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Think Apple is the only thing allowed to hit new records every month? Think again: presenting iFoodstamps - the number of Americans living in poverty (or at least doing a damn good job of fooling the government in pretending they do). As of December, per SNAP this number just hit another record high of 46.5 million, an increase of 384,000 in one month (and ending the trend of declines from October and November), 2.4 million in 2011 (about as many as have dropped out of the Labor force, hmmmm), and 14.3 million since Obama took office.

But it's not all good news for iCommunism: as of December the benefit per household has dropped to a series low of just $280.5. One can only hope this money is being spent on edible iPads and not on silly things such as iPot.

Finally, for the supreme definition of irony:


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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:14 | 2217045 ilion
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This is bullish for stocks?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2217062 swissaustrian
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Yes, for JPM because they're a big player in the foodstamp business

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:19 | 2217074 Buckaroo Banzai
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:23 | 2217098 The Big Ching-aso
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On a positive note, at least they're not on Soylent Greenstamps.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:24 | 2217104 Wakanda
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Are you sure?  Monsanto is everywhere.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:42 | 2217177 redpill
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True patriots bypass purchasing their own food so they can buy Yelp stock on credit.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:45 | 2217186 Thomas
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I see a different oddity: Why is the rise so steady?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:50 | 2217205 YBNguy
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Because taking one's gov benes is patriotic!


My take, if we cannot starve the beast (no taxes) we climb on its back and enjoy the ride. The more that jump on, the faster it dies from strain.


Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:20 | 2217282 Simulacra10
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I am starting to rethink the whole Cloward-Piven stratagey. Everyday I am becoming more convinced that the only way to change it is to collapse it. 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:27 | 2217295 Conrad Murray
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The collapse is inevitable. Once that premise is accepted, all that's left to do is prepare, then ride this motherfucker til the wheels fall off, two guns up.

Also available as pdf thanks(!) to member WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot -

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:58 | 2217451 Harlequin001
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Oh C'mon, surely at some point it costs more in printing real ink than these things are worth. Can't they just make it 'universal', so everyone can have them? Just think what it will do for GDP...

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 22:17 | 2218881 jerry_theking_lawler
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***How do you starve a 'hope and change' Obama supporter..............




you hide their foodstamps under their workboots.***

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 17:19 | 2218115 earleflorida
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wherever there's permanent pollution you'll find Monsanto's fingerprints

Exception: sterilized [?] hybrid corn ___  a genius pure play on marketing [ one-time throwaway/ non-recyclable] seed crops] 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 02:46 | 2238784 Silver Bug
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The welfare state continues to grow.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:24 | 2217105 economics1996
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I see green shoots. 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:26 | 2217111 Hippocratic Oaf
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You mean fried chicken.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:16 | 2217276 ilovefreedom
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soylent green

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:27 | 2217114 AbruptlyKawaii
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Yelp me ihungry

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:22 | 2217297 Simulacra10
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nothing new. See this video if Virgnia Ironsides 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:02 | 2217492 trav7777
trav7777's picture  "ethicists" said this shit?

The entire framing of the argument is absurd on its face.  Depriving a person of their life doesn't represent a "loss" to them either because they will be DEAD and unable to copmrehend the loss.  So long as you do it without telling them, the argument is equivalent.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:18 | 2217569 redpill
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Dehumanization is an important step in a much larger process.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:35 | 2218012 Cathartes Aura
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if you want to discuss "dehumanization" then you might start at the "sex" of the babies being theoretically discussed:

“We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her.”

As such they argued it was “not possible to damage a newborn by preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person in the morally relevant sense”.

and while you may not think it matters, I ask you to ponder why most arguments are framed in "he" - but this one isn't.  and also take into consideration that most abortions in places like India or China are because families traditionally seek a "male" baby, the female being "unnecessary" rather like a luxury good.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:29 | 2217127 dryam
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:22 | 2217298 johnQpublic
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...looking for a job

...paying my mortgage

...paying any bills for that matter


Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:36 | 2217654 prains
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:23 | 2217100 A Nanny Moose
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That shadow story the the bleeding hearts miss. The Welfare/Warfare state is merely welfare for the oligarchy.

It's all trickle-up

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:14 | 2217871 WhiteNight123129
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You mean JPM is benefiting because of its foodstamps derivatives business, not actual foodstamps.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:20 | 2217080 idea_hamster
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I suspect the falling per-household figure is due to a rise in the number of single- and two-person households that qualify.

