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Impartial Analysis Finds Only Ron Paul Would Cut US Debt Burden
When one puts aside all the histrionics, all the melodrama, all the irrelevant secondary bullshit such as appearance, charisma, ability to tele-evangelize, all the irrelevant policies such as what planet the US should colonize or how women should procreate, and focuses on just one thing: which presidential candidate (not to mention president) will do the right thing for America, which is to make sure that it doesn't collapse under a record debt load, there is just one answer. And it is not even ours: it comes from the impartial Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget Project, aka US Budget Watch ("U.S. Budget Watch neither supports nor opposes any candidate for office. Its reports are intended to promote understanding and discussion of the federal budget and how specific policy proposals would affect the deficit") which today released an analysis on debt sustainability titled "The GOP Candidates and the National Debt." The answer is in the chart below.
That's it. That's all that matters. The rest is noise.
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How do we overcome the "voter ignorance" that did in Perot?
That a vote for Paul is a "wasted vote" ???
My first eligible vote for President was for the perdue chicken man and whoooshing sound dumbo ears. At least that is what I remember the idiot box...I mean TV told me about him. Those who make sense are made to look nuts on that fucking Alpha wave brainwashing machine. I swear that news anchor is telling me to come talk to her....lulz
I'm thankful for all the happy Ron Paul evangelists out there, but for my own part I've lost patience with people, and at this point I simply tell them they either vote for Ron Paul or they are part of the problem.
And if you haven't already, go to http://www.americanselect.org/, sign up, and support Ron Paul. It needs to be made crystal clear to the GOP and everyone else that he WILL be on the ballot in November in some capacity, and they can either take advantage of that by nominating him as their candidate, or suffer the consequences of a three way fractured election. This country won its independence by the actions of a vocal minority and by god we'll have it back again with one.
@redpill
The problem is that the GOP is very likely in bed with the Dems and they would rather 'throw' the election than have Dr. Paul. So while I agree with your sentiment, I don't think the GOP leadership cares what you and millions of concerned Americans think.
I'm sure they don't. But the time will come when they no longer have a choice. I just hope that's sooner rather than later. Thus, my advocacy.
We can pray.
Can someone please explain what Ron Paul is saying in this clip from last night's debate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hn846S8ikI
The pill cannot be blamed for the immorality of society?
Sex is immoral? Having pre-marital sex is immoral? Getting pregnant is immoral? Getting pregnant outside of marriage is immoral? i thought "real" libertarians were open-minded about sex and didn't pass moral judgement on those having sex whenever they want and with whomever they want.
WTF?
This doesn't sound like a libertarian. It sounds like a conservative Republican hiding behind the facade of a libertarian. Or maybe it's a libertarian pandering to a Republican audience? I would expect a comment like this from Santorum, not RP.
Max Fischer, Civis Mundi
Sure, he's an old dude, he probably doesn't think shagging anyone everywhere is moral. But as a libertarian leaning person he does not want to project his morality on others through government force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_Life_Act
you cuddly little voter you! soo cute.
You are a shit sucking idiot.
I agree with FluffyBunny, IMO he is just making the point that you cannot demonize the pill
but yes, he is a libertarian trying to talk to Republicans into electing him, I'd say this is a fact
Okay, I watched the clip. Where in the world did you get all this other stuff you were talking about? Your inferences are bizarre, but then your point is really you just don't like Ron Paul. Why don't you just say that instead of creating all this blather?
dont they mean cost cutting? insted of cross cutting?
That's because strictly speaking Paul isn't a Libertarian. The following (Paul's words) are not those of a Libertarian-
"there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights — rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas."
