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IAEA Confirms Iran Has Started 20% Uranium Enrichment

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The geopolitical foreplay is getting ridiculous. At this point it is quite obvious that virtually everyone involved in the US-Israel-Iran hate triangle is just itching for someone else to pull the trigger. And the latest report out of the IAEA will only precipitate this. Who - remember the IAEA? The same IAEA which did not find nukes in Iraq in 2003 only to be overriden by Dick "WMD" Cheney to "justify" an invasion. As RIA reports:  "The International Atomic Energy Agency officially confirmed that Iran has started enriching uranium to the 20-percent level, which can easily be turned into fissile warhead material. "The IAEA can confirm that Iran has started the production of uranium enriched up to 20 percent using IR-1 centrifuges in the Fordo Fuel Enrichment Plant," the agency said in a statement. However, IAEA Spokeswoman Gill Tudor said that all nuclear materials and operations in the Fordo facility are “under the Agency's containment and surveillance."" Naturally, that leaves the "use of uranium" variable quite subjective and in the hands of political manipulation. Which means at this point it is only a matter of days before the meme that Iran already has nuclear warheads becomes actively adopted by warmongers everywhere.

From RIA:

Iranian officials earlier said the Fordo plant, deep inside the mountains near the central Iranian city of Qom, was build to produce 20-percent uranium needed for a research reactor in Tehran, which produces medical isotopes to treat cancer patients.


The head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) Fereydoon Abbasi said last August that Iranian authorities planned to transfer all enrichment facilities from a plant in Natanz to Fordo, citing insufficient security.


He also said Iran had no plans to enrich uranium to higher than 20 percent.


The news is likely to further increase tensions between Iran and the West over the country’s clandestine nuclear research. Western nations suspect Iran of pursuing a secret weapons program while Tehran says it needs nuclear research for peaceful energy purposes. Negotiations have been stalled for 12 months.


The IAEA statement has already triggered harsh statements from diplomats in the United States and Europe.

And just like back in 2003 Iraq, the IAEA's finding will be used, if in a completely perverted fashion. Too bad Dick Cheney is not around to show how gross disinformation propaganda is really done:

"This is a further escalation of their ongoing violations with regard to their nuclear obligations," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters.


"The fact that the IAEA has made clear that they are enriching to a level that is inappropriate at Fordo is obviously a problem," she went on.


UK Foreign Secretary William Hague described the move as "a provocative act that undermines claims that the program is civilian in nature."


The German foreign ministry expressed hope that the European Union will agree on a fresh round of sanctions against Iran during a meeting on January 30, because the start of operations at Fordo was “a step of further escalation.”


“With it, the international community’s concern that the Iranian nuclear program is serving military purposes is growing,” the ministry said in a statement. “So long as Iran does not move, there is no alternative to tough sanctions,” the statement said.

If at this point anyone is missing the parallels to 2003, we suggest getting bigger glasses. Our prediction is that within 2 years Ahmedinejad will be found by the US Army deep in some foxhole, to make the Iraq replica complete.

Our only hope is that by then the entire Middle East is not covered in radioactive glass.

Finally, to anyone assuming China (and Russia) will sit idly by and wait as its marginal oil producer is subsumed by the west, even as it is now expected to overtake the US in oil imports in under 2 years, we have for sale a 5th lien on a reverse Chinese IPO of a company building bridges to non-existing timberlands.


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Mon, 01/09/2012 - 18:53 | 2047954 Gubbmint Cheese
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War is bullish.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:05 | 2047982 DoChenRollingBearing
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Oh that's just great.  Now Iran is escalating this...

Maybe at the end of the day they will just make their damn nukes and the world will just deal with it like they have with India and Pakistan with The Bomb.  North Korea is close too.

But, North Korea and Iran are run by nuts!  Not just plain old psychopaths like here, but psychos who are INSANE!  Who knows what will happen?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:17 | 2048011 LetThemEatRand
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That government propaganda you've been soaking in sure does keep the hands supple and soft, doesn't it.    Softens hands while it creates mindless citizen cheerleaders for yet another needless war.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:20 | 2048025 ihedgemyhedges
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SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!!!!!  Trying to get ready for the Bama/LSU game here.......I'm sure Katie Couric or whoever in the hell is on the news any more will break in if something important happens..........

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:33 | 2048066 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Who is the sideline reporter?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:41 | 2048080 ihedgemyhedges
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It ain't Erin Andrews, she's hangin' with me tonight...................

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:48 | 2048099 The Big Ching-aso
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Mexico is gonna have phuckin' nukes the way things are going.  What R we gonna do, bomb the entire phuckin' planet with nukes to prevent nukes?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:51 | 2048118 Triggernometry
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Either nobody should have nukes, or everybody should.  Nothing other than a level nuclear playing field is stable in the long term.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:58 | 2048138 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Why is Israel even a State? 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:04 | 2048158 NotApplicable
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We needed something else to fight over, duh!

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:35 | 2048237 Hugh_Jorgan
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Cheney was one man and he didn't have the media in his back pocket like the current administration. Why does the author dwell on "tricky" Dick Cheney, while describing the new version of the same theater that is developing before his eyes by a completely different cadre of evil dirtbags?

He could have saved everyone a bad read by paraphrasing "Wow, it is getting real scary in the Middle east. Oh by the way; GRRRRRRRR, I HATE that Dick Cheney!"

