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"I'm Bill Gross And I Endorse Ron Paul For President"

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As a follow up to today's must read letter from Bill Gross, the PIMCO head explains what was the thinking behind the conclusion that is slowly leading him to become a gold bug, the potentially erroneous assumption that the Fed can not drop rates below zero (not if Goldman and JPM have their way), why Bernanke has no choice but to write checks when the Twist ends in June which will lead to bond buying for the next 12-24-36 months. Nothing new. What is new, and absolutely stunning, is Gross' endorsement for president: 'I'm a little Ron Paulish." (6'24" into the clip)... That's right. The bond king endorses Ron Paul for president, apparently on the realization that very soon he will have to pay Tim Geithner for the privilege of holding hundreds of billions in US paper. And now we've heard it all. 

 

And with that statement, can we assume that all the cash that Gross donated to Barack Obama (see below) will flow toward "Ron Paul-ish" this time around?

 

Source: Exercises In Supreme Hypocrisy: Bill Gross Edition

 

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Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:04 | 2117515 CaptFufflePants
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I guess he needs all the help he can get after getting 7% in the Medicare state.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:06 | 2117527 ratso
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Bill - Take two aspirin and you'll feel better in the morning.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:09 | 2117546 I think I need ...
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GOT GOLD??????????????/

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:18 | 2117583 Comay Mierda
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he just heard about NEGATIVE INTEREST RATE BONDS today and he's fucking tired of keeping his mouth shut about politics.  I admire the guy. Enough is enough

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:27 | 2117606 MillionDollarBonus_
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I KNEW it. Bill Gross is now officially discredited as a financial professional. Ron Paul is a known hack who garners the support of conspiracy theorists, confederate racists and other radical extremists. Mr Paul has already been totally exposed by the media for his insane policies such as:

  1. Ending the war on terror and disarming America against Islamic extremists who hate our freedom
  2. Legalizing ALL drugs including marijuana (proven to cause brain damage), cocaine and even OPIUM
  3. Auditing the Federal Reserve which according to Dr Ben Bernanke (M.I.T, Princeton Alma Matter and current Fed chairman) would leave monetary policy open to political meddling which would give rise to blatant conflicts of interest

Needless to say, this association will seriously damage Mr. Gross’ reputation, which serves him right for betting against American debt, and selling out his own country.

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:29 | 2117621 BaBaBouy
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Ron Paul and GOLD, What More Do You Want/Need ???

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:35 | 2117630 BaBaBouy
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Million Dollar, you must thrive Orgasm on NEGATIVE VOTES ...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:36 | 2117644 Comay Mierda
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he keeps us "fair and balanced" lol  great sarcasm

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:58 | 2117706 BaBaBouy
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I Guess "Million Doller" is voting for that Used-Car-Salesman-Lookalike Nitt Ronney...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:04 | 2117724 Dave Thomas
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I betcha Million Dollar Boner and Hamy Wanger meatball each other as they type up troll posts on ZH. They're always referencing Ivy League professionals and keep using words like democracy all the time.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:18 | 2117760 smiler03
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'I'm a little Ron Paulish." 6'24" 

Doesn't that make little Ron Paul 8 feet tall?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:53 | 2117834 The Big Ching-aso
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I find Gross' new-found Ron Paulishness grossly insulting to my intelligence which is being grossly underestimated by Gross.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:58 | 2117874 akak
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For even DARING to mention "He Who Shall Not Be Named" (for his love of that diabolical yellow metal that earns no interest and that can't be eaten), much less without including several gratuitous and graphic references to anal rape:

I BAN YOU!!!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:10 | 2117935 BaBaBouy
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"Million Doller" Is gonna EARN a Big Bonus today for the HIGH Negative votes he scored here on ZH ...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:03 | 2118312 whstlblwr
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Yawn -- These comments get very dull to read when it's all response to idiot who is definitely *not* clever enough to be a writer for the Daily Show.

On other more important news. Anyone see that Pay Pal co founder gives Ron Paul a million. I'm buy more shit from Pay Pal. Thiel statment of support is great and ignored my lame media, of course.

"Harmon said in a statement to TheDC that ”Peter Thiel could see Mark Zuckerberg’s vision of Facebook before anyone else understood it. Peter knew that Facebook was the future and he was the first investor. I think Peter can see that Ron Paul is the future of the Republican Party.”

“While Romney and Gingrich are out pandering to voters over the age of 50, Ron Paul is winning over the youth vote, independents, Democrats, and ethnic groups — all of the demographics the GOP has struggled with for years,” said Harmon."

Ron Paul Revolution

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:02 | 2118634 clymer
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mdb- love you bro. never change. stay black, mdb.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:36 | 2118721 LowProfile
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Hysterical that these guys can't spot satire even when is smacks em right in the kisser!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:54 | 2118846 FEDbuster
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Well we won't see Gross on CNBS until after the convention, he'll get the Schiff treatment (a Ron Paul adviser). 

BTW has anyone noticed that the talking heads now refer to "which of the three" or "the three potential candidates".  The "one who cannot be spoken of" has "dropped out" of the race as far as FOX is concerned.  Once and awhile CNN mentions him, but even their hope that he runs as a third party candidate is fading.

