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Hyperinflation Comes To Iran

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Hyperinflation has struck again, this time at ground zero of the most sensitive geopolitical conflict in ages: Iran. EA WorldView reports:

An EA source reports that a relative in Tehran ordered a washing machine for 400,000 Toman (about $240) this week. When he went to the shop the next day, he was told that --- amidst the currency crisis and rising import costs --- the price was now 800,000 Toman (about $480). Another EA source says that the price of an item of software for a laptop computer has tripled from 50,000 Toman to 150,000 Toman within days.

And so the opportunity cost for the Ahmedinejad regime to preserve its status quo gradually grinds to zero, as the entire economy implodes (courtesy of a few strategic financially isolating decisions) making further escalation virtually inevitable, in a 100% replica of the US-planned Japanese escalation that led to the Pearl Harbor attack, and gave America the green light to enter the war.

Summary of McCollum's 1940 memo.

 

h/t L0gg0l

 

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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2050890 Conrad Murray
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Iran is also banning access to popular exchange rate sites, and censoring/blocking text messages containing the word "dollar".

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:28 | 2050998 tekhneek
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source ?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:52 | 2051124 JW n FL
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Conrad.. I dont get to read enough of what you post, honestly.. but I wanted to say Thank You! for taking the time to post Great! information and making it easy to find.

Seriously! God Love and God Bless You! for trying to help out your fellow man / woman.

Please NEVER! stop sharing!

or keep sharing until you get put in a FEMA Camp for telling the truth.. like Providing Sourced and Sited Material.

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:22 | 2051542 tekhneek
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Awesome, should have just googled, but thank you anyway!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2050891 roy10
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LOL - what can Iran do? How can they escalate anything? They are a paper tiger with planes that barely fly.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:14 | 2050909 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The half a million barrels that will come offline will be somewhat marginable.  Look for a price increase to $125 WTI in a few weeks, but if they close the straight all of those guestimates you have read will be low.  Look for $350-$400.

One thing I am thinking is that QE X is issued before, because Bernanke would love to cut the DXY himself.  If he doesn't then Iran does it for him, and he has to print afterwards.  He wants to front run WWIII.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:29 | 2051004 roy10
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They can "close" the straights for no longer than 10 minutes. You are overestimating the capabilities of this third world country. It's a paper tiger. They don't even have an air-force.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:40 | 2051068 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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They do have an air force.  If we go to war with them "air to air" troops will be sent over.  It ill be an invasion.  Another fucking invasion.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:44 | 2051086 roy10
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They don't have an air-force. At least not one that can fly. There will be no invasion of Iran. They close the straights, we sink their navy, end of story. The entire "conflict" will last no more than a day.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:55 | 2051142 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I junked you

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:46 | 2051833 DoChenRollingBearing
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No land war with Iran, no way.  Not going to happen.

No junks to above!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:04 | 2052535 Augustus
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You are JUNK.

Iran has an airforce that is possibly 50% capable of getting into the air.  That part of their military will be gone in a few days.

The Iranian navy may last a few days longer.

No more blockage. 

It would be amazing for them to follow the path of Saddam.  What was it, two weeks to get to the capital?  The US has no real need to get to Tehran, just wipe the military and the nuke capability.  The locals will remove the trash at the top.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:21 | 2052836 Prometheus418
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They don't need an air force to control a strait.  They have Russian Sunburns.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:21 | 2050950 SheepDog-One
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Right Roy10, Iran is so PRIMITIVE and all!

The Real Iran the US Doesnt Want You to See - YouTube

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:25 | 2050976 Dcheeth2
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It didn't look like that when they were burning the Union Flag. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:33 | 2051024 SheepDog-One
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The 'Union Flag'? OH NO!

Well how about when we are burning their country to the ground, for never having attacked anyone? Can we say the same? Certainly not.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:52 | 2051126 roy10
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LOL @ "never having attacked anyone". Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism around the world. They sponsor Hamas, Hezbollah (which killed hundreds of marines) and they were engaged in a ruthless war with Iraq. A real peace loving nation. LOL.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:36 | 2051333 memyselfiu
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I also have it on good authority that they 'disappeared' my 92 year old neighbour's cat.

