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Infographic: Visualizing The True Cost Of War

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While we have shown some quite fascinating infographics (here and here) from the folks at Demonocracy, this one may be the most informative. Because while everyone knows by now that if the global "bailout" to preserve the insolvent ponzi were to be paid in crisp, physical $100 bills, the amount of money required would fill countless skyscrapers, and only pales compared to the the amount of money needed to fund the insolvent welfare state which at last check was at over a quarter of a quadrillion, it is another less appreciated aspect of the daily US spending routine that is arguably just as big an offender when it comes to endless wanton spending: the cost of war. Below we present just that, in a series of simple, easy to understand charts that even Nobel peace prize winners should grasp.

The true cost of war:


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Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:38 | 2160495 Robot Traders Mom
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Obviously, a lot of fellow ZH'ers believe in Ron Paul and his anti pre-emption/military industrial complex message.


Assuming he doesn't get the nomination (I still believe in him), will my fellow believers jump ship and vote for Obama just to give the middle finger to the Republican establishment, or just not vote at all?


Either way, the Republican party isn't winning shit without Ron Paul. They are too smart to not know this. There are much bigger forces at work here...

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:44 | 2160510 I think I need ...
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the republican party doesn't want to win this election. The next 4 years are a shitstorm, they'll take back over in 2016,,,,,,,,,,,,,

the price of gold is now flatlined at 1725............hmmmmm,,,,,,,,sooooonnnn

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:52 | 2160533 GFKjunior
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I'm thinking we wont make it till 2016.


But no, if Dr. Paul's not on the ballot I will just right him in. The US made their bed, let them wallow in it. I have enough gold and guns not to be worried.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:15 | 2160598 economics1996
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In 2016 there will not be enough white people to elect a Republican.  We will be better off breaking away in the next decade.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:27 | 2160624 Michael
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I'm OK with letting the Democrats and Obama take most of the blame for the complete and total economic collapse of the USA that is now a mathematical certainty.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:31 | 2160633 economics1996
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I don’t think you understand, whites are 61% of the population, black vote on skin color, 95%, Hispanics vote on skin color, 65%, in 2016 there will never be another Republican president.  America will become Mexico, and the PRI party that ruled 70 years.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:06 | 2160687 Doña K
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By 2016, Montana, Wyoming, Texas and New Hamshire will be independent countries 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:11 | 2160768 rocker
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Hello: Tyler Durden .   Please note.  Whoever this site belongs to is contaminated. I tried three times. It crashed three times.

They must want to load all kinds of crap on a PC without authorization.  Worst site I came across this year. 

I was just trying to blow up the page so I could read it. It crashes all my other open pages too.

How about giving us a view without the contamination.  Never came across something this bad on Zh ever.

Please note: I am not trying to reflect a opinion about this site or the post. I am just trying to read it.

Have a Great Day All.  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:20 | 2160778 redpill
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Perhaps appropriately for Valentine's Day, sometimes it's not them, it's you.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:09 | 2160954 Acet
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It's a huge image.

In my professional opinion, it would very likelly crash the browser in a PC which doesn't have much free memory and/or an older browser version. I suggest getting the latest version of Firefox or Chrome and maybe closing some applications.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:45 | 2161113 clymer
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Linux is free.

Ubuntu is your friend.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:25 | 2160780 macholatte
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What is missing from the analysis of the cost of war, which they disclosed in the fine print at the bottom, is the toll of the wounded, maimed and mentally injured soldiers. I read one account that said it was close to half a million. Anybody know?


It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
George S. Patton

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
George S. Patton

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 03:25 | 2160833 LuKOsro
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Is this in any way a cost benefit analysis, without the benefits ? Report all the profits and windfalls arisen from these two wars for resources.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:48 | 2160894 AldousHuxley
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purpose of war is to stimulate demand during recession by destroying shit.


Spend money on missiles to destroy power plants, so that they can build another power plant.


All seed technology comes from wars because security threat is only way to get rich to spend on innovation.



Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:47 | 2160977 fockewulf190
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There is a major problem with this view. War consumes massive amounts of resources in all catagories...many of them being finite. This in turn increases the cost of recovery back to the previous standard of living. Eventually, Marshall plans become pipe dreams and the second Dark Ages begins, filled with Mad Maxes and zombie like scavengers.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:28 | 2160996 jeff montanye
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another contradiction of these "neo-colonial" wars (utterly different from ww2 and patton's worldview) is that they are ostensibly fought to bring democracy to these areas.  in iraq this has been done to a degee, perhaps very temporarily.  to the extent it can, iraq has refused a continued u.s. military presence, tellingly.

that is, if the u.s. is even remotely rational (i know), we are, especially given the notorious inaccuracy of a heavily aerial campaign, bombing people into voting for our candidates.  essentially shooting them until they like us.  

the u.s. civil war vanquished the south.  it did not persuade it.  and that was a single country of a single language of a single religion.

and these wars are not just for resources (imo).  especially with iraq (and soon iran?) the people who actually agitate for the war(s) are motivated by (imo misplaced) zionism.  wolfowitz, lieberman, perle, krauthammer, et. al. were not in the oil business.

will the u.s. be liked or obeyed more after these crimes?  will israel be safer when these governments more closely reflect the will of their people?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:17 | 2160955 Acet
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Benefits? What benefits?

Both wars were started following a "rainbows and unicorns" strategic vision that in weeks both regimes would fall and people would welcome with open arms the foreign invaders .... err, i mean, liberators and (at least for Iraq) American and British oil majors would quickly start getting a slice of the local's oil wealth.

It didn't work so well, now did it? After years of war it's pretty clear that even the puppet regimes installed there are either turning against the "liberators" or likelly to be thrown down as soon as the cohalition forces leave.