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:40 | 2048246 escargot
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I hear you....and yet, I find it hard to be offended or annoyed in any way at all by someone dwelling on how much Cheney sucks.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:20 | 2048491 Comay Mierda
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Aren't these the same geniuses that "confirmed" WMDs in Iraq?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:02 | 2048715's picture
Highly enriched uranium (HEU)

Highly enriched uranium (HEU) has a greater than 20% concentration of 235U or 233U. The fissile uranium in nuclear weapons usually contains 85% or more of 235U known as weapon(s)-grade, though for a crude, inefficient weapon 20% is sufficient (called weapon(s)-usable);[2][3] some argue that even less is sufficient[citation needed], but then the critical mass for unmoderated fast neutrons rapidly increases, approaching infinity at 6%235U.[4] For critical experiments, enrichment of uranium to over 97% has been accomplished.[5]

The very first uranium bomb, Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, used 64 kilograms of 80% enriched uranium.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:12 | 2049023 Betty Swallsack
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20%?! Say it ain't so! Imagine. Medical isotopes and nuclear power. Ahhh! 2 points here: Iran is legally able to enrich uranium as they are a signatory member to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, and 2nd, 95% enrichment is required to make weapons.  But the sky is falling over 20% enrichment.  What a yawner.

As the US is also a signing member to the NPTT, all this noise could be squelched if they acted in accordance as a signing member and assisted Iran in it's nuclear enrichment and power ambitions, then they'd know full-well what is going on instead of ignoring IAEA inspection reports.  If I'm not mistaken, the US is legally obligated to do just that, acorrding to the NPTT.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:46 | 2049106's picture


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:14 | 2049897 Betty Swallsack
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...And in this corner...

From AP:

[Panetta] says Iran is laying the groundwork for making nuclear weapons someday, but is not yet building a bomb and called for continued diplomatic and economic pressure to persuade Tehran not to take that step.


Iran says its nuclear program is only for energy and medical research, and refuses to halt uranium enrichment.

...and they don't have to as Iran has the legal right to do so, in accordance with the NNPT and the IAEA.


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:59 | 2048710 Socrate
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Is there anyone who still trusts IAEA?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:45 | 2048928 TradingTroll
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I trust them completely to push nuclear as safe for man, even useful. Codex alimentarus says all food needs irradiating. If WHO has a news rellease IAEA decides on its release-or not

Trust them to do what they have always done-you won't be disappointed

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:50 | 2048264 LetThemEatRand
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What main stream media exactly was not behind Cheney and Bush before the Iraq war?  I remember not being able to stomach any MSM at all during the lead up to shock and awe because it was all consistent pro-war propaganda.  I don't think there was a single major news source that seriously questioned the merit of bombing the Taliban either.  The wars themselves were covered like a football game.  You're not buying that whole left-wing media crap, are you?  The Red Team and the Blue Team are the same.  They are both owned and operated by oligarchs, and the supposed differences between left and right are there to keep you voting for your favored team.  

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:56 | 2048694 12ToothAssassin
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I marvelled at Red State vs Blue State the first POTUS election cycle. I couldnt help but marvel at the genius and how it so simplified and distilled the we into us versus them.


Pure genius.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:48 | 2048936 TruthInSunshine
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Tastes Great vs Less Filling


Bread & Circus


Ignorance is Strength

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:47 | 2049110's picture

The walrus was Paul.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:35 | 2048238 Randall Cabot
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It's the capital of the One World Government-Solomon's Temple, Wailing Wall, that sort of thing.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:00 | 2048441 jerry_theking_lawler
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don't forget knights templar....

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:04 | 2048450 Randall Cabot
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Right. Those dudes ended up in Scotland in the 1300s and morphed into the Freemasons which were later infiltrated by the jewish Illuminati starting in the 1700s..

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:05 | 2048451 Conrad Murray
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Or the Black Pope.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:10 | 2048470 Randall Cabot
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Jesuits also infiltrated by the Illuminati.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 09:04 | 2049733 Think for yourself
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So it's all the same faction, different and infighting on the surface yet all luciferians at the core. Look up who Ignatius de Loyola was...

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:38 | 2048386 Ewe235
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It helped ease the guilt of the western powers for closing their borders in WW2 and ensuring they went up in smoke.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:43 | 2048249 covsire
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That sounds great, until you consider we already have a suicide cult nearly 2Billion in size.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:03 | 2048293 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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US armed forces?

And I'll say I have a lot of friends in the military, and I love them, but I will never understand why any of them join up, other than they think they can make a difference, which isn't a good reason considering they won't.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:39 | 2048390 Sabibaby
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They get a paycheck, three square meals, and place to sleep. What are you offering?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:31 | 2048861 cranky-old-geezer
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Sorta takes the wind out of "protecting American freedom" and "defending the Constitution" and all that.

I wonder what percentage really do sign up for a 3 squares a bunk and a paycheck ...and "see the world", can't forget that.

... no, actually I don't wonder, couldn't care less.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:54 | 2048126 johnu78
Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:24 | 2048214 Doña K
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Oh! Dear Tyler, time to reinstitute IQ tests before posting at ZH. Please!

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:26 | 2048502 IndicaTive
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show us your tits.   :)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 06:12 | 2049534 Sunshine n Lollipops
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Oh, I see your still trying to sell your truck. What a fantastic idea. This is the absolute perfect place to try to do that. Wouldn't it be great if Tyler added a classified ads section so people don't have to keep going to your ebay link? He could have a Deal of the Day page like ebay, too. Yeah, that's what we need. Until then, I guess people will have to advertise here the old-fashioned way. BTW, if a ZH reader buys it, does Tyler get a cut?

