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IMF Vows To Spend Some More Taxpayer Money

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From Peter Tchir of TF Market Advisors

IMF Vows To Spend Some More Taxpayer Money

Markets in Europe opened wish some hesitation about how well the latest bailout would work, but along comes Borges to kick-start the rally.  He touched on all the right buttons.

He confirmed that EU officials are working on a bank-recapitalization plan.  He suggested banks could use 100-200 billion euro.  Where they get the money would be a more interesting question if they had a better clue how much banks would need.  That seems a pretty big range given how long this crisis has been going on, but it is making the market happy as it has bank-recapitalization and co-ordinated effort - what else does the market need?

Borges also suggested that the IMF could invest alongside the ECB/EFSF on Italian and Spanish bond purchases.  Well, that is a new source of funds.  I guess the realization that the EFSF money has already been spent 4 times made everyone realize they needed a new plan.  Now the IMF can participate in open market purchases and maybe prod investors into leveraging the EFSF as a bank?

No mention on how excited American's will be to fund even bigger IMF outflows.  I assume the current administration is supportive of sending our money to Europe and bumping up against the debt limit ceiling sooner, rather than later, but this could easily become a political hot potato.  China will be a decent size contributor.  I always had the sense that China likes to be in control, I wonder how excited they will be to participate in some new IMF scheme.  Then Europe has to contribute more money.  So German taxpayers will be giving money to the rest of Europe through this back-door.  Italy and Spain will fund themselves - again.  A bunch of smaller countries who mostly signed up so they could travel without border checks must be wondering what they have gotten themselves into.

Borges said Dexia would have its own solution.  I guess that is good.  A bunch of lines about Greece, EFSF, ECB, and Portugal that seemed confusing at best also seemed to help the market as the lines contained such keywords as "solution" "not a surprise" "ECB has a Central role" "EFSF needs to be a catalyst"

So the "Europe finally gets it" camp is happy again.  They are seeing co-ordinated effort, stepped up rhetoric, and more money being thrown at the problem.  It seems to me, that the more senior you are in the banking world, or more senior you were, the more likely you are to be in this camp.

The crowd that is wondering who will foot the bill remains dubious.  Economic conditions continue to deteriorate globally.  There is less willingness and less ability of the "rich" nations to fund the "poor" ones.  There is even less willingness to fund the banks.  It is great that Europe finally sees the problem, but they have waited too long.  There is no group of countries left that is strong enough to support the banks and weak nations without getting dragged down themselves. It seems this camp is filled with lower level credit guys and some distressed debt people who just don't see how the circularity can work.

The other thing that I have noticed is that the more involved you are in the markets, the more willing you are to believe that Europe can act as Europe.  The more involved you are in European politics, the more concerned you are that European nations are becoming more nationalistic.

Anyways, we are back to rallying on headlines and sound-bites and hopes that "Europe Finally Gets It"   Maybe this time the details won't disappoint.  Actually, maybe this time we will get to the details, since so many of the last few rallies were based on rumors or plans that never even made it to the detail stage.  In the meantime I will try and figure out how Italy providing money to EFSF so the EFSF can buy their bonds, how Italy contributing to the ECB which buys its bonds, how Italy providing money to the IMF to buy Italian bonds, and Italy working on plans to save Italian banks whose exposure to Italy is a part of their problem, fixes anything.

 

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Wed, 10/05/2011 - 07:57 | 1740610 msmith
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More negative news signaling we are not at the lows in equities.  Although we may see more corrective price action for the short term.  The EURUSD, USDCAD, and the TNX are showing more corrective price action likely ahead.  http://bit.ly/nhJwYz

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:46 | 1740708 GetZeeGold
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If you can find a better deal......the IMF will match it. Come on down for our CRAZY deals on the corner of 4th and DOH.

We're giving away money like it's nobody's else's business..........we're INSANE. Someone please stop us.

This offer is only good while supplies last.

 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:46 | 1741540 MarketTruth
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Sounds like a 'circle jerk' in financial money schemes.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:51 | 1741553 dlmaniac
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Euro fund 'like a Ponzi game' says trader

Quote: "Q: Will Germans run out of patience (for this Ponzi Scheme)? A: Before they run out of patience they'd run out of money."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15130613

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 07:57 | 1740612 Mister Ponzi
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"In the meantime I will try and figure out how Italy providing money to EFSF so the EFSF can buy their bonds, how Italy contributing to the ECB which buys its bonds, how Italy providing money to the IMF to buy Italian bonds..."

Why not simply issue bonds to finance these payments??? /sarc off

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 07:59 | 1740615 TradingJoe
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It wont last long, this "rally"! We were short term highly oversold so a bounce was in order but thats IT! Oct will prove "correct" in the assumption that it is a BAD month :)))! "Hope is not a strategy" will eventually catch up, fast, I think!