A Libertarian would say a right to privacy IS found in the Constitution (mainly in the 4th Amendment). This is of course a very truncated version but it will have to suffice. If you think this only applies to homos doing whatever in their homes, think again. Paul doesn't give a crap if your individual liberties are oppressed on the STATE level, just as long as the feds aren't doing it
"We must be interested in the spirit of our Constitution. We must be interested in the principles of liberty. I therefore urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment. Instead, my colleagues should work to restore the rights of the individual states to ban flag burning, free from unconstitutional interference by the Supreme Court." (RP 2003)
You know many Libertarians who believe free speech ends just because an individual state says so? Plus, gotta love the doublespeak there (liberty means individual states can tell you what you can and can't say?!).
Anyway, Ive said it before. RP is a fucking fraud. His son voted for war on Iran (sanctions are an act of war), and placed a known neocon operative in RP's campaign.
Let the down arrows commence
Baleful: the ship USA is sinking!!! What's to be done about that?! Shall we all worry about our own bellybuttons? Do you think any candidate says what he or she really thinks?
Fight organized crime; vote for no one.
I don't disagree with what you say.
I'm bringing my pencil to the voting booth.
I am good to go unless CNBC stoogies beat us to the punch...Liesman hates to be the last to the party!!
The sad thing is that would more than likely move this broken piece of shit market.
Might even crash the fucker. Now THAT would be epic.
In there like swim wear.
If I were fond of spreading disinformation I would be in. I am fond of being taken seriously instead.
What is disinformation is the talking cocks that try to explain how these markets somehow reflect reality.
Yes, that's also disinformation. What's your point?
Note that Obama does just as good a job as Ron Paul at slowing down the rate of increase in the national debt with his budget proposal:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/02/chart-of-the-day-7.html
Maybe this image will work:
Of course, because these are the only two sane people in the race, there is no chance in hell of their proposals turning into law any time soon.
Pyite: but...
http://www.westernjournalism.com/oath-keepers-we-can-legally-file-charges-against-obama/?utm_source=Western+Journalism&utm_campaign=901c37f445-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=emailRon Paul because the rest are FAKES!
It ain't a pork cut unless you hear a pig scream when the axe falls.
We all route for RP but how many of us have sent moola to Mr Paul' s Campain, how come all the Zionist Schmucks have Super Pacs and we can't get him one too?!?! They say only boatload's of money will Winn this "Election" so?! Let's all buy Mr Paul one, eh?!
I believe Dr. Paul has 3 super PAC's. Endorse liberty is well funded by the founder of Pay Pal. I'm glad you bring up donating to Dr. Paul and anyone who believes its bullshit to dump all this debt on our kids should as well.
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Sorry but I'm too jaded at this point to donate to any politician, even Ron Paul.
Bring on the fucking collapse and let's see who's standing. You can give your fiat to politicians. I'll be buying gold.
Damn, that's 80% of my gross for 2011. Nice job!
the founder of Pay Pal
Feb 20, 2012 A report filed earlier today showed PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel donated $1.7 million last month to a super PAC supporting one of Romney's GOP rivals, Ron Paul.
Overall, Thiel has donated $2.6 million to Endorse Liberty, created last year to aid the Texas representative.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/02/presiden...
I've sent money to the Paul campaign ... 3 times so far for this campaign and probably a half dozen times 4 years ago.
He has lots of supporters and donators, but no Daddy Warbucks that I know of. That's okay - we'll win this the old fashioned way.
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/02/paypal-founder-peter-theil-throws-2-6-million-at-ron-paul-super-pac-says-money-is-to-support-libertarian-movement/
I've donated a bunch, but more importantly am a Colordao precinct delegate for the upcoming county and hopefully state caucus.
Time to get involved people. Go out and try to do something. Don't wait any longer.
I've done more than donate money, I donated my TIME. Get out there and press the flesh!
EXCELLENT ADVICE!! Yet, when I told my wife I wanted to "press the flesh", she said she had a headache..................
Have thrown him plenty - if the establishment won't let him take prez, broker him in as Treasury Secretary. See how Benjamin S likes that one.
I have sent him $700.00 so far and plan to continue
This is why RP supporters are considered extremists, you know, nothing is more extreme than common sense in the midst of oceanic levels of willful ignorance and wishful thinking.
