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IAEA Confirms Iran Has Started 20% Uranium Enrichment
The geopolitical foreplay is getting ridiculous. At this point it is quite obvious that virtually everyone involved in the US-Israel-Iran hate triangle is just itching for someone else to pull the trigger. And the latest report out of the IAEA will only precipitate this. Who - remember the IAEA? The same IAEA which did not find nukes in Iraq in 2003 only to be overriden by Dick "WMD" Cheney to "justify" an invasion. As RIA reports: "The International Atomic Energy Agency officially confirmed that Iran has started enriching uranium to the 20-percent level, which can easily be turned into fissile warhead material. "The IAEA can confirm that Iran has started the production of uranium enriched up to 20 percent using IR-1 centrifuges in the Fordo Fuel Enrichment Plant," the agency said in a statement. However, IAEA Spokeswoman Gill Tudor said that all nuclear materials and operations in the Fordo facility are “under the Agency's containment and surveillance."" Naturally, that leaves the "use of uranium" variable quite subjective and in the hands of political manipulation. Which means at this point it is only a matter of days before the meme that Iran already has nuclear warheads becomes actively adopted by warmongers everywhere.
Iranian officials earlier said the Fordo plant, deep inside the mountains near the central Iranian city of Qom, was build to produce 20-percent uranium needed for a research reactor in Tehran, which produces medical isotopes to treat cancer patients.
The head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) Fereydoon Abbasi said last August that Iranian authorities planned to transfer all enrichment facilities from a plant in Natanz to Fordo, citing insufficient security.
He also said Iran had no plans to enrich uranium to higher than 20 percent.
The news is likely to further increase tensions between Iran and the West over the country’s clandestine nuclear research. Western nations suspect Iran of pursuing a secret weapons program while Tehran says it needs nuclear research for peaceful energy purposes. Negotiations have been stalled for 12 months.
The IAEA statement has already triggered harsh statements from diplomats in the United States and Europe.
And just like back in 2003 Iraq, the IAEA's finding will be used, if in a completely perverted fashion. Too bad Dick Cheney is not around to show how gross disinformation propaganda is really done:
"This is a further escalation of their ongoing violations with regard to their nuclear obligations," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters.
"The fact that the IAEA has made clear that they are enriching to a level that is inappropriate at Fordo is obviously a problem," she went on.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague described the move as "a provocative act that undermines claims that the program is civilian in nature."
The German foreign ministry expressed hope that the European Union will agree on a fresh round of sanctions against Iran during a meeting on January 30, because the start of operations at Fordo was “a step of further escalation.”
“With it, the international community’s concern that the Iranian nuclear program is serving military purposes is growing,” the ministry said in a statement. “So long as Iran does not move, there is no alternative to tough sanctions,” the statement said.
If at this point anyone is missing the parallels to 2003, we suggest getting bigger glasses. Our prediction is that within 2 years Ahmedinejad will be found by the US Army deep in some foxhole, to make the Iraq replica complete.
Our only hope is that by then the entire Middle East is not covered in radioactive glass.
Finally, to anyone assuming China (and Russia) will sit idly by and wait as its marginal oil producer is subsumed by the west, even as it is now expected to overtake the US in oil imports in under 2 years, we have for sale a 5th lien on a reverse Chinese IPO of a company building bridges to non-existing timberlands.
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LSU vs BAMA is much shorter duration than watching the collapse of world empires and economies.
See you after the game... or tomorrow. I'm hoping the game won't be interrupted by a nearby nuke blast.
Geaux Tigers!!!
When does Les Miles have to return his team to Angola State Penitentiary?
The standards have improved. You have to actually be able to spell "LSU" to get in now.
If Alabama beats LSU 6-3 in overtime Oklahoma State will be crowned the true naitonal champion. The computer knows best!!!!!!! Go Pokes!
Uranium needs to be enriched to be used to fuel their nuclear energy plant(s). Funny how a Nuclear-powered Iran was perfectly fine when the US Puppet Shah Pahlavi was in charge. Iran is STILL a signer of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty... unlike Israel. But, for some strange reason, it is perfectly OK for them to have actual nuclear weapons.
Well, of course it is. A) Israel didn't sign the pact, and B) Israel. The "Jewish" state where 2/3 of world Jewry chooses not to live. Most of the other 2/3 live in America, the state that keeps Israel on the map. Prolly not a coincidence.
Start with June 6, 2003 report.
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iaeairan/iaea_reports.shtml
Once Iran has several nuclear weapons and a delivery system for them, then stability will be the most likely result for Iran. Any fool can see they are building a nuclear weapons program to prevent invasion by NATO, Israel or the USA. Or perhaps all of them at once, as they do like to gang up on smaller nations.
Seriously though. The end game for Iran is to announce they will defend their country against invasion and that being nuclear armed, they have the ultimate trump card to prevent large scale invasion. Perhaps they will announce a policy just like Russia has announced. That is in short "they will reserve the right to detonate a nuclear device over any invasion force on Iranian territory that their conventional forces are unable to stop and eject from their territory. Russia announced this policy of use ONLY over their own territory against an invading force. This makes sense as it precludes any invasion force from feeling secure in a victorious situation over the defending Russian conventional army. If Iran adopted the same policy, the NATO forces would think twice before advancing after giving Iran's army a serious defeat. Onee can consider the Iraq war for a minute and clearly see WHY Iran feels the need for a nuclear defense capability.
There is no way that Iran is going to consider use of a device outside it's own territory. NATO, The USA and Israel all have independent nuclear forces that would be able to turn every inch of Iran into a field of melted glass inside of 30 minutes.
We may not like Iran having an ability to prevent invasion of it's country. But for me personally, I don't lose a minute of sleep worrying that Iran will develop the means to stop an invasion of their country. Nor does Russian nuclear first use over it's own territory keep me up at night.
Here is how simple it is. "Do not invade and try to conquer other nations, like was done in Iraq, and you have no worries at all about the Iranian military sitting on a handful of nukes. Israel alone is a major nucler power, capable of the complete destruction of every Arab nation in the Middle East, and as they have said, they retain the ability to nuke Europe's major cities even after clearing out the Arab league nations.
