Iran Begins Straits of Hormuz Wargames
As was reported yesterday, Iran has now officially commenced its 10 day wargame exercise in the Straits of Hormuz. What happens next is 10 days in which one false move, either planned or false flagged, can have some serious (if required by the status quo) consequences: after all WTI is at $100, and the ECB has quietly "printed" $700 billion in the past 6 months, with the Fed not far behind - there has to be some implicit backstop to keep crude from soaring once it becomes clear that print mode is on, and the only way that can happen is the "possibility" of expanded oil supply through control of the main supply channels. From Reuters: "Iran began 10 days of naval exercises in the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday, raising concern about a possible closure of the world's most strategic oil transit channel in the event of any outbreak of military conflict between Tehran and the West. The military drill, dubbed "Velayat-e 90", comes as the tension between the West and Iran is escalating over the Islamic state's nuclear programme. Iranian authorities have given no indication the strait will be closed during the exercise, and it has not been shut during previous drills. "Displaying Iran's defensive and deterrent power as well as relaying a message of peace and friendship in the Strait of Hormuz and the free waters are the main objectives of the drill," Sayyari said. "It will also display the country's power to control the region as well as testing new missiles, torpedoes and weapons."
Some analysts and diplomats believe the Islamic Republic could try to block the strait in the event of any war with the West over suspicions it is seeking atom bombs. Iran's arch-foes Israel and the United States have not ruled out military action if diplomacy and sanctions fail to rein in Iran's nuclear work.
Iran says it wants nuclear energy only for peaceful ends.
"The enforcement of the decision to close of the Strait of Hormuz is certainly within Iran's armed forces' capability, but such a decision should be made by the country's top authorities," Iranian Navy commander Habibollah Sayyari was quoted as saying by the semi-official ILNA labour news agency.
Iran has said in the past that it would respond to any attack by targeting U.S. interests in the region and Israel, as well as closing the strait, the only access channel for eight U.S.-aligned, Gulf Arab states to foreign markets.
"Velayat" is a Persian word for "supremacy" and it is currently used as a title of deference for the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Those wishing to follow up to date developments on the wargames, and any potential surprises, can do so via the Press TV site.
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BOOM! Bitchez!
C'mon, what could go wrong?
Well bandgap, there is the matter of this, that or the third thing. Any one of them or, it could be an unknown unknown.
But, then again, those are pretty good odds eh?
Obamamanamana does not want to fight, he is so Noble.
ori
/fractal-animal-hypnotic/
The only plausible way by which Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) could justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental United States: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians.
This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to subsequently be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran’s IRGC and Pakistan’s ISI.
Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The psychological impact of this event will elicit the brute and ignorant populace to demand a massive retaliation against the alleged perpetrators (explicitly Iran); the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these mules in order to further their agenda.
Absent of this essential prerequisite (a false flag operation), President Soetoro will find virtually impossible persuading US Congress to issue a formal declaration of war.
Video not on you-tube. State censorship?
http://www.jango.com/music/Violent+Femmes?l=0
One mindless miscalculation could easily lead to WWIII
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2011/12/24/iranian-wargames-empire-and-wwiii/
Except a dirty bomb wouldn't kill dozens of thousands. At most a few thousands.
And it would be a ``credible`` false-flag since a dirty bomb is the only thing they can come up with and the CIA will say ``it was possible``.
And of course they'll say how it came from Mexico, so US troops need to go into Mexico and wipe out the cartels because they helped Iran or some BS like that.
And of course, they will have to hire hundreds of thousands of TSA to inspect every car in North America.
They will go full East Berlin on our asses.
a dirty bomb would be lucky to kill a dozen. Period.
As for east berlin, good luck getting enough snitches on the payroll...already the hippies and TP oldies are protesting
ZOG will plant one of Israel's - or our - real ones in a Muslim suburb of, say, Detroit. BOOM. Then TPTB will produce evidence that an "Iranian terror cell" was building one there, it went off..." etc. Insta-War.