"Preach it, brother, preach it?" Gawd you're a fucking tool.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:00 | 2048143 lemonobrien
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fuck yeah, "cruel to be kind".

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:16 | 2048317 xela2200
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Mexico? Man, the only country in this continent with Nukes is the USA.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 06:34 | 2049556 Mitzibitzi
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I wouldn't bet big money on that one. During the Cold War, a whole bunch of nukes were emplaced in friendly countries, including Canada, and dual control authority was granted over them.

While officially they were all repatriated into the US afterward, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if a few are still strategically scattered all over - on the principle that it's harder to guard against a warhead incoming from an unexpected direction. Especially if it's fired from relatively short range on a sneaky low-altitude cruise missile.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:52 | 2048114 BigJim
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OH MY GOD!!!! THE IRANIANS ARE ENRICHING THEIR URANIUM TO 20%!!!! *runs around room wild-eyed with terror*

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:03 | 2048154 Triggernometry
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There does seem to be superfluous panic in the article, but 20% enrichment is something of a magic number because a large enough amount of 20% enriched uranium can be quickly spun to enough material at super-critical purity to make a weapon.

Iran simply seeks "breakout capacity," which is to maintain the ability to quickly weaponize as a contingency.  It is obviously a defensive nuclear strategy.  Nobody who isn't a fervent zionist zealot actually thinks Iran is dumb enough to assemble one nuclear device, then use it against the most powerful declared nuclear arsenal, or the most powerful undeclared nuclear arsenal.

Given the history in the middle east in the past 5 decades, theres only one country which concerns me, and its not islamic.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:37 | 2048243 Randall Cabot
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You must mean the country that attacked the USS Liberty and murdered 34 American sailors and tried to blame it on Egypt?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:13 | 2048310 Pay Day Today
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And for completeness, please state how many Iranians the Americans murdered in the same conflict.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:51 | 2048423 Randall Cabot
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The USS Liberty attack was during the 1967 War, no Iranians involved.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:54 | 2050798 wkwillis
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Technically, the Iranians were supporting us at the time, because the Shah was still in charge in 1967. Only technically, because they probably didn't really care one way or the other how many American ships were sunk by the Israelis, or the other way around.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:31 | 2048364 lakecity55
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The same country made up mostly of Khazar "jews,"/zionists, not blood jews per se.

If average Christian Americans would study the history of the Khazars, they might not be so willing to go nuts over Israel.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:59 | 2048436 Randall Cabot
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Ever wonder why so many jews look European? Because they are: modern DNA testing is proving that many jews have European genetics. Up until around the 5th century AD jews actively converted the locals in the European countries that they migrated to.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:02 | 2048444 Conrad Murray
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The support of the Synagogue of Satan isn't due to a lack of understanding regarding lineage, although it certainly doesn't help, so much as it is due to the typical Red Team vs Blue Team stupidity.

That said, if average Christian Americans would even bother to simply read their holy book(as opposed to going to Church once in a while to show off a new suit, or try to fuck their neighbor's wife or little son), or study the deceptive nature of its creation, they would be a lot better off.

But, let all the sinners go on sinning. Let them bask in their ignorance and consumerist idolatry of crucifixes and New Testament Paulism. The wrath of god will be sure and just, and the fires of Hell burn fiercely in wait.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 04:11 | 2053678 eurogold
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:50 | 2049120 frostfan
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I don't recall Israel ever denying they did it but go ahead and make things up since you're talking about Israel, right?   Please don't link me to a blame Israel for everything website which makes up half their stuff.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:03 | 2048155 francis_sawyer
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It's a fucking joke...

Iran could BUY ITSELF probably an arsenal of a couple dozen nukes in about 5 seconds if they wanted...


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:51 | 2048269 disabledvet
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why buy when you can just steal it from their buddies in Pakistan...

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:41 | 2048396 Sabibaby
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I bet the ATF would sell them some to find out where the ring leader is. 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:59 | 2048438 thatthingcanfly
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"Hell, if I buy a dozen I can get a discount."

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 04:46 | 2049484 Morpheus A. Wakes
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Bakers dozen?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:41 | 2048898 cranky-old-geezer
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Of course it's a joke.  Iran doesn't need a single nuke.  Russia and China will give Iran all they need ...and even launch 'em ...on their own missles extra charge :)

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 14:03 | 2062316 SillySalesmanQu...
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LMAO + 100

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:20 | 2048183 Pegasus Muse
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And what about Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program?  Isn’t it about time the IAEA confirm/refute allegations that Israel has been enriching uranium and building nuclear weapons for at least 30 years, as documented by nuclear technician turned whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu? 

Some experts speculate Israel has 100s of nucs.  It is curious that western mainstream media never covers the story.  I wonder why?  Isn’t Israel, being the only nuclear capable country in the region, a destabilizing force in the Middle East?   

The IAEA should inspect Israel, but I guess Israel won't let them in.  It accuses others while hiding its own activities.  Allow the IAEA to inspect!  All this contrived angst about Fordo.  How about giving us a guided tour of Dimona and your other nuclear facilities, Israel?


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:20 | 2048209 trav7777
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there's the matter, too, of that apparent nuclear test conducted jointly by the Israelis and South Africans.  I think sanctions are in order.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:41 | 2048556 akak
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Damn, just think of the possibilities there Trav! 