I wouldn't be surprised if Israel drew us into a war and then dropped a surprise nuke without telling us. People think the US's reputation is bad now? You think terrorist attacks are bad now? Just wait.
False flags inside the US come to mind. After realizing that the 9/11 report is simply rubbish, I decided that I trust my government less than most foreign governments. Truth hurts....and I am sure that non-US citizens see the truth about 9/11 mch more clearly than we who are blinded by insoucience and false-patriotism. Very sad.
SEPTEMBER 2002
16, Monday: Iran Statement to IAEA General Conference. Mr. Reza Aghazadeh, Vice-President of Iran and President of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, addressed the country´s nuclear programme in a statement to the IAEA General Conference. Iran Statement
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iaeairan/iran_timeline.shtml#september02
“Seriously injured worker is still trapped in crane operating console of exhaust stack” — “Breathing and pulse cannot be confirmed”http://enenews.com/fukushima-daini-on-mar-12-seriously-injured-worker-is-still-trapped-in-crane-operating-console-of-exhaust-stack-breathing-and-pulse-cannot-be-confirmed
"Fukushima Daiichi worker hospitalized after heart stops (cardiopulmonary arrest) — Tepco: No radioactive materials found attached to body"http://enenews.com/fukushima-workers-heart-stops-carried-emergency-room-tepco-radioactive-materials-found-attached-body
"Japan’s Emperor hospitalized: “He appeared fatigued and has lost some resistance to fight his illness” — Traveled to disaster area in April"
http://enenews.com/japans-emperor-hospitalized-he-appeared-fatigued-and-has-lost-some-resistance-to-fight-his-illness-traveled-to-disaster-area-in-april
"Japan Emperor’s granddaughter hospitalized with mycoplasmal pneumonia"http://enenews.com/japan-emperors-granddaughter-hospitalized-mycoplasmal-pneumonia
"Yahoo: Rumor spreading in Japan says leukemia up 7 times from last year — Champion wrestler who trained in Fukushima diagnosed with acute myelocytic leukemia"http://enenews.com/media-report-harmful-rumor-japan-leukemia-cases-increased-7-times-last-year-30-year-championship-wrestler-gunma-diagnosed-acute-myelocytic-leukemia
"New Study: Aerosolized plutonium from Fukushima detected in Europe — Spent fuel indicated"http://enenews.com/journal-aerosolized-plutonium-from-fukushima-detected-in-europe-spent-fuel-indicated
uhhhhh....maybe time to rexamine this whole nuclear energy thing.
thank you, captain obvious.
You're not as grumpy as normal. Good to know you're taking your meds.
you're the schizophrenic racist asshole, not me.
keep projecting though, it's not predictable or anything.
If you're gona' ad hominem attack me at least make it something creative like:
"You're the racist with advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage."
Other than that, I have no other concerns.
being a narcissist and an asshole aren't one in the same, but you probably wish more bought into the former self-proclamation.
Radiation is not a problem in the U. S. The patriots at the EPA have raised the defintions of safe levels for varoius radioactive isotopes. Carry on and pretend not to notice that your child glows in the dark.
Nukes should be privatised. To dig the US out of debt, they should offer nuke shield for those that can pay. Never to be used offensively, but pay say $15 Billion a year, and if anybody attacks you, the US will nuke them. That's way less than say, Australia spends on defence, and a much better deterrent.
100 countries sign up then:
a) they can never go to war with one another
b) US gets 1.5 trillion to keep policing world
Think of it as the UN with teeth, and without the guilt shit that currently they are obsessed with.
And how's that different from the system we have now?
US will nuke babies in japan if people get patriotic enough.
ahh.....the system you have now is bankrupting you, and seemingly the US population does not want to give up policing the world. And i'm not talking vague agreements, i'm talking business contracts. Australia spends about $30 billion a year on defence, so we save half that, and are better armed. Massive injection of cash to all countries that sign up. Massive cash injection for the US.
I'm not sure it is a good idea, I am just generally of the opinion that the more market forces are bought to bear on government industries, the better they will be. China and Russia could offer competing programs. None of them would want war, cause it would be bad for business.
I have often wondered when somebody would get into the MAD business. Chuck a few nukes in space, and you could sell deterrent to all small countries that are worried about invasion, but can't afford a decent military. Business would be a lot less inclined to use them, because they don't have endless taxpayer money to replace them. Plus they could leverage them, put 5 nukes up, and sell 20 contracts. Then you really don't want to use them, cause you would have to pay back 4 countries for every nuke you used. Nuke margin call, if you will.
Privatised space based nukes .... are you serious? How long until the voluntary sign up became pay up or else? The only stable solution now that the technology has been discovered and refined is that everyone has shit loads of them pointed at each other. We can all see what happens when it gets lobsided .... even if the sole superpower is the so called freedom loving good guy.
Hephasteus ='s Pimp ='s Truth Teller! ='s The Man!
I always like to read coverage from the other side.
http://tehrantimes.com/politics/94319-fordo-enrichment-facility-to-come-on-stream-soon-
"The International Atomic Energy Agency officially confirmed that Iran has started enriching uranium to the 20-percent level, which can easily be turned into fissile warhead material."
This is BS. Goto antiwar.com radio to learn more.
20% is for medical uses. Warhead uses requires >90%. It an't easy, apparently, to enrich from 20% to 90%. Check out Gordon Prather, a real nuclear scientist for more.
BTW O-bomb-ya refused a deal to take Iran uranium, enriched in France, and return, because those evile mad dog Iranian devils wanted to swap - raw for 20% enriched, instead of US demands to give raw, then at a later time rx enriched to 20%.
Again for medical uses.
What's so funny about peace,love, and understanding?
Fuck the war party.
Hey fuck heads who dis'ed me - from antiwar.com blog:
The Buried Lede on Iran: All Nuclear Sites Routinely Inspected, No Violations
January 09, 2012| News | John Glaser
There are some “scary” reports out in the last few days about Iran beginning uranium enrichment at an underground bunker at the Fordow site near Iran’s holy city of Qom and “diplomats” are saying it is “particularly worrying because the site is being used to make material that can be upgraded more quickly for use in a nuclear weapon than the nation’s main enriched stockpile.”