Or it's the state of Michigan ending it's budget crisis, and putting GM/Detroit out of it's misery. Hell, hit Flint as well, and they could balance the budget! Maybe Gary, IN, and Cleveland could be targets for false flag/SNAP benefits lowering?
Your probably right, they want Iran big time because they know once the reactor goes hot it will be no time at all that they will have a nuclear device.
Wanklord copies and pastes more drivel. He's been posting this particular boilerplate since July 16, 2011, if not earlier. His spewage isn't limited to zerohedge. He's posted this comment to a variety of sites, from presstv.ir to haaretz.com, sometimes as wanklord and sometimes as somon.
(For reference, try a google search for the phrase "most likely a controlled nuclear explosion", including the quotes.)
He never reads followups to his own comments, and probably nothing more than the title of the article on which he is commenting. I'm not sure if his postings have any real purpose, because they fall into that grey area between annoying kook and retarded interloper.
and i believe he libels mules, who are notoriously independent minded (and cannot reproduce), quite different from the caricature of the docile u.s. citizen he otherwise paints.
Since when did Congress' power to declare war (or the War Powers Act) have any influence on Obama? The later was passed to constrain Republican presidents. Pretty much everyone knows that a Democrat president may ignore it and suffer no consquences.
Right, and it's Christmas. No one starts wars during the Holidays.
ex. Yom Kippur
And Tet.
as andrew card noted in similar circumstances, you don't introduce new products in august. http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-12/politics/schneider.iraq_1_political-c...
Disgusting. Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and now Iran. Where does propaganda and delusion end.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jip_QWUoBrGeMw45Pyok8iMgTVXQ?docId=4832e76bbe20430f9de6408b838c8087
Isn't this a great opportunity for Iran? Assuming no false flags carried out by the US, Iran has the ability to conduct extended war drills without compromising oil distribution through Hormuz. (un)Naturally, the mainstream led, Muslim fearing population expecting the worst, get shocked when Ahmadinejad makes no threatening moves, nor does the strait close. I think these situation could be capable of diffusing, to some extent, Americans' contempt for the country through their subconsciousness psyches.
Then again we could be witnessing the catalyst leading to WWIII. Time will tell...
hey trav........check it out....how about this one........
OIL BITCHEZ ...............
Nono, democracy my patriot friend.
You kind of look like somebody who can carry a gun. Don't wanna join the game?
And how about this one... 120 000 protesters in Moscow with Gorbachev calling for Putin to resign...
Send 4 carriers to x4!
10000 troops to y7
Nuke d2
I just love stratego :)
"Carrier has arrived!"
Stratego this.....50,000 mines floating with the currents in the gulf and all around the Straits of Hormuz. Let just one tanker blow, and the world will have quite a 'situation'. Try getting insurance on an oil shipment. Even getting a tanker and crew would be a problem.
Those mines are cheap, easy to build, as destruvtive as you want to make them, simple to move around and set lose under cover of darkness, easily stored and stockpiled, constantly moving with the water's flow, and very hard to detect. Silent death & destruction that leave no fingerprints.
Better find some country to build a pipeline through.
Don't know if you are aware but many modern mines don't float about. Most are tethered to the bottom unless a tether breaks. Minesweepers traditionally tried to cut tethers so they came to the surface, where they could be seen and destroyed.
Newer ones may sit on the bottom and look like mud, or rock, or seaweed, and will only rise to hit a target when they detect one, via ballast control. Very hard to clear an area of such disguised stealth-mines. Else they have batteries, CPUs and hydrophones, and a high performance propulsion system. i.e. they're basically self-deploying multipurpose torpedos, that can operate in a 'sea mine' mode, where they can sit on the bottom or even in the water-column, and wait a few years for their target, or else they can 'swim' back to self-recovered, if not used.
