks for the links. . . I'll check 'em out - here's one for you:

Bill Callaghan - Free's

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:33 | 2051784 Cast Iron Skillet
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Jesus was one of many enlightened people to appear through the ages. Like Buddha or Mohammed.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:30 | 2051995 mayhem_korner
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Only one empty tomb, though.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:56 | 2052282 Manipuflation
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tekhneek, this post is acually why I logged on to ZH.  I can see that you have been saving that one for a while.  Well, everyone can thumb me down but that was a great post.  Obviously, the concept could, and likely should, be greatly expanded to cover numerous volumes of religio-political material but likely off the main ZH board.  I would be interested.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:43 | 2051078 Smiddywesson
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If everyone pegs to the SDR and trade is settled in SDRs, then you don't need to issue a one world currency, the SDR would be the one world currency.  The sheeple must not awaken.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:18 | 2050907 Belarusian Bull
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One of Lukashenko's asslickers proposed to nominate him for  economics nobel prize. No kidding read here

P.S. Actually, why not? Obama got nobel peace prize and started more wars, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea  to reward a complete economic failure?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:05 | 2050853 Stoploss
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Excellent job Tyler.

Japan was the first of what i like to call "The Ponzi Wars"  You heard it here first. THE  PONZI WARS. You will see this term again..


I promise..

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:07 | 2050860 SilverIsKing
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I hate to plug them but they could get a nice washer at PC Richard for $331.17 with special financing available.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:10 | 2050882 Big Corked Boots
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Yeah, but the shipping will 'kill' ya.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2050896 Canaduh
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Just how special?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:15 | 2050918 Eally Ucked
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You obviously dont know what the washer is! This is energy, detergent and water garburator.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:08 | 2050869 user2011
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Hmmm.....   Is it really HyperInflation ?  Or the supply and demand ?   Iranian worries about further embargo, and they gobble up stuffs.      It is not the lose of faith in the currency.  It is the demand higher than supply.

Iranian consumer stampede over themselves over supply.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2050894 mayhem_korner
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Might even be hyper-propaganda, no?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:18 | 2050932 EscapeKey
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If the want of other assets but money is higher, and increasingly so that it causes the value of currency to diminish, then that is indeed hyperinflation.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:09 | 2050870 DogSlime
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Shit, if these figures are right then it looks like we really are right on the edge of a conflict :(

Something's going to snap.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:19 | 2050936 mayhem_korner
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Conflict starts well before the first puch is thrown or the first bunker-buster dropped.  We've been well past that "edge" for quite a spell.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:09 | 2050874 I am a Man I am...
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$480 sounds right for a washing machine

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:09 | 2050879 Dcheeth2
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Germany - Hyperinflation - Invaded most of Europe.

Argentina - Hyperinflation - Invaded the Falklands.

Yugoslavia - Hyperinflation - Genocide.

Iran - Hyperinflation - ??????????

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2050888 a growing concern
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1. Hyperinflation 

2. ?????

3. Profit

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:14 | 2050906 slaughterer
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Iran -- Hyperinflation ==> nuke Israel and a US aircraft carrier.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:20 | 2050946 mayhem_korner
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I think nuking an aircraft carrier would be what some term "excessive force."  OTOH, it would eliminate any ambiguity as to intent.  :D

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2051120 Smiddywesson
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Nuke an aircraft carrier?  Why waste perfectly good nuke when you can utterly destroy an aircraft carrier with less than a million dollars worth of missiles?

Aircraft carriers became obsolete after the 2002 war games described below (Ignore the anti-Bush rhetoric and insert Obama.  This is a bi-partisan issue.)

The New Pearl Harbor


By Michael E. Salla, M.A., Ph.D.


