Infographic: Visualizing The True Cost Of War
While we have shown some quite fascinating infographics (here and here) from the folks at Demonocracy, this one may be the most informative. Because while everyone knows by now that if the global "bailout" to preserve the insolvent ponzi were to be paid in crisp, physical $100 bills, the amount of money required would fill countless skyscrapers, and only pales compared to the the amount of money needed to fund the insolvent welfare state which at last check was at over a quarter of a quadrillion, it is another less appreciated aspect of the daily US spending routine that is arguably just as big an offender when it comes to endless wanton spending: the cost of war. Below we present just that, in a series of simple, easy to understand charts that even Nobel peace prize winners should grasp.
The true cost of war:
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Obviously, a lot of fellow ZH'ers believe in Ron Paul and his anti pre-emption/military industrial complex message.
Assuming he doesn't get the nomination (I still believe in him), will my fellow believers jump ship and vote for Obama just to give the middle finger to the Republican establishment, or just not vote at all?
Either way, the Republican party isn't winning shit without Ron Paul. They are too smart to not know this. There are much bigger forces at work here...
the republican party doesn't want to win this election. The next 4 years are a shitstorm, they'll take back over in 2016,,,,,,,,,,,,,
the price of gold is now flatlined at 1725............hmmmmm,,,,,,,,sooooonnnn
I'm thinking we wont make it till 2016.
But no, if Dr. Paul's not on the ballot I will just right him in. The US made their bed, let them wallow in it. I have enough gold and guns not to be worried.
In 2016 there will not be enough white people to elect a Republican. We will be better off breaking away in the next decade.
I'm OK with letting the Democrats and Obama take most of the blame for the complete and total economic collapse of the USA that is now a mathematical certainty.
I don’t think you understand, whites are 61% of the population, black vote on skin color, 95%, Hispanics vote on skin color, 65%, in 2016 there will never be another Republican president. America will become Mexico, and the PRI party that ruled 70 years.
By 2016, Montana, Wyoming, Texas and New Hamshire will be independent countries
Hello: Tyler Durden . Please note. Whoever this site belongs to is contaminated. I tried three times. It crashed three times.
They must want to load all kinds of crap on a PC without authorization. Worst site I came across this year.
I was just trying to blow up the page so I could read it. It crashes all my other open pages too.
How about giving us a view without the contamination. Never came across something this bad on Zh ever.
Please note: I am not trying to reflect a opinion about this site or the post. I am just trying to read it.
Have a Great Day All.
Perhaps appropriately for Valentine's Day, sometimes it's not them, it's you.
It's a huge image.
In my professional opinion, it would very likelly crash the browser in a PC which doesn't have much free memory and/or an older browser version. I suggest getting the latest version of Firefox or Chrome and maybe closing some applications.
Linux is free.
Ubuntu is your friend.
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What is missing from the analysis of the cost of war, which they disclosed in the fine print at the bottom, is the toll of the wounded, maimed and mentally injured soldiers. I read one account that said it was close to half a million. Anybody know?
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.George S. Patton
George S. Patton
Is this in any way a cost benefit analysis, without the benefits ? Report all the profits and windfalls arisen from these two wars for resources.
purpose of war is to stimulate demand during recession by destroying shit.
Spend money on missiles to destroy power plants, so that they can build another power plant.
All seed technology comes from wars because security threat is only way to get rich to spend on innovation.
There is a major problem with this view. War consumes massive amounts of resources in all catagories...many of them being finite. This in turn increases the cost of recovery back to the previous standard of living. Eventually, Marshall plans become pipe dreams and the second Dark Ages begins, filled with Mad Maxes and zombie like scavengers.
another contradiction of these "neo-colonial" wars (utterly different from ww2 and patton's worldview) is that they are ostensibly fought to bring democracy to these areas. in iraq this has been done to a degee, perhaps very temporarily. to the extent it can, iraq has refused a continued u.s. military presence, tellingly.
that is, if the u.s. is even remotely rational (i know), we are, especially given the notorious inaccuracy of a heavily aerial campaign, bombing people into voting for our candidates. essentially shooting them until they like us.
the u.s. civil war vanquished the south. it did not persuade it. and that was a single country of a single language of a single religion.
and these wars are not just for resources (imo). especially with iraq (and soon iran?) the people who actually agitate for the war(s) are motivated by (imo misplaced) zionism. wolfowitz, lieberman, perle, krauthammer, et. al. were not in the oil business.
will the u.s. be liked or obeyed more after these crimes? will israel be safer when these governments more closely reflect the will of their people?