Frankly this was the biggest strategic clusterfuck in modern history.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:28 | 2161495 andyupnorth
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But still, TPTB profitted from this.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:28 | 2161087 kralizec
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Get used to it LuKOsro, there is only one side on ZH.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:33 | 2161851 moondog
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Great profits and windfalls have benefitted the MIC. If you are associated with them, you have done well. The other 99.999% of the world has NOT profited.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 03:25 | 2160835 Kiwi Pete
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Imagine the world today if GW Bush had renounced terrorism and war after 9/11 and pledged to use all peaceful means to bring the perpetrators to justice. If he had stood before the world and declared that it would be so easy to retaliate militarily but that America would instead take the high moral ground. That he wasn't going to fall into the trap the terrorists had set for him of excessive response fom the military superpower. Because America stands for justice, freedom and the rule of law and would not compromise it's high principles on the altar of vengence.

That would have been the statesmanlike thing to do. But instead he embarked the US on the one obvious course to ruin. Almost as if he wanted to follow their game plan.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:00 | 2160854 zhandax
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Get a fuckin clue.  This is about keeping the petrodollar sacrosanct.  Looks like you skipped class last week.

Note to LKO; I don't know if we have enough computer power to uncover all the people who made profits and windfalls from these two wars.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:05 | 2160953 Kiwi Pete
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I know. Just dreamin'

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:38 | 2161004 jeff montanye
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but does it keep the petrodollar strong?  is the u.s. military stronger after iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, yemen, libya?  do the authoritarian regimes of the persian gulf feel more secure?  is the u.s. government supported by its people (crucial even in authoritarian states) more than a decade ago? is the u.s. dollar's future brighter now that there are three times more of them than a few short years ago?  and less oil.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:25 | 2161479 Kobe Beef
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Imagine if GW Bush had embarked upon a real investigation to reveal the 9/11 perpetrators and brought them to justice.

Wait, he couldn't. He's probably one of them.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:04 | 2161682 monoloco
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I predict that once all the returning soldiers discover that they can get a full military disability for PTSD, almost 100% will suffer from it. Think about how much that will cost.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:22 | 2160705 Transformer
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Blacks voting for Obama?  Check this video out.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:59 | 2160811 Michael
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The Citizens United decision was good because it makes this allowed by private individuals and companies during campaigns;

Hillary the Movie, Trailer

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:03 | 2160860 Raymond Reason
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That video is inspiring.  That is real hope.  Ron Paul's message gets through to all people who have not lost the ability to think critically/honestly, regardless of race, creed or gender. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:44 | 2160734 JR
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Obama’s campaign is running on straight socialism as per his latest budget address.

Obama and the Democrat Party have divided the country along class lines, increasing the nation’s emphasis upon socialism and racial warfare by using federal spending to make people – be they government-connected workers and professionals or non-working welfare recipients – dependent upon centralized government. Here’s the story…

Obama campaign abandons white working-class voters in favor of minorities and the educated | U.K. Daily Mail | November 28, 2011

President Barack Obama's 2012 re-election campaign will be the first in modern political history to abandon white working-class voters, strategists claim…

Democratic strategists say President Obama is focusing his attention, instead, on poor black and Hispanic voters and educated white professionals.

'All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment... professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic,” longtime political reporter Thomas B. Edsall wrote in an opinion piece in the New York Times. (November 27, 2011)

'The 2012 approach treats white voters without college degrees as an unattainable cohort …’

'The Republican Party has become the party of the white working class,' [Ruy] Teixeira (a strategist at the liberal Center for American Progress) told the New York Times recently. …

‘Instead, as two Democratic strategists lay out, the president's 2012 re-election campaign will likely rely on winning over new 'young people, Hispanics, unmarried women and affluent suburbanites.'

Read more:

IOW, the Democrats will keep U.S. borders open…for more Democrat-to-be voters. California is a microcosm of what's in store for white Americans.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:09 | 2160862 AnAnonymous
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Quite a selective reading. Glad to read once again that college graduates only work in certain sectors.

Once again, US citizens are trapped within US citizenism. They cant speak about what they say so they dress it.

More than 200 years ago, through classwarfare, US citizens launched the fastest expansion wave known to human history. A wave that would consume the planet's resources in the lastest fifty years more than all human beings since dawn of humanity.

What is going on is a crisis of expansion, a lack of resources to sustain/increase the tidal wave of expansion.

The excellent consumption performance was made possible by the aggregated demand produced by US citizen middle class and their quest to achieve noble status.

As consumption rate is no longer possible, the most efficient way out is to tackle the largest aggregated demand.

In US citizen societies, the rich own much more than they can consume. They are a minor issue.

By definition, the poors are people who have the least access to consumption provided by society. They are de facto a minor issue.

Remains the middle class and more than anything the aspiring middle class.

So far, the analysis is colour blind.

Now, historical US citizens are indo-europeans, coming from the Indus valley. They think they got something special.
Led by the spear head labelled the Germans, they have monetized any kind of conflicts possible in order to optimize their consumption superficy.

Now, as a result of class warfare, anyone who want to take the most efficient path out to clear the situation has to face two realities brought by US citizens.

Rich people are for the resounding majority white people.

Poor people are for the resounding majority non white people.

That is the way it is. That is the legacy of US citizenism to the world.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 05:14 | 2160918 zhandax
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My understanding is that most of the population of Europe originally came across the Caucasus Mountains which does not contradict your tenet.  Care to support this theory that they originated from the 'Indus Valley'?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:44 | 2161110 AnAnonymous
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The point is that people who call themselves Europeans are not the Europeans.

In this regard, it does not matter if they do not come from the Indus valley.

What matters is they do not come from Europe. And are not Europeans.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:04 | 2162006 Raymond K Hessel
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AnAnonymous' post is an example of the damage to someone's reasonableness when that person only has a little education.  Complete your education.  Thank you.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:17 | 2160956 Optimusprime
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The rich people are, increasingly, Jews.  And they have seen to it that policies were adopted (never approved by white Americans) to racially displace white Americans.  Wake up.   Apparently you approve of this.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:43 | 2161007 jeff montanye
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pay attention to what obama does, especially in the three years between campaigns.  do not, ever, pay attention to what he says, especially in the campaign year.  his greatest skill is his lying.  hands down.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:45 | 2161114 AnAnonymous
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Jewish is a religion so to speak.