If you're single and don't have a dependant child, qualifying for SNAP is pretty tough -- even your minimum-wage, 20-hour-per-week, U-16 level job likely puts you out of reach of a food stamp.  You're just too rich!

But as more and more singles and working single parents spend through their savings and slip down the ladder, they land on the SNAP safety net.  Those smaller absolute payments bring down the average per-household figure.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:04 | 2217502 trav7777
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your second paragraph just prequalified almost all black women

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:21 | 2217088 battle axe
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:30 | 2217129 I should be working
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How about - OBAMANOMICS.

It rolls off the tongue much better.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:59 | 2217232 Matt
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Obamanation rolls off even smoother. Pronounced like Abomination (no relation hehe) but with an Oh as the first syllable.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 23:24 | 2219008 dolly madison
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I down arrowed both comments about Obamanomics and Obamaeconomics because I think food stamp usage would be about the same now with McCain. 

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 09:43 | 2743331 l.hauri
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this is the future in this area. Great job! ways to lose weight fast

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 17:06 | 2218134 Belarusian Bull
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Nah, cmon, just good old socialism, nothing else. Comrads Americans. You make tovarish Lenin proud


Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:22 | 2217093 Gene Parmesan
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As Pelosi or the Obama administration will tell you, government welfare expenditures actually stimulate the economy and "create" more money. True story - they wouldn't lie, would they?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:06 | 2217249 Dr. Richard Head
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Paul Krugman would concur.  Government spending = GDP = Feed Everyone.  This is a war on hunger you know hunger is apparently losing.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:43 | 2217180 LongSoupLine
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iCapitulate...coming soon to an exchange near you!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:57 | 2217219 Zero Govt
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State subsidised poverty and State subsidised food ..luvvin it

This is bullish food inflation and bearish problem solving

Govt perfects the art of society and economics going pear-shaped

Welcome to the global village, Shitville, an unsustainable unproductive community built by Govts everywhere

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:07 | 2217513 trav7777
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these systems work better where there are no significant minority populations, and by that I mean brown people...but in the end, any system predicated upon perpetual growth is doomed.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:42 | 2217678 Zero Govt
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you've got your arse about tit, or head up your arse, as usual Trav

the "minority community" you talk of is the Govt (and its behind the scenes parasites). It is Govt that ruins society and ruins economies (a right bunch of suckers)

the "perpetual growth" you talk of is productivity, which is in effect mans knowledge, which is technically infinite.. which means growth is infinately possible (unless your brain seizes up in Kindergarten like most lefties!)

Black, yellow, red and white is a skin colour mate, not a measure of IQ or sociability (Hitler, Mao and Ide Ahmin are mixed race maniacs ...and there's the current US President who is a mixed race Marxist of course)

the only assured "doom" you'll realise is however that mentaility effects your lifespan.. try to think positive Trav, or just get that "End of the World" sign and tramp down the High Street and fulfill your destiny

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:57 | 2217787 sun tzu
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Hitler and Mao were mixed race? Mind telling us which races?

Unless you consider Jews to be a separate race, Hitler was not mixed race. The Ashkenazi Jews are definitely white. You can consider then an ethnic group if you want.

What race was Mao mixed with? How about Idi Amin?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 18:32 | 2218346 Zero Govt
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Hitler, Mao and Idi Amin are mixed race as a collective, not individually, but were all fuking maniacs (ie. the colour of your skin matters not one jot to human characteristics we all share as a species)

the US President is mixed race, so presumably Trav thinks his white (good) genes are fighting (and losing) with his black (naughty) genes which is why this Trotsky tosser is sending the US down the tubes even faster than that white fascist, Bush, who presumably Trav thinks is a white angel

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 16:53 | 2220177 vened
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ZeroGovt: "Hitler, Mao and Idi Amin are mixed race as a collective, not individually" - has to be the DUBMEST thing I have ever heard on zerohedge.  I will keep this message to entertain my friends for ages.  Thanks.

