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Investing Legend Louis Bacon Has Had Enough Of Algos And Central Planners, Calls It Quits

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Markets are toast as Louis Bacon plans to give back 25% of his fund to investors as "liqudity and opportunities have become more constrained." As Bloomberg notes, Bacon is struggling to make money in his typically macroeconomic trend exploiting fund as "the risk on / risk off environment appears to be an abiding presence that has keep engagement low." Macro funds lost an average of 1.3 percent in the first six months of the year. Bacon, pointed out that "Markets are increasingly distorted by central banks’ attempts to squeeze drops of growth from an over-indebted private sector across much of the developed world." The U.S. markets are hindered by "a caustic political environment and an anti-business administration," he said.

U.S. banks have retreated from making markets in many securities because of the Dodd-Frank legislation, which limits them from trading for their own accounts. Bacon added that 'in some Kafkaesque absurdity,' the rule is "named after the two high protectors from regulatory oversight of perhaps the most egregious of U.S. financial miscreants, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."

Bacon pulls no punches as he goes after inept regulators in Europe and the US, and describes the state of affairs as "Disaster Economics, where assets are valued based on their ability to withstand a lurking disaster as opposed to what they may yield or earn, is now the prism through which investors are pricing markets." And perhaps most 'distorted' is the credit market where trading in individual corporate credits has also been 'decimated' he said. "I shudder to think of the stress that is going to occur during the new credit liquidation cycle."

 


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Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Anybody have a list of fund managers who have quit in the last 3-4yrs?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment veyron
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Anybody have a list of fund managers who have NOT quit in the past few years?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment realtick
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Anybody have a light?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Market has been broken since 2007.  And there really is no "market".  We've got gov't printed data called DOW, S&P, and NASDAQ.  Total and complete fascism.  I can't, for the life of me, believe that anyone would even continue to think this market has some reality to it, let alone put money in it expecting a positive return.

Now all the rear-view mirror traders are going to chime in with their perfectly timed trades.  LOL. 

 

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Getting out at the top, at least he can see it.

Yahoo charts for dummies. Check out the volume, technicians love that shit, it's usually the only thing they're right about.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^gspc+interactive#symbol=^gspc;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Sequitur
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Moore Hedge Funds fined $25 million for illegally manipulating platinum and palladium markets.  http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr5815-10

Moore's and Bacon's little boy Pia also fined and barred.  http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr6079-11

Guess who Moore's broker was executing the trades? MF Globalhttp://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr6210-12

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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Why? Looking for an honest man?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Mongo
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Meat for the grinder

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Precious
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Did he say he fears "what's going to occur" ?

What hasn't occurred already ?   Global thermo nuclear war ?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment chrisd
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Druckenmiller, Bacon, Pellegrini (probably the most relevant as he was relatively young and just getting started, especially since he was probably most responsible for the "trade of the century")

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Nadaclue
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Try this, a little outdated but you'll get the gist.

 

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/p/banker-resignations.html

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment geewhiz190
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as an aside ZH's beloved Ray Dalio is down 2% through July on his Pure alpha fund. if he can't make a buck, who can? 

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment bhakta
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Obviously he is speaking from both experience and practicality. The "markets" really have little to no meaning to anyone now, as they are made of a bunch of HFT computers playong hot-potatoe with each other. It seems completely insane to me.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment SemperFord
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Which is why I am surprised nobody talented enough has been able to hack into them, infect them with a virus and crash the whole thing...oh well

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Cardinal Fang
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If you can hack it, why crash it when you can siphon off $1 Trillion in .05 of a second?

Seems a bit more fun that way.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER
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The game is to quit while you ahead Mr. Bacon, not whine on the way out when your business model has fallen apart. I guess he didn't get the memo. /sarc

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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i hate these whiny fatcats as much as the next guy but this market is extremely distorted.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment crawldaddy
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yeah, and has been for some time.  This hedge fund dickhead just cant keep out in fromt of it anymore, so he is whining like a little school girl

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Tortfeasor
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I guess a real man would stick it out and keep losing other people's money?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment DavidC
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I don't suppose ANY of the regulators have the wit or wisdom to question why so many fund managers are quitting.