Benefits? What benefits?
Both wars were started following a "rainbows and unicorns" strategic vision that in weeks both regimes would fall and people would welcome with open arms the foreign invaders .... err, i mean, liberators and (at least for Iraq) American and British oil majors would quickly start getting a slice of the local's oil wealth.
It didn't work so well, now did it? After years of war it's pretty clear that even the puppet regimes installed there are either turning against the "liberators" or likelly to be thrown down as soon as the cohalition forces leave.
Frankly this was the biggest strategic clusterfuck in modern history.
But still, TPTB profitted from this.
Get used to it LuKOsro, there is only one side on ZH.
Great profits and windfalls have benefitted the MIC. If you are associated with them, you have done well. The other 99.999% of the world has NOT profited.
Imagine the world today if GW Bush had renounced terrorism and war after 9/11 and pledged to use all peaceful means to bring the perpetrators to justice. If he had stood before the world and declared that it would be so easy to retaliate militarily but that America would instead take the high moral ground. That he wasn't going to fall into the trap the terrorists had set for him of excessive response fom the military superpower. Because America stands for justice, freedom and the rule of law and would not compromise it's high principles on the altar of vengence.
That would have been the statesmanlike thing to do. But instead he embarked the US on the one obvious course to ruin. Almost as if he wanted to follow their game plan.
Get a fuckin clue. This is about keeping the petrodollar sacrosanct. Looks like you skipped class last week.
Note to LKO; I don't know if we have enough computer power to uncover all the people who made profits and windfalls from these two wars.
I know. Just dreamin'
but does it keep the petrodollar strong? is the u.s. military stronger after iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, yemen, libya? do the authoritarian regimes of the persian gulf feel more secure? is the u.s. government supported by its people (crucial even in authoritarian states) more than a decade ago? is the u.s. dollar's future brighter now that there are three times more of them than a few short years ago? and less oil.
Imagine if GW Bush had embarked upon a real investigation to reveal the 9/11 perpetrators and brought them to justice.
Wait, he couldn't. He's probably one of them.
I predict that once all the returning soldiers discover that they can get a full military disability for PTSD, almost 100% will suffer from it. Think about how much that will cost.
Blacks voting for Obama? Check this video out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpkqbhpc1k
The Citizens United decision was good because it makes this allowed by private individuals and companies during campaigns;
Hillary the Movie, Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOYcM1z5fTs
That video is inspiring. That is real hope. Ron Paul's message gets through to all people who have not lost the ability to think critically/honestly, regardless of race, creed or gender.
Obama’s campaign is running on straight socialism as per his latest budget address.
Obama and the Democrat Party have divided the country along class lines, increasing the nation’s emphasis upon socialism and racial warfare by using federal spending to make people – be they government-connected workers and professionals or non-working welfare recipients – dependent upon centralized government. Here’s the story…
Obama campaign abandons white working-class voters in favor of minorities and the educated | U.K. Daily Mail | November 28, 2011
President Barack Obama's 2012 re-election campaign will be the first in modern political history to abandon white working-class voters, strategists claim…
Democratic strategists say President Obama is focusing his attention, instead, on poor black and Hispanic voters and educated white professionals.