No antagonism between being an Indo European and a Jew.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:21 | 2161464 Kobe Beef
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Oh Wow. welfare recipients & affirmative-actioned, unionized government employees. Professors, lawyers, Human Resource and social workers. All people who, well-intentioned or not: work-- or in the case of welfare recipients, don't-- in state-sponsored cartels; exist solely due to strictly unconstitutional constructions of Bureaucratic Law and Judicial Marxism, and; want to live off of your tax dollars and suffering forever.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you:

The Parasite Party. We Suck. You suck too, so vote for us. 2012.


Can anybody fit this on a bumper sticker?




Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:56 | 2161015 barkingbill
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with the exception of ron paul the republicans are an assemblage of dangerous idiots which will bring america nothing but more despair. the democrats arent much better at this point with the exception of a few. we need new people, principled people and smart people to take this country and do a 180. ron paul is the best chance at the moment. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:19 | 2161059 SilverDOG
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You do not comprehend. 

The races, who play the races race, lose the race.

YOU are being played.

Divide and conquer, ensures victory, of which you know not.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:16 | 2160775 indygo55
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Sorry but I must comment: A burial flag may be displayed on either a closed or open casket. On a closed casket, the flag should be displayed with the blue field (or union) at the head and lying over the deceased veteran's left shoulder.

The picture of the dead US soldier is disrespectful.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:23 | 2160871 Raymond Reason
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So this is what you gleaned from this pictorial representation?  Wow.  Glad we're not married.   

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:47 | 2161009 jeff montanye
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don't worry.  he'll be turned around before he's put back in the coffin and buried.  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:17 | 2161060 Backspin
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The guy in the casket it dead, and that stinks.  Placing the flag this way or that way doesn't make it okay somehow.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:27 | 2161080 CPL
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If you believe that there really is a difference between democrats and republicans then you have lost already.  If someone offers a binary political choice in anything, it means both options are lemons.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:37 | 2160640 LetThemEatRand
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"We will be better off breaking away in the next decade."

Already plotting your Whites Only state, economics1996?   I realize that the honest answer is almost certainly "no," but I must ask anyway....  Do you really believe your own bullshit or do you just openly hate everyone who isn't exactly like you and/or who doesn't directly benefit you?  According to you and your earlier posts on this site, you have prospered in this imperfect gray laden society to the point where you could break away and fend for yourself until the end of time while cage fighting blacks and Mexicans for fun.  So whatever may be wrong and no matter how many useless eaters are sucking off your gigantic white abused teet, it still worked for you.  Is that just bullshit, or is it just that nothing is enough for the likes of you?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:20 | 2160701 RafterManFMJ
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Hey Pal, whitey been payin' da billz for two genaratin' an shit. Two trillion in transfers Pally. You be dealin' wit dat shit. Soon white no pay or can't be payin'.  Talk your dickless schtick then pal. Oh, and be riotin' all you want, diss time we no rebuild yo 'hood.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:24 | 2160707 LetThemEatRand
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Are we running late for our Klan meeting and therefore a bit cranky?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:26 | 2160960 zhandax
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"We will be better off breaking away in the next decade."

Do you really think that the bulk of the US will be better off following the NE and the left coast into this delusion that we can borrow ourselves into prosperity?  "The only logical conclusion is not to play".  Whether this happens or not is much in question, but to deny the issue is falling right into the oligarchy's trap.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:21 | 2160704 Harlequin001
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Hmm, sounds just like the arguments put forth for the American Revolution...

Is this by chance an American putting forth the British view to hold on to its colonies?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:46 | 2160730 LetThemEatRand
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Just like..., but not.  The American Revolution invovled revolt against unelected oligarchs who thought the rest of us should just slave away for their benefit.  The Founders believed in a Democracy which involved free elections and which did not involve rule by those with Dynastic wealth and privilege.  Seems we've come full circle.   The Tea Party of 2000+ wants to let the oligarchs decide who is on the ballot and who is not.  Have you read the Citizen United decision?  Do you know the Party affiliation of the Court members who voted in favor of the oligarchs?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:54 | 2160743 resurger
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The voting system is rigged and corrupt!

An independent investigation lead by an elite hacker from Germany shows that the ballot votes gives 2X or 3X more votes to the candidate chosen by the Oligarchs.

"Free Election" does not exist.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:08 | 2160760 LetThemEatRand
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Idiot or shill?

Let me ask you this....  Do you agree that the United States went bankrupt when we went off the gold standard?  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:47 | 2160798 Harlequin001
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I had a conversation with a good friend of mine a while back now. I asked him if he would rather vote and pay taxes or not vote and pay no taxes. Being respectable he said he would rather pay taxes and vote.

I then asked him if he would rather vote for any one of the five candidates I put before him and pay taxes or not vote and pay no taxes. He simply said that he would rather pay no taxes...

Nuff said.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:55 | 2160807 resurger
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are you calling me a shill?

Of course we went fucking bankrupt...

In the previous post all am saying that free elections no longer exist when you have the Government Squids and apparatus deciding who will win the election...

The more corrupt and loyal the politican to wall street, the more chances he has of winning.

Am for Ron Paul, but see what Romeny say's

"Fuck the Poor" so he will win

these days truth is treason in the empire of lies

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 03:12 | 2160820 Harlequin001
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All political donations should be banned. Each candidate should receive an equal grant paid for from taxes. That would end this charade and force candidates to focus on what was best for the country, and not who could raise the most funds from political sources.

Corporations should be banned outright. There is no way the majority of individuals can keep up with that.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:17 | 2160867 boiltherich
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Better yet, one man one vote in secret ballot primaries all held on the same day 90 days before the general election.  No TV or radio ads allowed, no candidate money spent, and no donated money spent for them, word of mouth and news stories should do it, and candidates can hold public meetings to inform voters.  If voters want to know who is running and what their stand on issues is let them pick up a newspaper.  Also, I think it is way past time for a government vetting office to do background checks on all candidates running for national office to assure they meet the legal qualifications as to criminal records and citizenship, etc. 

But you can take all money out of politics and still have a disaster of a system, because of gerrymandering and "safe seats."  The very concept of a safe seat is so anti constitutional and anti American, anti democratic that it needs to end this goddamned election.  If it takes a strict one term limit to get it done then so be it. 