"Fuking maniacs" - you mean they were sex addicts? 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 17:00 | 2218114 Taffy Lewis
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@Zero Govt: Instead of Shitville, how about Mortsville? That's from an old John Waters movie called Desperate Living. When the King & Queen declared Backwards Day, all of the people had to put their clothes on backwards and walk backwards.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 18:34 | 2218372 Zero Govt
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Taffy, sounds like a film about Brussels!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:35 | 2217647 Clayton Bigsby
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Is the ECB now accepting these as collateral?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:50 | 2217700 Zero Govt
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the ECB accepts any old shit ..this is a 'Cash for Crap' of 'Prop-Up the Pinheads' scheme/scam for inept bwankers

..they'll do anything to show Jean-Clause Trichets two Stress Tests weren't a total fuking sham!!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 23:34 | 2219030 Bansters-in-my-...
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 No, it's iBullish.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:14 | 2217046 Squishi
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I am waiting for iFoodstamp 2,

much thinner

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:24 | 2217102 Wakanda
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iFoodstamp HD = twice the resolution and a better camera for a better frankenfood experience


Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:36 | 2217153 Dermasolarapate...
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iFood Blue Ray...even tastier.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:25 | 2217107 Tortfeasor
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Does iTunes accept EBT?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:07 | 2217254 Dr. Richard Head
Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:16 | 2217049 SokPOTUS
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You can't eat iFoodstamps.  Oh, wait...

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:17 | 2217054 Squishi
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soon people will trade them for food and cigarettes. 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:30 | 2217131 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:33 | 2217146 Squishi
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:37 | 2217159 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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People give up on their mortgages to buy iPads.  In the future, they will starve playing Angry Birds.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:47 | 2217189 LongSoupLine
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or, emulate the Angry Birds against the "pigs" in Congress.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:02 | 2217241 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Only after their ifoodstamps run out.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:41 | 2217379 Cruel Aid
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Why should they pay their mortgages? You can't even sell at a loss without being tracked for shorting scam.

It is the newest thing, after all parties envolved allowed the realtors to value up the price of these houses for extra revenue, we have a new FBI project of prosecuting real estate agents and appraisers (floppers) who gain from short selling homes.

The banks are going to get the full value or you will be removed from society till you get it.

There is no way around it. They will become slumlords if necessary, but they will get their money.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:16 | 2217052 Cdad
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Poverty, bitchez!

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 09:24 | 2219469 rbg81
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This may sound really harsh, but I think on of our biggest mistakes is trying to take the pain out of poverty.  By its nature, poverty should be unpleasant enough to motivate people to want to do better.  The problem is that we've made it so easy and comfortable to be poor, that being a slacker has gone mainstream.  And, of course, the politicians luv this because more dependency = more votes.  And it doesn't cost them nothing.  They using the Taxpayers credit card to get re-elected.

Methinks that, ultimately, the only solution is separating the population into two parts:  taxpayers and clients.  If you are a taxpayer, you get to vote.  If you are a client, then just STFU.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:17 | 2217057 alexwest
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thats why i dont like Ron Paul..

instead of blubbering in front of cameras about Gold standard/etc he should have jsut presented this chart to Mr Bernanke and ask the simple question



Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:21 | 2217086 GeneMarchbanks
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Americans are indifferent to the poor, something about bootstraps etc etc, don't know, ask Gingrich.

This doesn't get much play.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:32 | 2217142 LFMayor
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by poor, do you mean leeches?  The lower parastic class, as compared to the upper parasitic classes of academia and political circles. 

 I'm poor because I've been working and consecutively bled fucking white so they can live in halcyon days of luxury and ease.

Indifferent  hell yeah!  I don't care if they fucking starve or if they burn.  Same same to me.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:39 | 2217164 AnAnonymous
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Ah, the US citizen myth of the middle class. Everything stems from the middle class.

Alas, history shows that of the 'parasits', the middle class, that US citizen fabrication, is the biggest.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:05 | 2217247 Sophist Economicus
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China-bot, you're failing the Turing Test

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:42 | 2217176 GeneMarchbanks
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That's marvelous. I appreciate, not only your perspective, but your clumsy validation of my point.

See here it gets tricky, morally speaking. Here's you:

'The lower parastic class, as compared to the upper parasitic classes of academia and political circles.'

Now, since there is nothing I can do about having Shiti Bank being bailed out I can at least redirect my discontent and general hate at the homeless. This is your world, pal.


Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:59 | 2217454 sun tzu
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The poor here have nice section 8 housing, eat better than I do, have cell phones, cable TV, internet and sit on their ass all day. I'm out working 50 hours a week and am worse off. Americans are indifferent to the plight of the middle class. When they stand in soup lines I might feel sorry for them.