These types of weapons can be sewn by subs, surface vessels, or from the air, via dedicated naval patrol aircraft, or via palletised drops out the back of transports, with a cheap GPS guidance system attached to a stand-off gliding-parachute, that can glide for many kilometres to deliver them within meters of where you want them.
The Iranians have spent decades developing a devastating mine warfare option. They would certainly use a wide mix of very old and very new mine tech and diverse and novel delivery mechanisms, to maximise the difficulty of clearance.
Try clearing a vast area with 6 or 7 different types of old and new sea mines present. Bet you can't do it quickly. It would take many months to several years.
thanks for the detail. the global economic system is so fragile it seems such a simple military move as mines sown in the gulf would bring it to its knees. our military is so prepared for threats that are obsolete and so unprepared (?) for those that seem more likely. how much better off would we be trying at least half hard to defuse them through changed policy vis a vis israel, iraq, iran, afghanistan, pakistan and kashmir et. al.?
What? ... you mean end up with actual peace on Earth and goodwill to all men? ... jeez mate ... lay off the egg-nog ... ;-)
Smart post. Thanks. Milestones
Sorry, I'm not buying it. This will be another non-event, like the periodic "Israel is about to attack Iran" stories.
We'll get in. No question about it, and now it will even be a joined attack.
America and Nato will bomb them together. Nato might even take the lead this time to show the world that europe supports the american dream100%
Nothings for nothing
I hope someone get ths balls to drop a laser guided big ass bomb right on the head of the Ayatollah an his puppet Achmed-nut-job. Just do it and shut those fuckers up....maybe then the rest of the despots in the world would think a little before popping off.
If you were to actually follow your own line of thinking and make an example of the worlds' arch-despots, you'd have to drop the bomb on Washington D.C., the City of London district or the Vatican, depending on your view of things. Khomeini and Achmadinejad are fucking babies pissing in the kiddies' pool by any comparison.
none of that would do any good unless you decapitate the real forces behind this, Tel Aviv.
I won't argue for or against this, after all I'm just a fucking goyim and am a far cry from any chance of deciphering what's really going on...
But I'd like to say that the best (as in relatively simple, substantiated, fitting and explaining the facts) conspirationial theory of history of which I'm aware is the masonic luciferian (of the Grand Orient Lodges fame) conspiracy. This theory states that (with a certain degree of substantiation) Israel was planned more than a century ago as a trojan horse of hegelian dialectic, the beachhead of the luciferians' provocation of radical islam/communism (itself shaped through the same dialectic) to be faced against capitalism/judeo-christianity in the final world war, assuring mutual, complete destruction.
This of course to leave absolute global statism as the only ideology left to look up to (or down on), which is the point where their goal is reached.
While I do see Zionist Israel as a problem of biblical proportions, engendering many problems downstream in the realm of effects, it itself remains an effect and not the causes that are the source of the stream itself. So I don't think that decapitating these forces would have such an effect anyways, just like throwing a boulder in a river will not stem the source and it will just flow around it. It cannot have such an effect, not when Israel has already played its role and is nearly ready to be sacrificed in a major middle-east conflagration. At least these are my humble 2 cents.
well, it sure is nice of those zionist talmudists to control the world financial system on behalf of their evil islamic masters (who are not allowed to practice usury)... if you get what i mean. /s
in all seriousness, if you want to get a better feel for who the real luciferians might be, take a good look at the talmud.
I think you are, willfully or not, confounding my argument.
The luciferian masters are temporarily zionists because this is the current necessary step to create the next conflagration in their chain of hegelian dialectic. Both islamists and judeo-christians have been manipulated by the zionists as tools to be used against each other and discarded - I cannot even begin to comprehend how you could have understood that I said the zionists control the world for their islamic masters.