You have to read on – like, you know, beyond the headline and the first paragraph – to understand that it was back in February 2011, almost a year ago, that Iran sent a letter to IAEA explaining that they would begin enrichment for medical radioisotopes to treat cancer patients “by this summer” (which makes them 5 months late). Iran agreed in August that Forodow fell under IAEA safeguards and would not be making highly enriched uranium needed to build a bomb. In fact, the underground enrichment site at Fordow has been inspected at least ten times since October 2009. In fact, all of Iran’s 15 declared nuclear sites are routinely inspected by the IAEA, making cheating nearly impossible (these links are all from the twitter account of Micah Zenko, Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, who has been great on this issue in the last few days). And, to reiterate, the last IAEA report again confirmed the non-diversion of nuclear materials from any of these declared sites, meaning that all of it is accounted for and none is confirmed as being highly enriched anywhere close to the point needed for weapons-grade material.
All of that should be the lede in these news reports. But instead, the jingoistic media bias on the Iranian nuclear issue again illustrates the journalistic obedience and servility to the power structure in Washington.
WAR is still the most profitable investment for the elite.......
and now you know why Kennedy had to die:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgNbFCNNA7U
you know why women fake orgasms?
because men fake foreplay.
You know why guys don't care?
Because we orgasm regardless.
every day i'm praying for that meteorite to hit your house.
It's nice to know I have control over your prayers.
Try not to think about me so much (everyday in your words) and keep taking your meds.
I don't want to disappoint you, but the odds of that are nearly as long as Bill Clinton telling the truth.
Reminds me when Mrs. Doubtfire was relating her sexual experiences with her now deceased husband. His idea of foreplay was telling me "brace yourself!!"
great comment, j_mama!
when tyler opens w/: The geopolitical foreplay is getting ridiculous....we see how myopic the "graders" are, tonight...
...as usual...
so glad you got it :)
Real men fake orgasms. It makes the skanks feel hot when you have to do a mercy fuck. Chicks are doing the same thing.
ah, the western watchdog barks for war
Titor right again. A draft is coming people.
And let me get this straight...
Right now in the middle-east there's...
2 US carrier strike groups off Iran.
1 French aircraft carrier off Iran.
1 high tech british destroyer off Iran.
1 Russian carrier strike group off Syria.
1 French missile boat off Syria.
Thousands of US troops in Israel.
All we need now is China's armada and some spark and KABOOOOOOOOOOM here goes the dynamite!
and silver is still under 30 bucks.
Not worried, so long as the Froggy carrier hangs around. When it leaves, game on.
Nooooooooooooooooo man. China armada doesn't give a shit. Chinese have never ever moved out of their borders since neanderthal.
You are right. China is keeping their armada near Taiwan for the election on January 14 in case the democrats win.
Try reading history.
Anyone got a match?
on a count of three everyone crouch under the nearest desk or table or something. 1, 2, 3!
there, feel better?
Gosh, I haven't done that since first grade.
I misread the topic as "IKEA Confirms Iran Has Started 20% Uranium Enrichment". I was relieved to see it was the twits at IAEA.
IKEA would have a better idea of who had what...
Those two faced neutral Swedish.
Even the Swedes have WMD...just ask Julian Assange
I doubt they have any nukes assembled, as they require expensive maintenance, which is a pain if you don't actually need them for MAD type deterrence.
On the other hand, I'm 100% sure that Sweden (along with Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Brazil, South Africa, Argentina, Japan, South Korea and probably others) could build a functional (if untested and probably not hugely efficient) nuke in a pretty short timeframe, if they ever decided to. It's not really that complicated and most of the specialist materials and techniques involved are routinely used for other industrial / medical processes. Apart from the weapons grade fissile material, which anyone with a couple of nuclear power plants and a decent level of technical ability can certainly make, given time.
In the case of Sweden, who already ran a nuclear weapons program in the 50s and 60s, then cancelled it, it's reasonable to assume they either have the fissile material already, or could make it quickly, if necessary.
Bear in mind, however, that my knowledge of nuclear weapons only stems from a bunch of reading about them and a few conversations I've had with a Royal Navy technician I know, who used to work at the weapons storage depot at Coulport in Scotland. There are undoubtedly factors involved of which I'm not aware. Nor want to be, if I'm honest. The sooner the world wakes up and scraps the damn things, the better. Not that this is gonna ever happen, of course!
In other news...
The IAEA confirms that US unemployment fell to 6.7% in December.....
The IAEA confirms that US GDP revised to 4.5% annualized.....
The IAEA confirms the length of my penis at 9.5 inches.....
To all who are unaware....Today is the 3rd Anniversary of the grand experiment that is Zerohedge.
Happy Anniversary to Tyler and Crew.
Thank you all for changing my life.
Happy anniversary Zerohedge! I've been reading for about three months when this story hit- BBC Speechless As Trader Tells Truth: "The Collapse Is Coming...And Goldman Rules The World." and I've been lurking until now.
That story woke me up and I started learning how rotten the foundations of our "economy" are. THANK YOU to all the contributers. It's unpleasant news, but it's better to know than to be comfortable with one's head in the sand.
Yeah - Hats off to Tyler and crew as well with increased success this coming year 2012! Very good website I must say.
Perhaps a comment from the distinguished Dr Krugman?
http://www.zerohedge.com/users/dr-paul-krugman
Anyone who wants to be israel's bitch and inavde yet another country walk your ass on down to the recruiter and sign up. the grunts are always hiring.
U.S.M.C (U signed the Mother Fuckin' Contract)
I tried to explain this concept to a friend of mine who just signed up for the military.......he didn't get it. I guess that explains alot.
If your business is war, then business is good.
