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Inital Claims Soar Again, Ninth Consecutive Miss To Expectations In A Row: BLS Back To Propaganda School

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There are those who thought last week's massive Initial claims miss was the last one. They were wrong. Instead of printing at the expected 370K, an improvement from last week's already big miss of 380K, this week came at a whopping 386K, the worst standalone print in 4 months. Well, until last week's revision that is: instead of the 380K print that stunned everyone, last week's number has now been revised to a massive 388K. Why? So that mainstream media can declare, with a straight face, that this week saw the number of initial claims decline! Here is the reality: last week's expectation was for a print of 355K. Instead we got a number of 380K. Now this number is being revised to 388K, and is the biggest initial expectation to revision miss since early 2011. Needless to say, this means two things: 1) the transitory bump associated with record warm weather, which was nothing but pulling from the future, is now over, and 2) the April NFP print will be another disaster, which is just as the Fed wants it -  after all it is time to start setting the stage for the NEW QE (and certainly not QE3 which is already in place as Jeff Gundlach was so kind to explain) now that Obama is the margin hiker in chief.

The chart below shows the difference between the actual print (revised) and the expectation survey: 9 straight misses in a row.

For those not on the propaganda hopium dole, this is how YTD revisions look like, courtesy of John Lohman:


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Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:47 | 2357760 GetZeeGold
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Missed it by jissssst that much!


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:46 | 2357767 GetZeeGold
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Hey....don't junk me....I was really rooting for success.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:00 | 2357832 Badabing
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Someone’s having a pissy fit today with the down arrows.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:06 | 2357850 GetZeeGold
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Hysterical temper into this paper bag.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:18 | 2358382 ElvisDog
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I junked you because you care about being junked. Embrace the fact that not everyone is going to like you.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:07 | 2357857 spastic_colon
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obummer hired troll

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:24 | 2357945 Problem Is
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Obama Bin Lyin' hired a troll????

You mean Valerie "Bitch-O-Matic" Jarrett?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:33 | 2357988 GetZeeGold
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Pair that with a Bass-O-Matic and you've got a wicked combo there.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:33 | 2358195 FMR Bankster
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Let's see now. We're getting more unemployed who will require unemployment benefits. (Good for Obama) And Obama is implementing his new system of paying unemployment benefits to people working. (see Drudge, good for Obama)I'm not working and not collecting benefits, can somebody call the White House and get a check for me. (I'd do it but I'm too lazy)Better yet I'll sell my vote, somebody have his campaign give me a call.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:19 | 2358383 Madrid2020
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It's probably Diane Sawyer. ABC News reported last month the BLS "improvement of 2k!" yes, 2k! The MSM never reports a revised down figure during an Obama election year.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:44 | 2358454 mendigo
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Brusca takes pride in the quality of those bls numbers - they have been subjected to extensive analysis by really smart and hard working people in working for your government. You could not possibly hope to understand the complexity of this analysis becaue 1) you are not an econartist an 2) you are not Bob Brusca! So stfu and bask in the warmth of bobs care (what smells like piss?)

I suspect that is not even your real name Mr "Colon".

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:10 | 2357866 Stoploss
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A cock and balls pair from SA.

They will be punished...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:41 | 2358012 tmosley
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I don't understand where all these red arrows are coming from.  This is a Get Smart reference, and is pretty funny.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:59 | 2358072 LowProfile
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...Maybe Bobby Brusca created a few more accounts?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:45 | 2358484 mendigo
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ZH has been hacked!

Quick, hide the gold.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:45 | 2357761 Boilermaker
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Futures refuse to fall and trampoline off of the zero line over and over.  Very strange.

CNBC:  It's dissapointing

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2357775 GeneMarchbanks
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Strange indeed, is it possible these things aren't correlated at all?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2357782 EscapeKey
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Of course not. The numbers were great!

And our chocolate rations have been increased to 25gr per week.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:04 | 2357852 jus_lite_reading
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The bullshit we see increasing everyday reminds me of the propaganda the former USSR attempted to use shortly before their demise... the leaders then sensed the end was near and the same is true today.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:06 | 2358091 LowProfile
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Do you recall offhand how long did it dragged on after said propaganda started?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:16 | 2358131 jus_lite_reading
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The USSR always employed propaganda tactics to keep their machine going. That said... from eyewitness accounts the heat was turned to 11 in the autumn of 1985.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:18 | 2358355 LowProfile
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TY sir.

Just took a look at a timeline for the fall of the USSR, and it looks like it was all over by 1993.  So figure Eight years once the serious BS started.

Best as I can tell, our BS getting turned up to 11 started in '05-06 with the housing bubble touting. So your 24 month prediction seems pretty accurate to me.

Gonna plan for longer than that though...  Just in case...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 12:44 | 2358686 Temporalist
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What if you counted 9-11-2001 as the starting point or using lies to go to war in Iraq as the starting point?  Then it's long overdue.