Once these ideologies have been thoroughly destroyed by the luciferians, then they can move on to absolute global statism = collectivism, or the True Doctrine of Lucifer.
i understood you, but I lay blame on those i find most culpable. i don't think that they are temporarily zionist. zion would be the capital of the NWO, and it would be in Israel. its all outlined in the talmud, divide and conquer. luciferian worship is almost as old as mankind, at least in what remains of recorded history. i just get tired of hearing about how the vatican, or the jesuits, or any other johny come lately strawmen, are to blame... when the real bad actors (as opposed to the manipulated pawns) are hidden in plain view. Interestingly enough, Iran appears to be one of the last countries standing that still gets it, and is prepared to fight. i think Putin gets it as well. not sure about the Chinese. but even inside Russia, there are vast shadow apparatus prepared to try and take over when the time is right, which seems to be in the very near future.
Well then, I respect your opinion. As I said I'm far from having figured it out and your ideas do fit with the basic premises - however I do feel that the jesuits embody the strongest form of luciferianism so far, whose worship can take many forms as it infects different ideologies through time, what with their doctrine "the bible has value only because the pope states it is so" and that the pope is the sole salvation of our souls. Perfect starting point for absolute world statism (although the Baha'i "faith" is an even more recent newcomer which embodies same with a thin veneer of multiculturalism).
I just don't see how they couldn't be gunning for the geographical destruction of Israel at the same time as the rest. Shit's crazy. Definitely an interesting fog of war to try to peer in.
Very interesting exchange.
Perhaps the thing to recognize is that we, regardless of religion, have lived the Christian Age. THe Piscean age was essentially the Biblical Age.
And we seem bent upon fulfilling it's End-time prophecies to a T. Teh Vatican is the root of the Common Era. They control the calendar. Enough said.
Those that will or can not be converted will be slaughtered.
Bottom fishing in the end of the age of Pices!
ori
Is that a regional Indian thing - fishing for bottoms?
no. nearly a universal one. it's an area of interest.
god is the greatest punster, "he" made the organs of generation the organs of elimination (source?).
you and i are not far off in our views, i agree. no fan of the jesuits here either. interestingly the jesuit order appears to have been formed by a crypto zionist. as you point out, there is more misinformation out there than truth, so sorting though all this is problematic. but patterns do emerge over time. Loyola appears to be one of many crypto zionists who infiltrated the church for obvious reasons. Certainly he wasn't the first, the council at nicea was all about hijaking the real teachings of Christianity, but that is an aside. the point being, that its not possible to take anything at face value. same thing happened in Islam... wahabbi islam appears to be a zionist creation as well (need a good enemy and need to smear and pervert the true teaching of Islam). the saudi royal family are cryptos... seems that there is a crypto under every rock out there.
Hey....you guys wake me up when the Rastfarians take over. One love, and Merry Christmas.
I'm waiting for the Pastafarians ...
So is Turkey i.e. Donmeh.
thank you for this exchange - you do your moniker proud Think for yourself. . .
always like to read posts from folk who are able to take all sides into consideration, yet still argue from their own perspective(s)
peace.
Thank you. That you recognize this is only a sign that you are able of the same, for yourself. Namaste and merry christmas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T1UL-YD_TTE#!
interesting video on zionism and theordor herzl who at one time wanted all jews to present themselves to the vatican so they could "convert" to "christianity"
and how they have been in conflict with religious jews in israhole and elsewhere i guess. technically , to me anyway, they are about a godless all powerful state with the trappings of secular judaism. they seem to pick and choose what is good for their cause etc.....
in the above video, one must listen to the usual propaganda in some respects but nevertheless it is a very interesting and enlightening video. goes into detail on herzl's diary etc and jabotinsky and his feelings on jews etc...and the inner workings of the beginnings of zionism and the early leaders in israhole and then onward till this very day and the present day struggle for power between religious jews and secular jews.........
No such thing as a 'secular jew'.
It's a contradiction of terms.
If Judaism is a religion, and a tribe/race, how could being a Jew ever be 'secular'?
If they really were 'secularists', they would not all be zionists.
And then they claim to not be zionists either!
Yet almost every Jew I've ever met, who professed to being secular, turned out to be a rabid zionist supporter.