Most of the homeless aren't homeless because they're poor. They are mostly addicts and mentally ill. What does Shitibank have to do with allowing parasites to destroy the country?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:11 | 2217539 GeneMarchbanks
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'What does Shitibank have to do with allowing parasites to destroy the country?'

Absolutely everything. Entirely. You should look into it when you're not contributing to meaningless unrewarded activity that you call 'work', it might help.

Perhaps, if what you say is true, you should look into some more profound philosophical questions about the society you live in. Just a thought.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:00 | 2217803 sun tzu
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Your work is so meaningful. I'm sure you're making the world a better place with your meaningful work.

Perhaps you should stop spewing your bullshit and worthless thoughts. Your philosophy is crap

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:49 | 2217728 blunderdog
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You've never been poor, have you?

If you really think they've got it better than you, why do you continue to sweat and toil?  Join them and enjoy the paradise that is state-sponsored poverty.

Don't you remember the premise of Atlas Shrugged?

Maybe the welfare-recipients are just wayyyy smarter than you are, and you deserve to be their slave.  Heh.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:01 | 2217808 sun tzu
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Perhaps I'm not a parasite and don't want to be one. Perhaps I have goals in life unlike you parasites. Some people and organizations are perfectly happy existing as parasites. I'm not.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:18 | 2217901 blunderdog
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No, that can't be it.  You're JEALOUS of them, but you're unwilling to take the steps to enjoy their lifestyle.  Lots of people may not be able to compete with a great success such as yourself--perhaps a paraplegic can't do your job, but then again, he doesn't come here and post whining about how much you're getting paid.

You're either being dishonest by crying about how great the poor have got it, or you're lying to yourself about how motivated you are not to be a parasite.

As for me, I have a job and don't receive any benefits.  The only thing different between us on that score is I don't begrudge the poor their poverty. 

I used to have my own, and it sucks very badly.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 19:27 | 2218522 sun tzu
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I'm not jealous of you parasites at all. I simply don't feel sorry for you worthless worms. I guess that makes me cold-hearted

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 21:07 | 2218746 blunderdog
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I call bullshit.  I saw what you wrote a few hours ago.

The poor here have nice section 8 housing, eat better than I do, have cell phones, cable TV, internet and sit on their ass all day. I'm out working 50 hours a week and am worse off.

What makes you think I'm a "parasite"?  Or is that what you say to everyone who points out you're just a bitter bastard?  :)

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 09:48 | 2219480 rbg81
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I'm not indifferent to the parasitic poor--I'm hostile to them.

Rome had bread and circuses.  The modern US welfare state has SSDI, high fructose corn syrup, Eat Better Today (EBT) cards, Netflix streaming and Farmville.  Stand in line at Walmart sometime and see the human driftwood flashing their EBT cards and spewing venom at the poor cashiers.  It makes my blood boil.  Hard to believe that these dysfunctional, bloated buffoons grew up on the same planet I did, let alone the same country.  Tragically, its not the same country anymore and is getting worse every day.

We can still heal ourselves, but we need to drop the one-man/one vote BS.  Only taxpayers (or military vets) should be allowed to vote.  If that happened, our problems would disappear rather quickly.

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 15:49 | 2220042 blunderdog
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  Only taxpayers (or military vets) should be allowed to vote.  If that happened, our problems would disappear rather quickly.

Unicorns are more likely to save us.

If you really think all problems can be fixed with something as simple as a change to the voting rolls, you're a MORON.

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 09:15 | 2221486 rbg81
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Actually, it would not be a simple change at all.  It would constitute a political earthquake--which is why it will probably never happen unless the most extreme circumstances unfold. 

This country is very dynamic and robust.  We can heal ourselves if our politicians start making the right decisions.  The problem is that the pols long ago figured out that its easier to buy votes than to make smart, long term decisions.  Why?  Because, at the end of the day, the majority of the American people want free stuff as long as someone else pays for it.  If the ones paying the bills are in charge, then the stupidity will stop in short order. 

If you disagree, maybe you can elaborate on your solution instead of name calling?  And just saying "End the Fed" is pretty simplistic too.

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 15:43 | 2222211 blunderdog
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Campaign finance reform, end transfer payments, and eliminate the practice of legal "precedent" to replace it with a system more similar to common law.

And you didn't read carefully: I didn't say your solution was easy--I said it was SIMPLE.