Other evidence points to the neighbour across the street who was tired of his roses dying, however.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:40 | 2052029 Vlad Tepid
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Since you claim to know so much about Iran, you will also be aware that it was Iraq that invaded Iran at the instigation of it's arms supplier, the US, AND it was Iraq who escalated the war by launching gas attacks against Iranian cities.  Since when does defending one's country from an invasion qualify one as an aggressor?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:31 | 2051009 roy10
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I know Iran fairly well. It's a third-world shit-hole. Have you ever been to Teheran? The fifth fleet will sink their entire navy in no more than 10 minutes.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:34 | 2051029 SheepDog-One
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You're clearly an idiot Neandersheep.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:50 | 2051117 roy10
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And you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever been to Teheran? Anybody who's knows the first thing about Iran, knows that it does not pose any kind of military threat to the US. Their strength is terrorism, suicide bombers and scud-type ballistic missiles. They have little else - no tanks, no planes and no real navy.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:53 | 2051130 tarsubil
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What did the Afghans have before we invaded? How long have we been there?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2051171 roy10
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How many tanks did the Afghans destroy? How many planes? Ships? We were stupid enough to fight an insurgency war in Afghanistan - you can't win that. A naval war is a completely different story. Iran can’t win. Their navy won’t survive more than 10 minutes.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:10 | 2051212 tarsubil
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"We were stupid enough to fight an insurgency war in Afghanistan..."

You talk as if staying there a long time wasn't the plan from the get go. You just don't get it, do you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlv7Bp-L2MM

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:32 | 2051314 roy10
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If it was the plan from the get go, it was a stupid plan. Invading countries is stupid. It never works. There are other ways of getting things done.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:06 | 2051903 my puppy for prez
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You obviously missed the memo about "full spectrum dominance" and the forever military presence.

They will be in Afghanistan as long as they are ordered to guard the poppy fields...and that could be a very long time.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:36 | 2052881 Prometheus418
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Again, your point is kind of irrelevant.  We're not talking about pitched naval battles and dogfights- if Iran uses sunburns from inland mobile lanchers, and does an even half-assed job of defending it's airspace with ground based ordinance, they will put some real hurt into the US forces that we simply don't need.

<<Edit: this is in response to the comment that Iran wouldn't last 10 min in a Naval war.  Comments are nesting weird lately.>>

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:17 | 2051232 seek
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More likely a garden variety troll or a cheaply paid disinfo/disruption agent. New account, dogmatic responses disconnected from reality but toeing the party line of someone. Very little point to direct engagement, just downvote 'em to hell.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:35 | 2051326 roy10
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Sure, vote down the single person who actually knows what he's talking about. Let's all live in our little fantasy world and pretend Iran is some sort of military power. Let's not let the facts disrupt our little theories.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:00 | 2051640 hedgeless_horseman
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The longest war in American history is the current war in Afghanistan. 

Tell me about their Air Force and Navy. 

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:45 | 2052230 prole
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Let's all live in our little fantasy world and pretend Iran is some sort of military power. Let's not let the facts disrupt our little theories.

Let's all hold hands and go back to freerepublic.com, where the good little sheople go!

There! There's a good boy!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:35 | 2051034 tarsubil
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I'm sure the MIC can draw out any conflict much longer than 10 minutes. Don't sell yourself short.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:40 | 2051356 flyme
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It takes less then 10 minutes to lay the mines.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:02 | 2051890 my puppy for prez
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But that would be inconsiderate of the MIC....that wouldn't give the sheeple even enough time to pop their popcorn, sit on the couch, and say "oooo, ahhhh" when the bombing starts on TV!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:03 | 2051893 my puppy for prez
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I recommend a miniseries format.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:33 | 2051783 Iwanttoknow
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As an uncover agent for which alphabet soup agency?Of US or others?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:09 | 2052550 Augustus
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It would be great if they could figure out that the sheep intestines should be removed from the sheep before using them as condoms.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:12 | 2050899 lolmao500
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Well if anyone knows Lindsey Williams... you know that's what he said several weeks ago... that the west would do everything it can to start a war with Iran... but it would be IRAN firing the first shot...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:23 | 2050961 GeneMarchbanks
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You need to think before you press "Save".

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:39 | 2051059 dick cheneys ghost
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Pastor Lindsay Williams is a bag of hot air....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:48 | 2051106 lolmao500
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Ya well he's kind of annoying. He never gets to the fucking point.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:47 | 2051102 Dangertime
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Not unlike the Civil War in the US, where Lincoln promised to leave Fort Sumter but instead brought in a fleet to resupply it.

 

Naturally the South was forced to fire the first-shot, and the rest is history.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:13 | 2050901 Kaiser Sousa
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If they would just demand that all non allied oil purchasers henceforth be required to pay for their oil n Gold they could put the clamp on bitch ass america and its pimp "the ziionist entity".....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:17 | 2050925 847328_3527
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forgot to shred that memo.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:19 | 2050935 kridkrid
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I love the McCollum memo refernece.  We Americans love our mythology... the "surprise attack" on a day that will live in infamy.  The power of propaganda.  Even when the light clearly shines on the truth, most don't care to hear it.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:48 | 2051108 Dangertime
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People always tend to believe what they hear first.