The 'secular Jew' is just a convenient myth used to blend in better and gain acceptance. They use that term to brainwash us to believe they really are secular.
But when push comes to shove, they're not secularists at all.
you need to meet different jews. check out this face off between the jews eliot spitzer and glenn greenwald: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j3XHHn1yWs
and for a (very) comprehensive list of anti-zionist jews, see this http://www.masada2000.org/list-K.html what great credibility since the list is generated as a hate list by rabid zionists.
p.s. (full disclosure) i'm not jewish.
Ok Jeff, I over generalised, there are always some exceptions to every such statement. But generally, it is still true.
The Jewish diaspora needs a lot more Glenn Greenwald's and a a whole lot less of the AIPAC variety.
David Icke strikes again: "kissinger is a repilian shape-changer". Nope. Just a Heeb.
Mother of all idiots
Bop em so hard they wouldn't think of screwing with you again...ever! Like the same reason you wouldn't put your hand in a Pitt Bulls mouth...you know what could happen...you just know better.
Stop being such a bunch of sissy's...you ain't gonna convince these pekerwoods that they would like you if they only knew you better.
who's "em"?
I think the ground wire from your tinfoil hat has become disconnected. Please reattach it to the cold water pipe.
"This theory states that (with a certain degree of substantiation) Israel was planned more than a century ago as a trojan horse of hegelian dialectic, the beachhead of the luciferians' provocation of radical islam/communism (itself shaped through the same dialectic) to be faced against capitalism/judeo-christianity in the final world war, assuring mutual, complete destruction."
On a dark street corner somewhere in Eastern Europe in 1911.
"Well, Moishe, don't you think Hegel needs to ride in on a trojan horse?"
"Oy. You mix your metaphors, Eli. But you'd be a real mensch if you would set up a final war between radical islam/communism and capialism/Judeo Cristianity, say, in a hundred years. It would be great if they would mutually destroy each other."
"OK. Will do. What, by the way, is radical Islam? And aren't we the "Judeos?" Let's keep it simple and just get some blood from Christian children now for dinner."
Listen to yourself. This is ridiculous to even repeat.
BINGO!
Give this man a cigar. You hit the nail on the head with this one and it will most probably go over most people heads and they will never understand, or the israelites understand how horribly they were set up. Just like the USA is to lose the next World War. The US is the new Nazis and israel is the spark that was created to start the final war to eliminate most of the worlds populations.
Yep, this will never be picked up on and exposed.
Still, it is good to see others are getting it right. Great post!
wasn't breaker's point that the conspiracy is too convoluted and distant in time from its object? ("they will never understand, or the israelites understand how horribly they were set up. Just like the USA is to lose the next World War. The US is the new Nazis and israel is the spark that was created to start the final war to eliminate most of the worlds populations.")
Dup post, BINGO!
You are talking about Albert Pike, the only Confederate to have a statue in D.C. I'm not stating that I'm a "Pikist", only that his writings and Masonry were the outline of your statement about Israel. It is VERY creepy to read his work, and about him. My advice if you like his writings, short Goldman Sachs, long ham....
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm
His quote
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4
Also, I know he founded the KKK, so please do not whip me on this. I am NOT a fan, just know the reference.
"after all I'm just a fucking goyim"
Me too. But Goyim is plural. Goy is the singular form.
Agree that "decapitation" will not work when the rot has gone global.
Happy New Year.
The real forces behind this are not in Tel Aviv. That's just their hideout if everything goes to shit. No they are in Germany, the City of London, New York, Switzerland, etc.
Excellent point TFY - in fact I'm wondering if any of these 'kill the camel jockeys' folks can pinpoint a single thing that Iran has actually done to Americans that can compare in magnitude to what we've done to them since 1953. When I was young there were lots of guys who wanted nothing more than to go "kill the Cong", and we all know how that turned out. And what precisely did the Vietnamese do to us to justify that war? (And please don't point to the Gulf of Tonkin 'incident'.)
