Infographic - Are Guns And Ammo The New Gold?

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Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:55 | 2004482 lincolnsteffens
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Silver bullets!!! You always need some for when the blood sucking vampire squids come calling.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:24 | 2004328 FOC 1183
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don't leave home without it

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:25 | 2004330 disabledvet
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"Let me map your mind and I will tell you all you need to know."

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:25 | 2004331 Dick Darlington
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But but but, CONsumer CONfidence is rising according to the propaganda so why would people feel the need to buy guns and ammo, not to mention the barbarous relic?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:33 | 2004353 HardwoodAg
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Consumers have confidence, because more now own some fire-power. Makes for a leveler playing field.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:50 | 2004439 johngaltfla
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f you're hoarding .223, you're already dead.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:14 | 2004582 Vergeltung
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how's that?

 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:01 | 2004810 johngaltfla
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If you're going to survive what is coming you need 3 things:

1. Range

2. Penetrating power

3. Things that make bigger holes

.223 don't cut it.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:57 | 2005061 GrinandBearit
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Yeah... a .223 does none of those things.

You're an assclown.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 22:21 | 2006138 johngaltfla
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Okay, set a target up in deep underbrush or as I live, in tropical conditions.

Make it visible and fire your Mommy's gun, a Bushmaster at 250 yards.

Then get a real gun which shoots .308.

Let me know which gun hits the target with the bigger hole.

If I'm an "assclown" you're an ignorant fool and never shot a weapon besides playing a video game or masturbated about it while watching Red Dawn 100 times.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 16:15 | 2005125 MonsterBox
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.50 cal, running around 150 grain?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:19 | 2005344 KK Tipton
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".223 don't cut it."

An understatement!
.223 is for rodent control or people with heavy weapon suppport (cannon fodder guys).

Shoot a bowling ball at 100 yards with .223...then one with .308
Come back and let us know the result.

It's better to have the power, and not need it....

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:55 | 2005663 X. Kurt OSis
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The 5.56 was adopted during the Vietnam Conflict because of its non-lethality.  Wounded NVA soldiers use up more resources than dead NVA soldiers.  It's easy to fire and to keep on target in full auto, but since most civilian AR15's don't include a fire selector, we don't get that benefit.

I like AR's cause parts and ammo are readily available.  The HK91 would be a way better rifle but they are harder to come by and way more expensive.

I like range and I'm real particular.  I have a pairing of a .270 Winchester and a .300 Winmag.  The 130 grain 270 is one of the most popular cartridges in the US and the 180 grain 300 winmag has almost identical ballistic characteristics so the line of sight drop and wind impact is the same.  I like the fact that the holdoffs are almost precisely the same so you get a feel for shooting in the wind with one and its the same for the other.  I can keep 500 yards between me and a threat with both of those. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 19:22 | 2005730 Chuck Walla
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There are a few hundred thousand dead who might take exception, if they only could...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:25 | 2004638 disabledvet
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Aha! A loyal listener! And you thought "the only war is in Iraq." You should try your hand at being a media personality! I like my life as an amateur fisherman a lot better.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:32 | 2004667 HardwoodAg
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Fly fishermen have the longest rods, and might even handle a Monteal Whore a couple times a day.

http://globalflyfisher.com/streamers/swaps/attractor/whore.htm

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:03 | 2004825 disabledvet
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I'm a fly fisherman! I'm a fly fisherman! Where'd you hear that one? I like it!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:16 | 2005506 CompassionateFascist
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When you need comic relief, there's always Marketwatch.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:38 | 2004336 hedgeless_horseman
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47% of Americans admitting to Gallop they own a gun.

 

<1% are able to employ a firearm consistently and effectively under stress.*

>99% rely on dumb luck.

 

Get professional training. 

Practice.

Be in the 1%.

 

 

*Gun fights are stressful

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:40 | 2004384 JPM Hater001
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Well said.

I use this little rule.  Pick your fights carefully.

Win all fights.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:51 | 2004446 ratso
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The perceived dangers are most likely your own inner demons.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:56 | 2004483 JPM Hater001
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Well, there's Whitewidia, my Green Demon.

And Brandiminia, my amber liquid demon.

RonPaulia, my spokesmen demon.

Bersa0nia- my very concealable led delivery demon...

Oh, and Preparatparanoionia, my "I have an IQ of 130 and know enough to drop my normalcy bias" demon.  He's my favorite.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:06 | 2004485 hedgeless_horseman
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The perceived dangers are most likely your own inner demons.

Obviously so.  Fortunately, both these inner demons and actual dangers can be vanquished with ability and capability. 

I have learned to listen to my instincts, but you have every right to ignore yours.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:06 | 2004528 JPM Hater001
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Agreed.  You have every right to ignore reality.  However, you do not get to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:31 | 2004663 disabledvet
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How the hell do we move beyond what we "perceive"? I"'ve tried "driving by sense of smell"...but only briefly.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:02 | 2004819 X. Kurt OSis
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The perceived dangers are most likely your own inner demons.

I find this mentaility striking.  My company has a business continuity plan that has contingencies escalating from an event localized in the NY Metro area to an event that essentially assumes the entire eastern half of the US is "offline" that includes staffing and operational support backed up all the way to the Rockies.

In the context of normal corporate risk management, this is not paranoia, it's sensible if not standard operating procedure for similar businesses.  If I personally decide to make preparations that assume the entire Eastern Seaboard could go "offline," I am a paranoid nutjob giving in to my inner demons. 