To add insult to injury, Republican Establishment Excludes Ron Paul From 2012 CPAC Event

We are doomed, buy more long term storage food.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:09 | 2119124 Al Gorerhythm
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That's what I thought when I first read him, thinking; "Nobody can still be that flaming dumb!" but then I see the results of various primaries and my doubts are cast aside. Yup. he's that dumb. It ain't funny anymore.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 04:58 | 2119265 Hobbleknee
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It's not satire when that's all you ever post.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:03 | 2121024 akak
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Exactly the point that I have tried to make many times as well.

I think those bastards just suck --- there are enough REAL trolls out there without their dishonest contributions (if that is what they are).

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:40 | 2118733 fnord88
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"I'm buy more shit from Pay Pal. "

 

Paypal was instrumental in breaking wikileaks. They can go fuck themselves.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:25 | 2118227 Taint Boil
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Doesn't that make little Ron Paul 8 feet tall?

God that was funny - who in the "h" "e" double tooth picks junked that?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:42 | 2118439 Deo vindice
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Probably the very same humourless person who junked yours? Go figure. Some people just don't have a sense of humour. Sad.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 21:05 | 2118498 blunderdog
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Laugh it up, brah!  The junks are a joke!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 21:44 | 2118602 Max Hunter
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I junked it.. after I scrolled down and saw they were complaining about junks.. :)

Anyway,, Bill Gross should be screaming Ron Paul and Actually contributing.. He's short treasuries right?  We all know RP would stop letting the FED keep intrest rates down.. This position was fairly predictable..

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:11 | 2118799 Likstane
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same here, bitchez

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:20 | 2118685 SilverFish
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I think the 24" is the girth.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:20 | 2117764 prains
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MDB got his game face back...keep up the mediocre work

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:42 | 2117827 akak
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Is Trillion(Zimbabwe)DollarAnus a troll, a parody of a troll, or a parody of a parody of a troll?  Or has his meta-trollness finally become so tightly wound that he has sprung off into some unfathomable higher dimension of trolldom, of which all that we can see in our dimension is an incomplete and misleading intersection of his hypertroll existence with our own normal ZH spatial realm?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:08 | 2118169 prains
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he's just a resident pejorative troll hoping for multi dimensionality

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:26 | 2118755 Freddie
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CNBC and all of TV is such shit for morons.  All of TV is shilling and bowing to the Democrat's Muslim.  TOTUS Allah.  Gross is a tool for donating to the islamic.

  I used to have more respect for him.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 05:54 | 2119303 Disenchanted
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For the umpteenth time Freddie spouts the Obama is a Muslim idiocy:

 

All of TV is shilling and bowing to the Democrat's Muslim.

 

Jezus Kee-rist on a cracker! Freddie I'll copy and paste my response to DosZap on another page here, just for you:

 

 

DosZap burbled: "WHY does he kiss rad Islams ass, and slap the Izzys?."

 

Really?

Whilst Obama does not rely on votes from Israeli citizens (other than the occasional dual-citizen), he does rely on weighty campaign donations from U.S.-based supporters of Israel as well as endorsements from the Zionist influenced U.S. media.

quote from:

 Obama for President of Israel? | My Catbird Seat

 

Did Abner Mikva say that O-blah-ma would become known as the first Muslim President?

 

 "I think when this is all over, people are going to say that Barack Obama is the first Jewish president."~ Abner Mikva

 

quote from: http://www.chicagojewishnews.com/story.htm?sid=212226&id=252218

 

Were O-blah-ma's early major financial backers(Lester Crown, Penny Pritzker), in his rise to prominence, Muslims?

 

see:

Mr. Obama's neighborhood

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Article.aspx?id=118057

 

 

Is Obama's chief advisor(David Axelrod) a Muslim?

 

David Axelrod is described on the White House website as the former "Senior Partner" at AKP&D, who "managed media strategy and communications for more than 150 local, state, and national campaigns, with a focus on progressive candidates and causes."


SourceWatch has information about David Axelrodand his media companiesAs a former resident of Cook County who was born and raised in the Chicago area, I can say that the people who Axelrod has helped put into office in Illinois and Chicago are anything but "progressive."  Having monitored elections in Cook County, I can say with a high degree of certainty that the Chicago-based political figures that Axelrod has worked with are actually part of a large criminal enterprise.


Why would David Axelrod be involved in promoting candidates who are so easily corrupted?  Why is a son of Romanian Jewish immigrants working to promote black candidates in cities and states across the country?  Who tells Axelrod who to support and what policies to promote? 

 

quote from: The Axelrod Factor

 

For extra trivia points, prior to becoming President did Obama live right across the street from Chicago's oldest mosque?

 

see: Obama Chicago Mansion Birdseye - Cryptome

 

 

Thanks for playing Are You Dumber Than Someone Who Still Thinks Obama Is A Muslim

 

p.s. DosZap, are you also known here as "Freddie?"

 

end quoted earlier reply 

 

I should have added were Obama's first and current Chief Of Whitehouse Staff Muslims? 

 

But fucking hell man, if Obama is a true blue Muslim, he sure keeps strange company don't you think? 