But, we are talking about things we could'a should'a would'a done 25 or 30 years ago to rescue the nation before it was too late.  It is too late, we are slaves and America as we knew it is done and gone.  As much as I detested Jimmy Carter he was the last president in the old USA that still had any integrity, Raygun was a fascist that destroyed the nation with debt.  I hope there is a hell because the only comfort I have is the image of Satan jamming a pineapple up that old bastard's ass. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:34 | 2161293 VelvetHog
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The "News"?  Who gets to write that script?  -1

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:08 | 2162022 Raymond K Hessel
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I nominate you to pay the grant out of your own pocket.  Leave the rests of us out of your socialist wet dreams.  

The government and its bureaucracy are not the solution.  Ever.  

Corporations are not the problem.  Crony capitalism, fka fascism, is the problem.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:32 | 2160879 bpom
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Regarding your question, "Are you calling me a shill?"  


I think that he is calling you an idiot whether or not you are a shill.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:39 | 2160792 Harlequin001
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No, not seeing any difference there. A situation was in place that benefited more or less everyone to an extent which is now in doubt because others from within think they will be better off living by their own rules. 

'The American Revolution invovled revolt against unelected oligarchs who thought the rest of us should just slave away for their benefit.' if you think that statement is any different to any other human society on this planet then I've got  news for you. Why should Californians or Texans pay for bank bailouts in New York?

Sounds uncannily similar if you ask me, and the result will likely be the same. A split...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:42 | 2160796 Harlequin001
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'The Founders believed in a Democracy which involved free elections and which did not involve rule by those with Dynastic wealth and privilege.' just as an aside though, I thought you had revolted to start a Republic?

Seems to me that you've done nothing more than copy and integrate the British system anyway...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:15 | 2160866 AnAnonymous
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Seems we've come full circle.


Coming full circle is what revolutionaries do, right.

And US citizens are revolutionaries.

FF were class warfare leaders, leading a middle class insurrection against upper class to rob them from their priviledges, deceiving the lower class with the prospect of rewards that would never come.

There was shit before the rise of US citizenism, and there is much more shit now thanks to US citizenism.

US citizens have this gift: now matter how bad the situation is, they can worsen it.

Live show in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Soon to come to Syria and Iran.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:21 | 2160671 xela2200
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"We will be better off breaking away in the next decade."

Who is we?  Middle aged white Male Protestants?

You know. It is to be expected when resources start to run out, infighting will be inevitable. When you fight for the last aspirin, skin color won't be the issue.

When the time comes, I want to belong to a cool group. No blacks because I think they will be hunting us down. They need some payback just like native Americans. I do want a Mexican. They can cross a desert and be ready for work the very next day. A Jew, so he can negotiate our food and, let's face it, they are good entertainment. A woman or two. Enough for the essentials, but not too many as to make the nagging unbearable. An Asian because you need somebody to intercede for you with the new overlords. You know the Indian is just going to tag along, and arguing with him is useless so I might as well let him in. An Italian because they can fight and know how to cook well. The Irish can fight too, but only when they are drunk so no Irish. No French that is on principle alone. Fuck them. Also, anybody named Sky, Eagle, Dawn or any other hippie name. I will not be in the mood to be dealing with a full of shit pot head, so that is a negative. Nobody wearing sheets on their heads, burning crosses or flags, carrying a bible the size of a phone book, lawyers or politicians regardless of race or national origin.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:28 | 2160712 blunderdog
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this is so funny I'm crying

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:11 | 2160769 TSA gropee
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Funny shit. +1

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:22 | 2160870 boiltherich
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Middle aged white male protestant breeders mind you.  Can't have no fairies in their slice of heaven.  But do take the lesbians, you never know when you might need to borrow their trucks for getting firewood or moving. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:30 | 2160877 AnAnonymous
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No blacks because I think they will be hunting us down. They need some payback just like native Americans.


Made me laugh. That is quite a delusion this US citizen tries to sell.

It is really thick. And one needs a superhuman throat to swallow this kind of stuff.

US citizens hate on being wrong. Can be understood if you fathom how much wrong they have been as US citizenism is nothing more than a ghost built on the bubble of nothing. And one of their ways to feel comfortable with being that wrong is to suppress that people who are right. Killing being the ultimate solution.

So what is going to happen?

In these days, with US citizens exhibiting everywhere their hatred their reign could decline, with them making preemptive moves (wars) everywhere possible, one has to wish it to believe the thick lie offered previously.

What is going to happen, according to US citizen eternal nature:

-negroes will be hunted down (see previously)
-any resistance attempt will be depicted as an aggression on Indo-European US citizens (bully dimension)
-sound decision not to associate with negroes because if you do, you will be treated as a negro yourself by Indo-european US citizens (see history and what happen to the Indians who adopted negroes in their tribe)

But hey, victimhood being high among US citizens, they have to picture themselves as the victims.

And as they have built a world of quasi certainty but want to keep stating that things are open, and therefore uncertain, US citizens sink into cheap propaganda or mere fantasy.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:05 | 2161557 xela2200
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It is really thick. And one needs a superhuman throat to swallow this kind of stuff.


FYI That is what your wife said last night.

Any cerebral prick that can't take a joke is off the list too.|..

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:44 | 2160652 ltsgt1
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If it's between Newt and Obama, I would hold my nose and vote for Newt. If it's between Romney and Obama, why would I vote for obama lite when I can vote for the real thing. The libs and the GOP establishment made their bed, I might as well help them dig their own graves.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:47 | 2160660 ultimate warrior
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They won't let Ron Paul win.  BREAKING NEWS

Reality Check: GOP scrambles under allegations of rampant voter fraud in Maine caucus

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:10 | 2160764 seek
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Iowa too.

But the Maine thing is crazy, with one of the cacus leaders calling in and reporting the numbers were wrong and them blowing him off until he said they'd done the count publically in front of the voters.

Oh, and Nevada where Paul's strongest showing happened to be the one place that was videotaping the vote count.

I think I'm seeing a pattern.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:56 | 2160553 Sam Clemons
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There is something interesting about their plans for 2012, and you may very well be right that it is just a waiting game until 2016.