That is a quotable sentence. Good one!
Well stated. Paul is the only one that speaks the truth...which is why our fucked up populace won't vote for him.
Too into "liking"...."oh he's nice"...and now with Barry Obangyi, the Kensyian Commie..."he's cool".....
I have given up on this system we have in place...it is totally broken. I hope RP sticks it out.....
I'd hate to see a 3rd party....that would probably clinch it for Obangyi...and this country would slide into the abyss (which it already has an excellent start).
Too many takers now....not enough makers.....and the populace dumb as doorknobs...which is fertile ground for the loser libs and dummy evangelical GOP....
Ron Paul- a chicken in ever pot you wanted it in bad enough to make it happen..
Giving too much credit to the electorate?
If real estate prices continue to decline, people will continue to be underwater on their biggest liability. This makes them insolvent. As long as they have cash flow they will pay down debt. If they have no cashflow they will default. This creates huge demand for dollars because of paydown and bank loss provisioning. A bull market in dollars means a bear market for everything else.
ZIRP floods the world with liquidity, but it can't be forced into housing, so the tide that raises all boats is uneven, relatively more going into food and fuel.
Deficits are the only thing standing in the way of self-reinforcing household balanced sheet deleveraging. Cut government spending and you likely end up with implosion.
All the rest is smoke and mirrors.
But wait, how is crude soaring? Don't we have a deflationary collapse? Or perhaps someone always forgets to factor in central bank response to hyperdeflation which is pushing two buttons: CTRL and P.
But yes, Joe Sixpack will feel much better when his mortgage is $500,000 and his cup of coffee is $852 quadrillion.
Smoke and mirrors maybe, but the item reflected is an exponential chart.
Read Sean Corrigan's Santayana's Curse for a totally different perspective than that indoctrinated by years of flawed propaganda.
But yes, Joe Sixpack will feel much better when his mortgage is $500,000 and his cup of coffee is $852 quadrillion.
You and I agree that ZIRP isn't a solution, leading only to inflation in consumables that don't require leverage. So monetary policy eventually becomes a dead end.
Fiscal policy is the only answer to avoid implosion.
Who's talking ZIRP? We're to negative rates already, aka NIRP.
fiscal policy is monetary policy. Fiscal policy dictates that more debt be issued. It's why where the money went never really mattered. Fiscal policy is just the cover.
Fiscal policy transfers money, albeit wastefully, directly to households and companies. Monetary policy transfers money indirectly through the financial system... and it isn't working the way the Fed wants. House prices continue to decline despite huge liquidity injection.
The only way to fix this is either:
1) Forgive the debt and recapitalize the system using gold, allowing gold & silver to trade free of derivatives and taxation.
2) A hyperinflationary collapse as central banks print cash to cover every last scrap of debt.
The solution is, was, and remains binary.
Whether there is civil unrest or not depends on whether adequate reforms are enacted.
I wish I could retweet specifically this post.
I'm hoping that you don't have a speech impediment.
Just curious where does the gov't get its money to pay since the Fed is already eating the Treasury fecal matter? Arguing fiscal policy is arguing monetary policy, unless of course you are pushing the USD/IMF European austerity program "solution." Oh wait, it is neo keynesian MMM to the rescue...
Exactly. I thought I was agreeing with him originally, but I guess I'm not. I do think that huge reductions in government spending will speed up the implosion, but that doesn't mean that massive gov't spending is the solution. THERE IS NO SOLUTION.
The only way to fix this is either:
1) Forgive the debt and recapitalize the system using gold, allowing gold & silver to trade free of derivatives and taxation.
2) A hyperinflationary collapse as central banks print cash to cover every last scrap of debt.
The solution is, was, and remains binary.
Whether there is civil unrest or not depends on whether adequate reforms are enacted.
I'm not arguing that the Fed should be the one putting a bid on treasuries-- and by implication risk.
