Initial Claims Print At 400K, Last Week's 398K Revised Upward To 401K, 18 Straight Weeks Over 400K

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Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:41 | 1523298 HelluvaEngineer
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wtf was that knee jerk move in the futures?

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:43 | 1523305 HelluvaEngineer
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This is getting ugly.  And quick too.  I can't believe they're gonna let the "buy the dippers" get roasted like this.  What if they don't buy the dip / rip after QE3?

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:50 | 1523328 No Bid
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this is not a dip

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:51 | 1523333 Sudden Debt
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everybody needs Dip.


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:14 | 1523418 jus_lite_reading
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Dip with chips you mean....


As TD says..... this fake fraudulent economy will explode all by itself....

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:55 | 1523337 WonderDawg
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I've got a QEzy feeling this might be when the BTFDer's get burned. It's a confidence game, and confidence in TPTB has crumbled and I detect some doubts about another round of QE having the same impact that the first two had. Time will tell, but it definitely feels "different this time".

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:05 | 1523368 Smiddywesson
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I think QE yields diminishing returns too, as does the attempts to keep PM prices down.  There's been a big change in that since July 1, 2011.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 10:55 | 1523803 andybev01
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" 'cause I get a fearful, QEasy feelin',

   and my stocks have hit the ground."


(apologies to the Eagles.)


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:59 | 1523347 Cdad
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I can't believe they're gonna let the "buy the dippers" get roasted 

Dip buyers yesterday are going to get exactly what they deserve this morning.  As I commented yesterday afternoon, the terminators were selling that dead cat bounce all the way up, with the quote stuffing machines moving from red to green on a minute by minute basis.  It was obvious to me that there was no confidence in that bounce.

In the meantime, and again in comment to the perpetual lies being perpetrated by the BlowHorn [CNBC], things are NOT great in earnings land, especially within the commodity group.  The coal and iron ore companies are posting epic misses.  So much for the favorite BlowHorn cliche of "global growth."

Attention FCC...please revoke the BlowHorn's right to broadcast television signals!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:15 | 1523420 Smiddywesson
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I suspect the game is to lie about your earnings on the way up, and adjust your books after the market crashes.  If this were not so, either companies would have to tell the truth (ha, ha) or their books would eventually so depart from reality that they would get caught, so there has to be an adjustment point. 

As a result, I don't believe companies always massage their numbers up, somethimes they have to manipulate them down.  this is the point when they bring in the big institutional investors and share inside information with them to get them on board for the next bull market.  This is one of the core weaknesses of fundamental investors, not realizing the numbers are massaged up during the bull run, and not realizing things are not as bad as they seem at the bottom.

Our situation today is they won't let the market crash, so companies can't do the readjustment.  They have to keep tinkering with the numbers so that each earnings season becomes more and more divorced from reality.  Without the crash, the earnings numbers get crazier and crazier.  With this job market, these numbers are not credible.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:20 | 1523451 SheepDog-One
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Dip buyers, such as the bold and in-your-face Robo and Leo posted at close crowing about how the 'strong reversal' just happened and went all in long.

And the ONLY way CNBC is still broadcasting is its the administrations favorite 'under our wing' propaganda GE outfit.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 10:59 | 1523816 Libertarian777
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Commodity companies are good bellwethers for inflation in my mind. Although their income stream may be 'inflation protected' their operating costs increase rapidly when inflation hits. (have to exclude capital equipment purchases). Would be interesting to see an analysis of mining company operating margins correlated to shadow stats inflation rate.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:44 | 1523308 Sudden Debt
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Don't worry, Gold and Silver are up.


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:53 | 1523335 Long-John-Silver
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I can't remember which one of the anti-gold "economists" on CNBC yesterday admitted that he had been wrong about Gold.

He said that Gold and Silver had lost all resistance to higher levels. He also said that buying physical and demanding delivery

was the only safe option.

I was wondering when they would stop ignoring the Gold and Silver bats beating them about the head and shoulders.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:56 | 1523338 Sudden Debt
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When you can't buy anything anymore. Than they'll start to go bull on it.


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:18 | 1523439 Smiddywesson
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When you can't buy PMs anymore, the task at hand will be to buy as much food as possible, because when the PM vendors close up shop, the party is over for fiat.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 11:12 | 1523846 TruthInSunshine
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<- Robo=market top buying douche

<- Leo K loves govt cheese

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:59 | 1523348 WonderDawg
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Capitulation. Must mean a top is in (short to intermediate term). Do the opposite of what the mainstream morons are saying.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:51 | 1523332 Max Hunter
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It's showing up in EUR/USD too..  Went short yesterday at 1.4335 only to get stopped out in the move up around 6 pm..   Should have made 200 pips... coulda .. woulda.. that is..

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:41 | 1523300 Hobbleknee
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Jobless recovery, bitchez!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:05 | 1523369 Cash_is_Trash
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It's the new black!

Way to go Keynes - your theory continues to be proven wrong.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:44 | 1523303 doomandbloom
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why do we need jobs..when computers can do all the work?

With the rate of technology, there will be a time when 10 people will manage all operations within a company...good luck job hunting then.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:45 | 1523309 HelluvaEngineer
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If we didn't redirect all of society's assets to a very wealthy few, perhaps people could work 4 hrs / day.  Or, maybe Mom could stay home.  What a concept.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:47 | 1523316 doomandbloom
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inheritance does not go well with capitalism...