I've been chilling out playing Civilization V the past few weeks and it does prove clearly that there really isn't a point to have a strong military and not use the fuckers.. and why lay them off when you can use them up in exchange for valuable assets..
this is how the ones on top think and act. All that other noise you hear is just PR to the Moms
Keep your gas tanks topped off, your refrigerators stocked up and your ammo piled high. We are going to wake up one day and be at war with Iran, and our gas prices will double literally overnight. This doubling in the price of fuel will spark violent unrest as people storm the grocery stores and gas stations across the country. It will be utter chaos ... be prepared for it when it happens.
Do you go by the name "Falcon"? You sound like a radio guest I heard with that "handle".
No, but that's a cool name. I'm just a guy who believes people in the US don't comprehend the implications of what their representatives are pushing for with this Iran attack ... of course I'm mostly talking about non-ZH readers.
I'm with ya....I comprehend the implications, and it makes me shudder. People have truly lost their mind and their ability to resist and discern propaganda.
THAT is why Santorum must be brought down. The US cannot afford idiots like him even running for prez.
"I may be 20, but I feel like I'm going on 90."
- Iran's enrichment program
No other purpose for 20% enrichment than to build a fission nuke.
Time to bust a cap on the She-its in Iran.
Minor point, but Iran has no means to deliver a nuke even if they had one. Even a physicist should be able to see the importance in that.
most of them in Iran have already been killed so maybe they just winging it now
The only two nukes ever used were delivered by plane.
They can be delivered by boat, U-Haul, or whatever can carry about one ton of bomb.
Oh yes, weapons of mass destruction. Where have I heard this before???
Seems like Rick "Bomb Iran" Santorum has some interesting past connections. He may have some skeletons in his closet that could be highly embarrassing. Wayne Madsen, journalist (and fellow NSA guy) is noticing and investigating some very curious coincidences regarding Ricky's time at Penn State and beyond. This story is still developing, but the facts below do pique one's interest:
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20120109_2
"fellow NSA guy" "former NSA guy"
The sleeping with/taking home to meet the other kids dead baby story was more than enough to turn me against him. He and his wife are way wierd.
Yeah, that's some Weekend at Bernie's type shit.
TPTB like to put people in positions of power who have skeletons so they can use them for purposes of bribery to follow their agenda. Isn't that easy?
William Cooper's website. He was shot for some interesting statements.
http://www.hourofthetime.com
Actually CrazyCooter is on to something. Since Russia and China already have bunches of nukes, they could easily slip a few across the border to Iran. Iran gets boxed into a corner, sets a smaller device into a small boat, floats it our within range of one of our carriers, and KABOOM. There goes several thousand of our sailors, and a very expensive ship. We bomb Iran into glass, and China/Russia looks like the cleanest folks on the block. Interesting, and that starts WWWIII.
First check out where the fallout will blow.
When Iran announces they have nuclear weapons, they will announce that they have 20, coinciding with a nuclear 'test' either in their country, or Israel. The US will not go nuclear against Iran. We haven't the ballz
How the hell would they know?
These dumb fucks didn't even realize Japan was in way over their heads with Fukishima...
...nor did they offer any help or solutions.
A waste of an organization....like most govt. and beaurocratic bodies
IAEA=E.I.E.I.O.=Zero Credibility
"The New York Times quotes US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta making what should be a startling admission: that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons.
Panetta says: “Are they [Iran] trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No.”
That Panetta finally admits what many people around the world know to be true, including American intelligence agencies in at least two US National Intelligence Estimates in 2007 and 2010 – that is, that Iran is not attempting to develop a nuclear weapon, should be a front-page headline. Especially when taken together with the US General Dempsey’s disclosure that war plans are afoot. From its own admission, therefore, the US government is pushing the world into possibly a World War III scenario on the basis of a totally spurious claim that even its own top brass do not believe.
Reflecting the bankruptcy that has corroded the US political establishment is the way that the New York Times – America’s self-styled premier newspaper – glides over these nuggets of self-indictment as if they were worthless banalities.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28560
Panetta says Iran is laying the groundwork for making nuclear weapons someday:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/08/panetta-iran-has-not-yet-deci...
I think that once you have the capability to enrich to 20%, going to 90% is pretty easy. Just a matter of running the 20% uranium through a few more centrifuges. And once you have 90% enriched uranium, building a bomb is very easy. How can anyone believe that having come so far, that they will just stop at 20%?
If Iran builds a bomb, then certainly Saudi Arabia and possibly Egypt will also feel the need to build them. And Iran is likely to sell its technology to other countries that want nukes, just as Pakistan did. And suppose some zealous (or greedy) Iranian (or Saudi or Egyptian) general decides to give (or sell) some of his country's HEU to terrorists?
The world is about to become a much more dangerous place.
What if...I think.....what if ...How can anyone believe ...if...likely........possibly.....Then I guess that is justification for placing the entire world at risk...RIGHT? Justification for preemptive war and mass destruction based on speculation contrary to known facts, common sense, and international law? Maybe we should all round up sheet plastic and duct tape for our houses?
Pehaps a little reading and less right wing authoritarian lies and demagoguery would show all that (a) they are permitted to enrich to 20% and (b) the use is clearly for isotopes used to treat cancer which is very well known and documented.
Panetta again: “But we know that they’re trying to develop a nuclear capability. And that’s what concerns us.”
There you have it. The United States can drop nuclear weapons on civilians, possess up to 10,000 nuclear warheads, supply its allies illegally with such weapons and continue to violate the purpose of the NPT by not disarming its nuclear arsenal – yet if a country uses the provisions of the NPT legitimately to pursue nuclear capability then it is reviled and made a target for an illegal war of aggression, most probably with nuclear weapons.
This is depravity-turned-foreign policy. It has nothing to do with nuclear programs. As another poster well stated. "you don't think they destroyed the Western enconomies for nothing do you?"
that reminds of when shrub admitted iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. it was ignored because the propaganda had been catapulted and everyone already believed otherwise. he admitted the same about wmds.
ask too many supposed informed people if iran has nukes or is builing one and they will say iran is building one if they don't already have one.
what did shrub say, "fool me once shame on you . fool me twice,uh,er, um you won't fool me again.
I become disappointed by the thumb downers who are burying commentators who have been "On the money" more or less here in Zero Hedge.