If both sides there had a nuclear war, there goes your kikes and your niggers in one fell swoop!  Two inferior birds killed with one nuclear stone!  Then, with the fucked-up DNA of the survivors, you could sweep in and justify your genocidal eugenics program in the name of "human racial health".  The very thought of it is beautiful enough to make you weep for joy. 
Make YOU weep, that is.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:21 | 2049051 israhole
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akak can't undertand why nobody cares about his bitch tits.  ;)

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:40 | 2048893 mkkby
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Except Israel didn't sign the NPT.  Iran did.

But hey, Iran has oil, doesn't trade in USD, and doesn't knuckle under to the central banksters.  Why would they ever need nukes to defend themselves?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 04:55 | 2053698 eurogold
eurogold's picture are right about Israel's arsenal. And no you won't here about an IAEA inspection happening there because Israel can do whatever they usual.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:22 | 2048035 SheepDog-One
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Like the people in OUR govt arent a bunch of nuts?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:32 | 2048227 Oracle of Kypseli
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"The US will never ever use nukes." Who said that?

Well! They used them before. However the above statement is correct, 'cause at the moment they don't have to.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:05 | 2048296 Oracle of Kypseli
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BTW: You all should know how the US pulled an unprovoked coup d'etat to the peaceful kingdom of Hawaii. Shame!

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:17 | 2048324 CompassionateFascist
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Peaceful but boring. War excites us all. Deport all Samoans.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:24 | 2048334 xela2200
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Hawaii was the only state forced to join the union even after they politely refused.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:09 | 2048465 Conrad Murray
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+1 just for an angelfire link. Makes me think of Tripod too. Facebook before anyone knew what Facebook was.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:54 | 2048679 Socratic Dog
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What about RE-join.  A few more than one, eh.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 01:52 | 2049265 Urban Redneck
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TPTB learned that they could get the US Government to raise a huge army and spill blood to satisfy their financial interests and facilitate economic domination and resource control, while marketing it as something as something more noble.  You would think that some might have picked up on this... 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:24 | 2048042 AchtungAffen
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In my humble view, leaders of the west are as crazy and mentally deranged as you consider those brown leaders the other half the way around. In fact, I'm starting to think Mahmoud is way saner than those at the helm of the US (who are completely irresponsible, they don't have to "respond" to anybody, thus they live in that ivory tower working on their platitudes and domino theories which actually have little or no relation to reality. But they'll bomb you for them).

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:53 | 2048125 BigJim
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In all the interviews I've heard with Ahmedinnerjacket, he comes across as considerably more sane than most of the idiots 'we' routinely elect.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:40 | 2048392 pods
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Alot smarter too.


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:54 | 2048275 disabledvet
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they are crazy. isn't it phuckin' awesome?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:30 | 2048057 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The whole world is run by a group of nut jobs.  NK couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with their launching capabilities, and the IAEA is lying.  Ask yourself why this news came out now, when last anyone heard, Iran was years away from enriching.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:51 | 2048116 CrazyCooter
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I have been kind of chewing on this subject for a while ... it seems pretty "easy" for either China or Russia to slide Iran a few nukes under the table ... both nations have shit tons of these things laying around ... it seems to be the lowest cost geo-political solution to protect Iran from a ground invasion.

If Iran slings a nuke, there may be retaliation, but knocking off the oil supplies and screwing up the whole nation isn't exactly going to fix the oil supply problem.

Pure speculation ... but I kind of assume that Iran has a few of someone elses nukes standing by ...



Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:05 | 2048162 francis_sawyer
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Oh... there you go... Sorry... I didn't read down this far yet... (my 'similar' comments above)...

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:44 | 2048258 Doña K
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What if, all top powers really want war? Talking about deranged leaders, isn't that possible?

They all have problems to cover up, they wipe the slate clean, depopulate a bit and start over again with coke (both kinds) opium, hopium, reefers, blue jeans, subculture music, hypnotics, Garbazian TV shows, GM foods and total control of their own populance.

Is that possible?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:50 | 2048265 Oracle of Kypseli
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Is it also possible that Ahmadinejad is actually a CIA agent?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:59 | 2048284 francis_sawyer
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What if, all top powers really want war? Talking about deranged leaders, isn't that possible?

Sure it's possible... PROBABLE, in fact... But ther "nuke" part of it is just the ticket in the door...

In the end, everybody knows it's just another shitty ass WAR FOR OIL... But on the big stage it's played like a TEXAS HOLD 'EM hand...

Iran is "short stacked" (chip wise), but holding A-K suited pre-flop... US is "on the button" holding 2-7 off suit... Let the fun begin...


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:49 | 2048645 MalthusWasRight
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GeoPoliticalStars Real Money Table

Dealer: Israel

Hand 2012


Russia (SB): 30BB

China (BB): 40BB

Iran (CO): 7BB


Pre-flop: Dealt to Iran AdKd Iran bets 7BB all-in, USA folds, Russia Folds, China Folds


Iran wins 1.5BB with AdKd


Iran is still short stacked with 8.5BBs after winning the blinds; in all likelihood they will be busto very quickly (unless Russia and/or China start chip dumping, of course...) 


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:32 | 2048864 FeralSerf
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It's more a war against oil competition.  If Iran were allowed free access to the oil markets, the price the majors get might be much less.  TPTB need control over all major oil supplies.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:56 | 2048277 disabledvet
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that's why us..."the cool people of the West" should cut off the Straits of Yourmooo's first!