I don't think you can use numbers as a mirror like that because USSR was extremely poor and had terrible political make-up with rampant fraud (the US may be closer to that now but not the same as the USSR), poor investment (and no retail investors) and horrendous infrastructure as well as a small middle class while the U.S. has the opposite.

Oppulence, they (US) has it.  The Soviet space program was still using 1960s technology until 10-20 years ago just as a point of reference.

The point being is the US will have perhaps twice the duration or more who knows.  So with that there will be another 5 years...

Or the Mayans had it right and Kukulcan is on his way before 2012 is up.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 13:49 | 2358718 LowProfile
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OK, let's say the propaganda JUST NOW got turned up to 11 (because things are starting to get really bad), and the USSA empire has a ways to slide before it collapses.

I'd guess two years on the inside, six on the outside.  Better to plan for six, because if it goes much beyond that, it's the same plan anyway...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:46 | 2357762 the not so migh...
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Easter bunny lays stinky egg.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:53 | 2357798 HD
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A diet consisting entirely of cheap waxy chocolate a yellow marshmallow peeps will do that...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:45 | 2357763 101 years and c...
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386k official, plus 8-10k adjustment and we're so close to 400K.

bullish because its so bad, right?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:08 | 2357860 GetZeeGold
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You got it......down is up....bad is good.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2357764 DormRoom
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It'll likely get worse.. subprime student loan graduates are entering the labor force only to be slapped with 25% youth unemployment. 


student channel stuffing are clearing.  Lots of jobless youth to add to the BLS stats starting this month.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:53 | 2357794 CoolBeans
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The BS, uh, I mean BLS won't pick up those students since I believe you have to have been employed at a point in order to make the "unemployed" report.  So, they will make the unpublished list ...the one that reflects the massive amount of unemployed persons that BLS ignores.  By the way, I wasn't the one who  junked you...your point is well taken so what dope junked you?!

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:22 | 2358398 ElvisDog
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Yep, if I understand the BLS methodology correctly, you have to be receiving unemployment benefits and actively looking for work to be counted as unemployed. The unemployed graduates will either be counted as "discouraged workers" or "not in the workforce", i.e. they have decided to retire directly after graduation.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:58 | 2357831 sessinpo
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DormRoom                 2357764

It'll likely get worse.. subprime student loan graduates are entering the labor force only to be slapped with 25% youth unemployment.



I hear the secret service is hiring. But you have to keep you pants zipped up as well as your lips.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:51 | 2357769 mickd
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I just love that Zerohedge beats the MSM on this report. MSM is reporting pre-market is still up.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:27 | 2358411 Madrid2020
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Diane Sawyer will "fix"it  tonight!

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2357771 BeetleBailey
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Bob Ueker-ish; "Juuuuuust.....a bit outside", according to the Lame Streamers

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:55 | 2357810 HD
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Streaks on the china,
never mattered before,
who cares.

When you dropped kicked your jacket
As you came through the door,
No one glared.

But sometimes things get turned around
And no one’s spared.

All hands look out below T
here’s a change in the status quo.
Gonna need all the help that we can get.

According to our new arrival
Life is more than mere survival
We just might live the good life yet.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2357772 spastic_colon
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....and today will be a 100+ point green day

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:48 | 2357774 Chain Gun Smoke
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Last night before taking my wife out to eat we stopped at this DSW Shoe Warehouse so she could pick up a new pair. While at check-out a guy with maybe 2 pairs of everyday type shoes sprints out the door to the parking lot, setting off the alarm. It's the first I've seen a small crime like that. If jobs don't pick up I'm sure I'll see it again.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:04 | 2357851 Dukepinewood69
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odd you said something like that,I walk the dog a few miles every night from about 10p to midnight,whenever I get around to it.Anyway,I was walking down the street in my somewhat nice middle-class neighborhood when from behind me I heard the sound of a large diseal engine.Being so late I thought it odd,it was a wrecker,at first I thought why is someone calling a wrecker at 11p at night? Then I realized that it wasnt for car repair they were repo men.A few minutes later I saw them come out on to the main drag ,pull over,jump out and hook the car up to the lights and whatever they have to do.I ,like you,wonder if I will see more of this on my late night walks.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:23 | 2357922 XitSam
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It will be interesting if we start seeing car fires set by owners for insurance money as was done in Iceland.

Gun Smoke: Gotta have good shoes when he makes snatch and grab beer runs from 7-11.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:48 | 2357776 Badabing
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Oops just dropped a big bowl of numbers ill just organize them however.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:50 | 2357777 GeneMarchbanks
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Brusca have a Fresca...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:48 | 2357778 lizzy36
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How is 2012, NOT just a 2011 redux?

Also managing expectations is the only thing that matters relative to actual numbers.