I'm saying that if households are deleveraging then corporates or governments have to leverage to avoid collapse.
This isn't Keynesian or any other crap ideology. It's drawing conclusions from facts.
I didn't realize that governments leveraging themselves and increasing spending to goose GDP would AVOID COLLAPSE LOL!
I think you have it backward. Governments taking on the debt of banks or nationalizing them has only increased the risk of collapse and the damage that the collapse would create in the first place. Had banks impoloded it wouldn't of draged down all the governments with it. Now that a majority of countries have used their central bank as the bad bank purchasing toxic assets and printing to infinity we have only guarenteed the destruction of the current global system.
It's already game over. You need to rethink what your facts are. Clearly you're a keynsian given the conclusions you draw from your "facts".
The government didn't take out the sub-prime mortgages, though they enabled it a degree. They just cleaned up after the imprudent debtors and creditors with a giant pooper-scooper. Democracy tends to respond to potential social unrest in that fashion because it gets votes.
Maybe I do have it backward, but I don't think so. But this "Keynesian" crap is kinda empty like calling names. Take on the ideas without labels.
Corporations delever with layoffs, less hours, or less per hour pay. This results in more defaults and foreclosures 4 years later. If sub-prime mortgages were the fault of the Banks' collapse, then $1.7 Trillion would have paid off every subprime mortgage in the country (read Nomi Prins). $3 trillion has been added to the deficit- $3 trillion has been added ti the Fed's balance sheet. A total of over $9 trillion has been thrown at the banks, and add another $500 billion a year in lost interest income to bank customers (their loss is the banks gain).
This mess is about the leveraged MBS offerings from Wall Stret. SUGGESTION: Watch INSIDE JOB and read CREATURE FROM JECKYLL ISLAND (5th edition).
Back to the topic: Romney's calculations figure a positive growth number in the GDP column- a fairy tale based on inflated government statistics. Romney is a crony of the status quo, spewing their bullshit at every opportunity.
Some of us have actually seen this unfold first hand.
Seen a lot of things that boggle the senses. Japan running up debt to the tune of pver 200% d3ebt to GDP and still running. and even wilder, people that are short JGBs positioning for some collapse have to pay a hefty premium over realized vol.
Sub-prime is beside the point, how ever the government caused the collapse in subprime by creating the conditions that allowed the housing market to bubble up and eventually burst via fair housing act and Alan Greenspan.
The only people to get "cleaned" of this mess were the creditors, and what pretty much every government did was transfer risk from the banks to the soviergns. If you wanted to continue the analogy they took their shit (creditors and debtors) and made citizens eat it.
Democracy? Don't you mean oligarchy? I am pretty positive that greater than 50% of the population was AGAINST bailing out the banks.
Ok
Subprime was the first domino to fall, the rest has followed.
Plenty of debtors got to squat because the banks never had to froce anyone out of their homes because they were recapitalized and didn't have to exercize collateral. Bothe sides of the mess benefitted despite people wanting to deny it. One can actually argue that forestalling foreclosures is why banks were treated with such kid gloves. The alternative would have been very, very messy for most people. It isn't pleasant to admit, but it is true.
The people that eat it are the poeple that loved prudently and can be taxed to pay for the others' mistakes. Not saying any of this is right or fair, just true.
It we do live in an oligarchy, which is pretty true, is our fault for letting it happen. If it is not our fault, then there is nothing we could or can do about it, so make the best of a bad situation and make decisions in the best interest of you and your own.
Thx
In the end you're saying someone will wave a magic wand and get us out of this mess. Somehow avoiding big pain.
Can't you live without delusion?
The Senate has NOT come up with a budget in over TWO years! How's that for a fiscal policy? Don't hold yer breath, you'll only pass out.
Which is why in addition to the typical items, I'm stockpiling coffee.