It would take a night and day to type out and "Argue" properly with the Thumb Downers and nut cases as well as those who deliberately come here to be... a "Cooler" as we call them at the Tables in the Casino.
Some of you may have paid attention to me when I tell you to have a supply ready, relocate your work MUCH closer to home and getting together a kit for you and your family to be ready.
I have also repeat the oldCold War knowledge via Library and actual experiences and some study of such as Janes and others which provided the current Order of Battle across the world even if it took weeks at the Library to put together.
There will be a war in Iran. It will either be a hit and scram with alot of yelling and violence or it will grow into a deliberate Nation state against Nation state (Plural?) as everyone says fuck it and throws the weight into battle for thier own gain and overall victory on both sides.
In such wars, you me the neighbor and so on are just in the way. We will become refugees clogging roads and open spaces the military will need to either avoid or sap resources for the good of the Nation.
I call on all you Citizens as just a nobody to remember who you are, remember that the United States have given you a life for better or worse and we cannot do any better than anyone else than anyone in any nation of the world.
There will be a fight. Always has been since the First Crusades or even back before that. Accept it, and prepare yourself and home while working with your neighbors. If you learn a old fashioned skill and gather good things for trade with others when the JIT economy and the US Post office is destroyed in our radioactive cities filled with very bad wolves....
See where I am going?
There may be a fight before the end of March or at any time. When there is, Expect gasoline to hit 15 to 20 dollars a gallon and much trouble when the Sheep are forced to either buy gas for work (And learn the net pay does not cover it) or buy food.
Or simply storm the station, kill anyone who resists and find someone who knows how to run the pump.
Make yourself useful for the United States and Israel as well as our Allies. Don't be a drag or a liability.
The waiting is always the worst part before the shooting starts in earnest.
+1
A government should not mobilize an army out of anger, military leaders should not provoke war out of wrath. Act when it is beneficial, desist if it is not. Anger can revert to joy, wrath can revert to delight, BUT A NATION DESTROYED CANNOT BE RESTORED TO EXISTENCE, and the dead cannot be restored to life. Therefore an enlightened government is careful about this, a good military leadership is alert to this. This is the way to secure a nation and keep armed forces whole.
SUN TSU - Two thousand years ago (before the Crusades)
just keep the power and internet up and i can do 90% of my job from home.. maybe when the shortages hit I can finally be allowed to do that 4 outta 5 days. so yeah, let's bomb the whole fucking desert
Said HungrySeagull:
Fuck that! They're trying to kill us all!
Is Congress going to be fed lies upon lies and cooked up intel propaganda like preceding our little venture into Iraq, or are we just going to attack Iran without Congressional approval like we did to Libya...
all the same stuff with Irak, Libya, Iran and others.
USA accuses those for having nuclear weapons, but then none is found.
Yet another killing of people for the profit of the weapons-industry and to get cheap gas for your General Motors cars.
USA is a real believer in democracy, just not for democracy in its own country @ OccupyWS.
How many Weapons For Mass Destruction does the USA own? No, I am not talking about the media.
Iran probably already has bootleg nukes from the Russian mob, Norks, Pakistan. Much feared already Iran needs a nuke thinking it will innoculate themselves from attack like the Norks are doing. They'll just say they made them themselves when they announce a sudden little stockpile.
FRODO! FRODO!
Oh wait...Fordo? Shit...never mind.
I'm really getting tired of all this crap. Shit or get off the fucking pot. Exactly what is keeping the US from blowing these pos's off the fucking map? Surely it couldn't be implications from WW3 and the potential to blow up planet Earth 50k times could it? Hmmm......we better figure out a way to defeat enemies that have 1000's of megaton nuke bombs.
There is no fucking solution morons. All the big players posess the "extinction" button. You can't beat something that ends all. We're so fucking fucked I can't explain how fucked we are. Yep, everyone's just talking this and that, nevermind that it comes down to "we'll use our last defense mechanism" when faced with defeat. And that only amounts to enough radiation to turn Pluto fucking green.
Humankind is never going to make it to lofty advanced levels of existence. Too fucking stupid, too fucking greeedy, we are a failed species.
Dismay and rage spread over the planet. Everywhere the people rose against the scientists, amid against the governing authority which they controlled. Massacres and measures of retaliation soon developed into civil wars. China and India declared themselves free national states, but could not achieve internal unity. In America, ever a stronghold of science and religion, the Government maintained its authority for a while; but as its seat became less secure, its methods became more ruthless. Finally it made the mistake of using not merely poison gas, but microbes; and such was the decayed state of medical science that no one could invent a means of restraining their ravages. The whole American continent succumbed to a plague of pulmonary and nervous diseases. The ancient "American Madness," which long ago had been used against China, now devastated America. The great stations of waterpower and windpower were wrecked by lunatic mobs who sought vengeance upon anything associated with authority. Whole populations vanished in an orgy of cannibalism.
In Asia and Africa, some semblance of order was maintained for a while. Presently, however, the American Madness spread to these continents also, and very soon all living traces of their civilization vanished.
Only in the most natural fertile areas of the world could the diseased remnant of a population now scrape a living from the soil. Elsewhere, utter desolation. With easy strides the jungle came back into its own.
Olaf Stapledon, 'Last and First Men' 1930 --on the downfall of the first human species after the coal supplies run out.
I am not sure.
If Obama knew months and months in advance exactly where Bin Liden was...
My guess is the Boeing's special bunker deep bomb project. If I understand leaks or declassified information provided by the Pentagon press, it seems we have twelve of these.
Why is it that we evacuated Cheyenne Mountain and moved NORAD to a big fat lot of nothing on a high plain? Maybe because the USSR at the time apparenly has a one hell of a kinetic penetrator followed by one or more nuclear war heads that will POP Norad like a bad pimple.
In ww2 a German Rail gun penetrated about 120 feet of solid mountain rock to blast a russian ammo dump inside it near stevestapol (Spelling?) it's amazing what can be done.
We cannot and must not wait around for something terrible to happen.
According to HungrySeagull:
So you're advocating making something terrible happen as soon as possible?
Uh, wasn't it just two months ago that the IAEA embarassed itself?
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1109/Iran-nuclear-report...