 

If you control the news, you really can control history.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:56 | 2051149 kridkrid
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And when fairly clear evidence is made available sometime later, you are a "revisionist" if you want to use it to tell a story that it different from the generally accepted narrative.  It works the same way as labeling someone a "conspiracy theorist".  When people don't like what they are hearing, a perjorative term seems to be more acceptable than plugging one's ears and saying, "lalalala, I can't hear you".

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:42 | 2051589 Evil Bugeyes
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I remember an interview I saw long ago where a German woman was describing how she and her mother were listening to a broadcast by Goebbels in honor of Hitler's birthday in April, 1945. Goebbels said: "Berlin will remain German and Vienna will be German again."

And the woman's mother said "Thank God! We are going to win the war." But the woman told her mother: "I'm sorry mother, but Goebbels is wrong and you are wrong. I am quite sure that Germany is going to lose the war."

To which the mother replied: "Do you really think that, at such a critical time, Goebbels would tell us a lie?"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:56 | 2052511 Randall Cabot
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Bullshit..

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:36 | 2056747 Evil Bugeyes
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I remembered where I saw this. It was on the BBC's 1974 "The World at War" series. You can still purchase the DVD's from Amazon, etc. Lots of interesting (but depressing) stuff in that series, including Traudl Junge's recollections of Hitler's last days in his bunker in Berlin.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:22 | 2050957 Gromit
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Unless I've mis-learned what I've read here - this is not inflation let alone hyperinflation but simply an adjustment in relative local pricing as washing machines become scarce in relation to other goods and services..

Just as in the USA a relative shortage of precious metals result in an increase in prices whereas information technology continues to reduce in price.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:40 | 2051807 Swarmee
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The difference is the timescale of the price change. A 100% chane in a two day period is a significant velocity of price increase. Granted, not a lot of data yet to extrapolate but if the trend continues at this rate in the coming days/weeks then it would be hyperinflation.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:24 | 2050967 pakled
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I got a bad feeling about this....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:25 | 2050974 Judge Arrow
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The United States did not goad the Japanese into war - TD needs to lose that rewrite of history, it is absurd vis a vis the larger facts extant - the Japanese were well on their way to invading all of Asia at the time of the McCollum Memo. The Iranian people likewise are well on their way to overthrowing their regime whether the US existed or not. Obama failed to support the Greens in iran because he is a fool. That the US has a fleet in the Gulf to protect Hormuz is like predicting sunset and so is the war with Iran  - the leaders there have an apocalpytic vision and seek to invent provocation to proclaim the fulfillment of destiny - annihilation and then rebirth. Like Japan, it does not matter what the US does - the only variable in both cases: when.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:47 | 2051095 kridkrid
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Of course the US did goad the Japanese into war, but it was over a period of time much longer than is defined in just the McCollum Memo.  Of all people, Pat Buchanan wrote a pretty interesting book on this topic.  This isn't to say that the Japanese were the "good guys"... it's just a more accurate account of history.  Pearl Harbor was not a surprise attack and it is exactly what the adminstration wanted.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:58 | 2051167 marcusfenix
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hence the reason why, that while the battleships were present and made an attractive target, the aircraft carriers were absent.

and all this time many thought it was sheer, dumb luck.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:17 | 2051524 Silver Dreamer
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Funny how that happened, ehh?  I'm sure that's just a coincidence.  har har

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:51 | 2051415 Kinskian
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 "Of all people, Pat Buchanan" .....

Why the surprise with Pat Buchanan? Were you expecting for Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann to write such a book?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:15 | 2051515 kridkrid
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well, I suppose because I do view him as a part of the establishment.  By in large, I don't see a lot of difference between a Chris Matthews and a Pat Buchanan.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:18 | 2051733 kridkrid
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There are a couple of people who have survived cable news that I can't figure out.  Dylan Rattigan on MSNBC for example.  I'm open to Bucahanan being one of them (if he does, in fact, end up surviving).  Maybe he's a truth teller.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:22 | 2052201 Randall Cabot
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They even moved the merchant traffic to the south of Hawaii so they wouldn't report the Japanese fleet moving into position in the north.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:47 | 2052236 Randall Cabot
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"Of course the US did goad the Japanese into war, but it was over a period of time much longer than is defined in just the McCollum Memo."

Would you care to elaborate?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:14 | 2052569 Augustus
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Of course you can try to rewrite history as muc h as you want.  The Japanese had taken on a misguided war against China.  Japan would have invaded and easily overtaken any other country in SE Asia if necessary to supply and enslave a population to further the China invasion.  The japanese were on this obvious path in 1937.  The US did not goad them into it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:54 | 2051132 AnAnonymous
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That is a proper handle, Judge. US citizen judge type.