 

What Obama really is, is a front-man and a puppet. But he is able to appear as being someone for anyone depending on where he's at and who he's talking to. Able to give flowery speeches(with the aid of a teleprompter) that are meaningless. Have you not noticed that his actions don't match his words? 

 

He is also a "Cult of Personality" as created by TPTB:

"Cult Of Personality"

Look in my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the cult of personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, Nobel Prize
When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set me free

I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your TV
I'm the cult of personality
I exploit you, still you love me
I told you one and one make three
I'm the cult of personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You gave me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the cult of personality

 

Living Colour - Cult Of Personality

http://youtu.be/kX2D9qszF3E

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:03 | 2117716 Captain Kink
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I knew Gross was a closet ZH-er.  I'll ask again, which Avatar is he?  

Hey, Bill, condolences on your brother in law and congrats on the granddaughter.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 21:47 | 2118608 akak
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I am Bill Gross --- and given my avatar, isn't it obvious?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:11 | 2119126 Al Gorerhythm
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I'm Sparticus.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 10:14 | 2119586 ucsbcanuck
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No, I am Spartacus!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:29 | 2117625 HoofHearted
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Some people are still taking this guy seriously. All us crazy conspiracy theorists will be the ones holding the gold when the rerack comes around. Best of luck to the suckers voting for OBromney.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:32 | 2117631 LawsofPhysics
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So you are still in favor of facism, kleptocracy, and the continued destruction of fiat capital via the mis-allocation of the primary dealers and the Fed's ZIRP?  Good for you, and my PMs thank you.  

 

I KNEW IT! you do write for Jon Stewart!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:20 | 2117767 MillionDollarBonus_
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I want an economy managed by EXPERTS, and I want the government to take a strong stance on drugs, terrorism and poverty. Ron Paul is a threat to the American way of life, and somebody has to tell the truth about his policies.

Obama/Biden 2012!! Vote for REAL freedom and liberty.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:21 | 2117769 prains
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mdb now you're just being plain silly

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:32 | 2117798 Transformer
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No He's not..  He's one of the true visionaries on this rag of a blog.  We have got to get back to true American values and RP is definitely not that.  We need a strong military presence the world over, and that making all the drugs legal, well. . . . that can only lead to slovenliness and even more unemployment. We also need a strong government to get through the coming hard times, to keep the populace in line, as crime and rebelliousness go on the rise.  Someone like Romney, who can create jobs, and knows how to straighten out the economy.  He's the man for the job.

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:51 | 2117867 The Big Ching-aso
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Could this be a hint of a Gross-Paul or Paul-Gross ticket?  Either way it sounds kinda gross.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:04 | 2117906 Robot Traders Mom
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@Transformer-"We also need a strong government...to keep the populace in line..."

 

Why are you trolling here? Go over to the fucking HuffPo if you want to act like a dipshit.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:09 | 2118108 Transformer
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Well. . . .  you definitely need someone to keep your urges in line.  Just look at you!!!  Has your mother seen you looking like this?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 05:02 | 2119268 StychoKiller
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Last time someone was in favor of "experts", Swastikas were all the rage!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:13 | 2118186 prains
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Transformer

 

you need a white five gallon hat,a bible and some buttless chaps, get on yer soap box an' praise the lord brotha!

 

 

/sarc for morts button on

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:32 | 2118248 Quantitative_Ap...
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"We have got to get back to true American values and RP is definitely not that."

 

Really? I believe the concept of a Federal government with SPECIFIC and LIMITED powers ENUMERATED by the Constitution is

the true American value the country was founded upon.....

 

Let me guess, instead by true american values you mean the MIC that  Eisenhower warned against??

"We need a strong military presence the world over,"

- "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." -  --  Thomas Jefferson


"and that making all the drugs legal, well. . . . that can only lead to slovenliness and even more unemployment."

oooh imagine americans free to make POOR choices!  Egads! the horrors of freedom. People might destroy their lives with weed instead of the societal approved method of alcoholism!!!

 

"We also need a strong government to get through the coming hard times, to keep the populace in line, as crime and rebelliousness go on the rise."

Seems to me Germany tried that after WWI . Had a very popular guy elected to fix the economy, put people back to work and found a scapegoat to blame the problems on. worked out really great in the end.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:13 | 2118657 Nigh Eve
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Now everyone sing!

"America, America uber alles..."

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:17 | 2119133 Al Gorerhythm
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You must be a "step-down" transformer.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:55 | 2118120 Vlad Tepid
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Just in case you're not a troll MDB, I will direct you to a perfect example of an economy managed by EXPERTS which also incidentally had a strong stance on drugs, terrorism and poverty.  A technocrat named Albert Speer put it together in the mid-1940s and it actually increased industrial output (read that as "real growth") in the middle of a massive manpower shortage and as the target of the worlds largest carpet bombing initiative. 