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:44 | 2048921 mkkby
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Cooter, they don't have to "sling" a nuke.  All they have to do is an underground test.  Then they'll be left alone.  Forever.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:05 | 2048454 Whoa Dammit
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"Ask yourself why this news came out now, when last anyone heard, Iran was years away from enriching."

To give the NeoCons the war they have had a hard on about for years, and to make sure Ron Paul's foreign policy looks dumb so he doesn't get elected, all in one fell swoop.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 01:26 | 2049202 booboo
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Why would it make Ron Paul look dumb, they have been harping about Iran getting nukes, the Norks getting nukes, the pakis, hey, news flash, WTF has our current crop done to prevent them in the last twenty years? Nada, zip, zero. So who the fuck looks dumb, Paul or the status quo? God damn, don't anyone do any critical thinking anymore or does everyone hear the msm parrot shit and say, "yea, we gotta stop this shit, vote dempublican/republicrat" We are fighting the Axis of Stupidity in the country.



Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:50 | 2048107 old naughty
Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:19 | 2048208 Endurus
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America doesn't need nuclear enemies to take it down.
The true enemies(FED, IMF, CFR etc...) realized long ago that they can bleed us to death financially.
Look at what happened to Rome... long protracted wars in remote locations and monetary corrpution at the highest levels lead to it's collapse and the dark ages.

That's what the elite bankers want... to reinstitute the dark ages (enslave us by: limiting our freedoms: SOPA, Homeland Security, TSA, Nortnern Command which can bypass Posse Comitattus, banking regulations that lmit how often you can trade your own money, Firearms legislation...)

In reality, the shadow rulers would love nothing more than for an Iranian Nuclear device to detonate in an American City.
Once that happened, the Sheeple by and large would voluntariliy hand over their freedom and rights for just a chance at security.

It's our job to make sure that doesn't happen by holding these thugs in check.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:22 | 2048338 lakecity55
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Right on! Our (USA) enemies are the Banksters and the Congress and phony-ass president they bought with money from our taxes!

If those vile, evil Iranians nuked DC and wiped out all the politicians I would be beside myself with sorrow.

They could do it with a tramp steamer and a short-range missle fired right off the coast. That way it would not have to carry their persian-powered nukular  device too far.

Gosh, that would be terrible. I hope Ahm a Dinner Jacket never gets an idea like that!

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:52 | 2048424 RiverRoad
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If Iran was ever stupid enough to bomb Israel guess where the fallout will blow.....Nobody's nukin' nobody over there.  That's why Japan was the target and not Germany. 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:26 | 2048839 TheFourthStooge-ing
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DoChenRollingBearing, in a manner uncharacteristic of his normally reasonable and rational demeanor, said:

Oh that's just great.  Now Iran is escalating this...

Please, take a deep breath. There's no need to subject any bearings to unnecessary stress. This is not a new development. In February 2010, nearly two years ago, Iran announced that it would begin enrichment of uranium to 20 percent U235. On February 18, 2010, the IAEA confirmed Iran's ability to enrich up to 19.8% U235. Iran has provided notification of its enrichment and production plans, and the entire process has been conducted under the observation of IAEA inspectors. Technically, uranium enriched to this level is still not considered highly enriched uranium.


A year ago, Iran announced that international sanctions were resulting in a shortage of radioisotopes used in the treatment of 850,000 people suffering from cancer, heart disease, and kidney disease. They even offered their supply of low-enriched uranium as partial payment in exchange for fuel for the Tehran Research Reactor and tried to work out a deal with the United States, Russia, and France. If Iran hadn't been backed into a corner, they never would have needed to begin enrichment to 20 percent U235.

source 1:,1518,670402,00.html

source 2:

Ironically, but not surprisingly, the policy of the United States, trying to bully Iran into obedience, has been the driving force behind Iran's advances in enrichment technology. When you hear the hand-wringers bemoaning Iran's "violations", keep in mind that the violations are not of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but of various sanctions imposed by the UN Security Council. This might have been of significance had the UN Security Council not rendered itself irrelevent through its hypocricy. As a simple analogy, when the cops, courts, and legislators are all on the take, respect for the law deservedly withers and dies.

But, North Korea and Iran are run by nuts!  Not just plain old psychopaths like here, but psychos who are INSANE!

Iran has been cooperative with the IAEA and has been in compliance with their obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. They have offered to impose additional restrictions on their nuclear program which exceed their legal obligations, and have even offered to open the program to joint US participation. All of their positive gestures and offers have been either ignored or rejected by the US, which has chosen instead to respond with assassinations, covert attacks, and overt threats.


Now tell me, which actions are really insane: those of Iran or those of the United States?

Lastly, there are two rather suspicious aspects of the original RIA story:

1) There is no byline to indicate who might have written it.

2) The very first sentence asserts that uranium enriched to 20 percent U235, "can easily be turned into fissile warhead material," but provides no source whatsoever for this specious and inflammatory claim. By placing this claim in the same sentence with a statement from the IAEA, they want you to believe that this claim somehow carries the authority of the IAEA. It is a deliberate attempt to deceive the reader.