Quotation:

in a 100% replica of the US-planned Japanese escalation that led to the Pearl Harbor attack, and gave America the green light to enter the war.

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Which as the good US citizen judge you are, do translate into:

The United States did not goad the Japanese into war

Some ground to attack on the hyperbolic bend (100pc replica) but still no war on whether or not Japan was at war or not.

Simply states that US, true to their US citizen nature, and their bulliness, wanted to appear like victims while antagonizing like horn Japan.

US citizens have not changed since 1776, their nature is eternal. They have used the same tricks and will use the same tricks.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:58 | 2051161 kridkrid
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Not just the US...

“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” --- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:15 | 2051224 AnAnonymous
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No. US citizens want wars.

Draft is ended. US citizens living in US of A lining up to join the military and what? Because they love living off blood money.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:29 | 2051287 Jendrzejczyk
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No we don't.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:33 | 2051315 AnAnonymous
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Yes, you do.

Draft is over. US citizens of A join the military out of free will.

Typical US citizenish cheap propaganda.

Time to act more violently to coerce people to see US citizens as US citizens want to be seen.

Gouging eyes, pulling out tongues, splitting ears, breaking fingers, this way, people wont report about what they witness to be the US citizen nature.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:02 | 2051657 hardcleareye
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Troll.....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:50 | 2052249 prole
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Anonnimouse, your posts are tiresome.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 22:45 | 2052926 Prometheus418
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The poor join the military because there are no other jobs to be had.  Most of the kids that do it have starry-eyed good intentions, and all of the vets I know oppose the bullshit wars when they get home.

They're not murderous monsters, by and large they're kids who have been fooled before they're old enough to know better.  Though in one respect you're right- sooner rather than later, actual Americans need to stand up and start saying "NO."

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:35 | 2051328 kridkrid
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kids without a lot of options being sold a bill of goods by military recruiters isn't the same as loving to live off of blood money.  The hook is still that same as from the quote above.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:54 | 2051431 AnAnonymous
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kids without a lot of options being sold a bill of goods by military recruiters isn't the same as loving to live off of blood money.

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Made me laugh.

You know, in the US of A, it is quite common to wish that people under the pang of hunger and who steal food are executed.

Kids without a lot of options? But comical.

Nobody says, especially not me, that living off blood money is not well rewarded in the US.

Better to quit the cheesy US propaganda.

US citizens have multiple options. But they certainly choose over others living off blood money.

We are not talking about starving kids here. Or people facing dirt poverty, bug bitten etc

And once again, in the US, it is common wish to want to execute people under the urge of hunger and who steal.

So please, cut down the fake excuses for US citizens joining the military.

They do it to kick start their life in a well rewarded manner and because they want to live off blood money.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:48 | 2051600 kridkrid
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I don't think I'm trying to make an excuse for them... just recognizing how pervasive and how successful the propaganda machine is.  I don't think they understand what they are signing up for, who it is that they are fighting for or against.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:33 | 2052639 Cathartes Aura
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indeed, most don't have a clue - however, bottom line is most don't care to know why they are being sent to kill other people in their own homelands, and to sign up for money, a job, or tuition - sign up to kill people for those "needs" - doesn't deserve respect, at the very least.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 00:54 | 2053435 kridkrid
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I agree with you there.  My point certainly isn't "we should respect the military"... or even the fools who are duped into signing up.   

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:29 | 2051764 ironmace
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Get a better translator.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:39 | 2051800 Iwanttoknow
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Kridkrid,

you are absolutely right.One of my neighbor's kid went to iraq.Thank god,neil came home in one piece.Now two others are going.They need college tuition.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:51 | 2051851 my puppy for prez
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I have defended some of your above posts, but I will not defend this one.  You are lumping ALL Americans into the warmonger boat, and that is simply wrong and intellectually dishonest.  I, for one, do not want these wars!  And I know many more that don't.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:29 | 2051293 frostfan
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OK the US had its ways to enter war but that's not unique.   Didn't Japan have to justify to their people the invasions of China and Korea?   Didn't Germany do the same with Poland?   Didn't a little thing like WWI start with an assasination?

My point is that Iran doesn't have to fire the first shot but will only do so if their powers that be think it's the only way they can keep power.  The catch-22 there is if they take on the US and get humiliated, the people might look at their own RG a little differently.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:37 | 2051337 AnAnonymous
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Oh it is not unique?

But, but, but, people at school told me that the US of A runs a unique experiment and in the end, US citizens are just like the others?

Words and US citizenism.

The destruction of language is not because of cognitive shit or something like that.

It is because of US citizenism as it puts constraints that languages can not endure.

Last point, the fun for the road.

Nazis and Imperial Japaneses learnt their lessons from their master, from their role model.