Buffet, Soros etc will leave their billions for their families, who may not be as intelligent (debatable) as them.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:04 | 1523363 Mercury
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Forking your wealth over to (or having it diluted by) the government doesn't go well with capitalism either.

Inevitably, the heirs of people like Buffett and Soros will mate with partners undistinguished by their IQ, work ethic or abilities, they will piss money away on trinkets or they will gift their wealth to some entity whose deeds will fail to match it's pretentions.

In short, inheritance, at least under our current social and political system, probably concentrates wealth and power much less than does  government claims on private wealth.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:08 | 1523386 doomandbloom
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I agree that this would be the case a few years ago..however now i see that everyone ( even dumb rich kids) are looking to protect their investments.

and worse...there are agencies that provided this service for a fee...

IMO the power grab due to inheritance will become worse.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:24 | 1523426 Mercury
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You're proving my point:  I'll happily explore taking the other side of a dumb rich kid looking to protect his or her investments!

Who comes to mind when you think of the American super-rich?  Mostly self-made men (or Muriel Siebert) like Gates, Ellison, Jobs or Buffett. Multi-gernerational dynasties are more likely to be political families like the Kennedys or the Bushes.

The great grandchildren of MLK and Al Gore will probably be commanding handsome fees for their noble presence for decades to come...

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:22 | 1523463 pods
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I have thought about this scenario alot HelluvaEngineer. With all the advancement and technology, theoretically we should be able to work fewer hours for the same amount of production.

But no, we are on a fractional reserve currency and have debt issued with interest.  So all that extra production is skimmed off by the top 0.01% while we toil all day.

I have wondered what it would be like if we did not have to live in a model based upon compound growth.  One can dream I guess?



If we didn't redirect all of society's assets to a very wealthy few, perhaps people could work 4 hrs / day.  Or, maybe Mom could stay home.  What a concept.


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:06 | 1523375 bigwavedave
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the company that supplies most of the aluminum cans for Coke in Baton Rouge makes 3.4 million Coke cans per day and has a grand total of 18 people on the production staff - thats 2 shifts on 9 people. Yup.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:12 | 1523407 doomandbloom
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Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:39 | 1523550 infinity8
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I was in plastics distribution and contract mfg in plastics for a long time (90's thru '08) and thus have been in almost every kind of manufacturing facility you can think of from food proc., auto, electronics, you name it. I was always struck by the lack of humans in most of the big places. The one that always creeped me out was one of the biggest plants of one of the big 3 automakers. I can't remember how many square miles the facility took up - a lot. You almost never saw a human in this cavernous place - every now and then someone would zip by on a golf cart or big trike thingy. Like all the jobs were maintaining the machines or retooling.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:43 | 1523304 snowball777
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Wait until it's 99 weeks over 400k!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:44 | 1523306 Caviar Emptor
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WOW! Dramatic results from our nation's sound economic policy. 

Mission accomplished. 

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:06 | 1523372 nodhannum
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It's those damn Tea Partiers fault... Biden, the genius, told me so!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:45 | 1523310 Long-John-Silver
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This will be known as "Great Depression II" after it ends in two generations. 

Your Grand Children will see the end of it after they conduct a Reset and Re-boot.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:50 | 1523330 Sudden Debt
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Why not just call it "THE GREAT SOFT PATCH"

but on the other hand... a sequel is always worse than the first movie so maybe later on we can still change the title to G.D. II

Whatever the name... I do hope the main leads won't survive untill the end.


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:00 | 1523351 WonderDawg
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I think it will be called The Collapse. We're witnessing the death throes of our current system. Interesting times, indeed.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:25 | 1523487 Smiddywesson
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Ding!  We have a winner.

You call a global event that affects all economies a global recession, or a global depression. 

You call a global event that ends a global and unsustainable economy the Fall Of Rome.

The Great Collapse was coined by WonderDawg.  Please send all royalties c/o ZH.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:44 | 1523572 WonderDawg
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Thanks, Smiddy. I was debating whether to call it The Collapse or The Great Collapse, but I think you're right, The Great Collapse is better, so we'll share credit.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:46 | 1523313 digalert
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I fondly remember the 2009 recovery...

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:46 | 1523314 Sudden Debt
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Why look for a job when you can go on vacation?!


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:46 | 1523315 buzzsaw99
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QE 'til ya puke!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:48 | 1523318 caerus
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depression bitchez!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:49 | 1523319 the not so migh...
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13 trillion to the banks and we got shit to show for it

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:54 | 1523336 Sudden Debt
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unless you're one of those bankers that Obama has on speeddial...


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:32 | 1523519 Smiddywesson
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Untrue, we bought a boat load of inflation with that 13T

Ben is giving out WIN pins (What, inflation now?)

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 08:49 | 1523320 Archimedes
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And Marketwatch headline...wait for it....wait....just one more sec...

"Initial claims fall by 1,000 to 400k"

Unf**king real!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:02 | 1523361 SheepDog-One
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Problem is, seems theyre out of idiots like Robo and Leo to BTFD...Leo's off to other things like south american wineries.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:06 | 1523377 cosmictrainwreck
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IT is "unf**kinf real".... HTF they expect anybody to believe they can track a lousy +/- 1000? It's LESS THAN a rounding error. Shit

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:16 | 1523436 SheepDog-One
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Yea and the whole media is glom'ing onto 1,000 jobs, not even measurable in reality, to proclaim 'signs of certain great improvements!', yes now 'the signs' are everywhere being read by the wizards and seers in the financial press as the green shoots have come up into choking thickets of poison ivy.

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