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:01 | 1740619 El Gordo
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It will be interesting to see who is left standing in the circle jerking off when someone finally turns the lights back on.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:20 | 1741692 Zero Debt
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Odds are looking pretty good for loan sharks of first, second, third, fourth and last resort

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:03 | 1740623 Escapeclaws
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No time to read this whole article now. Anyways, by noon I'm sure I will have tried and brung my full attention to it.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:04 | 1740625 bigwavedave
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Certainly fixed your shorts from yesterday Pete

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:06 | 1740630 Jim in MN
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RAN Squawk just now:

 

Ireland will not be rushed into selling assets according to Ireland's PM Kenny

 

 

'They rushed Kenny!  Those bastards!'
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:08 | 1740636 EscapeKey
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I'm a master programmer;

10. Gamble billions on complex debt instruments and exotic derivatives.

20. Take a cut on all winnings.

30. Demand a bailout when the losses come rolling in (or it all collapses), promise to change ways.

40. Goto 10.

Thank god for Central Banks which stand ready to bail out the banks, and rip off the taxpayer.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:11 | 1740639 Jim in MN
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del *.*

exit

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:28 | 1740673 Esso
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Yes.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:12 | 1740638 ArkansasAngie
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You do not have my permission to give my money to losers.

The people who will get this money have demonstrated failure.  The idea that you would place a bet on a loser is actionable.

And ... by golly I expect my government to not participate in such activities.

Take the money remaining of the insolvent and give it those with skin in the game which got fleeced by these yahoos.

Warren ... I'm including you on that list.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:30 | 1741217 Panafrican Funk...
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What do you intend to do when they ignore your thoughts on this?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:11 | 1740640 EscapeKey
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"In the meantime I will try and figure out how Italy providing money to EFSF so the EFSF can buy their bonds, how Italy contributing to the ECB which buys its bonds, how Italy providing money to the IMF to buy Italian bonds, and Italy working on plans to save Italian banks whose exposure to Italy is a part of their problem, fixes anything."

By adding obfuscation, thereby providing the savers with a false sense of security, and the insiders with just enough time to cash out and leave the losses for the savers/taxpayers.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:12 | 1740641 SWRichmond
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In the meantime I will try and figure out how Italy providing money to EFSF so the EFSF can buy their bonds, how Italy contributing to the ECB which buys its bonds, how Italy providing money to the IMF to buy Italian bonds, and Italy working on plans to save Italian banks whose exposure to Italy is a part of their problem, fixes anything.

Leverage.  Fraudulent reserve banking is the ultimate scam, but they will keep doing it until we make them stop.  Leverage that is so much fun on the way up is also a real bitch on the way down.  In the minds of central banksters, the solution to a deleveraging is to re-lever. 


Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:13 | 1740642 Archimedes
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Doesn't all spending approval come from the US. House of Representatives? Isn't that controled by the Rebublicans? Do you really think they would allow more US taxpayer money to go into the black hole known as the IMF?

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:40 | 1740709 Bicycle Repairman
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"Doesn't all spending approval come from the US. House of Representatives?"

LOL.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:38 | 1741021 snowball777
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House of (Dis)reps -> IMF -> Zooropa -> Wall St -> K Street -> [coda]

 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:32 | 1741228 Panafrican Funk...
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What's disconcerting is that you are learned enough to know who Archimedes is, yet you chose to post this.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:14 | 1740643 Quinvarius
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"We are well capitalized" translates to "the US Fed just gave us a 0% loan".

"We passed the stress test" translates to "the regulators are covering for us".

"I see no inflation" translates to "we are about to implement price controls via market intervention".

"The economy shows signs of strength" translates to "we gave away some free money last month and it worked for about a day".

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:15 | 1740647 Vincent Vega
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Reminds me of one of the old anti-drug commercials: I do cocaine so I can work harder so I can make more money so I can buy more cocaine so I can work harder so I can make more money so i can buy more cocaine...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:31 | 1740649 Flounder
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Side splitting stuff...hehhahahaHAHABWAHAHA!  Nothing is fucked.  Where's the money, Lebowski? Where's the fucking money, shithead?  It's uh... uh... it's down there somewhere, let me take another look

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:30 | 1740657 Die Weiße Rose
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Angela Merkel said today: There will be No Debt restructuring for Greece

Solidarity is the strength of the Euro-Zone

In other Words: IMF, go fuck yourself with your leveraged Margins.

As to the rest of all those waiting for more stimulus and leveraged hand-outs:

Tim Geitner or Bernanke are leveraging the whole of US of A into fucking Oblivion.

Don't worry about the 10 million Greek,

worry more about the 307 million Americans with 9.098% Unemployed

and 15 trillion in US national Debt !