Who was that role model, that master to shadow? The US of A itself.

So yep, maybe the US is running a unique experiment after all.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 23:42 | 2053173 Alpha Monkey
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Maybe their role model was Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great.... Pretty sure imperialism has been around a while. 

http://www.fresno.k12.ca.us/divdept/sscience/history/devilfish.jpg  Before the squid, was the fish... which resembles the squid pretty well.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:57 | 2051154 sschu
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Facts are stubborn things when they do not fit into your world view.

From Wki

The Japanese invasion of Manchuria began on September 19, 1931, when Manchuria was invaded by the Kwantung Army of the Empire of Japan immediately following the Mukden Incident. The Japanese established a puppet state, called Manchukoku, and their occupation lasted until the end of World War II.

But of course FDR started the entire affair ... wait, he wasn't even President in 1931!

sschu

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:02 | 2051181 AnAnonymous
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Facts are stubborn things when they do not fit into your world view.

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What facts? Only US cheap propaganda.

Japan was at war (actually, it does not matter)

The US wanted to join the fray. But in order to do so, true to their US citizen nature, they wanted to appear like victims rather than victimizers.

So they engineered provocation over provocation so that Japan stroke at them,the US, giving them the face of the victims.

The sentence is quite clear.

By the way, Japan at war or not at war, it does not matter.

US citizens look for two things:

-resources to steal

-people to murder

Both Japan and Iran fit the bill.

So...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:25 | 2051268 sschu
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Thanks for making my point:

US citizens look for two things:

-resources to steal

-people to murder

When you start out with a conclusion, all facts lead to the same idea.

Not sure the US was that worried about WWII in 1931, but by 1940 after nearly 10 years of Japanese occupation of Manchuria, after the Japanese navy buildout, after Nanking, after Kristallnacht, after Munich etal, after Hitler's invasions of Poland and France, maybe it was time to take facism a bit more serious.

sschu

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:41 | 2051358 AnAnonymous
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Laughable.

What conclusion?

My addendum is separated to the point made.

The fact that Japan was at war prior attacking the US does not mean the US did not antagonize Japan into striking them.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:52 | 2051419 sschu
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With respect, not sure why the picture needs to be drawn for you, but so be it.

Your conclusion is that the US looks for resources to exploit and people to kill.  That was your starting point, so when presented with several counter arguments that are factual, you deem them laughable.

The roots of fascism and WWII are not based upon US antagonism.  Is the US perfect, far from it, but those pesky facts just do not seem to matter when a person's mind is made up.

sschu

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:05 | 2051478 AnAnonymous
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It sures needs to be drawn.

My starting point?

Woooo, US citizens shy before no propaganda.

No, my starting point was that Japan being at war prior or not does not exclude being antagonized into striking the US.

That was the starting point.

Nowhere the article states that Japan was not at war before Pearl Harbour attack.

The article states that the US provoked Japan into attacking the US.

That was the starting point. And the pesky facts.

And until you mind to explain how being already at war means that nobody can antagonize you into striking them, well, indeed, my mind is made up.

US cheap propaganda.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:48 | 2051841 my puppy for prez
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The bottom line is that FDR desperately needed an excuse to enter the war in order to convince the world of the need for the UN. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:20 | 2051537 Silver Dreamer
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Who's government is the fascist one now though?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:46 | 2051832 my puppy for prez
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He simply doesn't understand that TPTB funds ALL sides, ALL the time.

Caught in the dialectic, like so many....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:44 | 2051828 my puppy for prez
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And who helped FUND the fascists?  None other than the western banksters!  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:31 | 2051301 frostfan
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What resources were we stealing from Japan?  You sure that's not Japan stealing from China and Korea?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:39 | 2051348 sschu
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Resources to steal ...

Good point, Japan did not have resources, this was much of the intent of their aggression, acquire oil and rubber for their military machine.

But again, when you start with a conclusion, facts just do not seem to matter.

sschu

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:40 | 2051349 sschu
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Dup, sorry

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:45 | 2051377 AnAnonymous
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Obtuse, obtuse.

First, resources come in all flavours(like biological knowledge acquired by Japanese through torture and transfer to the US)

Second, but comical.

Japan stole from China and Korea.

Did not that mean they had resources to steal right after their theft?

Were those resources robbed from China and Korea were going to?

In an extortion game, not every body can be an extorter. Basic point.

Japan extorting from Korea and China left less room for the US to extort from Korea and China.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:21 | 2052594 Augustus
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What a nitwit.

Japan has no resources to steal.  That is why they were invading their neighbors, to get their resources and enslave the populations.