DavidC

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Who is John Galt?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment steve brassey
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how do i send/?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Jason T
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he's the guy who had enough and decided to go work for himself and persue his own self interests without having others feed off the profits of his energy.  

By the sweat of his brow, he'll eat and not others who only eat but don't sweat.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Oh, come on, someone else made that happen. He should be glad for the chance to give back when he has taken so much from the community. Working for your own self-interest is a narrow, short-sighted, selfish vision. This community built him a big house, yet he doesn't want to share it with the 99%. 

/s btw

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Observer
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someone else? Are you kidding?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment toncuz
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Who is John Galt? He's America's worst traitor.

He's the guy who bribed your Congressmen, outsourced your job, set-up offshore accounts to evade taxes, takes billions in corporate welfare while young men and women die defending his filthy hidden wealth that contributes nothing to our economy nor its war effort.

Who is John Galt?

He's the guy that should be dragged from his mansion or yacht and HUNG from the nearest tree.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment phalfa5
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I SMELL BACON 

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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I LOVE the smell of bacon in the morning.

Smells like, vvvvv.......Sunday Breakfast!

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER
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Bacon bits in this case. 

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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A billion pulled out here a billion pulled out there..pretty soon we are talking about real money.  Maybe he should do his clients a favor and put that money to work in gold.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... BACON!

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Seorse Gorog fr...
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perv

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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i think things are about to FREEZE up ............Good Luck everyone

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment DavidC
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And it'll be their own fucking fault - forgive my swearing but it makes my blood boil.

DavidC

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment crawldaddy
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This little douchebags con game is no longer working, so he is taking his marbles and running home, where he'll blame the black guy.

 

what a joke.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Neethgie
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Spain is not uganda

but bacon is toast.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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Ann Barnhard was very prescient; not unlike Meridith.  Go! women of finance.  (Now if only the bimbos on financial TV <Lauren Lyster excepted> would get the message).

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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The empty casino keeps getting smaller.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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There is a saying in Hollywood - "No one has ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public."   The casino should have been empty by now.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Just in case you missed it idiot; 401k holders are forced to play!

Totally fucking stupid, possession rapidly becoming 100% of the law.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Nevermore Peabody
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10% early withdrawl penalty is a lot less than a 100% penalty these folks'll have if they keep letting it ride on Red. No one is holding a gut to anyone's head *forcing* them to play.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:05 | Link to Comment DosZap
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10% early withdrawl penalty is a lot less than a 100% penalty these folks'll have if they keep letting it ride on Red. No one is holding a gut to anyone's head *forcing* them to play.

Your talking IRA's.

401k plans, (unless you have been with the company MANY years) are untouchable except in DIRE cases.

Otherwise you cannot withdraw crap, one way to end around it is to take as large a loan out as possible,and limit your input IF the emps are matching it.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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Incorrect, I've withdrawn 401ks with the 10% penalty plus taxes a couple of times.  They make it somewhat cumbersome to do, with paper signatures and stuff, but it's doable, and usually a week or two from initiation to paper check.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:26 | Link to Comment terryfuckwit
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no fun in a rigged game...

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment dcb
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there is no mention opf algo's in the article. as someone who is working to get vanguard to be against the algos, these articles must be accurate. vanguard is of the position they add liquidity. I am of the position they are causing people to leave the market and actually decreasing liquidity. very poor job tyler and a distortion. As someone who is working to try and fix the system and work with institutional investors on the problem this is of no use as far as I can tell.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment busted by the b...
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"Markets are increasingly distorted by central banks’ attempts to squeeze drops of growth from an over-indebted private sector across much of the developed world."

As the old-timer's used to say, It's difficult to squeeze blood out of a turnip.

We have been becoming poorer for decades.  It has just been hidden by our ability to live beyond our means through increasing debt.