So change expectations and problem solved.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:55 | 2357807 RunningMan
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Agree that after the 'economics' (i.e. printing), all that's left is 'psychology' - i.e. managing expectations and messaging is what matters. But is it getting through to anyone? Not to most people that see past the B(L)S.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:04 | 2357780 Mercury
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Here is the reality: last week's expectation was for a print of 355K. Instead we got a number of 380K. Now this number is being revised to 388K, and is the biggest initial expectation to revision miss since early 2011.

Indeed, and even if these always-upward revisions are part of the "normal" data collection process (as posited here a couple days ago), the MSM spin always focuses on the previous, revised higher number vs. the latest, yet to be revised number.

Update: and here it is:

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:50 | 2357781 Seorse Gorog fr...
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It's 'BLS' pronounced as 'balls'

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:36 | 2357995 Problem Is
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How could any one go minus on that one?

Tyler... post a list of all the commenters who used the minus on this post...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2357783 realtick
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The charts don't lie - Initial Claims are going much higher from here:


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:50 | 2357788 RunningMan
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Liquidity trap. Money printing to paper over losses, but those with cash hoarding it (both companies and individuals). Resulting inflation is killing lower/mid income. The worse it gets, the harder the CBs try and those with money only hoard more tightly. That's why the NFP numbers suck. Why hire when tomorrow is end of days? Only legit policy tool left is propaganda to make things seem better and hope people spend. After that is confiscation or revolution.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 08:52 | 2357793 GolfHatesMe
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Tyler,I think you could just print the numbers for the rest of the year.  As you keep saying, carbon copy of last year on just about everything. 

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:02 | 2357845 jplotinus
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At what point will it dawn on ZHers that capitalism, contrary to the learned mantra, does NOT create jobs? When will the "misses" and the "manipulation of data" be properly sourced to their cause (hint: capitalism)?

FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights, circa 1944, called for guaranteed jobs. It is high time to implement that idea.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:05 | 2357854 Mercury
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Ah yes, the free lunch. 
Always appealing, isn't it?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:17 | 2357906 IAmNotMark
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Where is this 'capitalism' that you speak of?  I live in a socialist command economy paradise, ruled by wise and knowledgable leaders.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:20 | 2357918 WonderDawg
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Capitalism? Where? Definitely not here in the US. What we have is a sort of hybrid corporatism/fascism that they've tried to disguise as capitalism. In capitalism, failure is part of the process. If we had capitalism, BAC, C, WF and a few other large financial institutions would no longer exist.

No, capitalism and free markets are an illusion. Kind of like our "two party" political system.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:28 | 2357959 XitSam
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Ha ha, trolls are so cute when they're young.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:30 | 2358181 Monedas
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What sleeper time warp hole did you crawl out of ?   Monedas  2012   Comedy Jihad Socialist Sleeper Cells

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:09 | 2357868 overmedicatedun...
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how did that guy get in here, guaranteed jobs huh? go make something people want or need then you got a job.

in prison everybody gets a job that model must work for you. I think this guy could land a seat on MSNBC may replace liesman.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:39 | 2358221 Nobody For President
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I belileve the reference was to the "The Employment Act of 1946"

"it mandated that the federal government do everything in its authority to achieve full employment, which was established as a right guaranteed to the American people."


It is still the law...


I always thought, as part of the 'pursuit of happiness' business our gubermint is supposed to be supporting, we should have a 'full unemployement act' - with robots doing all the work -looks like we are getting there, just not how I had imagined it as a kid.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:12 | 2357874 Ted Baker
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Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:14 | 2357883 CryingBear
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why is the symbol AAPL red again?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:16 | 2357900 ejmoosa
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That might have been the shortest discussion ever on unemployment numbers on CNBC.  When the April NFP # prints below 50k, at least we will know we are going to get a change in the White House.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:25 | 2357940 IAmNotMark
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Silly Moose!

The election won't depend on unemployment, or the economy, or the destruction of our country...

It will depend on if voters think eating dog as a child is worse than strapping a dog to the roof of the car as an adult.  There will be the whole campaign, each lying scumbag spending a billion $ saying:  Vote for me!  The other guy's a dog eater.  Versus Vote for me!  The other guy's a dog strapper.   I'm so excited.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:24 | 2357943 Village Smithy
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I'm pleased with last weeks' revision, I thought it may have hit the 400 level. I guess that's next weeks'.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:32 | 2357969 Problem Is
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Obama Bin Lyin' on the Campaign Trail:

Teleprompter: "Barry, say This week we saved eight thousand jobs!"

Barry Soetoro: "This week we saved eight thousand jobs!"

The Teleprompter aka The Useful Idiot Barry Soetoro is of course referring to the week it took B(L)S to revise initial claims up from 380k to 388k...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:38 | 2358001 GetZeeGold
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Created OR saved.......a LOT.