You seem to support that form of stealing and feel rage because the US opposed it.  I'll bet if the woman living next to you screamed she was being raped you would turn up Jay-Z on the speakers and take another big bong hit.  Why get involved?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:39 | 2051799 my puppy for prez
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Bill Engdahl's books "Century of War" and "Full Spectrum Dominance" would support those facts.  He also adds how the West worked behind the scenes to stir things up b/t the two countries.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2051168 Alpha Monkey
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Yeah, and Iran was well on it's way to a peaceful democratic society until the united states interviened with the CIA and orchestrated a coup, resulting in the replacement of an elected president with a western puppet shah. 

What brought about the coup?  Why, the nationalization of Iranian oil resources... you know, so that money could benefit the people instead a few corporations.

Should check out, "The revolution will not be televised" a documentary about Chavez that just happened to be filmed while the CIA attempted a military coup of Venezuela's leader.  What brought about the FAILED-coup?  Why, the nationalization of Venezuelian oil resources...

Maybe you'll see the trend... or maybe you wont.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:26 | 2052612 Augustus
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The CIA did not orchestrate a coup in Iran.

Moseddeq was a failed communist leader who was toppled by his own communist followers.  Both the Brits and Americans were surprised.

As to Chavez, Leaders and governments who steal property should be toppled.  That fellow has almost destroyed the economy of the country.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:10 | 2052101 Vlad Tepid
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You are clearly not a scholar of the Pacific War.  Japan was bogged down in an unwinnable quagmire of attrition in China.  They didn't have the manpower to go anywhere else.  The IJA was terrified that the USSR was sneaking up behind them and wanted to get back to Manchuria and the IJN was terrified that the war in China was alienating their two allies and trading partners - the US and UK.

The China war was stumbled into in a foreign-policy-by-military-coup and not as a matter of central government policy.  Even some of the architects of the unilateral (as in not government sponsored) Japanese attacks in China were by the late 30s desperately trying to pull out.  Look up Ishiwara Kanji if your interested.

Others have already suggested Hoover's treatment of the lead-up to war.  I also recommend to anyone who still thinks that the "America as a Goader" line is a rewrite to  Edward S Miller's Bankrupting the Enemy.  He is a very well-respected authority on prewar US-Japanese warplans as you would know if you were familiar with the scholarship.  Since your vocabulary indicates a level on intelligence, I suggest you put down the 7th grade history book and do some real reading.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 00:51 | 2053427 Tompooz
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Obama failed to support the Greens in iran because he is a fool.

 

No fool, that one. He does what he is told to do.

 


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:28 | 2050993 j0nx
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The Ferengi aint got shit on the current crop of hebrew banksters running this world now. All for profit, all the time, consequences be damned.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:40 | 2051067 slackrabbit
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i think your on to something here....the ferenge have taken over.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:28 | 2050994 AbruptlyKawaii
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this happened in 79 too not the first time

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:01 | 2052302 slewie the pi-rat
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welcome to clothing-optional zH, A_K_ii!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:29 | 2051003 props2009
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One of the best news ticker for traders: http://fnn24.com/?page_id=30722

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:29 | 2051005 Stu
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Iran lays the smackdown ?

In what appears as swift retaliation by Iran against U.S.-led economic sanctions imposed on the Persian Gulf state, suddenly Iran says it will no longer accept the U.S. dollar as payment for its oil shipments to India, Japan and China

Read more: http://www.beaconequity.com/cuban-missile-crisis-the-sequel-3000-gold-possible-2012-01-09/#ixzz1j570CQZl

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:54 | 2051427 frostfan
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If Iran wants to be paid in Rubles, Rupees or Yuan or Thai Bahts so be it.   Good luck doing something with them though or pretending that those currencies are rock solid.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:23 | 2051547 Silver Dreamer
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That's funny.  One of the main reasons ours maintains its value is because of its petro dollar status!  The less nations trading in it, the less "rock solid" it becomes.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:58 | 2051875 frostfan
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True but we're not talking that many or the ones that matter.   When Saudi and Canada and UAE stop accepting dollars, we got a problem.  It's still the same question, would you want to be paid in Euros or Rubles or Yuan rather than USD and why?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:33 | 2051026 carbonmutant
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Black Market Bitchez...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:35 | 2051031 Fix It Again Timmy
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The Persians will figure a way out, fear not....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:36 | 2051043 Odin
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So I'm sure I don't have to remind anyone on this site, but historically a declaration of full fledged war is very very bad for the market in the short term... Anyone still feeling bullish?.... oh wait nevermind that was the sheeple...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:44 | 2051087 slackrabbit
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fyi  there have been no declarations of war  for ten years......that requires congres......so why should this time be different?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:03 | 2051143 Dr. Engali
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Ten years? The only official wars the U.S has declared since WWII has been the war on drugs,poverty,.....U.S citizens(terror). All the other wars have been "police actions" or "kinetic activities" Iraq was an "authorized use of force" as was Afghanistan.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:06 | 2051192 Lets Eat Grandma
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FYI- The last official declaration of war signed by a president was in 1941. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:53 | 2051127 marcusfenix
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you gotta love DC's brand of "diplomacy". as we go to war the sociopaths in Washington will lament from their forked tongues that "we tried every means of peaceful resolution, we tried to be reasonable, we did not ask for this war, but we will not shy away from this heavy responsibility now that it has been thrust upon us."