11/08/07 "ICH" -- -- -The Bush administration has covered up and ignored dissenting Pentagon war games analysis that suggests an attack on Iran’s nuclear or military facilities will lead directly to the annihilation of the Navy’s Fifth Fleet now stationed in the Persian Gulf.  Lt. General Paul Van Riper led a hypothetical Persian Gulf state in the 2002 Millennium Challenge wargames that resulted in the destruction of the Fifth Fleet. His experience and conclusions regarding the vulnerability of the Fifth Fleet to an assymetrical military conflict with Iran have been ignored. Neoconservatives within the Bush administration are currently aggressively promoting a range of military actions against Iran that will culminate in it attacking the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet with sophisticated cruise anti-ship missiles. They are ignoring Van Riper’s experiences in the Millennium Challenge and how it applies to the current nuclear conflict with Iran.



Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:56 | 2051150 mayhem_korner
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You have rows of howitzers in yer front yard, don't you?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:17 | 2051233 Smiddywesson
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Not howitzers, just gold thieves, and they go in the back yard.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:45 | 2051378 fightthepower
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Its very funny when people quote 10 year old war games.  Isn't that the point of a war game, to learn what your weaknesses are and fix them?  LOL

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:45 | 2051379 fightthepower
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Its very funny when people quote 10 year old war games.  Isn't that the point of a war game, to learn what your weaknesses are and fix them?  LOL

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:04 | 2051470 Silver Dreamer
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There's not much you can do against a low flying cruise missile.  Just ask all of the people struck by ours in recent history.  Ships are sitting ducks unfortunately.  Many Americans apparently have this Hollywood impression that our military weapon systems are invulnerable and superior to all other nation's.  It just isn't true.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:50 | 2051614 YHC-FTSE
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If this is a well known report, then somebody wants the 5th Fleet at the bottom of the Persian Gulf and it isn't the US or the Iranians. Let's see, who else is participating in the war games?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:24 | 2050965 BigJim
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Except, of course, they don't have any nukes.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:21 | 2050947 EscapeKey
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Sorry, but that's just bad history sleuthing.

Argentina invaded the Falklands in 1982, but hyperinflation kicked in around 1989, to be followed by the ultimate currency destruction in 2001.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:54 | 2051125 johny2
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learning history + economics through tabloids = hyper soundbites

this is what happened do dceetah above.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:27 | 2052153 prole
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Yugoslavia - Hyperinflation - Propaganda.

Iran - Hyperinflation - Babies taken from their incubators and left on the cold floor to die.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:10 | 2050881 a growing concern
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My 3X Wheelbarrow Bull ETF is going to the moon!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:10 | 2050884 decentralizedim...
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may be about time to prepare your 17 - 26 year old for the draft

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:12 | 2050898 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Did anyone believe Obama when he said they were cutting the Military budget?  Did anyone believe that we would cut force?  No.  That was all for show.

When this shit starts (WWIII) they will say, "We were going to cut the budget, but no we can't."


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:14 | 2050908 mayhem_korner
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"no we can't"


Deliberate or not, it's brilliant.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:13 | 2050902 mayhem_korner
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My 17 year old is a hearty Schnauzer.  Blind in both eyes, but can navigate anything by smell.  :D

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:25 | 2050977 Rick Masters
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The draft age in WWII was 21-45 and then subquently changed to 18-38, according to Wikipedia. You would need older people in their 30s who are college educated without kids as officers, I guess. Not sure though.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:32 | 2051018 tarsubil
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LOL, if I get drafted, that will be the ultimate hoot.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:39 | 2051063 kridkrid
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If you are the right age... give this a shot.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:52 | 2051123 tarsubil
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I wouldn't pull that until right before I was deployed. I think Mitt used something similar to that to avoid vietnam. Would that be dumb not to do it right away?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:08 | 2051916 MachoMan
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Hmm..  Alma huh...  rings up visions of gordon call and militias...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2051176 Smiddywesson
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LOL, I'd never make it through bootcamp, lecturing the drill instructor on central banking and complaining about my back.  They'd beat me to death.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:10 | 2050886 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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HES is up 3.22%

Just sayin'

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2050887 glennvtx
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" Another EA source says that the price of an item of software for a laptop computer has tripled from 50,000 Toman to 150,000 Toman within days."


You mean there are still people out there that actually PAY for software?


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