Greece is poor and, increasingly, so are we.  Austerity is not something that is imposed on Greece (and soon us) by "outsiders" it is the natural consequence of being poor!  I.e., reality bites!

But reality is inevitable.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment DosZap
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  Austerity is not something that is imposed on Greece (and soon us) by "outsiders" it is the natural consequence of being poor!  I.e., reality bites!

But reality is inevitable.

True, its being caused by INSIDERS.

When is the vast majority going to figure out this entire debacle is a planned event?.

The Globalist plan, cannot go forward with a strong,prosperous America.

So, they are dismantling it,under the guise of false pretenses, and outright lies, theft, and obfuscation.

Silly Rabbit

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Neethgie
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I just find it all a little disingenous for him to quit now claiming to have had enough of central planning and algo's.

You cant take your 2/20 through 2 rounds of QE and a flash crash and then claim you are against central planners and algo's.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Bacon don't want to get burnt to a crisp.

Ps...

I see the PigDog Manipulators have bashed silver down over 2%.

Manipulation running rampant.

 

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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"QUICK TO THE POINT, TO THE POINT, NO FAKING.....COOKING MCs (investors) LIKE A POUND OF BACON"

 

Ice Ice baby.....

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment omi
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"My strategy doesn't really work right now, don't blame me. After all, I analyzed what's going on and settled on what I think is the most suiting strategy to make money for my clients. It's clearly the {government, economy, the FED, bad {} }"

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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The looting is almost complete.  Beware the next step.  It won't be so peaceful.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Lost Wages
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"If I can't make $27,000,000 an hour, it's not even worth it to get out of bed in the morning." -Louis Bacon

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Bacon sounds pretty fried.

 

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment dwayne elizando
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Well I take It this means no QE. Surely he wouldn't quit if he could front run more QE.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Every possible avenue is being exhausted to close out the end of wave 2.  When the selloff of wave 3 occurs, it won't be pretty.

 

http://bullandbearmash.com/chart/dow-jones-industrial-average-daily-july...

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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Personally, I can't stand EW, but one look at that chart and you can tell, that sucker's going down!

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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This is your brain on drugs (with a side of bacon)...

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lo7_HxP9y8

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Atlantis Consigliore
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Istn thete anyone left in retail to front run anymore?  

futures?  ponzi schemes like B. Gross says?

anyone , ANYONE left?   lets have a hearing. LOL

Gold

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Translation;  Another paper-pusher (who creates nothing of real value) quitting because the new "rules" won't allow his particular flavor of theft anymore.  And the "club" gets a little smaller, same as it ever was.

Good fucking riddance asshole.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment phalfa5
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.... hmmm    need mayo and tomato now ....

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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Wonder when the Terminator comes to earth to rescue Anne Barnhardt.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:03 | Link to Comment GOLDTEETHSILVER...
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Follow the yellow brick road...

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment RSloane
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As nauseating as his whimpy poor-me rhetoric is, fundamentally he's right. Valid price discovery, valid projective risk assessment, all gone. Regulators? Where?

He probably has enough to buy an island after Greece starts liquidating their assets and live in an extraordinarily comfortable manner. Pardon me while I withhold the box of tissues for him.

Where was he for the last five years?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Mad Mad Woman
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I'm getting a little tired of the "The U.S. markets are hindered by "a caustic political environment and an anti-business administration," he said." meme. This administration has given corporate America just about everything they wanted. WTF??  If he's looking to blame someone he's looking in the wrong place. He should be blaming the algo crowd. What a fucking wimp.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment HedgeOn
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If anyone has ever seen Ann Barnhardt's online posts - she's not "regular crazy"...she's definitely the "batshit kind".

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:45 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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The religious references give it away.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Indrid Cold
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But all the other (non-religious) stuff is perfectly a-ok, eh?

Barnhardt smells like an agent provocateur.  Except...

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment suckerfishzilla
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The article seems fine except I would change the word "inept" to either "vested" or "complicit".

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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When does the new credit liquidation cycle begin?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:46 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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My guess, probably tomorrow.

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