A bald guy named Mao tried pretty much the same thing but without as much success, which goes to show that you have to be really picky about your choice of prime totalitarian.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:12 | 2118181 dermus
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You want an economy managed by experts? Try the Soviet Union. Oh wait.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:40 | 2118732 SheepleLOVEched...
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go lay on a knife

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:19 | 2119134 Al Gorerhythm
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On a freeway.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 04:55 | 2119263 Inibo E. Exibo
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Under a truck.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:33 | 2117634 NotApplicable
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You cutting and pasting from DemocraticUnderground, er... make that FreeRepublic again?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:36 | 2117645 LynRobison
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Oh yeah, that's really great stuff, that American debt. Good as gold. 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:31 | 2118030 AUD
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The US government is selling oregano as weed?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:37 | 2117648 moroots
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You calling anyone a "known hack"....oh that's rich.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:46 | 2117674 JW n FL
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Needless to say, this association will seriously damage Mr. Gross’ reputation, which serves him right for betting against American debt, and selling out his own country.

LMFAO!!

Long live American Debt!

Long Live Usery!!

Jesus would be so Proud of us ALL!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:46 | 2117675 Robot Traders Mom
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@Million dollar-

 

How the fuck did you get any upvotes saying, what very well could be, the single dumbest comment ever on ZH?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:53 | 2117695 FubarNation
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She is at work and voted on 10 different machines.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:57 | 2117704 Poor Grogman
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I gave him a green for "most improved sarcastic wit"

 

Sorry bout the misunderstanding...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:58 | 2117710 Haddock
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I wholly endorse this non-dumb comment

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:16 | 2117754 buckethead
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Poe's Law states:[1]
“ Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing. ”

Sadly, this is so spot on modern day "enlightened political thought" that many take it seriously.

One day we'll look back and laugh.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:18 | 2117763 Robot Traders Mom
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Dude, we're trying to keep it unsophisticated this afternoon...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:49 | 2117862 The Big Ching-aso
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The pony-tails are giving me bad thoughts.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:16 | 2117965 Karl von Bahnhof
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Troll attack!!!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:30 | 2118246 Taint Boil
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MDB has got to be a joke - nobody is that dumb. I get a good laugh everytime the pie hole opens

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:46 | 2118861 kentmills
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Small phone screen led to pushing up by mistake? No other way to explain MDB thumb up.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 01:03 | 2180045 merizobeach
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Come on, dude, it's fucking funny.  It's obvious sarcasm, and I thought this installment was better than most.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:47 | 2117679 Karl von Bahnhof
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What freedom do you mean, exactly seer?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:49 | 2117689 knightowl77
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You've convinced me to vote for RP....

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:53 | 2117696 tradermonkey
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OK MDB, now can you prove you're not a stooge paid for by the 1% to plant disinformation on the internet? Because you cetainly post like one.

In my opinion this just proves that Bill Gross is able to see the wood for the trees and endorse a candidate that might. actually. do. something. for. a. change.

1. Obviously the war on terorism has been such a HUGE success in creating peace and tranquility round the world.

2. The War on Drugs. Ditto.

3. Auditing the Fed MIGHT lead to political meddling, but it is still better than the alternative of a private insitution making decisions beyond the reach of oversight BY THE PEOPLE.

Bill Gross and Ron Paul seem to be the only people who AREN'T  selling out their country.

Oh, pardon me since I gave up my own million dollar bonus trading fixed income I must have become a radical racist conspiracy theorist.

Monkey.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:56 | 2117881 seek
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Both MDB and HamyWanger have broken character several times. They're one of us, and not stooges, just providers of extremely dry sarcasm.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:44 | 2118069 tradermonkey
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If you say so SEEK.

Drier than one of Bond's Martinis.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:16 | 2118195 dermus
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Links? The problem is they mix in a bit of truth (conspiracies etc), so it's hard to tell whether it's really sarcasm. Even then the conspiracy stuff is just a result of the Libertarian strategy of gathering as many supporters on single concrete issues as possible (end the Fed, drug wars, etc) no matter who or why they support those policies. On this point I prefer the Objectivist policy of staying away from such alliances.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 01:14 | 2180068 merizobeach
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It's definitely all sarcasm, but I don't find Hamy's stuff funny; MDB, however, splits my sides--not always, but today, yes.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:45 | 2118746 Mises knows best
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ALso Ron Paul supporters will only vote for Ron Paul.  So if you don't want Obama then pay attention.

http://www.freemarketfan.com/2012/02/there-is-no-such-thing-as-former-ron.html

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:55 | 2117697 tradermonkey
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Apologies. Double post

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:58 | 2117705 drivenZ
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I must admit I'm not a  huge Ron Paul fan but these three things are among the best of his policies, IMO.

 

 

  1. Ending the war on terror and disarming America against Islamic extremists who hate our freedom              We will never win wars on idealogy, we are not the world's police, and so called fiscal conservatives that support these wars are a farce and part of the downfall of the country.  
  2. Legalizing ALL drugs including marijuana (proven to cause brain damage), cocaine and even OPIUM          Yea marijuana causes brain damage and alcohol and tobacco do what exactly? oh right, they give you cancer and kill you.     
  3. Auditing the Federal Reserve which according to Dr Ben Bernanke (M.I.T, Princeton Alma Matter and current Fed chairman) would leave monetary policy open to political meddling which would give rise to blatant conflicts of interest. Political medling in monetary policy? what do you think happens now? this is a horrible excuse. 

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:19 | 2117976 Robot Traders Mom
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And why aren't you a huge Ron Paul fan???