Obviously the IAEA is doing the bidding of the war mongerers.
I still say to get the proper perspective of this situation it's better to view it not as Iran, but as China's 3rd biggest oil suppler.
I happen to believe part of America's ...desire... to invade Iran is cut off oil to China ...and yes I believe it would start WWIII
...sorta like cutting off oil to Japan brought us Pearl Harbor
...except China would have no plans to bomb and torpedo a few ships ...more like take out a few cities ...and if they don't have the missile capability, their new buddy trading/currency partner Russia does
...but then I might just be crazy too, nothing like that could ever happen ...not to America ...perish the thought :)
I think that China, Russia and India are preparing to ease the USA out of Eurasia. They would prefer to do it without violence. But there is a limit and this might show us the limit.
The AfPak area is the trickiest for the new bloc, call it....hmm...the Shanghai Cooperation Council (er, actually that's what they already call it). Too many Islamic radicals, potentially loose nukes, random US megabases. Bad. But if a regional solution can be found (AKA locals ventilating the Taliban and Indo-Pak-Chinese strategic balance) the US is truly useless over there.
As for the oil? Too bad. We should know better--just have to pay up in depreciating currency. Ouch, but we don't really have any options once you think it through. The good news is our oil imports have been falling for years, but no one's noticed as it is another 'inconvenient' fact (like Ron Paul's electability according to actual polling). Imports will soon have fallen by nearly half....shhhh
So, in the big picture, an Iranian nuke is of no consequence. Just an excuse for overseas adventurism.
Once India signs on with SCO, I believe the rest will (rapidly) sign on.
I coined "ANA". Asian Nuclear Alliance. I believe that's what it really is bottom line, because I believe that's what it'll take to make US imperialism back off and stop tyring to keep everybody's oil priced in dollars ...the only thing maintaining dollar world reserve currency status now.
I felt sunday's announcement of Russia and India agreeing to buy Iranian oil in their respective currencies (bypassing USD) was an earthshaking smack in the face to America's dollar imperialism and a big bold "fuck you" to America's banksters.
Russia and India. On the same day. Together with China, 3 major nuclear powers siding with Iran. It doesn't get any more nuclear in-your-face than that.
That's why I agree, an Iranian nuke or lack thereof doesn't matter. Iran has 3 major nuclear powers on their side now.
And I agree, America's oil imports are dropping. But that's not the point. Keeping world oil supplies priced in dollars is the point.
And I believe this Iran line-in-the-sand might just be the beginning of the end of that dollar hegemony ...and the end of USD world reserve currency status.
That seems right to me. Christian-haters can bash me all you want, but prophetic scholars familiar with geo-politics show that the world is shaping up into definite "political unions", and that is an intermediary step to world government.
I see this centralization and regionalization forming before my very eyes. There is definitely infighting amongst the globalist world powers as to who will retain control, but they still press on with their global government plan. Those that truly control the puppet strings know how to play governments off each other to eventually achieve ther dialectical solution.
much more deranged than that. the only way out of the current fix is a massive capacity destruction even(labor and capital). i am thinking the most depraved minds are thinking the population of china and possibly india must be reduced by half with a western administration that that forces a perpetual state of third worldlyness upon them at the end of a gun barrel.
of course it will not work. the usa will be subjugated to a diet of curried mu gu gai pan and rice as china/india form a human land bridge over the ocean and still have a 50 mil man army of wooden spear chucking soldiers arming themselves and eating like ants from san diego to penobscot maine.....after russia nukes a few population centers.
seriously, i am afraid the ruling class has become convinced that massive capacity destruction is the best long term solution to the present problem. it is the ultimate can kick down the road. it will force the necessary monetary reset while affirming the banks ' dominant position over the world economy. it won't go the way it is planned and millions of people will pay for it. this time the usa will not be immune to the violence.
You are right. This really IS mostly about China, and also Russia. Energy/dollar dominance. And yes, massive depopulation IS their goal. I know some here might not believe that, but the documentation is there to support this "wild claim", and everything they are doing points to their implementation of this goal, whether through "fast-kill" with nukes, or "slow kill" with poisoning in a myriad of ways: pharmaceuticals, toxic pesticides & fertilizers, GMO, fluoridation, weather modification, vaccination, Codex Alimentarius, etc.
Well, we don't need to have to be radioactive glass. Not good for tourism. Less visible to tourists and more fun would be if they bomb these nuclear sites and aerosolize radioactive components and byproducts of enrichment. Although an underground complex would limit any release.
The sooner the people of this world realize that we don't need government to fuck up our lives, they need us to exist the better off we will be.
This article does not seem to make sense w in light of the admission from the US Defense Secretary that he believes Iran is NOT trying to develop a nuclear weapon.
"Panetta admits Iran not developing nukes."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/09/panetta-admits-iran-not-developing...
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/01/us-defense-secretary-...
This a good sign, as it shows the US political elite realise it must not get into a real fight with Iran, and maybe is preparing to de-escalate, before it kicks off by misadventure.
But Panetta's premise and statements are pure nonsense (and I'm sure he knows that) -- see my (longish) post below for why.
The US will hopefully de-escalate before it's too late.
But Iran is becoming a nuclear power regardless, and most probably already is one.
Just more media bullshit.
UN's Blix: UK, US relied on dubious intelligence - Video
Think Iran.
Fuck Israel and all the zionist warmongers!
Only the west can enrich! Fuck this shit!
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WHO CARES ABOUT IRAN!
THE SPENT FUEL POOL IN REACTOR NUMBER FOUR, THE ONE EVERYONE HAS FEARED MELTING DOWN, THE ONE WITH TONS OF PLUTONIUM IN IT, IS MELTING DOWN NOW. HUGE COVERED UP NATIONAL EMERGENCY HAPPENING NOW AND THIS IS EFFECTING THE usa AND WHAT, EVERYONE IS LOOKING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AS THE NUCLEAR KABUKI-THIEF PICKS YOUR POCKETS?
LOOK OUT BABYLON, YOUR DAY IN THE IGNORANT RED SUN IS COMING.
FRENCH FRIED ANYONE?