Lost OR destroyed.....a SH!TLOAD.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:30 | 2357971 Snakeeyes
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My favorite was Moody's Analytics comments on the report: "We need more job growth!" Thanks Mr. Obvious!


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:30 | 2357975 fuu
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I see Robert Brusca has his students at the junior college hitting the down arrows today.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:38 | 2358009 jus_lite_reading
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Funny how there are so many thumbs down today? Huh? Propaganda machine in full force?

Tyler should track the individuals who "thumb down" these posts because they probably all end up tracking back to DC or VA

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:15 | 2358133 slewie the pi-rat
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maybe we should be nicer to the spookery trolls bilary sends from foggyBottom;  they don't even write much, any more, most of them

can't storm the fort;  better try to undermine the foundations?

propwashSchool is tough right now;  i tried to get a refresher course in b/c i felt some of the stuff i was making up was ineffective, but i had to take a number just to apply for an application to apply...

if you don't know somebody it's hard to get in and get the loans started...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:27 | 2358413 fuu
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I think they are still here. They write as "contributors" now. Rubber Balls' writing sure sounds familiar.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:11 | 2358349 dataanalytics
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Oh yea...Brusca and Lee are sharing a box of Kleenexes today.

Wait, no, probably not. They are concocting ways and pages of rhetoric
to be able to distort the facts! Pathological liars to the end!

Where's Ilene????

"Come on Ilene..."
Poor old Johnny Brusca...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:32 | 2357977 gibons
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haha bloomberg tried to put the blame on seasonality of this week - even though the same excuse was used last week in multiple articles. Gold finally responded, but I doubt if this spike is enough to break a downward trend. US stocks remarkably strong in this environment, would be a great sign if I was long - but I'm not

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 09:35 | 2357997 yogibear
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Bernanke and the Federal Reserve just keep devaluing the US dollar and squeezing most people through price inflation.

Brilliant plan by the bone head economist from Princeton. You'll have Wall Street and the 1% cooing on QE to infinity but it just makes a bigger bubble to burst on a year or 2.

When this Fed's bubble burst it will be historic. Far more severe than in 2008.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:08 | 2358014 rwe2late
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 The weekly preliminary initial claims report is ALWAYS revised upward

because it is based on PRELIMINARY reports from the local offices, and they cannot avoid having some pending  unreported claims being processed.

As long as the final number reported remains about level, or even rising slightly,

the preliminary can be compared to the prior week's final, and advertised as "falling" each week.


week 1 -  prelim 347k , later revised to 355k

week 2 - prelim 349k ( a "drop" of 6k!) later revised to 357k

week 3 - prelim 351k (another "drop" of 6k!) later revised to 359k

and so on ...

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:27 | 2358176 rwe2late
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red flagged for pointing out some of the mechanics behind the BLS numbers game ! ?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:47 | 2358264 Nobody For President
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There appear to be some seriously math challenged folks on board ZH this morning...

Or maybe facts - as in the many months of truth about the Bureau of Lying Statistics - is a bit too much to handle. It IS weird, though. I mean, that is a short, clear explanation of exactly what has been going on every single damn week this year (last year too).

Get a grip folks - facts is facts.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:09 | 2358102 Shizzmoney
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Those swears you are hearing are from the desk of Charles Biderman when he read this bullshit from the BLS this morning. 

And rememeber BTW, the propaganda that you witness isn't just for Obama's re-election.....its to legitimize that the US economy is on the mend, and that the elections this year will have merit towards this for BOTH sides.  I 100% guaruntee that if Romney wins, he'll pick Bernanke again (unless Ben rejects the offer). 

The Fed is the one who has to prop up the market.  The Fed is the one who benefits from BS propaganda that things are "OK".  And as much as the market wants QE3, especially the big banks, the Fed (I think), doesn't really want it because....they, in the end, *really* don't know whats going to happen once that round of QE3 ends.  Hyperinflation might end up being the BEST of the problems that arise. 

That's the scary part that these Ivy reducated central planning motherfuckers being in charge of the money supply.  Ben Bernanke and his asshole cohorts really don't know what is going to happen......and no one in the White House or in the Chamber of Commerce, wants to admit this.  Hell, even the Fed's biggest detractors can't even admit it!

They all rigged the market for so long, and really don't understand the mathematical consquences in social structures, that arise from favoring money printing and wealth for those at the top. 

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:29 | 2358105 mickd
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Existing home sales went down from 4.60M February revised to 4.48M annual rate for March. I wonder how the MSM will spin this to look good.


Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:23 | 2358409 pleseus
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April NFP will be terrible 

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:33 | 2358435 ElvisDog
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No, no, you silly goose, the magic wands of seasonal adjustments and birth/death model will save the day.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 15:16 | 2359217 ehwhytry
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juuuuuuuuuust a bit outside!!!

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