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Iran Begins Straits of Hormuz Wargames

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As was reported yesterday, Iran has now officially commenced its 10 day wargame exercise in the Straits of Hormuz. What happens next is 10 days in which one false move, either planned or false flagged, can have some serious (if required by the status quo) consequences: after all WTI is at $100, and the ECB has quietly "printed" $700 billion in the past 6 months, with the Fed not far behind - there has to be some implicit backstop to keep crude from soaring once it becomes clear that print mode is on, and the only way that can happen is the "possibility" of expanded oil supply through control of the main supply channels. From Reuters: "Iran began 10 days of naval exercises in the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday, raising concern about a possible closure of the world's most strategic oil transit channel in the event of any outbreak of military conflict between Tehran and the West. The military drill, dubbed "Velayat-e 90", comes as the tension between the West and Iran is escalating over the Islamic state's nuclear programme. Iranian authorities have given no indication the strait will be closed during the exercise, and it has not been shut during previous drills. "Displaying Iran's defensive and deterrent power as well as relaying a message of peace and friendship in the Strait of Hormuz and the free waters are the main objectives of the drill," Sayyari said. "It will also display the country's power to control the region as well as testing new missiles, torpedoes and weapons."

Some analysts and diplomats believe the Islamic Republic could try to block the strait in the event of any war with the West over suspicions it is seeking atom bombs. Iran's arch-foes Israel and the United States have not ruled out military action if diplomacy and sanctions fail to rein in Iran's nuclear work.


Iran says it wants nuclear energy only for peaceful ends.


"The enforcement of the decision to close of the Strait of Hormuz is certainly within Iran's armed forces' capability, but such a decision should be made by the country's top authorities," Iranian Navy commander Habibollah Sayyari was quoted as saying by the semi-official ILNA labour news agency.


Iran has said in the past that it would respond to any attack by targeting U.S. interests in the region and Israel, as well as closing the strait, the only access channel for eight U.S.-aligned, Gulf Arab states to foreign markets.


"Velayat" is a Persian word for "supremacy" and it is currently used as a title of deference for the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Those wishing to follow up to date developments on the wargames, and any potential surprises, can do so via the Press TV site.


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Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:44 | 2009196 Long-John-Silver
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BOOM! Bitchez!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:40 | 2009261 BandGap
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C'mon, what could go wrong?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:20 | 2009372 Oh regional Indian
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Well bandgap, there is the matter of this, that or the third thing. Any one of them or, it could be an unknown unknown.

But, then again, those are pretty good odds eh?

Obamamanamana does not want to fight, he is so Noble.



Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:53 | 2009410 wanklord
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The only plausible way by which Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) could justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental United States: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians.

This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to subsequently be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran’s IRGC and Pakistan’s ISI.

Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The psychological impact of this event will elicit the brute and ignorant populace to demand a massive retaliation against the alleged perpetrators (explicitly Iran); the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these mules in order to further their agenda.

Absent of this essential prerequisite (a false flag operation), President Soetoro will find virtually impossible persuading US Congress to issue a formal declaration of war.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:46 | 2009470 GiantVampireSqu...
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Video not on you-tube.  State censorship?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 21:09 | 2009654 markmotive
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One mindless miscalculation could easily lead to WWIII

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 18:58 | 2009580 lolmao500
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Except a dirty bomb wouldn't kill dozens of thousands. At most a few thousands.

And it would be a ``credible`` false-flag since a dirty bomb is the only thing they can come up with and the CIA will say ``it was possible``.

And of course they'll say how it came from Mexico, so US troops need to go into Mexico and wipe out the cartels because they helped Iran or some BS like that.

And of course, they will have to hire hundreds of thousands of TSA to inspect every car in North America.

They will go full East Berlin on our asses.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 19:36 | 2009599 trav7777
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a dirty bomb would be lucky to kill a dozen.  Period.

As for east berlin, good luck getting enough snitches on the payroll...already the hippies and TP oldies are protesting

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:07 | 2009805 CompassionateFascist
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ZOG will plant one of Israel's - or our - real ones in a Muslim suburb of, say, Detroit. BOOM. Then TPTB will produce evidence that an "Iranian terror cell" was building one there, it went off..." etc. Insta-War.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:35 | 2010788 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Or it's the state of Michigan ending it's budget crisis, and putting GM/Detroit out of it's misery. Hell, hit Flint as well, and they could balance the budget! Maybe Gary, IN, and Cleveland could be targets for false flag/SNAP benefits lowering?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:44 | 2009843 Buck Johnson
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Your probably right, they want Iran big time because they know once the reactor goes hot it will be no time at all that they will have a nuclear device.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:02 | 2009867 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Wanklord copies and pastes more drivel. He's been posting this particular boilerplate since July 16, 2011, if not earlier. His spewage isn't limited to zerohedge. He's posted this comment to a variety of sites, from to, sometimes as wanklord and sometimes as somon.