A few points;
It would be absurd at this point to presume that all of Iran's enrichment capability is in the open, visible to the IAEA. It certainly isn't.
Israel, South Africa and especially Australia have all operated enrichment programs long-term, that the IAEA was oblivious to. Australia actually did it within a sealed area within buildings inside an actual IAEA monitored and inspected nuclear reactor site! Yes, this really happened with four separate enrichment programs, spread over about 32 years at an IAEA inspected site - hidden in plain view.
It can be, and it is being done and hidden by Iran.
The IAEA are just fucking clueless.
Frankly, Israel and the US should acutely know Iran has been doing this. And if the White Hut really doesn't know it, then someone should show some fucking spine and tell Barry how it really is. The obvious truth is Iran is and has been developing HEU munitions, and they sure as hell are not going to show the real process to the IAEA.
So it would be absurd to presume that Iran has not yet achieved bulk weapon-grade fissile materials production. The more primitive Pakistan managed that in the mid-1980s!
And we actually know that Abdul Qadeer Khan proliferated the Paki (URENCO) enrichment technology to Iran in 1989, from Wikipedia:
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Do you seriously think Iran just sat on their butt with this since 1989? ... 22 years bitches!
THINK! ... it took the USA about 2.5 years to enrich enough HEU for two Hiroshima bombs using a mere experimental technology, whilst still developing the techniques, and not even knowing if it would work.
The idea that Iran didn't do similar, as in the Iran of that time it was; at the end of a terrble war with Iraq and endless USN standoff in Gulf waters. Then the US Desert Storm >setup< of Sadam to get hm to invade Kuwait with US blessing, then the ruthless massive US attack on Sadam. Then the heavy sanctions on Iraq and the endless inspectors, endless air strikes within UN Declared no-fly-zone in Southern and Northern Iraq. The elimination of Iraqi Sovereignty, the sickening of children, the sectarian slaughter of Iraqis. The staggering economic and infrastructure damages. The military defanging and the shameful outrage of the UN oil for food program, the endless political and financial oppressions ... then the vile cunts just created a false pretext and invaded Iraq anyway!
Iran saw its future in Iraq, and it decided to make sure it did not happen to them.
And the threat to Iran was spectacularly large, but then George-FUCKING-Bush called Iran an "Axis of Evil", virtually implicating them in 9/11 with such absurdly aggressive and threatening rhetoric. And he said it even as he announced a change to US Nuclear strike doctrine to allow pre-emptive nuclear strikes.
22 years of that bitches! ... think about that for a bit.
You have the Paki centrifuge tech, and you have this ultra aggressive environment, created by the US/NATO and Israel, for 22 years, and another 10 years before that, so what would you have done with it to protect your country?
The MSM asserts we are to presume they did nothing!
It's idiotic ... no, actually ... it's beyond retarded.
The US and NATO are desperate to build a "Missile Shield" network in Europe and Middle East, not just because of Iran, but because they KNOW Pakistan has them. And they strongly suspect Iran has them. But Pakistan is the really dangerous Islamic state, and things are going from bad to worse with Pakistan. Iran is dangerous, but Pakistan is a nightmare. That is why THAAD is being deployed to Israel. Iran is still rather incidental, though there's a good chance it is nuclear-armed with a few munitions readt for use on a missile.
To assume the Iranians did not secretly build bombs is too dumb and too irrational for me take seriously at all. Let's just face it, the civil program that the IAEA gets to deal with, is the separate ancillary (useful but disposable) nuclear program. It is a real program, yes, but it is also a terrific distraction. It is being made to look more primitive and less capable than the Iranians can already achieve.
Bitches, this is Deception 101, this is what it looks like. Are we awake yet?
The actual munitions program will be much more advanced, and more elaborate, and it has already built weapon cores, and several full weapons are ready for full-scale testing, or even military use. Else Iran would not be as prepared to escalate this, all the way, into a potential strategic war.
Iran would not be acting so boldly as it is, unless it was SURE of its position and its readiness. This is a country that has been fighting combat battles since the early 1980s. they understand what it takes to win not just a battle, but a real war. They know the West has been distracted and duped by the civil nuclear 'effort', and they are clearly confident they can game this out, in their favour.
I wonder if the US Joint Chiefs, or anyone responsible in the Pentagon fully realises this? If there is, is anyone listening to them today? Or is everyone too afraid of going against the flow? Are they warriors, or wimps? Do they console themselves that they are 'survivors' first, so won't do the right-thing and expose what they know to be true, out of fear of not 'surviving'?
China and Russia will fully understand what has been going on in Iran, even if the fearless peacemaker within the hallowed White Hut, does not have a fucking clue of the reality.
So Russia and China are naturally going to feel obliged to sharply warn the US off of inciting or triggering a real war with Iran, or responding aggressively to Iranian counter-actions to US NATO sanctions. So Russia and China will thus likewise feel an imperative to provide Iran a 'bottom', in terms of financial and economic support to limit the damage inflicted, and stymie a US attack.
A country like Iran, that most probably has deliverable nukes, can not be permitted to become desperate, friendless and fully enraged, as well as under attack by the US NATO and Israel.
That reminds me... I need to fill the tank on mine and my wifes matching Escalades.
I call BS, sorry, I just don't believe in convienient coincedences.
And the War Pig's dance around their drums as they get louder. John Bolton as the directors of the Military Industrial Complex pray to their Demi God.. G.O.D. Gold, Oil, Drug's. We have officially breached our GDP and were broke, you figure it out.
Sad commentary on how TPTB resolve problems.
You can't make a deliverable warhead (weighs less than a ton) using 20% enriched uranium, but you can make a bomb with pieces that weigh less than a ton that you can then smuggle into America.
It's the civil program that's stepping up to 20% HEU.
There will be a separate buried military program.
Remember, that the Iranians saw what Israeli F-16As did to the Iraqi Osiraq reactor in June 1981.
But what people don't realise and don't generally know about is that the Iranians themselves also attacked the same Osiraq reactor 9 month earlier, but failed to destroy it:
The last bit is speculative, but the Iranian air attack on the reactor complex actually happened, and it happened before Israel finally finished the job nine months later.