/semi-sarc
TO: TD
"But yes, Joe Sixpack will feel much better when his mortgage is $500,000 and his cup of coffee is $852 quadrillion."
dude.....a 1/2 mil mortgage and an $852 quadrillion starbucks latte macchiatto is a gang banging deal when.......... sure thing shadow money is a moon-shot levered freebie......the hottie barista has a nice rack, gives great head.......and that cup of sloppy joe's comes with a sith lord death star happy meal.................
Virtually all money is debt with interest tied to it. Aggregate debt must be in a state of constant expansion or you face cascading defaults. Consumers are maxed out, corporations are maxed out... governments stepped in to pick up the slack. It's the final rung of our ponzi scheme monetary system unless we discover some alternate life form willing to take on some debt.
The whole system is evil from the start. There is no way out. Time to start over.
Pretty much agree, except:
There is nothing evil about it. Far from equilibrium, corrupted, sure. But I reserve "evil" for things worthy of the word.
There may or may not be a way out. Seems wrong to me to stand by when it is people that depend on current income (= jobs) that will really get destroyed by some "reset".
It's your last paragraph that explains why the system is evil. It's evil because there is no way out. It's evil because the mess it is going to make of people's lives has been inevitable all along. It's evil because it enriches parasites at the expense of hard working people.
Evil is what Hitler and Pol Pot did. Let's keep things in perspective.
As far as no way out: no one can predict the future. Once debt is reduced to the point of servicability, it is no longer a Ponzi, and the risk of collapse fades. Playing for time can be a pretty cool hand.
As far as the reset: it is what will inflict max pain on the most people. Be careful what you wish for.
As far as parasites: lawyers, politicians, lobbyists and bureaucrats blur the lines more than a banker does.
So if we can't put a face (Hitler, Pol Pot, etc.) on it, it's not evil?
Go fuck yourself.
Just two examples. Plenty of evil in the world. Plenty of base, crude, needlessly angry, hopeless stuff too.
Some idiot that took out a subprime and some loser bank that processed a ninja are just a tweedle dee and tweedle dumb pair that deserve each other and everythign they get.
I think his point was that fiat money is evil because the lender essentially owns the borrow. The bank essentially takes on no risk while the borrow takes on all the risk.
Well, a bank takes on credit risk and wants in exchange collateral security in the case of default. How is this evil? A bank didn't make currency fiat. I posted above that printing money endlessly leads to bad outcomes.
I would prefer that as a society we take out debt not to pay for some squatter or to subsidize unemployment. Rather to pay for bright students independent of who they are to get engineering degrees and such, and not history degrees. This is just an example of how to make government speding less wasteful and creat positive incentives instead of just throwing money at a problem in a way that demoralizes the human spirit.
Evil, preditory. Semantics. Corruption of a monetary system, through forced issuance, is the surest way of destroying honest transactions and eventually nations. Evil, born of and associated with the enforcement, manifests itself in many ways. One such manifistation that underpins the system as we know it today, was the Rothchild's manipulation of the markets by betting both ways on the outcome of the Napolianic wars. They evilly crushed England's economy by foul means. They ruthlessly plotted and implemented their take-over of the monetary system and instated their own. All of these manifistations could have been easily avoided but not for their conspiring cohorts in the halls of power.
Benign? No.
Evil? Depends on your metric.
evil is stealing old peoples money silently through inflation and enslaving the future to debt..
Where did you find the book (Santayana's Curse)????
There are multiple printers running at the same time, theoretical and physical:
1. At the Federal Reserve (central banks), where Ben is printing FRNs, "Notes".
2. At the Treasury/Governments, where the politicians are printing government debt, "Bonds".
3. Outsourced by the CBs, printing physical bank notes. This can only be done preconditioned on printing press 1 and is a subset of the quantity in 1.