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:45 | 2118073 slewie the pi-rat
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most likely waiting to see who el-arian likes, first

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:06 | 2118136 Transformer
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Robo--"And why aren't you a huge Ron Paul fan???"

Isn't it obvious.  RP is going to end everything that is good and wholesome about America.  He will cut our military abroad down to nothing!!  Who will spread democracy then?   He will cut actual spending by the federal government!!  This will really hurt the economy, now is not the time to cut back.  He will make drugs legal!!!   Your sons and daughters will be smoking devil weed everywhere with a huge rise in crime and teen pregnancy.

Don't you get it?  More freedom is not what we need.  We need more control.  What with the economy and all, crime and rebellion are going to be on the rise and the government must protect us.

Jeeez.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:01 | 2118324 UP Forester
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AND, we found out where The Bernank's leeches went that Rick was asking about.

 

They've transformed Transformer's cranial cavity into a salad bowl.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:58 | 2117707 Silver Bug
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At least Bill Gross isn't afraid to step out of the lemming herd. He should be a little "Ron Paulish", Ron Paul is the only true man still running!

 

http://ericsprott.blogspot.com/

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:08 | 2117733 Captain Kink
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And he likes Ron Paul despite the fact that, as Santellli points out at the end of the video, FED policy will hugely benefit firms like PIMCO and people llike Gross.  Easy to be noble when you're worth a cool billion, but at least he is getiing it right.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:09 | 2117933 Matt
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How does ZIRP and QE benefit bond funds again? Let's not even talk about real returns, even nominally what is the average yield across all maturities? 2.5 percent?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:59 | 2118134 slewie the pi-rat
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the captain is way too kinky to quote santelli and know wtf he means, too

listen, matt: is santelli kinky to you?

and don't piss him off, he hasn't had a lick of strange since breakfast!

if you understand, grasshopper, you may have command potential...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:29 | 2118399 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L!!!  you don't need to get too negative here!

i don't know what santelli means or the captain, either!  rilly!

maybe the smarty will enlighten us all, here, instead of just junking? 

hey! maybe the junker knows the thinking behind the paul bill too!  the one about the "FED's" 1.6 $Tril that drPaul "introduced" right after the "ceiling" votes in early august, last year?

the legislation:  what's the thinking and legal/economic argument(s) there?  i've asked about a half-dozen times now, on rPaul strings, and nobody ever tells me what their candidate is thinking and doing, here...

,,,i wonder why...

maybe i can help!  what does the US Constitution say about fiat currency as "legal tender"?  the FederalReserveBank?  and what does this  new paul 'law' say about the "debt" held by them?  anybody?

no hurry, we've got practically the whole year, here, or at least a few months till the Convention and Candidate, and it's only been 6 months, so far, since the Bill was introduced and all zH ronPaul fans have refused to say one word about it.  one word...

...except for...slewie

no wonder this poor, old gyno isn't doing better!  what is your candidate's purpose and strategy in introducing this "law" immediately the debt ceiling was raised? 

anybody...?   drPaul?  do you know, uh, reverendHolyElectedRep-turned-prez-candidate?? oh, puleeeease tell us, massah or acolytes!  we needs to know!

you see, i think we know too little about these "bills" and these "deals" and "moves".  i'm sure this isn't something he would do so someone would write him a check, but what is he doing?  and why?

as ORI might say:  ...anyone...?

or have many of his supporters lost the...ability to think for...themselves...?  about...rPaul4prez...?

...anyone...?

if you can't answer a relatively simple question or two about your candidate and what he is doing and why, how can you help him win? 

roasting marshmallows and tossing them to him?

why did he introduce this Bill as a presidential candidate, what are its implications for the nation and for his candidacy? 

...anybody...?   drPaul? 

if you don't know, and you can't find out, and you can't understand him, is that hard to talk about, sometimes...?

go ahead and junk me, but maybe just one little link explaining this?

i'll be around...  take another 60-90 daze if ya need it, ok?  you, too, tyler!

thank you in advance, btw!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:53 | 2118882 Likstane
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What are you asking?  Would you simplify the question?  Are you asking what Ron Paul was/is thinking when he introduced certain legislation?  Why don't you tell us what Ron Paul was/is thinking instead of giving us hints?  Maybe I am not as smart as you and maybe you aren't as smart as you sound.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:29 | 2121125 slewie the pi-rat
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i don't know, and i wasn't aware of trying to give you 'hints'

so, hello and thank you for asking

i see that you were not a "member" last summer during the "debt ceiling crisis" but at that time, rPaul was part of a republican majority in the House that said it wanted 'fiscal responisbility' and there emerged a "balance budget amendment" and then they all agreed on the path to take and raised the ceiling and established the "super"committee [which has now, apparently failed, politically]...and then drPaul introduced this Bill

at the time i questioned whether he was more interested in "getting along" in DC or providing a higher level of leadership for the nation's situ

so here's this Bill of his which, if passed, would say that the US did not owe $1.5+ Tril to the FED because "we owe it to ourselves"

so, i tried to see what drPaul's supporters here on zH thought about this "legal principle" and had not received and answer whatsoever after a handful of tries, till this string, here, and fuu

so now we have a miniscule "dialogue",  but at least it is here with zeroHeads like you