(For reference, try a google search for the phrase "most likely a controlled nuclear explosion", including the quotes.)

He never reads followups to his own comments, and probably nothing more than the title of the article on which he is commenting. I'm not sure if his postings have any real purpose, because they fall into that grey area between annoying kook and retarded interloper.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:12 | 2010034 jeff montanye
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and i believe he libels mules, who are notoriously independent minded (and cannot reproduce), quite different from the caricature of the docile u.s. citizen he otherwise paints.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 02:37 | 2009936 Breaker
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Since when did Congress' power to declare war (or the War Powers Act) have any influence on Obama? The later was passed to constrain Republican presidents. Pretty much everyone knows that a Democrat president may ignore it and suffer no consquences.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:56 | 2009481 BandGap
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Right, and it's Christmas. No one starts wars during the Holidays.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:04 | 2009799 CompassionateFascist
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ex. Yom Kippur

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:19 | 2009885 FrankDrakman
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And Tet.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:16 | 2010038 jeff montanye
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as andrew card noted in similar circumstances, you don't introduce new products in august.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:31 | 2010180 King_of_simpletons
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Disgusting. Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and now Iran. Where does propaganda and delusion end.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:58 | 2009357 IrritableBowels
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Isn't this a great opportunity for Iran? Assuming no false flags carried out by the US, Iran has the ability to conduct extended war drills without compromising oil distribution through Hormuz. (un)Naturally, the mainstream led, Muslim fearing population expecting the worst, get shocked when Ahmadinejad makes no threatening moves, nor does the strait close. I think these situation could be capable of diffusing, to some extent, Americans' contempt for the country through their subconsciousness psyches.

Then again we could be witnessing the catalyst leading to WWIII. Time will tell...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:45 | 2009197 High Plains Drifter
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hey trav........check it about this one........


OIL BITCHEZ ...............

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:49 | 2009200 Sudden Debt
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Nono, democracy my patriot friend.
You kind of look like somebody who can carry a gun. Don't wanna join the game?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 18:59 | 2009583 lolmao500
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And how about this one... 120 000 protesters in Moscow with Gorbachev calling for Putin to resign...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:47 | 2009199 Sudden Debt
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Send 4 carriers to x4!
10000 troops to y7
Nuke d2

I just love stratego :)

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:33 | 2009247 GMadScientist
Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:06 | 2009428 11b40
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Stratego this.....50,000 mines floating with the currents in the gulf and all around the Straits of Hormuz.  Let just one tanker blow, and the world will have quite a 'situation'.  Try getting insurance on an oil shipment.  Even getting a tanker and crew would be a problem.

Those mines are cheap, easy to build, as destruvtive as you want to make them, simple to move around and set lose under cover of darkness, easily stored and stockpiled, constantly moving with the water's flow, and very hard to detect.  Silent death & destruction that leave no fingerprints.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:34 | 2009835 RichardP
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Better find some country to build a pipeline through.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:59 | 2009861 Element
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Don't know if you are aware but many modern mines don't float about. Most are tethered to the bottom unless a tether breaks. Minesweepers traditionally tried to cut tethers so they came to the surface, where they could be seen and destroyed.

Newer ones may sit on the bottom and look like mud, or rock, or seaweed, and will only rise to hit a target when they detect one, via ballast control. Very hard to clear an area of such disguised stealth-mines.  Else they have batteries, CPUs and hydrophones, and a high performance propulsion system. i.e. they're basically self-deploying multipurpose torpedos, that can operate in a 'sea mine' mode, where they can sit on the bottom or even in the water-column, and wait a few years for their target, or else they can 'swim' back to self-recovered, if not used.

These types of weapons can be sewn by subs, surface vessels, or from the air, via dedicated naval patrol aircraft, or via palletised drops out the back of transports, with a cheap GPS guidance system attached to a stand-off gliding-parachute, that can glide for many kilometres to deliver them within meters of where you want them.

The Iranians have spent decades developing a devastating mine warfare option. They would certainly use a wide mix of very old and very new mine tech and diverse and novel delivery mechanisms, to maximise the difficulty of clearance.