4. The digging up of gold or other physical monies
If it was only 1 and 3 we would have an unencumbered money supply. But printer 2 negates the effect of printer 1 and printer 3 can only run on the condition of printer 1. Hence printer 2's output is encumbered by the bonds. It is the collateral relationship that causes this. The symbolism of "printing" implies that whatever has been printed will exist forever, but this is not the case for printer 1 and 2. When the debt is payed off, both the "note" and the "bond" disappears. Both are essentially paper. They are like matter and antimatter. They are created and destroyed at the same time. The housing market is a microcosm. No supply of new collateral -> no new loans.
The effect of the first one is inflationary on the money supply measure (the "Notes"). The effect of the second one is ultimately deflationary, because it locks up the output of printing press 1 as it wants to "suck in" these "notes" in payment of the bonds. As more and more bonds are issued ("printed"), the "sucking sound" gets louder and louder. Issuing more bonds to obtain FRNs to repay interest does not make the newly issued FRNs less encumbered, in fact, they are exponentially more encumbered. The first printing press will not run unless the second one runs, because the fed buys bonds only when it receives collateral (e.g. Treasury Bonds). So it is very possible that the failure to keep either printing press running will result in a rapid deflationary collapse.
Due to the fractional nature of the system, there are hence two possible "runs":
1. A collateral run: If everyone would try to withdraw their deposits (collateral) they would not be there (the 'classic' bank run on a fractional lender/deposit institution)
2. A note run: If everyone would try to repay their debts, especially the governments (return the notes to the issuer to fulfil the bond terms, whether it is a commercial or central bank etc), there would not be enough notes to do so
In the first case, they have plugged it with FDIC and infinite borrowing (expansion), but the systemic issue grows larger and larger.
The second case can be plugged by allowing unencumbered monies (like gold) to extinguish the bond notes or by non-debt-backed note issuance that are "legal tender" for the debts. But at the moment it seems like it is not plugged. I suppose this is the underlying concern of jm.
In both cases however it is the attempt to escape the debt-money system that will collapse it either way, unless it is expanded. It's like in musical chairs: add more people or reduce the chairs, someone will be found standing. An increasing level of ponzi perfection will be required to plug the leaks.
You're going to get lots of down votes, but you are right. RP is exactly the man we need to champion our next monetary system. As for this one, he'll only speed up the collapse (also good news).
You do know that housing actually FELL for most of Weimar, right? There was something like one month where it hyperinflated, and even then it was WAYYYY behind the curve.
There has been a Paradigm shift in real estate that has changed everything. Working Americans are now mobile. They can no longer assume they can buy a home and keep a job within a reasonable commute distance. Their next job could be 50 or 500 (or more) miles away. With rising gasoline prices no one can afford a daily 100 mile round trip commute. Working Americans no longer buy houses, they rent so they can be mobile. Our Politicians and Elites have no idea that this has happened yet. They assume that everyone still wants to buy a home. Real Estate prices will continue to plunge as ever more homes that no one wants to buy remain empty until someone can buy it to rent out to the newly nomadic American Worker.
You're way ahead of the curve. Right now, working Americans, for the most part, are still anchored in place by their mortgage. Once the defaults truly gather speed, then you'll see what you describe, but for now, mortgages are a yoke on mobility. I work in the staffing industry and I talk to people every day who say they can't relo because they can't sell their house.
That may be a growing trend, but it doesn't matter for those underwater on an existing mortgage.
The proud display of foreign affairs approaches and geopolitical ignorance during the most recent debate in AZ should be enough to disqualify all candidates except for Ron Paul for POTUS. That would be the case if the Merican people were not so ignorant to the truth.
saw that in 1972, McGovern promised to end the war in Vietnam but he was marginalized by the press as RP is today, I'll still write in RP as I did in 2008
This Tyler Durden fellow is a communist
RP is the perfect hedge against the burden of debt for sure.
Yeah yeah yeah.
Don't forget the only thing that matters.
He is Unelectable.
They'll make sure of that.