here is a candidate for our highest office, and i don't undertand what his "message" is, in certain respects, so i'm asking his supporters about it, and finally starting to get some response and interest in MY questions/concerns, which fuu has now found interesting too, viv-s-vis the Constitution and the FED and the "definition of 'money' "and the 2012 election, too

so, your question is understandable b/c this started "b4 your time"

why you would question another person's intelligence while asking a clarifying question is, however, beyond my control, though not entirely beyond my understanding, perhaps, since a year ago, i was pretty new here, too, trying to integrate my own [lack of] understanding and comfort/aggression dynamics around the fighting

of course, i don't know whether that fits 4U or not, but my understanding is that it might...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 10:25 | 2119023 fuu
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I'm a little brain fried right now but I did find something interesting while looking around for information to answer your question.

United States Notes issued between 1862 and 1971 stated: This Note is Legal Tender for All Debts Public and Private Except Duties On Imports And Interest On The Public Debt; And Is Redeemable In Payment Of All Loans Made To The United States.

Federal Reserve Notes of course state: This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private"

That may or may not have anything to do with the price of tea in China.

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 09:45 | 2119497 RiverRoad
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Re Silver Bug:

"Ron Paul is the only true man still running!"   And maybe he'll pull off a "Truman" on the MSM.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:03 | 2117723 astoriajoe
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"...Mr Paul has already been totally exposed by the media for his insane policies..."

Sort of makes me view him more favorably.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:08 | 2117732 Malachi Constant
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Did you forget the sarcasm tag?

Or do you. Actually. Believe. This?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:29 | 2117789 Silver Pullet
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"Auditing the Federal Reserve which according to [Bernanke] would leave monetary policy open to political meddling which would give rise to blatant conflicts of interest"

As opposed to the covert conflicts of interest going on now...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:36 | 2117813 SilverDOG
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MillionDollarBonus_

 

You readily display massive brain damage.

"marijuana (proven to cause brain damage)"

seek help, get a vaporizer.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:46 | 2117848 krypplephite
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MDB - Congratulations - You're retarded!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:51 | 2118094 entropos
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How anyone can down-vote MillionDollarBonus is beyond me. Dolts.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:52 | 2118103 hawks5999
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I think you are punking the other commenters here. Well played.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:33 | 2118258 zerotohero
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He's not "selling out his own country" - his own country has been selling out all Americans for decades.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:00 | 2118896 cranky-old-geezer
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Your trolling shows some improvement here.  One of your better pieces (of bullshit) :)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 04:29 | 2119235 Disenchanted
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Since we're about to be Neo-CONNED again...

Maybe everyone can use a reminder...from almost 9 years ago(the following quote could have applied equally as well in July of 2009):

 

"Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who’s really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?" ~ Dr. Ron Paul July 10, 2003

 

There's a link to the transcript from which above quote was taken,  in the video info section...here:

 

Dr. Ron Paul Neo-CONNED - July 10, 2003

http://youtu.be/OSY296oTHyw

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 08:06 | 2119378 Archduke
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if  we want real capitalism, we must eliminate the border bias of the offshore secrecy jurisdictions.

these barriers are like OTC market information asymmetry.  they exist purely to pilfer wealth for

the elite  at the expense of both developed economies and the emergent and struggling nations.

your liberty ends where your fist swings just shy of my nose.  legal and fiscal paradises certainly

punch above weight and flagrantly violate the eminent domain of a civilised market economy.

not one armed conflict, criminal undertaking, and fraud has not been enabled via these havens.

instead of fighting wars over legitimate resource producing economies like middle-eastern oil,

our troops would be better served by annexing the fiscal paradises that undermine everyday

the workings of a real market economy, exposing the russian dolls of their fiduciary finagling

and restoring transparency and rule of law for all.  not one shot would have to be fired, not one

soldier would have to die, and as a bonus there would be some serious well-merited R&R time.

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:30 | 2117626 Hansel
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That was an incredibly sheepish endorsement.  "I'm a little Ron Paulish"?  WTF! SAY IT LIKE A MAN WHO MEANS IT GROSS!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:11 | 2117740 NotApplicable
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That's ok, as it makes it safer for the other sheep to consider.

Bill takes a baby step which provides space for those around him to do likewise.

Remember, that even in the face of violence, the world is ultimately ruled by ideas.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:13 | 2117746 optimator
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"Sheepish", but very brave.  For starters he won't be getting his "Bankster Club" renewal card in the mail.  can you say, 'ostracized'?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:57 | 2117882 fockewulf190
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Yeah, being a little Ron Paulish is like being a little pregnant.

You either are or you are not. He's probably afraid of being marginalized by the vast majority of those who work in the financial industry and are pumping funds to plastic haired, shiny teethed, meely mouthed Mitt the suit.

Fuck that man! Tell the people you get a Pimco everytime Ron rallys the masses, or don't say anything at all.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:56 | 2117703 He_Who Carried ...
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...as I said, the guys in Munich shoulda fired him last year. Now its almost too late ;-)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:26 | 2119141 Al Gorerhythm
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You've got to get out in the sun more.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:10 | 2117548 Pladizow
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Paul/Gross 2012!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:18 | 2117587 JoeSexPack
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& Napalitano for AG!