'All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment... professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic,” longtime political reporter Thomas B. Edsall wrote in an opinion piece in the New York Times. (November 27, 2011)
'The 2012 approach treats white voters without college degrees as an unattainable cohort …’
'The Republican Party has become the party of the white working class,' [Ruy] Teixeira (a strategist at the liberal Center for American Progress) told the New York Times recently. …
‘Instead, as two Democratic strategists lay out, the president's 2012 re-election campaign will likely rely on winning over new 'young people, Hispanics, unmarried women and affluent suburbanites.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2067223/President-Obamas-2012-campaign-abandons-white-working-class-voters-favor-minorities-educated.html#ixzz1f2sTMDIA
IOW, the Democrats will keep U.S. borders open…for more Democrat-to-be voters. California is a microcosm of what's in store for white Americans.
Quite a selective reading. Glad to read once again that college graduates only work in certain sectors.
Once again, US citizens are trapped within US citizenism. They cant speak about what they say so they dress it.
More than 200 years ago, through classwarfare, US citizens launched the fastest expansion wave known to human history. A wave that would consume the planet's resources in the lastest fifty years more than all human beings since dawn of humanity.
What is going on is a crisis of expansion, a lack of resources to sustain/increase the tidal wave of expansion.
The excellent consumption performance was made possible by the aggregated demand produced by US citizen middle class and their quest to achieve noble status.
As consumption rate is no longer possible, the most efficient way out is to tackle the largest aggregated demand.
In US citizen societies, the rich own much more than they can consume. They are a minor issue.
By definition, the poors are people who have the least access to consumption provided by society. They are de facto a minor issue.
Remains the middle class and more than anything the aspiring middle class.
So far, the analysis is colour blind.
Now, historical US citizens are indo-europeans, coming from the Indus valley. They think they got something special.
Led by the spear head labelled the Germans, they have monetized any kind of conflicts possible in order to optimize their consumption superficy.
Now, as a result of class warfare, anyone who want to take the most efficient path out to clear the situation has to face two realities brought by US citizens.
Rich people are for the resounding majority white people.
Poor people are for the resounding majority non white people.
That is the way it is. That is the legacy of US citizenism to the world.
My understanding is that most of the population of Europe originally came across the Caucasus Mountains which does not contradict your tenet. Care to support this theory that they originated from the 'Indus Valley'?
The point is that people who call themselves Europeans are not the Europeans.
In this regard, it does not matter if they do not come from the Indus valley.
What matters is they do not come from Europe. And are not Europeans.
AnAnonymous' post is an example of the damage to someone's reasonableness when that person only has a little education. Complete your education. Thank you.
The rich people are, increasingly, Jews. And they have seen to it that policies were adopted (never approved by white Americans) to racially displace white Americans. Wake up. Apparently you approve of this.
pay attention to what obama does, especially in the three years between campaigns. do not, ever, pay attention to what he says, especially in the campaign year. his greatest skill is his lying. hands down.
Jewish is a religion so to speak.
No antagonism between being an Indo European and a Jew.
Oh Wow. welfare recipients & affirmative-actioned, unionized government employees. Professors, lawyers, Human Resource and social workers. All people who, well-intentioned or not: work-- or in the case of welfare recipients, don't-- in state-sponsored cartels; exist solely due to strictly unconstitutional constructions of Bureaucratic Law and Judicial Marxism, and; want to live off of your tax dollars and suffering forever.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you:
The Parasite Party. We Suck. You suck too, so vote for us. 2012.
Can anybody fit this on a bumper sticker?
Cheers,
Beef
with the exception of ron paul the republicans are an assemblage of dangerous idiots which will bring america nothing but more despair. the democrats arent much better at this point with the exception of a few. we need new people, principled people and smart people to take this country and do a 180. ron paul is the best chance at the moment.
economics1996,
You do not comprehend.
The races, who play the races race, lose the race.
YOU are being played.
Divide and conquer, ensures victory, of which you know not.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F4L6LbwHWY
Sorry but I must comment: A burial flag may be displayed on either a closed or open casket. On a closed casket, the flag should be displayed with the blue field (or union) at the head and lying over the deceased veteran's left shoulder.