I'll admit that I stockpile food, ammo, medical supplies and precious metals.  Perhaps I should simply call that Business Continuity Planning.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:07 | 2004846 disabledvet
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You can call it BCT for short. I'm looking at the Zero Hedge rule book" and it says "you can call anything anything you like."

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:26 | 2004926 X. Kurt OSis
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I honestly think if similar minded people adopted a corporate approach to describing this mentality, the sheep would get it.

Call it "ammo stockpiling for when the shit hits the fan" and you're paranoid.

Call it "calmly remove the life vest from the pouch beneath your seat-business continuity planning" and you are a prudent rational person.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:23 | 2005352 KK Tipton
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It's all about the marketing!!!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:52 | 2004457 toadold
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I was at a Doctors office earlier this year as a new patient. On the paperwork there was a question about if I had firearms in my dwelling. I checked no.  All of my guns, ammo, extra food, and pm was lost in a tragic boating accident.  For some reason I suspect people don't tell pollsters the truth about whether or not they own guns and gold. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:21 | 2004613 RobD
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I would have circled the question and added a commit like F**K off and die and walked out. That Dr. is part of the problem.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:09 | 2004856 disabledvet
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I checked "no" as well...but wrote in "I have an arsenal." something about the wording bothered me.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:15 | 2004885 boattrash
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You should have stated, No, it's in your office with me.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:50 | 2005033 au_bayitch
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#boattrash - LOL

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:21 | 2005529 CompassionateFascist
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Standard stuff. ZOG is looking toward regulating firearms as a "health measure".

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:37 | 2004474 Hugh G Rection
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+1

Gun fights are stressful indeed.  Training is VERY important. When faced with a life or death situation the body instantly goes into parasympathetic shock, loss of fine motor skills, tunnel vision, brief loss of hearing and time seems to slow down.

Training can help unfreeze you while your body goes through it's natural fight/flight.  Don't rely on a weapon you are not familiar with, and have trained with extensively.  I prefer Glocks and Springfield as carry pieces for this reason. No safety to manipulate under stressful circumstances, just "extend, front sight, touch, press"

Jim Cirillo was in numerous gunfights while serving on the NYPD stakeout squad. His book "Guns, Bullets, and Gunfighters" is very informative.

Rob Pincus has a dvd series "Combat Focus Shooting" that is very informative as well.

http://combatfocusshooting.com/

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:19 | 2004901 Jendrzejczyk
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" the body instantly goes into parasympathetic shock, loss of fine motor skills, tunnel vision, brief loss of hearing and time seems to slow down."

At first glance, it would seem that training on shrooms would be wise.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:56 | 2005056 Hugh G Rection
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Maybe not shrooms, but people have been known to take meds to counter the bodies natural response to stress.

 

"Prior to raiding the North Hollywood bank, Phillips and Matasareanu took muscle relaxants, which left them moving in a slow and almost casual manner."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5332/is_3_54/ai_n29334106/

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 16:30 | 2005181 The Alarmist
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On average, 30% of shots fired by low-skilled shooters in close-quarters combat hit their mark ... If you stay cool, that can go to 70%. Focus is more than half the battle.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:14 | 2005329 ClassicalLib17
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Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a good source of knowledge, as well.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 01:50 | 2006519 Bringin It
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:20 | 2005345 Thisson
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Does playing copious amounts of MW3 count as training?  Killology.com says it does...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 18:16 | 2005463 Hugh G Rection
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I have to admit playing MW3 is a vice of mine.  I do get irritated by the little kiddies that pretend to be weapons experts because they play COD.  They're always flooding the comments of gun related youtube videos with "akimbo" this "sleight of hand pro" that, and blah, blah, blah.

Perhaps it is more social engineering from the likes of the Rockefeller cabal, but it's better than watching faux news or mslsd... and it helps me vent.

I also like to turn on my bluetooth and play AE911truth videos, interviews with Dr. Alan Sabrosky, and talk about the banking cartel while I'm in an online match, some people listen, most just mute me.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 19:32 | 2005760 Chuck Walla
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Getting people to kill is easier than it was in  WW I where they figured 18% could be counted on to actually aim and shoot at the enemy. A little combat experieince brought more of them around. Its called "seasoning the troops". Best to try and stay alive untill you get used to it.  Its about surviving, not winning.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:08 | 2007030 DanDaley
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You haven't lived until you've had a gun pointed at you in anger.  Practice under stress.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:27 | 2004338 Mad Marv
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If someone asks me, "Do you own a Gun?"  Do you think I tell them??

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:34 | 2004356 MsCreant
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or how many?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:46 | 2004406 Eally Ucked
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Are you a prof?

Do you think that when they send 15 guys with guns to subdue you and yor family, you'll have enough fire power to repel it and have time to call other guys to help you, and they will be willing to do it? Just give me a break!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:02 | 2004509 Hugh G Rection
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15 guys....

Well those same 15 guys may reconsider if a well armed homeowner has them forced into a chokepoint or "fatal funnel" such as a doorway.  A steady stream of combat accurate fire from an elevated position and a bag of loaded magazines can even the odds.

What's the alternative?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:38 | 2004687 Canaduh
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I hope your home is made of stone or concrete, cause Mr. Molotov likes to play.

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