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Infographic - Are Guns And Ammo The New Gold?

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Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:53 | 2004466 Yardfarmer
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@econ1996  FROM YOUR LINK:

Why Most Serial Killers Are White Men
Buried beneath mounds of sociological data, certain quantities hole up waiting to be unearthed. Requiring a bit of digging to expose, La Griffe, with analytical shovel in hand, reveals the criminality distributions for white, black and Hispanic men. From these he proposes two recipes for reducing the black-to-white incarceration ratio. Volume 9, Number 2, May 2007

I suppose that it's Obama's caucasian ancestry that predisposes him to his own particular brand of mass murder and genocide.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:14 | 2004585 disabledvet
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"I just give 'em name, rank and serial number."

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:47 | 2006203 disabledvet
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why would that get an up arrow? that is definitely NOT funny. I did hear it at a bar though and it made laugh.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:22 | 2004617 Optimusprime
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You've got to be kidding.  If there is a "racism" issue with regard to murder, it is the sedulously unreported race war going on for decades, resulting in huge imbalances of violent race crime, to wit: blacks are overwhelmingly more likely to assault, murder and rape whites than vice-versa. 


Either you know this already and are just flinging dust in everyone's eyes, or you are ignorant of basics and wasting our time with irrelevancies.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:53 | 2004765 MobBarley
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The prisons are full of black men who have commited multiple homocides.

The appelation 'serial killer' was invented by some Judith psychology major afraid of her ex husband.


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:25 | 2005359 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Ron Paul says that the US justice system unfairly targets blacks.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 16:59 | 2005276 economics1996
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Obama is a pussy.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 20:48 | 2005954 navy62802
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So, answer me this. Is it racist to own guns and purchase gold?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:44 | 2004401 Badabing
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:12 | 2004569 Lednbrass
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In most states, yes.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:16 | 2004592 Badabing
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Cool Thanx

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:41 | 2004703 X. Kurt OSis
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Not in my stupid state.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:07 | 2005310 xela2200
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Time to move out of California. I don't care if the weather is nice.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:53 | 2004460 tmosley
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Racisim, not racism.

Must be a raci simulator or something.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:12 | 2004564 scratch_en_sniff
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ouch, it always helps to be correct when pontificating mosley. Jesus Christ, sort it out.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:18 | 2004891 tmosley
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Helps even more to understand the difference between "pontification" and "sardonic humor".  I was pointing out that the guy couldn't even spell racism by positing a premise where he used the correct spelling of a word that didn't exist.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:29 | 2004945 bob_dabolina
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You know it's raysiss

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 16:11 | 2005115 scratch_en_sniff
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Stop talking out of your hole.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 16:51 | 2005257 tmosley
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You mad, homey?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:39 | 2004364 The Big Ching-aso
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 The development and manifestations of a very polite new society......................

"How much for the mocha latte?"

"That'll be four .45 ACP, two 9MM, and one 00 12 gauge."

"Hmmmmm.   Do you have change for a .30-06 by any chance?"

"Sure, no prob.   Do you mind .22lr's?"

"That's fine.  Hollowpoints would be great, thanks."


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:40 | 2004383 duo
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ammo has 3 of the 4 criteria for money, per Aristotle.  The only thing ammo ISN'T, is divisible.

Compact, consistent (if not fired), and durable

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:47 | 2004412 Momauguin Joe
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A case of ammo is divisible into boxes of ammo. A box is further divisible into individual rounds. One box equals 20 rounds of .223 or 50 rounds of 9mm, etc...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:42 | 2004709 boattrash
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He's thinking of Barney in Mayberry, only being issued one bullet.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:04 | 2005301 RockyRacoon
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Most rounds can be fragmented even smaller with the right target and delivery velocity.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:50 | 2004415 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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[A]mmo has 3 of the 4 criteria for money, per Aristotle.  The only thing ammo ISN'T, is divisible.

Thus why PM trumps guns, however marginally.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:47 | 2004419 narapoiddyslexia
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Its not gonna' work as money.  Its too easy to make empty cartridges and you don't know till it doesn't fire. I've loaded thousands of rounds and if its done properly, which is easy, an empty cartridge cannot be distinguished from one with powder.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:49 | 2004427 narapoiddyslexia
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Maybe reloading supplies would serve, but so would chocolate, antibiotics, and toilet paper. Commodities are commodities are commodities.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:53 | 2004469 Momauguin Joe
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Regarding the problems with reloads, this is all the more reason for factory loaded ammo to command premium value for trade or barter.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:16 | 2004594 Lednbrass
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Reloaders can often make better, more accurate, and more powerful  ammo then the majority of factory rounds.  If I were out of powder and primers Id rather have a box of rifle ammo from a decent reloader then factory.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:48 | 2004742 boattrash
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Absolutely, hand loads or factory rounds will remove the back of a head equally, but the hand loads will take out the eye first.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:52 | 2005420 narapoiddyslexia
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Hand loads from an experienced loader are always preferable. I've worn out a chrony testing both my stuff and factory stuff, and mine is better. Period. Moreover, I can polish the brass and a rube won't know it is not a factory load. Ammo will never be currency. It might be a decent store of wealth, but it will never be a good currency.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 16:48 | 2005248 Fedaykinx
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pick random round, put it into bullet puller, whack it, look inside.  or just attempt to fire it, i suppose.