 

or Paul/Napalitano, with Gross as Treasury Sec'y.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:10 | 2117738 Captain Kink
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Gross is angling to be the new Fed Chairman or Treasury secretary in the new administration...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:15 | 2117752 optimator
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I think that post has been assigned to Lies Man who's the morning co star of that "Slope and the Dope" show".

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:06 | 2118163 slewie the pi-rat
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if el-arian can beat prez0, billG will get the US Treasury, for sure!

certainly most thinking democrats (pick a number, huh?) would prefer theEgyptian over theKenyan at this point

his campaign could center on the idea that prez0 is not even qualified to be vicePresident!  just get on the ballot in a coupla states and see if you can get that snoball rolling, el!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:04 | 2118904 cranky-old-geezer
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He can forget any hope of such a position with his endorsment of Ron Paul.

No way will RP be nominated, much less elected.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:08 | 2117540 Future Tense
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Other than his "highlight reels" against Ben Bernanke, this has to be one of Ron Paul's best clips ever.  His predictions from 2002:

http://www.ftense.com/2012/01/ron-paul-predictions-2002.html

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 15:12 | 2120862 Archduke
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prescient.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:15 | 2117569 James_Cole
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Gross said this weeks ago on CNN, on Erin Burnett's "Outfront" program he supported Ron Paul out of the Republican field and Obama overall. 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:12 | 2117743 DosZap
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James_Cole

Gross said this weeks ago on CNN, on Erin Burnett's "Outfront" program he supported Ron Paul out of the Republican field and Obama overall. 

I smell a RAT, there is no way Paul can get the Nomination(as bad as I wished), IF he did, so many people are so ill informed about who & what he is, has been, they would vote for the sack of Islam.( my gut says this is Gross's real agenda)

Bammy,has been to almost ALL the Islamic states he can go to (w/out maybe  getting popped) since coming in.

NOT one trip to Israel............WHY does he kiss rad Islams ass, and slap the Izzys?.

He has handed the Radical islamists every country we have made war against to the damned enemy.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:25 | 2117776 buckethead
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Not sure why you see Obama as not carrying water for Israel.

He's GWB Jr.

Rhetoric aside, his policies have been similar to, or mere extensions of Bush's. The rhetoric is campaigning. The policy is for surviving the initiation into the NWO shotcallers club.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 05:18 | 2119270 Disenchanted
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DosZap burbled: "WHY does he kiss rad Islams ass, and slap the Izzys?."

 

Really?

Whilst Obama does not rely on votes from Israeli citizens (other than the occasional dual-citizen), he does rely on weighty campaign donations from U.S.-based supporters of Israel as well as endorsements from the Zionist influenced U.S. media.

quote from:

 Obama for President of Israel? | My Catbird Seat

 

Did Abner Mikva say that O-blah-ma would become known as the first Muslim President?

 

"I think when this is all over, people are going to say that Barack Obama is the first Jewish president."~ Abner Mikva

quote from: http://www.chicagojewishnews.com/story.htm?sid=212226&id=252218

 

Were O-blah-ma's early major financial backers(Lester Crown, Penny Pritzker) in his rise to prominence Muslims?

see:

Mr. Obama's neighborhood

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Article.aspx?id=118057

 

Is Obama's chief advisor(David Axelrod) a Muslim?

 

David Axelrod is described on the White House website as the former "Senior Partner" at AKP&D, who "managed media strategy and communications for more than 150 local, state, and national campaigns, with a focus on progressive candidates and causes."

SourceWatch has information about David Axelrodand his media companiesAs a former resident of Cook County who was born and raised in the Chicago area, I can say that the people who Axelrod has helped put into office in Illinois and Chicago are anything but "progressive."  Having monitored elections in Cook County, I can say with a high degree of certainty that the Chicago-based political figures that Axelrod has worked with are actually part of a large criminal enterprise.

Why would David Axelrod be involved in promoting candidates who are so easily corrupted?  Why is a son of Romanian Jewish immigrants working to promote black candidates in cities and states across the country?  Who tells Axelrod who to support and what policies to promote? 

 

quote from: The Axelrod Factor

 

For extra trivia points, prior to becoming President did Obama live right across the street from Chicago's oldest mosque?

see: Obama Chicago Mansion Birdseye - Cryptome

 

 

Thanks for playing Are You Dumber Than Someone Who Still Thinks Obama Is A Muslim

 

p.s. DosZap, are you also known here as "Freddie?"

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:20 | 2117766 Rip van Wrinkle
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Good to see he's a man of principle. Obama and Paul obviously stand for exactly the same policies.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:17 | 2117757 Robbed by Bernake
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Off the subject; I just called Bank of America to get a purchase mortgage and I was told that "due to high call volume they could not take the application at this time, but I could leave my name and number on their reservation list for a call back in 60 TO 90 DAYS."  

So they are not lending money out.  Do they not have money to lend; is end game near?  BofA phone number is 888-683-6405, option 1.