Our problems are not simple.  Solutions will not be simple.

Can't oblige on the name-calling bit.  I'd still say you're a moron.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:48 | 2217195 goforgin
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Ron Paul was telling Bernanke that every American should be getting a 4-5 fold return on their money in a span of less than 6 years--you can't make this stuff up.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:00 | 2217469 sun tzu
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link please or else you are making it up

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:10 | 2217527 RobD
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During the dog and pony show the other day, RP made reference to the shadow stats inflation number of around 8% compared to the BLS number of 3%. He split the difference and said that if inflation was running at 4% the people should be getting 4% return on there savings instead of the .0x% we are getting today. The Burnanks reply did not stick in my brain, it was something like bla, bla, bla no inflation bla or something.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:03 | 2217822 sun tzu
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That's a far cry from the claims the socialist stooge made. Returns of 4-5x of what they are currently getting (4% vs 1%) is not the same as a 4-5x return on their savings (400%). It looks like the socialist stooge is making that stuff up.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:57 | 2217230 NEOSERF
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We need H Ross Perot and his charts again...really tired of the talk and wish the candidates would start throwing real numbers in front of people..

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:17 | 2217058 t_kAyk
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:41 | 2217169 slewie the pi-rat
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i see you've been posting for about a week, so hy-ayk!

it's only about $3.23 BIL/week for the burger, and we'll be repaid nextTuesday, of course

paper + digits = beef 

banksters lose trillions gambling and just get more free chips!  what a country!

everything is free unless you choose to work, comrade BiCheZ!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:50 | 2217204 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Are comrade bitchez chicks in uniform? 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:48 | 2217414 slewie the pi-rat
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not if they're working, comrade len_hen!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:29 | 2217331 t_kAyk
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apparently only suckers work.  and re-pay their debt.


it's good to be here slewie. 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2217059 Conrad Murray
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"as of December the benefit per household has dropped to a series low of just $280.50"

Not just sluts with 10 babies getting $400/mo anymore. Even single white males can get approved for $200/mo now. It's a token bailout for the slaves. Everyone should apply.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:20 | 2217079 Silver Dreamer
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Sure, why not?  Bleed the beast to death by a thousand cuts.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:26 | 2217106 Conrad Murray
Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:31 | 2217136 Silver Dreamer
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Well, no.  I'm not supporting that strategy.  Once the beast is dead, I want it dismembered and buried once and for all.  There will be no replacement.  All corporate and individual welfare needs to end.  A full economic collapse will make it happen too.  We are broke anyway, so the Cloward-Piven strategy has no chance of success anyway, right?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:49 | 2217198 Sophist Economicus
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so the Cloward-Piven strategy has no chance of success anyway, right?


Probably not.   But the Cliff Claven strategy is just getting warmed up

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:24 | 2217598 marathonman
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I've been thinking lately, what need is there for a Cloward-Piven stategy?  Liberals from back in the 60's didn't really think that voting for medicare, medicaide, and welfare would actually help the private banking cartel running the government pacify any resistance to their power did they?  The current political structure is so stable that it doesn't need to collapse.  The TBTF banks and their heads already control the economy, the media, and the government so there is no need for it to collapse.  It doesn't matter how we vote, the result will be another big government wanker that will take more of our freedom and stick us with an even bigger unpayable bill.  Why would the TPTB want or allow this system to collapse?  I don't believe in Cloward-Piven anymore.  We have already been subverted.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:41 | 2217171 AnAnonymous
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Depletion of resources is indeed US citizen strategy.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:12 | 2217265 riphowardkatz
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You are blobbing again? Where is akak to take you to task. 

Exploitation of resources is a capitalist strategy. Depletion of humans is a communist strategy. 

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 23:42 | 2219026 NorthPole
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Those who advocate Cloward-Piven or similar bullshit need to wake up and learn from history: this is precisely how a well-functioning Republic turns into Oligarchy, and then into Tyranny.

Case in point: the Roman Republic. It was a strong state (VII-circa III century BC) as long as the average voter was a small to medium sized farmer and the lower class ( urban plebeii, i.e. the free poor living in cities ) had little say so. That is because the small time farmer was an independent mind that made his own, rational decisions. The road to Oligarchy begun with the decline in family farms being replaced by slave plantations owned by the upper class, who then proceeded to form their clientele out of urban plebeii ( mostly by means of food rationing ). Suddenly the political system was overrun by Oligarchs with swarms of their clients voting as the Oligarch wanted. What followed was the Empire, i.e. Tyranny.