Could they be smart enough to let Obama believe that the Republicans are throwing up Romney, Gingrich or Santorum only to surprise him at the end by nominating Paul and peak his popularity at the right time...closer to the election?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:19 | 2160605 economics1996
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Rand Paul?  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:36 | 2161096 kralizec
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I'd go for that, doesn't appear the crazy gene bit him.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:08 | 2160584 Vendetta
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I agree totally, why would the republicans want to 'be in charge' when the currency collapses along with everything else.  They want to point the finger at democrats and the democrats want to act like they are innocent and it is all of them who are to blame

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:18 | 2160603 economics1996
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Because they want to arrest the other guys, not have their guys be the outlaws.  The 2012 election is about who controls the military, not the economy, which will blow any month now.  Who gets thrown into the reeducation camps?  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:22 | 2161466 Toolshed
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What you say makes sense.........but, when was the last time politicians made any sense? I think they DO want to win. They are complete idiots after all. I mean, who in their right mind would have wanted to take over after Duhbya with the world in the midst of a major financial crisis. No one in their right mind obviously. So the candidates we got to choose from more resembled actors rejected from The Beverly Hillbillies TV show for being just too rediculous for viewers to watch than anything remotely resembling leaders. Jed Clampett for President!!!

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:49 | 2160527 CH1
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Most of the RP people will soon enough dump politics altogether. Blue Team, Red Team, whatever... it's all barbaric.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:00 | 2160570 DaveyJones
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beat me to it, these parties must go to prison 

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:52 | 2160538 tmosley
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If RP isn't the republican nomination, it's the libertarian party candidate.

Don't vote for your own destruction, which is EXACTLY what a vote for ANY establishment candidate is.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:05 | 2160580 kito
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gary johnson is the libertarian candidate. hes a great choice actually. he was known as Governor Veto in new mexico. wouldnt approve any budget that wasnt balanced.........................

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:21 | 2160611 economics1996
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Rand Paul needs to carry the flag.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:37 | 2161098 kralizec
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I think they want him to only carry a white flag...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:27 | 2161261 VelvetHog
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Johnson is on the record saying that the reason no Banksters are in jail is because they only made bad choices, but didn't do anything illegal. 

Business as usual.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:54 | 2160546 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I haven't voted the last two elections, and I don't plan on voting this one either, unless it is for Ron Paul.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:21 | 2160613 economics1996
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Its always amusing to see how few people vote Libertarian.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:58 | 2160563 gbresnahan
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I think Ron Paul should run 3rd party. That in itself is a middle finger to the GOP.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:02 | 2160568 HamyWanger
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Ron Paul in 3rd party wouldn't make more than 3%, which is his real base of support in the United States once the Republican primary hype disappears

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:25 | 2160621 UP Forester
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The hype for Romtorich?

Or the hype not heard for Paul?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:51 | 2160978 cossack55
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I believe it was 3% of the population that actually took up arms against the King in 1776.  Ironic?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:41 | 2161103 kralizec
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It would give the finger to the GOP, as well as the nation by sticking it with Obama again.  I guess Obama gets a free BJ though.  Oh well, its all moot, we're all going to hell in a hand-basket regardless of anything we think or do anyway...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:03 | 2160681 putaipan
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this is either important or it's not (important enough for me to finally

login)... ron paul supprters/right thinking americans better have a back

up plan to keep the momentum...and it is 'i'-putaipan to present one-

ROCKY ANDERSON FOR PRESIDENT ! no justice party, no peace.

what'do we want??!... prosicutions! ...when do we want 'em?!

please pass it on. between occupy, ron paul folks etc. this can work.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:06 | 2160688 ChrisFromMorningside
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If Ron Paul is not the GOP nominee and he doesn't run as an independent or third-party candidate, I will probably cast my vote for Gary Johnson, Libertarian Party nominee. He's not perfect and he's definitely not Ron Paul but I'd rather cast a protest vote than vote for either of two duopoly party morons. And, yes, I'm aware that putting any faith whatsoever in our electoral system is extremely naive. To me, it's more about leaving a testament to future generations that says "Not all of us were greedy, amoral sociopaths. Some of us (however tiny a minority we are/were) were capable of independent thinking and didn't allow our vitality to be sapped by the consumerist, financialized Great Ponzi Scheme. Learn from us."

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:24 | 2161251 VelvetHog
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Johnson is on the record saying that the reason no Banksters are in jail is because they only made bad choices, but didn't do anything illegal. 

Business as usual.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:34 | 2160790 Hugh G Rection
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Our brave Israeli Defense Forces know the cost of war! They have sacrificed soo much!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 03:51 | 2160849 Triple A
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You can kill from so far away,
Analyse, edit and display
You images of death with a spin, and decay
My hopes for a better day.

I can see you're in control,
Abusing what you hold.
Authority is bought and sold,
Suffocate the truth, we breathe the lies you've told.

So you send the kids off to war, (Not yours)
Once again the rich kill the poor.
Don't wanna kill (Kill!), fight (Fight!),
Or die for you.
Safe inside your big glass towers,
Sending kids out to be devoured.
Don't wanna kill (Kill!), fight (Fight!),
Or die for your war machine.



Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:21 | 2161068 Burticus
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TPTB have accomplished their mission if the 35%(?) of the population not registered as 'con or 'rat party have been brainwashed into believing that they have no choice other than voting for the anointed elephant or jackass sock puppets.

My philosophy is to vote in every race, as possible, (1) third party or NPA, (2) against all incumbents, (3) skip voting in the race.

It should be obvious that the 'con party leadership is perfectly comfortable with the Kenyan Usurper.  What's there not to like?  Huge annual deficits, exponentially increasing debt, money printing for bankster handouts, eternal undeclared wars, military bases and meddling in 150 countries, evolving totalitarian surveillance police state, omnipotent gubmint with no limitations on their power, etc.  That's why they want to nominate another paid loser McSame, with the objective of a repeat of 2008.  Ron Paul would shut down their power/money rackets, so must be squashed like a bug.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:21 | 2161069 battle axe
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Jesus, those graphics are just  tragic....