The picture of the dead US soldier is disrespectful.
So this is what you gleaned from this pictorial representation? Wow. Glad we're not married.
don't worry. he'll be turned around before he's put back in the coffin and buried.
The guy in the casket it dead, and that stinks. Placing the flag this way or that way doesn't make it okay somehow.
If you believe that there really is a difference between democrats and republicans then you have lost already. If someone offers a binary political choice in anything, it means both options are lemons.
"We will be better off breaking away in the next decade."
Already plotting your Whites Only state, economics1996? I realize that the honest answer is almost certainly "no," but I must ask anyway.... Do you really believe your own bullshit or do you just openly hate everyone who isn't exactly like you and/or who doesn't directly benefit you? According to you and your earlier posts on this site, you have prospered in this imperfect gray laden society to the point where you could break away and fend for yourself until the end of time while cage fighting blacks and Mexicans for fun. So whatever may be wrong and no matter how many useless eaters are sucking off your gigantic white abused teet, it still worked for you. Is that just bullshit, or is it just that nothing is enough for the likes of you?
Hey Pal, whitey been payin' da billz for two genaratin' an shit. Two trillion in transfers Pally. You be dealin' wit dat shit. Soon white no pay or can't be payin'. Talk your dickless schtick then pal. Oh, and be riotin' all you want, diss time we no rebuild yo 'hood.
Are we running late for our Klan meeting and therefore a bit cranky?
Do you really think that the bulk of the US will be better off following the NE and the left coast into this delusion that we can borrow ourselves into prosperity? "The only logical conclusion is not to play". Whether this happens or not is much in question, but to deny the issue is falling right into the oligarchy's trap.
Hmm, sounds just like the arguments put forth for the American Revolution...
Is this by chance an American putting forth the British view to hold on to its colonies?
Just like..., but not. The American Revolution invovled revolt against unelected oligarchs who thought the rest of us should just slave away for their benefit. The Founders believed in a Democracy which involved free elections and which did not involve rule by those with Dynastic wealth and privilege. Seems we've come full circle. The Tea Party of 2000+ wants to let the oligarchs decide who is on the ballot and who is not. Have you read the Citizen United decision? Do you know the Party affiliation of the Court members who voted in favor of the oligarchs?
The voting system is rigged and corrupt!
An independent investigation lead by an elite hacker from Germany shows that the ballot votes gives 2X or 3X more votes to the candidate chosen by the Oligarchs.
"Free Election" does not exist.
Idiot or shill?
Let me ask you this.... Do you agree that the United States went bankrupt when we went off the gold standard?
I had a conversation with a good friend of mine a while back now. I asked him if he would rather vote and pay taxes or not vote and pay no taxes. Being respectable he said he would rather pay taxes and vote.
I then asked him if he would rather vote for any one of the five candidates I put before him and pay taxes or not vote and pay no taxes. He simply said that he would rather pay no taxes...
Nuff said.
are you calling me a shill?
Of course we went fucking bankrupt...
In the previous post all am saying that free elections no longer exist when you have the Government Squids and apparatus deciding who will win the election...
The more corrupt and loyal the politican to wall street, the more chances he has of winning.
Am for Ron Paul, but see what Romeny say's
"Fuck the Poor" so he will win
these days truth is treason in the empire of lies
All political donations should be banned. Each candidate should receive an equal grant paid for from taxes. That would end this charade and force candidates to focus on what was best for the country, and not who could raise the most funds from political sources.
Corporations should be banned outright. There is no way the majority of individuals can keep up with that.
Better yet, one man one vote in secret ballot primaries all held on the same day 90 days before the general election. No TV or radio ads allowed, no candidate money spent, and no donated money spent for them, word of mouth and news stories should do it, and candidates can hold public meetings to inform voters. If voters want to know who is running and what their stand on issues is let them pick up a newspaper. Also, I think it is way past time for a government vetting office to do background checks on all candidates running for national office to assure they meet the legal qualifications as to criminal records and citizenship, etc.