So Iran knows exactly what would happen if they left a military HEU program above ground, or allowed it to be discovered, so they needed a parallel civil program to distract from it and to take the hit if any one decided to bomb it--which they would necessarily assume would probably occur, at some point.
And they also saw the ad-hoc US deep penetration bunker-buster developments during and since Desert Storm. They know how deep these US conventional weapon can penetrate, so they will have planned and engineered accordingly.
Plus no one would bother to build such an inefficient low-yield HEU explosive even to make a point, because it wastes far too much hard to generate feed-stock, needed get the real warheads. So if you are that close (at 20%), you would wait until you had at least 75% enrichment, because it doesn't take long once you have a lot of 20% HEU (which is he cutoff definition % for HEU).
Enrichment is a process that increases exponentially in speed with each iteration of enrichment and separation of the less fissile 'tailings' fraction. From 20% up the game changes fast and the weight of the material required for critical mass drops quickly and the processing speeds up. Getting it setup to work smoothly as purity increases is what takes the time and planning. But the Pakis had already done all this for them, all they had to do was build the system, and operate it as detailed (or rather, URENCO did it for them).
Once you get to about 90% enrichment you can make a very small compact and an actually rather simple 2-D implosive core design rather than the original simple, but also very dangerous and heavy US gun-barrel design, because the decay rate and neutron release is so much slower for weapon-grade HEU, than for the very radioactive hot Pu, so thus pre-ignition and inefficiency is a much lower risk with HEU 2-D or 3D implosive cores, so you can create a much smaller and lighter plus safer implosive mechanism that 'inserts' (compresses the core to 3 or 4 times normal density to create a more compact critical mass) with a less energetic, simpler to chemically create, insensitive high-explosive, in order to get a 10 to 15 kiloton bang (similar to the Nagasaki Pu bomb).
The design of a solid-state neutron trigger is then the only real challenge, to flood the core with a spray of energetic neutrons at just the right moment of nearly max-compression 'assembly' to get the chain reaction started at just the right moment to maximise the generations of exponential atom-splitting, before the core then expands again as it fills with the thus exponentially released nuclear energy.
We know the Iranians mastered shaped explosives and multiple ignition systems long ago, and know how to design advanced electronic systems. Almost any one can do it, so a zero-yield test development of a 2D or 3D explosive core (i.e. without fissile material present) is relatively simple these days, especially given the proliferation of high-speed imagery, data logging tech and materials science and advance metallurgy, CAD and CNC machines.
It's cheap and it's all rather comparatively simple now.
The Iranians have a military program, and it is buried, it is out of IAEA supervision, and they have pre-developed a series of functional weaponised warhead designs.
Effectively what the US and NATO are now doing is not waiting for the actual nuclear tests, (as they did with India, Pakis and Norks), they are instead assuming it's already happened, and are moving directly to economic sanctions and strangulation instead, as though a test had just occurred.
So where is the incentive for Iran to not test a nuke when it's fully ready to do so (with an existing weaponised capability on high performance ballistic missiles)?
The beauty of this HEU path to a-bombs is it's simple, and you know it will work (even if not efficently) and that pre-ignition and implosion and compression failures are much less critical, and lower probability outcomes. Most likely the HEU core will explode within an acceptable expected efficiency range.
So Iran would be quite confident of its capability, if it has them, and given how confidently Iran is reacting, I'd say they most probably so have them, probably at least a ten of them.
And no, they never had any intention of building PU bombs via the reactor fuel cycle path - the reactor is a civil distraction. Australia also tried this same distraction trick with the "Jervis Bay reactor" site, as when the reactor was cancelled, everyone just assumed this signalled Australia would not make a-bombs, and also would not be ABLE to make a-bombs, but Australia never had any intention of making Pu a-bombs, it simply didn't have to, because it had everything it needed to make compact HEU a-bombs, under the radar. i.e.
The Pu breeder reactor ruse is merely an expensive tactic, with a (totally unnecessary) civil application (and we had billions of tonnes of very cheap coal in the area) to hide and distract from the HEU program and the on-going secret uranium enrichment programs (4 of them, over ~32 years!).
Iran has simply used the old post revolution Bushehr reactor site to acheive the same levels of distraction from their secret HEU program, and masked it also using a civil enrichment program to confuse the situation even further (the MSM have no hope of dealing with or communicating that level of complexity and subterfuge).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushehr_Nuclear_Power_Plant
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US and Israeli nuclear munition design experts know all of this, and they need to make this very clear to the public and to the politicians. The Iranians are not fools and what Panetta is saying is certainly utter nonsense, but it is the first sign that the US now understands it has been out-manoeuvred. "Panetta admits Iran not developing nukes."
The great mistake they are still making is to continue to 'justify' imposing strategic sanctions that are a prelude to war, with that sort of garbled rhetorical horseshit as the basis for doing it.
What that idiocy will do is cause Iran to test a weapon and launch some satellites, which is real-geopolitic code for, "we can drop one of these on Washington or New York ... so you better get out of our face ... and STFU".
This is what the Pentagon and White Hut are really squealing about, the loss of US hegemonic power, that it is relying on a fatally-flawed missile defence paradigm to reverse. The more the US tries this silly approach the more EMP capability to counter it will assume maximum strategic importance, to rapidly degrade and overcome that house-of-cards missile defence network. That stupidity will just push us all back into an era of longer range ICBM missile development, and SSBNs and into variable high-yeild strategic EMP warhead designs, and their underground testing, and that will predicate long-range missile testing also, and that will greatly raise tensions to boiling point, and it will collapse the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, as well as the already effectively defunct NPT.
The MSM idiot, the Pentagon idiot, the Congress idiot, and the White House idiot, all don't know when to actually stop the sucicidal zionist horseshit, and grow up.
It's time to face-up to the fact that Iran most probably has the a-bomb, and has had it for a few years -- the world did not end.
Who Just Blew Up Iran’s Uranium Enrichment Plant?
http://www.anorak.co.uk/303333/news/303333.html/
has uranium stocks finally bottomed??????????????????????????????