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:04 | 2161406 jayman21
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I just read some of the comments attached to this graphic on the other website.  If you have been a ZHer for awhile, you will realize what a gift the ZH website/comments are to the 12% who actually have a critical thought process.  The last Ron Paul Poll I saw, had him at 12%, so I will just extrapolate against my better judgement.  I hope the rest of the people wake up sometime this year, but I do not have much faith after reading the comments.  Yahoo is not much better, but then again, I go there for entertainment, not to be challenged.


I wonder with amazement....How does it not bother most people that they are being stolen from.  The Fed - devalues the dollar and if you have savings it is worth less.  Capital gain bought something 10 years ago for $100,000 and now you sell it for $200,000.  You made $100,000 and you are taxed on $100,000.  If you know the rule of 7, you broke even and paid the government principal not a capital gain if you adjust for inflation.  F%$# you Buffet for the new capital gain tax ideas you dirty silver manipulating a&^hole.  Have you not messed with the rest of us enough?  I know, you will get away with it.  Just read the darn comments on the other websites.


My question to fellow ZHers?  What is it going to take to wake everyone up?  Any historical event that can give us some guidance?  Or, it just does not happen and we have these ups and downs due to the fluctuation of the 12%.  I was not a member of the 12% until sometime in 2008.  It took a punch in the stomach after reading conquer the crash and the black swan.  Yes, I do believe the 12% move up and down.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 03:09 | 2165091 malek
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And what exactly should keep me from writing in Ron Paul's name myself? (Plus any VP that comes to my mind.)

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:39 | 2160498 kito
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well, it a good thing all of that sacrifice was for "freedom and democracy" around the world..............

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:42 | 2160507 HungrySeagull
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Hate to see the WW2 version adjusted for time difference.

Tree of Liberty needs watering with blood of Patriots.

Our Military volunteers everything, anything and sometimes requires life to be lost so that others may live.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:34 | 2160714 cranky-old-geezer
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Our Military volunteers everything, anything and sometimes requires life to be lost so that others may live.

That may have been true in WWII, but every "war" since then has been about containing / controlling fake enemies, not real enemies, the present "war on terror" being the best example.

On top of that, most of American's military imperialism these days is about forcing oil exporting nations to price their oil in US dollars, and Iran would be the next petrodollar war.

So no, it's no longer about freedom and liberty, and soldiers aren't dying so others may live in a free society.

On top of that, most people in the military these days are there as a job / career choice, not to defend freedom and liberty, which is rapidly eroding here in America while they're in some other nation protecting the petrodollar (and other banker interests).

...which makes them mercenaries in every sense of the word.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:30 | 2160963 Optimusprime
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It wasn't even true for WWII.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:27 | 2161083 spankfish
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Cranky, I live near the logic free zone.  In my spare time I do research for several people at the National Archives in Prince Georges County.  The reasearch is all WW II, mainly Uboot, and what the Reich was doing in Latin America.  Let me just say this, none of us know anything about WW II unless you spend time in the archives reading.  My research just on the above listed subjects gives new credence to the book "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong".  I won't go into detail, but when I tell people of my findings they first deny and tell me I'm a nut job... then I show them the copies and scans with the National Archive seal.  then I get a WTF look of amazement.  

Oh, and I spend time talking to WW II vets... first person history is chilling.  My uncle, god rest his soul, was D-day +2.  He did not talk much about the war.  Most I got from my dad.  WW II is not what we think.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:45 | 2161591 moondog
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Don't be a such a tease. Share with us some of the more shocking details. History is much more interesting than corporate media BS.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:34 | 2160715 DoChenRollingBearing
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You got my + 1, HS.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:44 | 2160509 lolmao500
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Sorry but that's not the true cost of war.

The true cost of war is uncalculable in human lives, sadness, mental health, DU rising cancer rates by thousands of percents... it touches tens of millions and will continue to do so for million of years (DU).

The scum starting these wars should be the ones having their limbs cut off and the ones breathing DU and the ones going bankrupt and the ones seeing the people they love blown apart.

Whoever starts a war DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WAR IS.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:53 | 2160539 LetThemEatRand
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They know, but they just don't care.  Your life and health and well being is not relevant to them.   They do not have empathy and they consider those who do to be weak.  If they can make five bucks cutting off your arm and then throwing you in a for-profit prison for bleeding on the sidewalk, they will do so and sleep soundly at night.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:28 | 2160626 economics1996
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When the economy is totally fucked war is how the elites drain the last bit of wealth owned by the peasants and transfer that wealth into the hands of government and the elites.  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:43 | 2160650 LetThemEatRand
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When the economy is totally fucked war is how it became totally fucked and the peasants get to fight it for the elites.  The government is co-opted by the elites, and then complete clowns like you advocate for the elimination of government so as to cut out the middle man.  Ask history how many pure free market economies existed versus how many Kingdoms, Fiefdoms, Dictatorships, etc existed since the dawn of civilization.  We The People can do better than your vision of a white boxer kicking everyone's ass.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:56 | 2160674 economics1996
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USA 1791-1935.  Hong Kong 1946-97.  Capitalist, free, limited government examples.  Capitalism produces wealth.  Government steals wealth.  Government produces nothing.  Just a fact of life.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:08 | 2160682 LetThemEatRand
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"Government produces nothing.  Just a fact of life."

Roads (e.g., the interstate highway system, great for commerce);

Schools (literate people, great for a productive work force);

Nuclear Power (Manhattan project -  ask GE and many other private companies how much money they made off this shit that was realized through public dollars);

Rockets (space program, man on the moon, Tang, etc);

The Internet (which was not invented by Gore, but which was invented and created and made possible in public universities);

Every cool weapons system (ever see Top Gun?) that you think makes your penis larger and which was funded by public money....

I could go on.   But go to the next Sarah Palin party and she'll reassure you that you are right despite all facts to the contrary.




Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:39 | 2160721 Oracle of Kypseli
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They do it all with American taxpayer money and not efficiently, I may add. No altruism in any government actions.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:53 | 2160740 LetThemEatRand
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Seriously?  We've gone from "government does nothing" to "government is productive but inefficient" in two fucking blog entries?

You people are pathetic.  Really.  Tell me about the efficient private interstate highway system.

Tell me about the efficient private funder of fucking aircraft carriers that you fucks love so much.