ZH is supposed to be a place where intelligent people can reason together but I'm afraid it has become severely infested with warmongers who are so blinded by this country's intense disinformation propaganda that they are literally unable to think for themselves.
I highly recommend that any such mentally deficient jingomeisters read "War Is A Racket" by USMC Major General Smedley Butler, holder of TWO Medals of Honor. It is so easy to find a free download of this book ( try www.archive.org) that anyone who spouts off about killing anybody in a patriotic fervor without having read this book must be discounted as a raving lunatic.
The ayatollahs in their early idealism had abolished the military as a threat to the people.
Then Saddam Hussein saw an opportunity and attacked them unprovoked. We ended up suporting Hussein.
Now the Ayatollahs are quite militaristic.
It didnt have to be that way.
We owe them an apology for everything we have done to them since helping overthrow a democratically elected government in 1953 and providing support for the Shah.
America also supported Iran during that war.
"Mr. Regan recalls the President authorizing the shipment of 500 TOW's on October 29, 1986.
Because of a delay in the transfer of funds the TOW's actually delivered to Iran on October 29, 1986, were Israeli TOW's. The 500 U.S. TOW's were provided to Israel as replacements on Novembr 7."
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/PS157/assignment%20files%20public/TOWER%20EXCERPTS.htm
The same thing could have been said about the Japanese before Pearl Harbor. After all we wouldn't sell them oil so they had to invade Manchuria and China. The Japanese and Iranians were and are so misunderstood.
The Iranians have not invaded anyone in a very long time.... contrast that with the wars that the U.S. has instigated in just the last few decades... all in the name of freedom and democrazy...
Here's a simple question for you, which country- Iran or the US has the greater share of its forces in neighboring & regional sovereign states at this moment? "Invaded" , "is" , "sexual relations" ... word games- nothing more. "Very Long Time" is another interesting one. Unlike Iraq, Afganistan and certain strategic rock piles around the Straight of Hormuz (some of which are the internationally recognized property of other sovereign States) have never attacked Iran. Then there is also the whole colorful history of Abu Musa with the Iranian invasions and Iranian treaty violations regarding its non-militarization... But perhaps you have a double standard for the dumb little sand niggers- since they obviously can't be expected to perform at the same level as the Great Satan itself... and for them "very long time" is only a few minutes, as opposed to a "few decades"?
How many hundred bases does the US maintain in other countries? How about Iran?
Iran also has hundreds, the easiest ones to spot are the ones with the yellow flag with the green AK on them, perhaps when the Persians get over their 5000 year constipation and join the 21st century Erik Prince can give them some pointers on corporate rebranding for their aging PMC logo which predates even EO & Sandline.
Urban Heeb.
what are your sources for iranian military in neighboring countries (not alliances with guerilla forces like hezbollah, etc.)?
What the hell are you talking about? They invaded Greece, our great strategic ally, only 2-1/2 thousand years ago! We must strike back! We are under attack!
......and the same with Ho Chi Minh in the late 40's. He wanted to pattern his new constituion after ours, but no, we rejected his overtures and sent him into the arms of the Communists, who were more thn happpy to help him give the boot to the French.
ho chi minh was a founding member of the french communist party in the 1920's, but your larger point is very well taken. he tried to get recognition for vietnam at the peace talks ending ww1, citing the wilsonian proclamations about u.s. principles but was rebuffed. things were salvageable at least as late as the geneva peace treaty of 1954 "ending" the french occupation of vietnam, imo eisenhower's worst mistake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
' During this period hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers were murdered and 20,000–80,000 men, women and children were raped[1] by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.[2][3][4]'
Iranian Rapper, Other Women, Tell of Rape and Torture Following 2009 Green Revolution'http://artistsspeakout.com/2011/06/iranian-rapper-other-women-tell-of-ra...