But you can take all money out of politics and still have a disaster of a system, because of gerrymandering and "safe seats." The very concept of a safe seat is so anti constitutional and anti American, anti democratic that it needs to end this goddamned election. If it takes a strict one term limit to get it done then so be it.
But, we are talking about things we could'a should'a would'a done 25 or 30 years ago to rescue the nation before it was too late. It is too late, we are slaves and America as we knew it is done and gone. As much as I detested Jimmy Carter he was the last president in the old USA that still had any integrity, Raygun was a fascist that destroyed the nation with debt. I hope there is a hell because the only comfort I have is the image of Satan jamming a pineapple up that old bastard's ass.
The "News"? Who gets to write that script? -1
Harlequin,
I nominate you to pay the grant out of your own pocket. Leave the rests of us out of your socialist wet dreams.
The government and its bureaucracy are not the solution. Ever.
Corporations are not the problem. Crony capitalism, fka fascism, is the problem.
Regarding your question, "Are you calling me a shill?"
I think that he is calling you an idiot whether or not you are a shill.
No, not seeing any difference there. A situation was in place that benefited more or less everyone to an extent which is now in doubt because others from within think they will be better off living by their own rules.
'The American Revolution invovled revolt against unelected oligarchs who thought the rest of us should just slave away for their benefit.' if you think that statement is any different to any other human society on this planet then I've got news for you. Why should Californians or Texans pay for bank bailouts in New York?
Sounds uncannily similar if you ask me, and the result will likely be the same. A split...
'The Founders believed in a Democracy which involved free elections and which did not involve rule by those with Dynastic wealth and privilege.' just as an aside though, I thought you had revolted to start a Republic?
Seems to me that you've done nothing more than copy and integrate the British system anyway...
Seems we've come full circle.
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Coming full circle is what revolutionaries do, right.
And US citizens are revolutionaries.
FF were class warfare leaders, leading a middle class insurrection against upper class to rob them from their priviledges, deceiving the lower class with the prospect of rewards that would never come.
There was shit before the rise of US citizenism, and there is much more shit now thanks to US citizenism.
US citizens have this gift: now matter how bad the situation is, they can worsen it.
Live show in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Soon to come to Syria and Iran.
Who is we? Middle aged white Male Protestants?
You know. It is to be expected when resources start to run out, infighting will be inevitable. When you fight for the last aspirin, skin color won't be the issue.
When the time comes, I want to belong to a cool group. No blacks because I think they will be hunting us down. They need some payback just like native Americans. I do want a Mexican. They can cross a desert and be ready for work the very next day. A Jew, so he can negotiate our food and, let's face it, they are good entertainment. A woman or two. Enough for the essentials, but not too many as to make the nagging unbearable. An Asian because you need somebody to intercede for you with the new overlords. You know the Indian is just going to tag along, and arguing with him is useless so I might as well let him in. An Italian because they can fight and know how to cook well. The Irish can fight too, but only when they are drunk so no Irish. No French that is on principle alone. Fuck them. Also, anybody named Sky, Eagle, Dawn or any other hippie name. I will not be in the mood to be dealing with a full of shit pot head, so that is a negative. Nobody wearing sheets on their heads, burning crosses or flags, carrying a bible the size of a phone book, lawyers or politicians regardless of race or national origin.
this is so funny I'm crying
Funny shit. +1
Middle aged white male protestant breeders mind you. Can't have no fairies in their slice of heaven. But do take the lesbians, you never know when you might need to borrow their trucks for getting firewood or moving.
No blacks because I think they will be hunting us down. They need some payback just like native Americans.
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Made me laugh. That is quite a delusion this US citizen tries to sell.
It is really thick. And one needs a superhuman throat to swallow this kind of stuff.
US citizens hate on being wrong. Can be understood if you fathom how much wrong they have been as US citizenism is nothing more than a ghost built on the bubble of nothing. And one of their ways to feel comfortable with being that wrong is to suppress that people who are right. Killing being the ultimate solution.