Tell me about the efficient private funder of the space program.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:46 | 2160801 Max Fischer
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Arguing with goofball right-wingers is endlessly entertaining, isn't it?  

Especially when you find some whacked-out libertarians or Tea Party super-freaks...  the Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Ron/Rand Paul, Glenn Beck crowd.   It's like a study in strangeness, delusion and eccentrics.  

Max Fischer


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:53 | 2160986 Colonel
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Its amusing watching left-wingers always banding together as their gooberment fiat war-mongering Tower of Babel collapses. Just keep rocking back and forth and telling yourself "Obama will fix everything".

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:02 | 2160984 Colonel
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"You people are pathetic.  Really.  Tell me about the efficient private interstate highway system.

Tell me about the efficient private funder of fucking aircraft carriers that you fucks love so much.

Tell me about the efficient private funder of the space program."


 What is that leftist parody? You don't know where the gooberment gets its money??!! Do you think it comes from the fed? I'll tell you about the private funder of those gooberment programs its the citizens/private sector funding ALL of that shit with their taxes ya lefty goofball.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:14 | 2161206 Colonel
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Oh yeah and don't forget that "efficient" post office gooberment worshipper.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:18 | 2160774 LetThemEatRand
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Do you agree or disagree that those who wish to be non fucking Orwell good citizens should be locked up in privately run prisons that benefit the oligarchs?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 06:39 | 2160969 Acet
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One of the reasons Government exists and regulates is to avoid "Tragedy of the Commons" situations (look it up and read about it, it's part of game theory).

In any situation where there are shared resources (for example, fisheries), where the negative externalities (for example, polution) of a money making activity are not incurred by those making the money or there is a natural monopoly (for example, water supply), the "hand of the market" does not work - as each and all market actors egoistically tries to maximize personal outcomes, together they end up exhausting the shared resource, creating unsustainable amounts of the negative externality or squeezing their monopoly customers to the maximum.

While a case can be made for less government or for government to stop interfering in certain areas, the case for zero government is irrational, idealistic mumbu-jumbo and shows a lack of critical thought.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:58 | 2160982 Colonel
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Public schools = literate people?! Now that's funny.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:48 | 2161124 weinerdog43
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Back to kiddieland homo schooler.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:18 | 2161134 Colonel
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A commie asswipe who doesn't like homeschooling go figure. But then again how could you clowns brainwash the next generation without your government skrools.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:55 | 2161374 Calmyourself
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Rand, we are all still trying to figure out at what $ level .gov steals family wealth you were going to let us know at what point that occurs.  Oh and which union represents your workers and  yeah Government produces nothing it takes productive resources from one group uses them very inefficiently and spits out a public good.  Statist tool..

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:36 | 2160718 blunderdog
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Come on, already.  "Government" is just another corporation.  IN PRINCIPLE it's a corporation that shifts allocation of resources based on the public interest, which is supposed to be represented by the politicians chosen for the jobs.

It's nothing special.  Sometimes it does some good by shifting tax dollars into development that pays off for everyone.  The phone system made so much possible in the USA, and it was a publicly-funded private industry.  Anyone making the claim that government can't accomplish anything is in at least *some* state of abject denial of history.

None of this is to say that passing laws is the best way to accomplish anything.  As far as I can tell, the only valid reason you have to pass a law is that more than 99% of the people REALLY DEEPLY agree with it in principle.

At that point, there's no reason to pass a law.  Everyone already agrees.  Just do the right thing every time you have the opportunity, and something like PARADISE can dawn here.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:37 | 2160884 AnAnonymous
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USA 1791-1935. Hong Kong 1946-97. Capitalist, free, limited government examples. Capitalism produces wealth. Government steals wealth. Government produces nothing. Just a fact of life.

Made me laugh.

So funny. So USA 1791 to 1935 was capitalist, free,limited government.

Good. Since the land transfer from Indians ended in 1898, it means that the biggest land grabbing in human history is on the benefit of capitalist, free,limited government.


Dont look deeper. The government is not the responsible. SImply the conditions to sustain that type of capitalist, free, limited governments have simply vanished.

Too many US citizens, not enough Indians.

So what? Another fine specimen of US citizen who displays the core proof that US citizens do not disagree with tyranny, they disagree with being tyrannized.

The current flavour of government is only bad because, hey, with the shortage of Indians, somebody has to sacrifice and play the part. And that can only be some US citizens as the other options have vanished or are already allocated.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:54 | 2160542 honestann
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Sadly, those who start wars know exactly what war is.  However, they are all predators to their very core, and pain, agony, death and destruction make them happy and feel alive and prosperous... by contrast to the millions they have killed, destroyed and impoverished.

PS:  If those who start war didn't understand what war is... you'd find them volunteering for front line duty.  You don't.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:24 | 2160617 Marley
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Funny, I always thought it was because they have little dicks.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:02 | 2160753 Desert Irish
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There's an old saying if you don't want war elect a former serving general......Eisenhower was the last. All others were wannabee's

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:48 | 2160511 LetThemEatRand
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All of that money went out of the pockets of the middle class (in the form of IOUs which we call the federal deficit) and into the pockets of the MIC (in the form of cold, hard cash minted by private banks and then called a debt owned by the U.S. taxpayer, repayable at interest).  All of the lives are a cost of doing business.   

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:54 | 2160547 francis_sawyer
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so that the elite of the MIC could do some blow and engage in midget tranny porn...

Oh yeah & a few bucks went to have better humvee & body armor... sorry about the occasional mishaps...

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:50 | 2160515 HamyWanger
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Well, you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs

If paying a bit more taxes every year means sleeping better at night, knowing that me and my family are secure and sheltered from islamic and right-wing terrorism, then so be it. Filling your IRS form is a pain in the ass for everyone but once it's done and posted you feel proud to serve your country and help our Boys. 


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:46 | 2160656 ZeroChance
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What a fucking idiot.  You don't even get a /sarcasm excuse for that bullshit that came out of your fingers.  And, if it wasn't meant to be sarcasm, you and your family don't need shelter, you're already getting mind-raped by these imaginary "islamic" and "right-wing" terrorists.  Enjoy.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 01:03 | 2160683 captain_menace
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Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:06 | 2160757 ruffles
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I know you are a troll,

But still I will say, for the human beings slayed for your omelet,

Fuck you.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:51 | 2160534 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The war machine wouldn't function to this extent without the fiat dollar.