i highly recommend having a press and dies for the caliber of weapons you possess.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:49 | 2004745 MachoMan
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um...  doesn't the powder have mass?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:54 | 2005427 narapoiddyslexia
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I loaded a bunch of 9 mm last night with 4 grains of powder each.

Go pick up something that weighs 4 grains.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:55 | 2004774 MrPalladium
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If you have a powder scale, a .223 squib round will be about 20gr light.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:55 | 2004779 aerojet
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You could fill the cases with sand...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 16:19 | 2005133 DCFusor
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Since I don't do compressed loads, of course I can tell if there's powder in a cartridge.  Shake it, maybe by your ear.  Duh.  Why would anyone not look at the primer to see if there's a dent?  Primers are so cheap it's hard to imagine a cheaper source of fakes.  If it's got brass and a bullet - that's most of the cost anyway already.  I don't get that line of reasoning.  You didn't think the gunpowder was the expensive part, did you?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:59 | 2005448 narapoiddyslexia
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You're right that empty rounds are not much cheaper than loaded ones, but if a banker-type personality can pass off empty rounds, they'll do so. Moreover, the gov't will make the competing "currency" worthless by passing around millions of empty rounds. Its not a secure medium. It can't be as its manufactured just like dollars. Gold and silver are just about the only fair mediums of exchange that i can see. Give me another.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:46 | 2005022 jekyll island
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Don't forget readily recognizable and accepted around the World

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:17 | 2004597 disabledvet
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Sounds expensive. Plus it weighs on the pocket. I just give 'em cash. And some change if I have it.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:28 | 2004649 SgtShaftoe
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During extreme situations such as hyperinflation, we only need reference history.  Germany is a notable example.  For those who served in the US military in Germany, we all remember getting our ration cards to buy booze and cigarettes.  The ration cards were instituted originally because during the occupation packs of cigarettes and Jack Daniels were used as a medium exchange.  Also, the price of these goods on the "economy" were higher than US soldiers could buy them for at the PX and Commisary, hence the ration cards.  After the East fell, there was another brief spell of the same thing.  I remember a story about cans of sardines also being used as currency, and some fellow opening the can, which had gone bad.  He thought it ironic, because it wasn't about the value of the can, but that it was serving as a quasi currency, and he would have been better off not opening it, and to use it for trade.

Funny things happen when currencies break down and go away, until another currency is accepted by the society.  Cigarettes are hoarded by people who never smoked, bottles of whiskey buy safe passage and warmth.  To think otherwise flies in the face of evidence and memory of history.  Ammunition is just another one of those products.  It's pretty shelf stable - I've shot ammo from the world war, the first one 10 years ago or so, and it was fine. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:58 | 2004799 disabledvet
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Can "trust" be a currency then? "someone you confide in"? I've been told "that's one of the most powerful currencies in the world"...yet I cannot find a place to buy it.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:49 | 2004747 Barbarians_R_Us
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That thar's funny, I dun't care who you are.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:51 | 2006210 disabledvet
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there does indeed seem to be a "lakc of protocol" with the HTT Protocol this evening. I think we might be setting a record for viewership people! GREAT JOB!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 10:18 | 2006901 Frankie Carbone
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In the future, the 22 long will be the new currency. 

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 10:58 | 2006981 DanDaley
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Hard to fake a .22 round (or any other rimfire).

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:38 | 2004375 JPM Hater001
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You can make a case for the fear and paranoia but racism?

WTF M_D_B...oh, wait...ratso.

Scuez me while I cling to my guns and religion...and gold...and 50 gallon drum of gasoline...and generator...and 20 sacks of flower, sugar, beans, pasta, salt, chicken and beef boullion, dried mushrooms, spices, yeast, and maryjane production facility and wait for Mars to attack.

Yeah, I said Mars.


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:43 | 2004398 divide_by_zero
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Holder is playing the race card with critics of his deadly "Fast and Furious" failed gun control initiative, so why not?


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:51 | 2004444 GOSPLAN HERO
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Only free men are armed.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:19 | 2004606 disabledvet
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And something tells me "the Bible isn't part of the GOSPLAN" either.

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