That's what is happening in the US: TPTB are forming their clientele out of the food stamp folks. Those folks are never going to vote rationally. They are going to vote for whoever promises to hand out the most, and soon the Republic, the Democracy and even the very middle class is gone. Then only the Vandals can cleanse this mess with sword and fire.

There is a reason why the Founding Fathers made this country a Republic, and not Democracy: they followed the Roman Republic, rather then the Greek Democracies of ancient world. And for the first 200 years, it was a success. Sadly, it's still following the Roman path and the time is now Ist century BC.

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 12:12 | 2219615 lakecity55
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Cloward-Piven was designed not to foster in a utopian socialist state, but a socialist tyranny with Cloward, Piven, and other "intellectuals" as the wealthy, privileged class. Billy Ayers drives a Mercedes.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2217064 GeneMarchbanks
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iCoporatism? iFascism?

Aw, SNAP! How much media attention will this get?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:21 | 2217087 Conrad Murray
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Whoever is behind the "People of Walmart" website should make one featuring carts full of "Shit People Buy with SNAP".

Here's a video version of the idea -

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:11 | 2217262 tekhneek
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That's a short list.

  • Doritos, steak, chicken, pork, shrimp, gatorade, cola
  • OR $.50 on the dollar exchange for crack/booze/cigarettes

Walgreens is leading the way though with huge "FOOD STAMPS ACCEPTED HERE" banners out in front for all to see.

As the saying goes though, if you can't beat'em, join'em.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:23 | 2217302 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Since the people of walmart are all fat land-whales, I took EBT being spent on junk food as a given.

Incidentally, Charles Murray (co-author of the Bell Curve) just released a new book about the trends in (white) behaviors that correspond nicely to the latest credit cycle, though he doesn't make that connection.

It all really just seems like there's been nothing but a steady rise moral hazard and laziness across the globe with many different symptoms (including debt crisis, fatassed welfare mammies, sleezy politicians etc.)

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:19 | 2217575 RobD
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Unfortunately the cheapest calories are starchy sugary foods so the poor load up on them. Add some crap vegetable fats to the mix and you have the perfect insulin resistant cock-tale that packs pounds of fat on humans. A starch based diet is not natural for humans and produces multiple bad side effects such as diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure and a number of auto immune diseases. Slow poison, hits most in there late 40s and without modern medicine it would be fatal in there 50s.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:58 | 2217795 blunderdog
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People who don't understand medical demography complain about this stuff.

Look on the bright side: anyone who dies before 65 saves about $2 million in Medicare expenses.

Let's have a hand for Breitbart for giving something back to us all.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:04 | 2217831 gatorengineer
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Wow what world do you live in...... thats a Myth of the media........  Starchy and sugary equal expensive.........

Hows oatmeal for breakfast, PB&J for lunch, and something with a can of beans or tuna for dinner or burger and helper for dinner.......  I grew up with it.....

Dorritoes, ice cream, oreos, Mickey ds etc..... are not cheap

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 18:09 | 2218313 Cathartes Aura
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what people don't want to acknowledge is the food we "grew up on" is not the same fudtm being sold in supermarkets now.

your suggested menu is, on the surface, a good one - but when you take into consideration most packaged fuds have some version of "corn" or "soy" derivatives to pad out the "nutrients" - and that BOTH these fuds are over 90% GMO in amrkn corporate fudstuffs - then you begin to realise how insidious the corporate agenda is.

such a simple food as "peanut butter and jelly" sandwiches need label checking for the "sweetener" used in the jelly, and a growing percentage of people, mostly children, are allergic to anything peanut. . .

"tuna" is even on a gov't list to eat less than once a week because of the heavy metals, etc. pollutants in the oceans, and as tuna are higher up the food chain, they contain more mercury, etc. - not great to feed one's children, let alone self.  there is also the Bisphenol-A lining cans, which contributes to xenoestrogens to the human body, distorting body chemistry.

"burger" is ALL GMO-corn fed feedlot fattened (unless you choose to pay significantly more for organic) with added anti-biotics, hormones, etc. in the cheaper versions - any wonder why "fast food" burgers are "fattening"?  feed lot food for the human feed lot.

not picking on your post at all, merely pointing out - the food we grew up on has been diluted, just like the currency. . . and our collective health.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:07 | 2217509 sun tzu
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Did you miss the 10,000 stories about the bailouts and crony capitalism the past 2 years.