What else matters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99hCsAchDk
well of course, the debt is very important
we're seeing that in greece and europa
tyler put up a mikeKreiger peice earlier which bears reading; most of us can see the same gestalt mike "sees" i would think
whether the quantum field collapses there, that fast, is a matter of opinion, but it sure as hell could
one of the best paragraphs blogged here this year was a few days ago, and i don't recall which zeroHead said this, but it was something to the effect that we had an electoral revolution w/ the teaPart just 2 years ago in a mass reaction to "hopium" and...nothing much happened!
last summer came and went and the debt ceiling goes wherever TPTB want it to go, and the superCommittee just couldn't figure out anything
so, all we gotta do is elect rPaul and we got a shot at a stick save for theRepublic?
i'm in!
if you could imagine how totally fuked up our country would hafta be to actually elect anybody who could change this corpo-fascist collectivity... well, as far as this pirate can tell, we're just about there, BiCheZ!
Phil Gramm only had to be senator from Texas to repeal Glass-Steagall, which had kept the bank system stable in the US for 60 yeasr.
Ron Paul is right in the place, the US House, where all legislation begins. Are Mitch McConnell and John Boehner behind Ron Paul, supporting legislation he introduces? of course not. Ron Paul is a Republican fraud.
Ron Paul needs to state a clear date, and if doesn't accomplish xyz by that date, working only through the US House of Representatives, then he needs to resign and go home. He'd have a comfortable living as an MD, and he's part of the party that claims to want small government, so what's he even doing in Washington?
These Paul-ites might as well wait for Spiderman to save them.
Haven't you noticed how RP goes easy on Romney, and even defends him (ie on Bain)?
Incidentally, Paul's son voted for Sanctions on Iran http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/s/216
Strangely enough RP's son thinks for himself and sometimes disagrees with his dad. I can live with it. And as far as RP going soft on Romney I'm in Iowa and he beat the crap out of him on the air here. He's using his $ in the best way possible. He knows the other guys will beat the hell out of Romney so why not turn his $ elsewhere? Seems like a reasonable plan. And it's not like Gingrich and Santorum are not war mongering, big spending, Washington scumbags.
Dear Baleful: war's good for business; invest your children -- and what's good for business is good for Texas. I'll never vote for another Texan, ever, though I think RP better than all the others.
I live in BC Canada. They just slashed budgets, the feds also..It is almost like they know..And this land(Crown land) is their little testbed. Yet the question remains..Why is it supposedly good you are saving my stolen dollars? It is like praising a theft who starts to freebase his own crack so you SAVE!. Like FUCK! I mean come on. Word to ya all. Canada is being setup as a 'model' for the first world. If you think there is differnet rulers running shit between Sacksville and Sarasoda I have some land to sell you in Saskatoon.
i'm not gonna buy anyting unless it reaffirms my credit card mcmansaion lifestyle, all those things in the bargain bin are just stop lights for my shopping cart. but because of my higher state funded education, i am going to blow through them in quest for the shiny because after all, its's my patriotic duty to be a consumer . introduce fiat shackles and central bank cackles, all depressions are power grabs. what's better than cheap labor? cheap money. but we have to kill to maintain value, find a villian. especially if they sign their name on a death certificate with a quill drowning in an oilwell. can't wait for press on the next venezualian coup, don't die yet, you would choke your conspirators. after all opec is a chicken we'tre trying to roast but the head is problematic. only because innovation doesn't have superior lobby skills. in no bid we will trust.
Yeah, but hes RAYCIST! So.....
Former governor Ventura compared the parties, democrat/republican, to Pro Wrestling. In front of the camera, on stage they duke it out (fake), but behind the scene their all buddys.
Ron Paul scares these leeches
I can understand the Republicans being in disarray and having a tough time fitting corruption into their rhetoric, after all being nominally 'pro-business' is a venerable tradition for the GOP.
But watching Obama and Dems simper and prance about like cheshire cats seemingly oblivious to the massive damage that they've done to their credibility and to the Nation's future by placing Goldman Sachs agents in the top economic posts just infuriates me. Whether it should or not...it does.