that's right Iranian bitchez, if you don't play ball we will make sure you can't buy washing machines, laptops or food for your children for that matter, but hey, don't blame us cause we're the good guys, and we're here to help. you'll see things will be so much better after we bomb the shit out of you and bring in democracy, just look at Libya, Iraq or Egypt...ahh... ok maybe not the best of examples, but don't worry I promise you it will be different this time. just remember while thousands, possibly millions of you may die while we are busy liberating your oil, err, I mean you, it's all for the cause of freedom, democracy, peace and stability in the brave new world we are creating. 

note to Washington DC- in the event that China and/or Russia pile in after NATO attacks Iran, don't bother sending me a draft notice, I'd rather rot in prison then die for this juvenile, idiotic, delusional NWO propaganda bullshit that passes for US foreign policy these days. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:33 | 2051782 my puppy for prez
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Couldn't have said it better!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:44 | 2051825 andyupnorth
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+1

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:36 | 2052439 Augustus
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ImaDinnerJacket will not give you a prison cell for long.  You won't have time to rot, maybe not even digest one meal.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:56 | 2051153 treemagnet
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Wonder how Ben plans on playing this - besides a trainload of ink I mean.  Push reset here and it resets over there.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:00 | 2051160 steve from virginia
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All the oil producers are experiencng inflation/hyperinflation. Why should Iran be excluded.

Iranians hold dollars b/c their business in this world is trading their petroleum fpr dollars. Nobldy wants to buy their Korans.

Besides petroleum, dollars buy the world's goods. In order to buy anything not made in Iran (Korans) the Iranians must first buy dollars, with increasingly worthless Iranbucks. Inflation is the form currency arbitrage takes. It is also underway in Belarus, Hungary, Vietnam, China -- anywhere there are dollars or another reserve (petro) currency -- Brazil, soon to be in Greece, Spain, Portugal ...

This is the outcome of currency war. The dollar wins because there are so many of them everywhere. Local currencies have no chance. Even the euro is doomed by the mighty dollar. Euro, rouble, yen ... everything. You want yer world hegemony, you've got it.

Yuan is also doomed. Who would trade petroleum for plastic salad shooters and poison dog food? that's all you can buy with the yuan. ollar is next best thing to a gold-backed hard currency, because it is an oil-backed hard currency!

You can prove it to yourself any day of the week by going to gas station and filling up the tank. So do the Iranians.

Watch and see, the unraveling of the world's economies is underway, with the primary cause being the bottomless thirst for petroleum and world-wide availability of dollars. This is the 'fun part', the next phase is dollar-driven debt deflation where dollars cannot be had. The only exit will be for the world to go 'off oil'.

Don't blame Bernanky, monetary policy is made by millions of motorists around the world filling their tanks, setting the price of dollars.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:26 | 2051556 stewie
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I like your comment.  The petro-dollar recycliing thing allowing th US to export it's inflation and be the world reserve currency.  However I don't quite get some of your other arguments, maybe you care to expand:

1- Your dollar-driven debt deflation argument:  Foreigners own us debt, they don't need dollars they are being paid dollars, by the US, which can create more at will.  

2- Thirst for oil driving world's economy collapse:  The economic problems, as I understand it, is too much debt and not enough growth to keep expanding the ponzi fiat machine.  Until world oil production start declining, oil is not the problem.  There is spare capacity at the moment!

 

Thanks

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:19 | 2051735 ironmace
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Smithers, who is this young man? I like the cut of his jib.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:47 | 2051837 andyupnorth
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What about Canada, the loonie, and the oil sands?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2051169 Dcheeth2
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Magnitude 7.3 quake in the same area as the Boxing Day quake that caused the Tsunami.

Damn, few thousand miles short of where it needed to be, to put Iran off the map. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2051170 pragmatic hobo
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when US invaded IRAQ the 9/11 was used as the execuse. In ordre to hit IRAN similarly egregeous excuse will be needed. Otherwise the Chinese and Russian will not tag along and watch from the side as US and EU carve up the middle east. More than likely Chinese will flex their muscle and break any economic embargo no matter what Turbo Timmy says in his broken chinese.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:07 | 2051196 Dr. Engali
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They will need to provoke Iran to strike first. Russia and China will never go along with it regardless of the reason.I don't suspect they will sit back and do nothing either. 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:09 | 2051201 AnAnonymous
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No, probably not.