DoChen, you're a decent person with good intentions. Sit back, relax, perhaps become DoChenRollingDoobie for a night, and give this some thought. Don't be tricked into drinking the kool-aid.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:43 | 2049099 DoChenRollingBearing
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"DoChen, you're a decent person with good intentions. Sit back, relax, perhaps become DoChenRollingDoobie for a night, and give this some thought. Don't be tricked into drinking the kool-aid."

Mm-kay, I will go ahead and have an extra drink this evening.  Good idea!  You showed great courtesy and research in your thoughtful critique.

+ 1

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 02:11 | 2049310 JOYFUL
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+1000 to that exchange. Instead of writing birthday greets, I think I'll just point it out here:  ZH -

where the adults come to sort through the muck, n sort out their differences....with wit, class, and a touch of the macabre....Thanks ZH, for making it possible! [Dennis Ferrer & Kenny Bobien - Grateful [Fanatix Mix]

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 08:21 | 2049668 AnAnonymous
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You showed great courtesy and research in your thoughtful critique.

Made me laugh.

Nope, he only consumed resources on a lost cause.

US citizens are duplicitous. They know all that shit, they are doing themselves.

The very idea that US citizens ignore their own actions and need a lawful ground to aggress is disingenous.

What are US citizens looking for? Resources to steal and people to murder.

Iran provides both. Full stop.

I give this peculiar US citizen six months before he goes again singing the same song, after reading the "thoughtful critique"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:30 | 2050212 JOYFUL
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ohh. Ya...

and then there's the bottom feeders.  I forgot about youse, in a moment of birthday cheer euphoria & bonhomie. Oh well, back to reality. Goaders\shills\& halfwit trolls. Oh MY!

AnAnonymous: sowing discord in a sea of intelligent discourse, since like, forever....may ye reap what ya sow moron!!!!!!!!


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:18 | 2050438 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous: insane butthole, viewing the world through his personal cloak of paranoia that he calls "American citizenism".


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 08:31 | 2049680 AnAnonymous
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This is not a new development.


Who cares?

This is a US driven world.

What US citizens look for? Resources to steal and people to murder.

Iran provides both in good quantities and easy to crop manner.

That is all what matters.

What Iranians do is irrelevant to the biz.

No matter their level of compliance, they wont escape the fact they provide both things US citizens look for.

Thanks to the war against Iraq, we already know that US citizens have already reached the bottom of requesting evidences of existence of something that do not exist.

At this time, it is safe to quit the game.

US citizens go in for resources and murder.

The rest are just propagandists, be they US citizens tell that there are other reasons to strike like that IIEA comity or US citizens trying to show that the reasons do not exist.

All those reasons are irrelevant to the decision making process. Just propagandists enabling each other.

Who cares if Iraq had or not WMDs?

Had resources to steal and people to murder.

Which is enough for US citizens to go in.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:19 | 2050444 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You really shouldn't be skipping your medications.


Wed, 01/11/2012 - 03:50 | 2053663 Element
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the policy of the United States, trying to bully Iran into obedience, has been the driving force behind Iran's advances in enrichment technology.


You need to understand the Iranians were handed uranium enrichment technology on a platter as early as 1989.  They are not making 'advancements' here, that is only a ruse for the MSM bullshit machine, they already have this tech fully figured out and have been using it for about two decades. They probably achieved 20% enrichment levels by the mid-1990s.

And that's a reality no one quite wants to face yet, at least not publically.

See comments:


Iran has been playing this reality out for the past decade.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 05:17 | 2053712 Element
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2) The very first sentence asserts that uranium enriched to 20 percent U235, "can easily be turned into fissile warhead material," but provides no source whatsoever for this specious and inflammatory claim.


That is in fact true.

The higher the enrichment percent (natural U-235 level is 0.72%) the faster and easier it is to reach higher and higher percentages of enrichment, as there is less and less 'contaminant' U-238 to separate out.

But as you approach naval reactor grades (~95% U235) the law of diminishing returns kicks in, and the process becomes slower and less worth the effort to obtain higher purity. It also becomes more self-reactive in smaller quantities, at higher enrichment, so smaller and smaller amounts can be processed to a higher levels. It's dangerous shit at that level.

One of the reasons high purity is needed is because the fissile material U235 (0.72% of natural uranium oxide) is about 35 times less radioactive than the non-fissile U-238, which makes up the bulk of natural uranium oxide.  This matters as it is the neutrons released by that radiation that can pre-trigger an explosion in a critical mass, (triggering it nano-seconds too early) leading to a low-yield (a 'dud'). So not only are you trying to increase the fissile fraction from 0.72% to about 92.5% U-235, you are also trying to decrease the NET radioactivity remaining in the 7.5% to 10% of U-238.

The lower that radioactivity, and the higher the purity, the simpler the design and triggering and efficiency control issues become. The USA and Russia determined that 92.5% purity provided the optimal level of enrichment for flexible efficient warhead design purposes.

This is why any bomb with a purity below about 60% U-235 will be very low yield no matter what imp0losive design or assemble via fast hi-explosives you use with it. This is because this radioactive decay of the neutrons from the remaining ~40% of U238 creates insurmountable pre-ignition problems, that causes the chain reaction to begin earlier than the ideal moment, and therefore the energy level rises to sharply too early, in the core, and this heat causes the core to expand and come apart, when it should still be compressing and getting denser from implosion inertia. So it gets less dense before it has reached the critical density for maximum neutron production, and for the fastest atom splitting rate, before it finally blows itself apart and ends the reaction.