Kill the dollar.

Buy silver

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:18 | 2160959 falak pema
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The Global MIC complex, arms trade and war mongering,  is based on : "petrodollar" hegemony. Since 1971/1973. Fixed it.

Everything fits in when Pax Americana made petrodollar its blood line and MIC aligned itself to it, disengaging from sterile Vietnam, ping ponging in Pekin, opening up the Great Offshoring trail to "win back Chindia"; and securitising the OIL PATCH, prime source of cheap economic growth for Atlantic first world. Kissinger's Metternichian legacy to Pax Americana-NWO, recalibrated again by FIRE economy Thatcher-Reagan Big Bang in the 80s. 


Collateral damage for this game changer is :  First world sheeple must slim down FAST, and they lose the privileges to democracy and republican trappings; "free will of people"  of nation state legacy the "Welfare state consumer Age" construct of FDR bequeathed to the world at Bretton Woods to a broken industrial and burgeoning post colonial third world. 

We are now in a global Oligarchy construct. All money is offshore, in the hand of new feudals, the Multinationals and the Bankster cabal, and it goes where it goes to create profits for the international 1% and damn the fat and frivolous 99% who will have to learn about pain and shame as Athens today and MAdrid tomorrow...etc. etc. etc. 

25 T of privatised profit and 25 T of socialised nation state debts. Perfect balancing act and growing bigger every month. The first world pension funds the only assets left to sheeple as their wages, present and future, are already hocked -at vitam aeternam- to pay nation state's debts and social costs of unemployed!

Brave New World!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:55 | 2161001 GeneMarchbanks
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Don't know if you're a French speaker but are you familiar with Yves Bataille?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:23 | 2161199 falak pema
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I am. I don't know him but I've just read his bio and ideas on the NET. Quite a geopolitical ideologue with a penchant for going beyond de Gaulle's 'Atlantic to Urals'. He wants to unite Euroasia all the way to the Pacific!

I find that too grandiose to be a realistic scheme. China will never be a bride to any such marriage, and the Europeans are very attached to their heritage. We can see that today! Its palpable. 

No, my take is that first world is now in a spiral of moral decadence due to past hubris. Its dangerous times in Europe (as in USA), as this economic decline will induce a political decline, (as Marx correctly said : in industrial world, the economy is society's arrow); if the moral fabric of our body politic is attained in a crisis of moral values, then we could lose all; fall into total despotism and regression, like in the 1930s!

You can see the signs of ethnic crispation and national identity reactionist propoganda all over Europe. I do believe we should move towards more trade and integration between regions, but not based on a top down political construct, more by a bottom up trade and cultural process built by individual migrations and networking, aka organic cross fertilisation, which is currently in progress worldwide; as long as we DONT have artificial, Oligarchy fabricated, narrow sectorially propagated, politico-economico-social crises, like today!

The USA, as world hegemony, is no longer the beacon of progress; more the spur of Oligarchical regression, in a world feudal order structure. Its suicidal, as no feudal order can survive without a local cultural base that believes in its cause. It cannot sit in the Caymans and rule 6 billion people like from Mount Olympus. Nobody will buy that in this day and age.

Yves Battaille's solution, from what litte I see, is not IMO politically realistic; however much our critcism of Pax Americana may look convergent. I do not see his take on Serbian nationalism as the way to the future. Nation states have to dilute their ideological soup and recognise INDIVIDUAL personalities and cultural profiles as a benchmark in a fast moving/changing world. We are all now "cultural bastards" or multi cultural (either by marriage or by work/travel profile). 'What unites people is greater than what divides them', stays universal rule; not to be torn asunder by cultural fiction of "nation state" artificial divides imposed often by a culturally stilted elite. 

World leadership does entail the obligation to be an example to justify title of primus-inter-pares, as the UN charter entails for shared world governance on all universal issues. The USA had it under FDR-Eisenhower/JFK, started losing it in Vietnam and have totally lost it under GWB and successors. The lessons of Cuban crisis are now being lost as the nuclear dissemination is now openly on the table and TPTB don't do anything about it in this race to bottom.

Sorry for being soooo long winded, but its Yves Bataille's fault! (or my understanding of it).

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:46 | 2161120 Colonel
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Exactly as libertarians have pointed out fiat money is intimately connected to war mongering and the sound money that a gold and silver standard would supply would mitigate against war as you couldn't inflate away its cost so easy.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2160549 Peter Pan
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If you want to eliminate the cost to almost zero, just make it compulsory for the children and grandchildren of congressmen and congresswomen to serve in the front line of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 07:48 | 2161010 spankfish
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That won't happen... the rug rats of the congress critters are to busy working for GS and JP.  Sorry to be the one to tell you.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:56 | 2160558 Tompooz
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The greatest cost of war is the loss of humanity; the greatest collateral damage is the loss of freedom.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:40 | 2160885 AnAnonymous
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Humanity is not lost in this kind of wars performed through US citizenism.

US citizenism is just one expression of human nature.

War shows US citizens for what they are.

Not much body count performed on the aggressed nations.

The only casualties reported are US and UK US citizens.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 23:57 | 2160560 ACP
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It's like Age of Empires, but with a "PRINT UNLIMITED MONEY" cheat code.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 09:57 | 2161382 Obadiah
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Just type "coinage" in the chat box and yur good to go.  The ONLY way to beat those bastards!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 00:03 | 2160576 monopoly
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Right. If we did not spend a trillion or two on war, death and destruction, I just know all those terrorists including the "Tele Bon" would be chartering 747s from Virgin Airlines and flying into NY on a daily basis to wipe us out. I sure feel safer knowing that as long as we keep killing Americans and those from other nations we will be safe.

What a crock of shit. War is fucking useless and does nothing but Kill! And it changes nothing, nothing. Just check out Iraq.

"Help our boy"s. Yeah, agree, bring everyone of them home from every damn foreign country. Take care of US!


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