Nothing is needed.

You know, the story of the WMDs, Iraq involvement in 9,11 were tales to pretend in the face of the non US citizen world.

The US public does not need to be convinced because US citizens want wars, they thrive of them.

So it leaves the current situation:

-US citizens are up and ready, would want that war already started

-the non US citizen world is parted between wannabee US citizens who know that the group is all in US citizenism, and therefore will comply with the propaganda while knowing it is junk.

The remaining part knows the US citizen nature and the US wont bother fabricating lies for people who wont eat them.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:33 | 2052427 Augustus
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9/11 was never the reason for the invasion of Iraq.  You twist history faster than the NY Times can rewrite it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:07 | 2051198 steelhead23
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I suspect that somewhere in Obama's desk clutter there is an intelligence memo that reads almost exactly like McCollum's.  This U.S. fawning over Israel and SA to the point of putting crosshairs on Ahmadenijad's head shows that the will of the American people is far from the direction of their government.  My heart weeps for my Persian friends.  The highway of death is scheduled to run right through them.  Hell, they may not even wait for Pearl Harbor this time.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:10 | 2051211 RichardENixon
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Meanwhile Yahoo's top story is "8 Edgy Ways Beyonce Dressed Her Bump"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:18 | 2051236 BLOTTO
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BTW: Jay-Z is a musical lap dog of the Illuminati - the 'Prince and Princess(Beyonce) of Hip Hop'

He struts in his Rock-a-fella pyramid laced clothing...fuck him.

Lady Gaga and Rihanna, Kanye - all pieces of scum bag shit... brain washing - these are what the kids worships these days and listen to.

Everything they show us - including the celebrity bs is for an agenda... mind control, perverting, manipulating - its just not in financials...

The whole fuckin show is tainted. Tell me differently? Show me differently? Yeah, votes are going to kill the beast, fuck.

 

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:22 | 2051252 RichardENixon
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Hey relax guy, I was just trying to direct everyone to a really interesting little story about Beyonce.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:34 | 2051573 BLOTTO
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Oh thats sweet and they're lil baby - 'Buy Evil' ...err, 'Blue Ivy'

They rent out the whole wing of a hospital at a cost of 1.3 million and covered up security cameras and asked staff to surrender they're cell phones... like a bunch of fucks

And why did JayZ/Bey have to justify what the IV and number 4 represents..who fuckin cares

Really interesting story Bunker - stifle your ignorant self and wake up.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:59 | 2051648 RichardENixon
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I guess I'll have to start using the /sarc thing.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:06 | 2051681 BLOTTO
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Oh snap - sorry REN... my bad.

I thought you we're, but wasnt sure...im just having one of those daze...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:19 | 2051240 AnAnonymous
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And why not?

The US citizen nature is eternal.

US citizens have been the same way since 1776; July, 4th.

Do you know the meaning of routine?

Dont tell me you concentrate on every word in a meeting stating objectives and ways you already know by heart.

US denizens need to pay no attention to what is traditional behaviour in US citizenism.

They know the drills. Perfectly. And can skip the course and use up that time on entertainment.

It is not like the US was changing all of a sudden the content of the play book...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:36 | 2051332 in4mayshun
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Yesterday my local newspaper lead the front page with a story about how a local teacher is faring in retirement. I had to go down to the news office in person to tell them what dumbasses they are. And they wonder why newspapers are going bankrupt alll over the country....

If they wrote stories like this, sales would skyrocket

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:13 | 2051219 BLOTTO
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Iran is on the same team. They fund and own BOTH sides.

why?

To control the outcome of course.

They are about 33 moves ahead of us...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:36 | 2052653 Cathartes Aura
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"33" hmm.  ^^

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:19 | 2051242 chump666
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oil inflation will lead to war...and the manical central banks contiue to print ECB buys up Greek waste via the FED backstopping.  Oil will go to 110, gold is bid and indexes will start to top out.   China then has millions of workers lose their minds as food/fuel prics start to hyper inflate. 

Obama s finished.  He declared economic war on Iran by attacking their currency, all Iran has to do is send inflation back to the west and China via the oil price send it to 150.  

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:20 | 2051245 MrBoompi
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I know!  Let's just say they have WMDs!!  The public always falls for that one.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:26 | 2051271 AldoHux_IV
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All in all more rhetoric to back up the central planners' will to use war as another distraction from the real crime against humanity we call the current global ponzi.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:27 | 2051278 847328_3527
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watch oil hit $220 by summer...

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