But enrichment does get rapidly faster as you increase above civil power generation and research reactor grades, and that is why having a very large stock of say 50 tonnes of 20% enriched feedstock would be a concern, because at that point you really are very close to being able to quite rapidly produce dozens of genuine weapon-grade cores at will.

So Iran saying it will enrich a large quantity of feedstock to 20% HEU, is very provocative. In fact it's so provocative that I don't think Iran would dare to do that, unless they already possessed a dozen or so genuine weapon-grade HEU munitions, produced from an earlier smaller and secret enrichment program.

Iran is effectively saying, we are a nuclear power and we can deliver, and we can do whatever we wish and we don't need your permission, STFU and don't try anything stupid.

In the context of the Strait situation, and the sanctions, that's a clear and sharp escalation, and clarification of the Iranian position and their intent.

The Western world needs to be very careful about any further escalation and should be seriously considering calling-off the oil trade embargo and financial isolation.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:11 | 2049018 dr.charlemagne
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Don't forget, Mohammed El Baradai was recently installed as dictator of the sunni country Egypt. His prior post, Head of IAEA. Sunni Arabia and Egypt would very much prefer that Shiite Iran not have the bomb.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 16:19 | 2051533 e-recep
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guess which one and only friggin country used nuclear bombs to murder civilians.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 04:40 | 2051534 e-recep
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oops, double post. damn ipad.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:46 | 2048095 Taint Boil
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The geopolitical foreplay is getting ridiculous


I think I got it figured out, all of these warmongers must have small penises and they feel like a big man when they invade, bomb or “free” another country. Wait Ron Paul is the only one who doesn’t want war so that means …… wait a minute now I get it. Ron Paul / Ron Jeremy, both start with Ron, coincidence? I think not.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:05 | 2048298 downrodeo
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"War is bullish"

i'd like to amend this to say 'war is bullshit'

i'm giving this to march before it all goes to hell

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:13 | 2048446 Lore
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Doesn't anybody remember that same garbage under Bush II? 


Nothing hurts popular support more than excessive focus on domestic crisis. It's far better to downplay your own troubles ("We're looking strong going into 2012") and create a ruckus somewhere overseas.

After a couple years, the unemployed masses will be treated to a rehash of "Mission Accomplished."

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 01:58 | 2049279 Urban Redneck
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The problem is that all sides have domestic crises and they are all banging the war drums, rallying the sheeple, if someone doesn't pull their head out of their ass, their will be an otherwise avoidable collision.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:17 | 2048323 CORNGUY
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If there was a vigilante who assasinated most of the mass media, government & bankers:

Would they be a hero or a villian?

This is probably bullshit.   Most People in Iran are scared.    They are surrounded by the western military who will attack with the slightest of provocation.   I would be shitting my pants if I was going to college in Tehran. Sometimes, I really hate the usa, but at least I can say that without being put in prison.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:51 | 2048419 pods
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Yep, your ass will wake up in some hellholed 'stan with some guy screaming at you in Uzbec while you realize that once a monster is created, he sometimes turns around.


Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:08 | 2049008 mkkby
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I dream of the day our generals send the prez and congress into early retirement.  They all swore to uphold the constitution, but the military guys actually have honor and integrity -- that is, they meant it. 

The psychopaths running the world do so only with the backing of OUR BRAVE MEN IN UNIFORM.  The sooner they realize that the better.  This is the people's ace in the hole.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 18:55 | 2047958 zilverreiger
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15kg ag per cruise missile is bullish

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 18:56 | 2047961 drink or die
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Are there people in the US actually on the fence about bombing another country?  From what I've seen, everyone is either strongly for or against.


edit:  nevermind, people have other things to worry about:


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Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:27 | 2048049 NotApplicable
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Funny, I hadn't seen the John 3:16 reference.

I wonder how the bookies feel about that?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:07 | 2048170 francis_sawyer
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I wonder how the bookies feel about that?

They're taking the "over"

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:07 | 2047964 bob_dabolina
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We should bomb them regardless, just because that's what we do. You have to import your gasoline? Fuck it, you're a threat and we're bombing you (yes Iran is a net importer of gasoline because they don't have the capacity refine enough for their population)

-Most Politicians in Washington D.C and Repub nominees besides Ron Paul. 

Come on shit heads. Bin Laden was found in the West Point of Pakistan and we didn't do war no nothin' 

It's been too long since we've bombed the shit out of someone, we need to get this show on the road. 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:07 | 2047986 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I would pay to hear Romney say, "Fuck it."

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:10 | 2047991 bob_dabolina
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I would pay to watch Bachman "fuck it." The 'it' would be arbitary, maybe a large animal of some kind.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:18 | 2048017 LetThemEatRand
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Only if it's a porcupine.  Imagine what Santorum would do. 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:22 | 2048036 bob_dabolina
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You see that? That's a line and you crossed it.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:27 | 2048052 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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He is a habitual line crosser.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:03 | 2048156 Conchy Joe
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Beats watching Obama saying "fuck it" and by it he means you and your kids.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:06 | 2048164 LetThemEatRand
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Wrong animal? 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:10 | 2048184 bob_dabolina
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Yeah, I was thinking giraffe. 


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:45 | 2048405 Ewe235
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Google Images - Michelle Bachmann corn dog -  worth a 1000 words.


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 18:57 | 2047965 Debugas
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20% enrichment is used in medicine

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:07 | 2047988 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes.  The Iranians are using their 20% enriched uranium for medicine.  Sure they are.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:27 | 2048050 AchtungAffen
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And if they actually do, damn, they sure are crazy...