Time is running out and the problem is staring right at you...

wr;)

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:30 | 1740678 PY-129-20
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I am sorry to say this, but you are acting like an idiot. You are not different than those Americanos that think this is only a European problem.

Yes, from a political viewpoint it might be interesting to see where the "thing" (the financial system) goes down first. But from different angle it is not important, because Europe, Asia (Japan and China) and America will all go down.

The question is: what happens after that? How will a restart look like?  How can we strengthen our democratic system? How can we assure that justice works again?

All that blame them, not us - that is just stuff for the kindergarten. American citizens as well as European citizens are all sitting in the same boat. And that boat has holes everywhere.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:30 | 1741457 JLee2027
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We should continue this nonsense of endless bailouts, corrupt markets, debt slavery, and moving toward tryanny? Restoring capitalism backed by sound money is the only rational choice. 

The only way to fix the attitudes of those living off others and wanting a nanny state is an economic crash of Biblical proportions which forces them out of power. That's how screwed up things have become. 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:35 | 1741493 JLee2027
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More Merkel (who seems to be hedging her bets):

The euro area has to resolve “that the time of living above our means is over once and for all” and pursue debt reduction that will stretch over “many years,” Merkel said in a speech to members of her Christian Democratic Union late yesterday in Magdeburg, eastern Germany.

http://wallstreetpit.com/84942-quick-fix-in-europe-dream-on

 

At the same time, she won't give Greece a 50 percent debt haircut because others would immediately want the same. She's stuck between a rock and a hard place. My prediction...she will do nothing significant.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:32 | 1740683 guiriduro
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There's frankly only one acceptable outcome to the crisis, and that is, for once and for all, for politicians to realise that employment (and consequent consumption) is not merely the desired side-effect of the functioning of the cherished financial / capital markets / banking / credit system, and if push comes to shove, taxpayer-workers to be sacrificed via austerity and bailouts to save the financial system and its vested interests; that is to say, the vietw that employment occurs as a by-product of the combination of desperately needed external capital and systems that recycle and leverage it (banks and credit institutions) - is false.

Instead we demand that the employment of willing workers, and their pursuit of improvement and happiness, is the vital core upon which systems that mediate and enable it to function - fiat currencies, banking, credit, investment etc. subsist.  When the core function of employment is in fact inhibited by large imbalances, overleverage, malinvestment in asset bubbles by the broken financial mediation system, it is exactly there where the rot (and the losses) must be cut out.  Politicians should instead be focussing on how to provide liquidity and security among willing workers, small businesses and co-operatives, alongside the essential functions of state (health and welfare), bypassing if necessary the broken capital markets.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:59 | 1741106 JR
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We are at Bernanke’s mercy and he has none.

When you have a Congress that would rather have the money than their country, you’ve got to get them out of there.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 14:33 | 1742218 ChacoFunFact
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"it is easy to conceive that great evils to our country and its institutions might flow from such a concentration of power in the hands of a few irresponsible to the people.  Controlling our currency, receiving our public moneys, and holding thousands of our citizens in dependence... would be more formidable and dangerous than a military power of the enemy..." Andrew Jackson, 1832

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce... and when you realize that the entire system is vey easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inlfation and depression originate."  President James Garfield

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:50 | 1740743 Coldfire
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Taxpayer implies free choice. Taxrapee is fundamentally more accurate. Yeah, it doesn't scan, but you get the picture...

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:58 | 1740773 Anonymouse
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"It seems to me, that the more senior you are in the banking world, or more senior you were, the more likely you are to be in this camp"

That's an easy one.  The more senior, the bigger the bonus.  The gain from the increase in their personal bonus when the market rises from bailouts is much greater than the loss in purchasing power from the decline in the dollar or to inflation.

I've noticed, too, that a good portion of the market gain from these rumors sticks even when the rumor is dispelled.  Rumors are cheap and effective.

Too bad Switzerland didn't figure out that they could manipulate their currency for free by spreading rumors.  Pegging the CHF was an unnecessary expense.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:21 | 1740917 MFL8240
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Seeing that this work so well in the US, it makes perfect sense to repeat it. 

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:34 | 1741000 mvsjcl
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Flash: Apple to start making iTalians. Milan index surges 300%.

 

There. Fixed.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:35 | 1741005 falak pema
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oh the incestuous financial world :

ROBERT REICH: Behind Europe's Debt Crisis Lurks Another Giant Bailout of Wall Street

Read more: http://robertreich.org/post/11033625495#ixzz1ZuSlC2Iy

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:54 | 1741086 Catullus
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Lots of people lining up to throw someone else's money at the problem of throwing someone else's money at the governments in Europe. European leaders agree: Americans should pay for it.

Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:51 | 1742057 faustian bargain
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Italy: bootstrapping its way out of the negative rating hole.

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