I cannot believe an bank this large just gave me this response.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:03 | 2117898 vast-dom
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I know someone that works in their mortgage dept. and not lending has been their policy for close to 3 years now so nothing new whatseover. No end game when you got hopium infinitus rehypothecationus pandemic.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:45 | 2117845 vast-dom
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Bill and I got shellacked on our bond short positions. I will ride that ship to the godamn bottom if I have to, NEGATIVE YIELDS notwithstanding. But just for the record, it is ILLEGAL for (Teh Fed) to create ultra-syntehtic read destructive manipulations a la the motherfucking negative yield! WTF econ playbook perversion have we come to for this to even be uttered, let alone considered. In this alter-world reality I would like the IRS and Uncle Sam to go fuck themselves and collect my NEGATIVE INCOME TAXES ie send me the same kind of check you distributed to your insolvent criminal pals -- until then IRS go FUCK YOURSELVES I AIN'T PAYING NO BAILOUTS AND FUNDING NEGATIVE YIELDS!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:53 | 2118310 blunderdog
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...it is ILLEGAL...

Eh...that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 15:20 | 2120888 Archduke
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+1. it's also illegal for the fed to hold equities, corp bonds, mbs, cdos, spvs as collateral.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:04 | 2117516 LongSoupLine
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Well...there goes the neighborhood...

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:11 | 2117554 killallthefiat
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Bill Gross has been busy today.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bill-gross-why-we-are-witnessing-death-abu...

My grand conspiracy theory is this:

Ron Paul is a useful idiot on the way to the gold standard.  He is also an advocate of austerity.  What more could a bunch of global gold owning elite want.  Let central banking fail and buy up assets in the new monetary system for pennies on the dollar.

Either way, Ron Paul is better than the others.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:14 | 2117565 LawsofPhysics
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you are correct, ultimately gold will get revalued.  Just as soon as it is held by all the "right" people.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:21 | 2117598 Confused
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This seems like the play, now doesn't it? Couldn't agree more.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:40 | 2117649 tekhneek
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I actually agree with that. It makes the most sense. Nobody knows what the fuck's going on. Joe 6 won't buy gold because "It's too expensive" and you have this gem "Why in the world would anyone spend $35 to buy a silver dollar? That's stupid."

It wouldn't surprise me to wake up and find that things are much different than they were just the day before. Think about it: Everyones retirement (For the most part) is in 401K/pensions (paper) and their savings is the same (paper). You could confiscate and transfer massive amounts (trillions upon trillions) of wealth both nationally and globally in one swoop.

For every person who owns physical gold and silver there is (at least) 1,000 that don't if not 10,000. That's a massive wealth transfer waiting to happen.

I bet they're salivating at the thought honestly.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:03 | 2118153 Transformer
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Ok, Miss Smarty Pants, why should someone pay $35 for a silver dollar?  It really doesn't make any sense.

And if you try to take money out of your 401K, you have to pay a penalty.  Besides, it has always been safe there.

And gold and silver may look a little better this week, but, face it, the bubble has burst.

 

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:31 | 2118250 akak
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You are no HamyWanger or TrillionDollarAnus.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:31 | 2119146 Al Gorerhythm
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You have a very large red pill to swallow, Tranny me boy.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:42 | 2117659 NotApplicable
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It just seems to be taking so long because they are shaking every last branch of the tree in order to make sure there will be NO competition left to their rule.

Thus the "market remaining irrational longer than one can remain solvent" quote.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:56 | 2117854 vast-dom
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And let's not forget the potentially parabolic GSR ;p

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:04 | 2117517 Chuck Bone
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Then put your money where your mouth is. Give him cash!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:05 | 2117521 monopoly
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Wow, he is really coming around to intelligent conclusions. That is a surprise.

And off topic.

Bloomberg:

 

AMR to Trim 13K Jobs in Plan for $2B in Cuts

How's that ADP report again?

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:13 | 2117561 Manthong
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50,000 + more retirees for the PBGC -- bullish!

Actually, it may be best for them in the long run as any private retirement plan is toast in the future.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:22 | 2117603 PontifexMaximus
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If they would plan to cut 25k, should be good for 10 points on the S&P on the upside

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:28 | 2117623 LongSoupLine
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Look for the next ADP subreport for airlines to show +100,000.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:05 | 2117522 redpill
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Ron Paul, bitchez!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:13 | 2117564 Hugh G Rection
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I don't give a shit if Paul isn't the GOP candidate...I'm writing him in.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:28 | 2117614 Mr Kurtz
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Well I understand that Republican PTB have seen to it that Ron Paul is "personna non-grata" and has been barred from attending CPAC. I guess after winning the 2010 and 2011 straw poles that it would be just too damn embarrassing for "Mittens" to be trounced a third time. Well, at least intellectual heavy weights like Herman Caine and neocon apparatchiks like Bolton and Coulter will be there to rally the base.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:33 | 2117637 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The Republican party is in the stranglehold of reactionaries. If they'd lighten up just a bit Ron Paul would deliver to the party millions of young, new members. But the Republicans apparently don't want new members if they're going to insist on smaller government, fiscal restraint and rule of law.

Go figure.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 16:42 | 2117660 redpill
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That's because they are fascist neocon warmonger RINOs that have steadily hijacked Goldwater's party.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 17:47 | 2117857 akak
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"Warvangelists" covers it nicely, and is my new favorite term for what the GOP has become.

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