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:29 | 2048056 drink or die
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You are such a brainless stooge.  Despite whatever monkey you listen to on talk radio or watch on cable news, 20% is considered medical grade and 90% is weapons grade.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:44 | 2048087 Everybodys All ...
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and that's why it's buried 100's of feet deep in a mountainside?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 19:50 | 2048108 drink or die
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Iran invests billions developing their nuclear technology, and their neighbor says they will bomb them if they get too far.  They would have to be stupid NOT to bury it in a mountain to protect their investment.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:36 | 2048239 Everybodys All ...
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I must live now in an alternate universe. I'm old enough to remember the 1979 Iranian hostage crisis and my trust of this regime rests with how the Americans were treated during those days. I do not want war with Iran anymore than the next guy on here but if Iran truly does acquire the ability to detonate a nuclear weapon I'm convinced they will use it. Proliferation will occur and the worlds most unstable nations will become even more so.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:48 | 2048262 tmosley
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You think Iran is less stable than Israel or North Korea?

Iran hasn't started a war since a hundred years before the US was founded.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:44 | 2048565 Manthong
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There's just something about "We love death more than you love life" that I find a tad disturbing in people with nuclear weapons.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:33 | 2048874 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You're right. The love for death and killing displayed by the governments of Israel and the United States, especially considering their extensive nuclear armories, is indeed troubling.


Mon, 01/09/2012 - 20:50 | 2048267 escargot
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I'm old enough to remember the 1953 CIA operation that deposed a democratically elected Iranian leader and installed the Shah's brutal puppet regime.  Did you ever think maybe the Iranians have a legitimate beef with US?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:01 | 2048288 Everybodys All ...
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Sure you are. The shah's brutality replaced with the wonderfully friendly Jew hating Khomeini theocracy. You're not exactly giving me confidence. Love that brutality though. huh.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:12 | 2048309 smiler03
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You are so fucking stupid. Which Islamic country has the highest population of Jews?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:53 | 2048330 Everybodys All ...
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All wearing burkas I suppose. Go live there and tell me how great it is with sharia law. Get back with me.

Your link makes my point far better than I could possibly have said it. Thanks, keep up the good work.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:51 | 2048422 Yellow Tang
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Well, highest population of any Islamic country, let's keep it real.  And only 25,000 - out of 74 million people.  Fuck me, that's 25,000 very nervous fucking Jews, lol.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:38 | 2048897 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yellow Tang, proudly displaying ignorance, bleated:

Well, highest population of any Islamic country, let's keep it real.  And only 25,000 - out of 74 million people.  Fuck me, that's 25,000 very nervous fucking Jews, lol.

If they were so nervous, why did they angrily reject the Israeli government's cash bribe of $60,000 per family to move from Iran to Israel?



Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:17 | 2048320 LetThemEatRand
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I think the point is that the billions of people that the Western propanda machine have identified as "crazies who would detonate a nuke just 'cause he was snorin'", may in actuality be less irrational than we are told.   

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:25 | 2048345 CompassionateFascist
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Yes, and the Moolahs are even making Iranian Jews wear Yallow Starz. Nope. Turned out to be an MSM ZOG Lie. Just like the one about Achma-whatever threatening to exterminate Yizroel. If only.  

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:38 | 2048371 The Third Man
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Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:06 | 2048300 disabledvet
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Does anyone honestly believe we have any enemies that we can't deal with without use of..."the rough stuff"? I think we're gonna "get it" whether we want to or not now. Don't get me wrong...i support this President "right or wrong"...but the rhetoric of retreat while retreating strikes me as the worst possible use of words. Worse still it breeds a "we shall see" mentality when what is needed is a proactive "protective rhetoric." The oddity of course is that with the vanquishing of Khaddafi, Bin some extent even Mubarrak i one SHOULD doubt this President's abilities to kick ass and take names.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 21:44 | 2048403 WonderDawg
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Oh, so it was Obama that vanquished Khaddafi and Bin Laden, all by himself. Look where our "proactive rhetoric" has gotten us so far. How many wars are we going to fight to a draw, how many lives are we going to waste, and how many trillions of tax dollars are we going to spend fucking with people who haven't fucked with us? Fuck proactive. Let's get proactive dealing with the banksters and politicians before we worry about getting proactive with a country half a world away that doesn't threaten us, even with nukes, in the least.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:54 | 2048655 akak
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Let's get proactive dealing with the banksters and politicians before we worry about getting proactive with a country half a world away that doesn't threaten us, even with nukes, in the least.

Hear hear!

I am sick to death of all the nonsensical sabre-rattling and hysterial warmongering coming from the Oh-bomb-yeah administration, and from that collection of kooks and sociopaths who call themselves Republican presidential candidates, Ron Paul excepted of course.  The level of fearmongering and pandering to the lowest aspects of our natures by these criminals is utterly insane.

I would like a one-way ticket to ANY other inhabitable planet, thank you --- this one is an insane asylum run by murderers and psychopaths.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 04:07 | 2053674 Element
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Proliferation will occur and the worlds most unstable nations will become even more so.

Dude, you are about 25 years too late, and the world did not end.

Read up on the Abdul Qadeer Khan international nuclear-proliferation network:

The NPT effectively died in 1974, when India tested its first nuclear weapon.

It's been international political smoke-'n-mirrors ever since.

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