Then everyone pretends that Ron Paul tripling his national support in the past six weeks, as he sits second to Romney in delegates....isn't happening.
Guess what: Once corruption destroys America, women's rights, race relations and religion are just bugs on the fascist windshield.
Luxury issues to be forgotten in the wilderness of camps and fearful nights under the glare of drone searchlights.
But the majority still think those are the priorities...that or who is the tallest, or has the most scary music in their ads.
Still we soldier on. This country wasn't built by quitters and it won't be rebuilt by quitters.
yo, peeps, am I the only one who sees Romney is using a POSITIVE GDP growth number in his stats? lets argue about the Gawdamm NUMBAZ!!! (Hopefully the debates will finally turn to this when the debt ceiling is again front & center).
Ron is The Man!
i believe in rp but he's the bayonet on an awful gun of hegemony,
Ron Paul is NOT your saviour. Nothing to see, move on.
History tells us a certain Austrian born fella put people back to work at a time when his adopted country was in despair. Be very careful what you wish for.
Obama is a poor puppet entangled in the Washington porkbarrel.
Likely he was not aware what hell of a job he got himself into. Now you see for yourself where that hopeful *Change* went.
The President of the United States of America is not a wizard, he is not an allmighty king who can rule per decree.
The DC porkbarrel is a sharkpool and the POTUS needs to know how to navigate in all this corruptness.
Obmama failed.
Ron Paul may have more experience, he may be connected better - yet as a single person withpout proper troops in the background he ain't going nowhere - should he be elected President.
Likely US sheeple will decide otherwise - just watch CNBC and all the other crap.
Just as with Dubyahs second term.
A mere catastrpohy for the US and the world.
Apoplogies - I am an outsider but that is the way I see it from the distance.
Cut your enthusiasm and try for some more realism. It will save you from the next big disappointment.
Western democracies all over (see EU and elsewhere) have developed into one dumb corrupt scam.
A bit like the Roman empire in its final phase.
So save your hope for yourself and brace for impact. Do not trust any pol. - whatwever they may promise. It will turn out as a lie.
As always...
Outsider's view:
Ron Paul is an evangelical, bible thumpin' conservative. Now, whether or not Conservatism can ever fully embrace Libertarianism is another question. As Conservatives tend to be more wealthy and business people who employ others, I'd say absolutely NO WAY! They want you in slavery and in debt, just as much, if not more than, the big Governemnt lobby.
Umm...
I thought ZHer's were more astute on such absolute claims such as "the impartial Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget Project"?
From their site -
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (http://www.crfb.org) is a bipartisan, non-profit organization committed to educating the public about issues that have significant fiscal policy impact. The Committee is a bipartisan group of leading budget experts including many of the past Directors of the Budget Committees, the Congressional Budget Office, the Office of Management and Budget and the Federal Reserve Board. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget is housed at the New America Foundation. New America is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit public policy institute that focuses on long-term issues facing the country.http://usbudgetwatch.org/about-us-budget-watch I thought ZHer's hated these fuckers? And the New America Foundation (a leftist sounding name if I ever heard one!) - Headed up by a MFMer's and Google-punks who sit on the CFR & Bilderberg Group! http://newamerica.net/about http://newamerica.net/people/ted_halstead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Halstead http://newamerica.net/people/steve_coll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Coll http://newamerica.net/people/eric_schmidt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Schmidt And their funding list looks like a Bilgerburg convention, eh? http://newamerica.net/about/funding These asshats look like a bunch of left-wing elitist douchebags to me! Question is, did Tyler get played here, or did all ZHer's get played here? Why oh why would a bunch of elitists come up with a report that makes Ron Paul and only Ron Paul the champion debt-cutter in this years Republican contest for President? Hmmm? Who could that possibly benefit in the general election? It'll come to me...give me a minute...
Hope, not hopium:
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