The point of this article is to show there is a problem with the economy. Why are there record numbers of people on foodstamps if the economy is booming as they claim? Maybe it flew over your head

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:19 | 2217065 Scottj88
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Don't forget JP Morgan profits off issuing food stamps.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2217066 redytogo
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Economic Recovery!!!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2217068 Greater Fool
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Just waiting for the Chinese restaurants in my neighborhood to figure out how to accept SNAP. Bonanza!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:10 | 2217531 sun tzu
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Greasy fast food restaurants already accept SNAP. Here's a list according to ABC:

Church’s Chicken

Kentucky Fried Chicken



Grandma’s Famous Chicken

Eight Mile Pancake House

Mr. T’s BBQ

Vito’s Pizza


Jack in the Box


El Pollo Loco

Papa Murphy’s Pizza



Taco Bell

Pizza Hut

Papa Murphy’s Pizza


Domino’s Pizza

Golden Corral

Southern Cuisine

Rally’s Hamburger

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2217069 Squishi
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free buss tickets bitchez!!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:19 | 2217072 azzhatter
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that's how the statists take over. make you dependent on them for food and health care. pretty soon you'll be like a chinese sleeping in a hovel at your job for $1 a day

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:24 | 2217307 ALANBEEKMAN

Unless you're lucky enough to be assembling iPADS at Foxconn. Then you get $17.00 a day and a biscuit

with your gruel.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:20 | 2217076 distopiandreamboy
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How about a chart overlaying the S&P on food stamps numbers, just for laughs?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:19 | 2217077 i love cholas
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Food stamp program is subsidizing peace. imagine if 46 million people kicked off the food stamp program!?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:26 | 2217116 Wakanda
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Instant Project Mayhem.

Yeah I can imagine, but I try not to.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:08 | 2217256 riphowardkatz
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How are so many fat? I am thinking starvation is a long way off. Starving for a cheeseburger maybe.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:14 | 2217269 NotApplicable
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Because all everyone eats is carbs and loads of sugar. Meanwhile, they've been taught to avoid healthy animal fats.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:10 | 2217532 LFMayor
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meat is murder

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:11 | 2217540 sun tzu
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murdering plants is better

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:12 | 2217542 sagerxx
Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:08 | 2217519 Rentenmark
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Mayhem good!  Think of all the broken windows that would need fixing...holy recovery Krug-Man!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:28 | 2217118 Silver Dreamer
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Egypt stands as a recent example of what happens when people can no longer afford food.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:43 | 2217400 Conrad Murray
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When people are forced to decide whether to use their last loaf of bread for a meal, or for a helmet, shit has gotten real.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 15:22 | 2217588 Matt
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Those MENA dictators are quite a bunch of noobs. Just think, if only they had SNAP, they'd still be in power.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:34 | 2217149 LFMayor
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I'm getting hard thinking about it.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:05 | 2217836 gatorengineer
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I would call that a good start.....

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:20 | 2217078 Blammo
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Bush still at fault here?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:22 | 2217095 Squishi
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don't forget dick!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:25 | 2217108 GeneMarchbanks
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The fault of Dick & Bush, happy?........................ending.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:20 | 2217081 A Nanny Moose
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There's an app for that.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:20 | 2217082 VyseLegendaire
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There's alot of puns in there.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:21 | 2217085 Stoploss
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Well it's official that the indie "investor" is leaving the market in droves for bonds. The look on the MSM faces is priceless.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:22 | 2217094 Mr. Lucky
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A true barometer of unemployment.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:23 | 2217101 Schmuck Raker
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:24 | 2217103 turtle777
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How can I bet on this ? Is there an ETF or something ?

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:32 | 2217140 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Symbol:  JPM

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:25 | 2217109 Squishi
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Holy Crap the book is out, now I need to learn to read.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:28 | 2217121 Moneyswirth
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Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:44 | 2217126 Seasmoke
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i would really like to get in on food bill is just way too high each week.....anyone have a good manual how to jump thru the maze and loopholes for less than $2.99

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 13:31 | 2217137 Piranhanoia
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food stamps v.

war, war toys, bribes, payoffs,  no bid contracts.

take your choice?

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