Misunderstood... right
rape is a form of punishment, usually but not always reserved for women - it's a way for the rapist to exercise their power over.
there are soldiers raping in Iraq and Afghanistan even now, raping both the locals and their fellow female soldiers, in the same forces uniforms.
this has been forever, wherever there is a show of force, military or otherwise, there will be the "humiliation" of a rapist, doing his work on behalf of those who despise humanity.
What a load of blind crap.
It's a way for a rapist to forcibly get their rocks off.
Why is this so hard to accept?
Why does everyone feel theyhave to make up some alternative motive with "deep" 'psychological' disturbance connotations involved?
Rape is not some 'weapon of war', that's just complete bullshit!
It's a common act of forced sex, perpetrated by ordinary human beings.
What?! ... soldiers do it to?
Egad! ... could it be that they're more able to wield force, to make people have sex against their will?
no ... it must be some new organised systematic military strategy to punish and humiliate the victim.
Sorry, its about having a forced fuck.
why imagine that rape implies a "motive with "deep" 'psychological' disturbance connotations involved?" "It's a common act of forced sex, perpetrated by ordinary human beings." common, ordinary. not a sign of psychological disturbance.
let's guess. you're male and a great lover? one out of two?
Are you trying to somehow assert (without asserting) that what I said is not the real reason why rapes occur in war, and in peace?
Let me guess jeff; you can't face that I'm right on this?
You can pretend it's otherwise if you wish, that there are other dominant motives than sex drive and force, but I don't see how it will help you or anyone else to bury your head in the sand.
As for it being 'common' and 'ordinary', and your sundry pitifully stupid comments, get real, have a look at Cathartes Aura's comments above mine, who said;
i.e. sounds somewhat 'common' and 'ordinary' to me.
These idiots (the "it's about power" chorus) seem to have forgotten what the reason is for having sex. Let me remind you: it's to make babies, otherwise known as, perpetuate ypur genes. Anything else is secondary. Your genes don't give a shit whether it's by candlelight and wine, or a good healthy raping. They just want to be perpetuated.
Rape is a strategy for passing on your genes, that's all. Any baggage we attach to it is just opinion.
I've spent too much time in the chicken yard. I admire roosters. They fuck all day long, and it's rape every single time. They have to force the hen. If they don't, their genes don't get passed on. Simple.
Those uniformed rapists in Afghanistan are roosters leaving their genes behind in a far-away place. They are also at much higher risk of imminent death than you or I, thus it is sensible to get those genes out there immediately, and as often as possible. They are following a very sound reproductive strategy, on all counts.
Sorry to disagree, Element. Rape was used as a deliberate tactic by The Irgun and Stern gang to "encourage" Palestinian villagers to flee during the war of 1948. It was more effective than killing.
cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
or read The ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe.
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Take your pseudo intelligence back to the reservation and curl up with a smallpox blanket, a military decoration is NEVER a testament to character.
On a per capita, per square mile, per unit of GDP, or per year of sovereignty of the current political system- Iran is just as bad, if not worse, than the US.
It's Christmas and the towel headed mullahs are still propping up baby Bashar as he merrily massacres his own citizens. The US embassy bombing in Beirut was only fraction of the US casualties incurred in the Lebanese civil war, and rounding error in the overall carnage of Iranian meddling in the region since the current State was born. Let's not forget the "golden era" of Airline hijackings back before some rich Yemeni decided to change the model and eliminate the surprise endings. The Iranians meddling in their own neighbors affairs make US atrocities in the western hemisphere in the "war on drugs" look downright impotent.
Iran is state that has espoused extra-territorial State-sponsored terrorism since the day it was born; at least the US has had fleeting moments of relative isolationism.
Cutting the cord on the Apollo chair sounds good in theory, but its utter bullshit when one uses that very cord as the next instrument of State torture.
I am intelligent and able to think for myself, and I form my opinions based on what I witness first hand and what is shared by those I trust, not what I read in a book.
You must live inside a fox news studio then.