So what is going to happen?
In these days, with US citizens exhibiting everywhere their hatred their reign could decline, with them making preemptive moves (wars) everywhere possible, one has to wish it to believe the thick lie offered previously.
What is going to happen, according to US citizen eternal nature:
-negroes will be hunted down (see previously)
-any resistance attempt will be depicted as an aggression on Indo-European US citizens (bully dimension)
-sound decision not to associate with negroes because if you do, you will be treated as a negro yourself by Indo-european US citizens (see history and what happen to the Indians who adopted negroes in their tribe)
But hey, victimhood being high among US citizens, they have to picture themselves as the victims.
And as they have built a world of quasi certainty but want to keep stating that things are open, and therefore uncertain, US citizens sink into cheap propaganda or mere fantasy.
It is really thick. And one needs a superhuman throat to swallow this kind of stuff.
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FYI That is what your wife said last night.
Any cerebral prick that can't take a joke is off the list too.|..
If it's between Newt and Obama, I would hold my nose and vote for Newt. If it's between Romney and Obama, why would I vote for obama lite when I can vote for the real thing. The libs and the GOP establishment made their bed, I might as well help them dig their own graves.
They won't let Ron Paul win. BREAKING NEWS
Reality Check: GOP scrambles under allegations of rampant voter fraud in Maine caucus
http://www.fox19.com/story/16937227/reality-check-was-there-voter-fraud-in-maine
Iowa too.
But the Maine thing is crazy, with one of the cacus leaders calling in and reporting the numbers were wrong and them blowing him off until he said they'd done the count publically in front of the voters.
Oh, and Nevada where Paul's strongest showing happened to be the one place that was videotaping the vote count.
I think I'm seeing a pattern.
There is something interesting about their plans for 2012, and you may very well be right that it is just a waiting game until 2016.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x28_I9oIVg&feature=youtu.be
Could they be smart enough to let Obama believe that the Republicans are throwing up Romney, Gingrich or Santorum only to surprise him at the end by nominating Paul and peak his popularity at the right time...closer to the election?
Rand Paul?
I'd go for that, doesn't appear the crazy gene bit him.
I agree totally, why would the republicans want to 'be in charge' when the currency collapses along with everything else. They want to point the finger at democrats and the democrats want to act like they are innocent and it is all of them who are to blame
Because they want to arrest the other guys, not have their guys be the outlaws. The 2012 election is about who controls the military, not the economy, which will blow any month now. Who gets thrown into the reeducation camps?
What you say makes sense.........but, when was the last time politicians made any sense? I think they DO want to win. They are complete idiots after all. I mean, who in their right mind would have wanted to take over after Duhbya with the world in the midst of a major financial crisis. No one in their right mind obviously. So the candidates we got to choose from more resembled actors rejected from The Beverly Hillbillies TV show for being just too rediculous for viewers to watch than anything remotely resembling leaders. Jed Clampett for President!!!
Most of the RP people will soon enough dump politics altogether. Blue Team, Red Team, whatever... it's all barbaric.
beat me to it, these parties must go to prison
lolno.
If RP isn't the republican nomination, it's the libertarian party candidate.
Don't vote for your own destruction, which is EXACTLY what a vote for ANY establishment candidate is.
gary johnson is the libertarian candidate. hes a great choice actually. he was known as Governor Veto in new mexico. wouldnt approve any budget that wasnt balanced.........................
Rand Paul needs to carry the flag.
I think they want him to only carry a white flag...
Johnson is on the record saying that the reason no Banksters are in jail is because they only made bad choices, but didn't do anything illegal.
Business as usual.
I haven't voted the last two elections, and I don't plan on voting this one either, unless it is for Ron Paul.
Its always amusing to see how few people vote Libertarian.
I think Ron Paul should run 3rd party. That in itself is a middle finger to the GOP.
Ron Paul in 3rd party wouldn't make more than 3%, which is his real base of support in the United States once the Republican primary hype disappears