Try clearing a vast area with 6 or 7 different types of old and new sea mines present. Bet you can't do it quickly. It would take many months to several years.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:27 | 2010039 jeff montanye
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thanks for the detail.  the global economic system is so fragile it seems such a simple military move as mines sown in the gulf would bring it to its knees.  our military is so prepared for threats that are obsolete and so unprepared (?) for those that seem more likely.  how much better off would we be trying at least half hard to defuse them through changed policy vis a vis israel, iraq, iran, afghanistan, pakistan and kashmir et. al.?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 07:55 | 2010104 Element
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What? ... you mean end up with actual peace on Earth and goodwill to all men? ... jeez mate ... lay off the egg-nog ... ;-)

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 20:23 | 2010820 Milestones
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Smart post. Thanks.         Milestones

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:49 | 2009201 ElvisDog
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Sorry, I'm not buying it. This will be another non-event, like the periodic "Israel is about to attack Iran" stories.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:56 | 2009206 Sudden Debt
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We'll get in. No question about it, and now it will even be a joined attack.
America and Nato will bomb them together. Nato might even take the lead this time to show the world that europe supports the american dream100%

Nothings for nothing

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:17 | 2009229 eatthebanksters
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I hope someone get ths balls to drop a laser guided big ass bomb right on the head of the Ayatollah an his puppet Achmed-nut-job. Just do it and shut those fuckers up....maybe then the rest of the despots in the world would think a little before popping off.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:27 | 2009241 Think for yourself
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If you were to actually follow your own line of thinking and make an example of the worlds' arch-despots, you'd have to drop the bomb on Washington D.C., the City of London district or the Vatican, depending on your view of things. Khomeini and Achmadinejad are fucking babies pissing in the kiddies' pool by any comparison.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:36 | 2009255 john39
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none of that would do any good unless you decapitate the real forces behind this, Tel Aviv.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:48 | 2009348 Think for yourself
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I won't argue for or against this, after all I'm just a fucking goyim and am a far cry from any chance of deciphering what's really going on...

But I'd like to say that the best (as in relatively simple, substantiated, fitting and explaining the facts) conspirationial theory of history of which I'm aware is the masonic luciferian (of the Grand Orient Lodges fame) conspiracy. This theory states that (with a certain degree of substantiation) Israel was planned more than a century ago as a trojan horse of hegelian dialectic, the beachhead of the luciferians' provocation of radical islam/communism (itself shaped through the same dialectic) to be faced against capitalism/judeo-christianity in the final world war, assuring mutual, complete destruction.

This of course to leave absolute global statism as the only ideology left to look up to (or down on), which is the point where their goal is reached. 

While I do see Zionist Israel as a problem of biblical proportions, engendering many problems downstream in the realm of effects, it itself remains an effect and not the causes that are the source of the stream itself. So I don't think that decapitating these forces would have such an effect anyways, just like throwing a boulder in a river will not stem the source and it will just flow around it. It cannot have such an effect, not when Israel has already played its role and is nearly ready to be sacrificed in a major middle-east conflagration. At least these are my humble 2 cents.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:15 | 2009368 john39
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well, it sure is nice of those zionist talmudists to control the world financial system on behalf of their evil islamic masters (who are not allowed to practice usury)...  if you get what i mean. /s

in all seriousness, if you want to get a better feel for who the real luciferians might be, take a good look at the talmud. 


Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:22 | 2009373 Think for yourself
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I think you are, willfully or not, confounding my argument.
The luciferian masters are temporarily zionists because this is the current necessary step to create the next conflagration in their chain of hegelian dialectic. Both islamists and judeo-christians have been manipulated by the zionists as tools to be used against each other and discarded - I cannot even begin to comprehend how you could have understood that I said the zionists control the world for their islamic masters.

Once these ideologies have been thoroughly destroyed by the luciferians, then they can move on to absolute global statism = collectivism, or the True Doctrine of Lucifer. 

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:30 | 2009381 john39
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i understood you, but I lay blame on those i find most culpable.  i don't think that they are temporarily zionist.  zion would be the capital of the NWO, and it would be in Israel.  its all outlined in the talmud, divide and conquer.   luciferian worship is almost as old as mankind, at least in what remains of recorded history.  i just get tired of hearing about how the vatican, or the jesuits, or any other johny come lately strawmen, are to blame...  when the real bad actors (as opposed to the manipulated pawns) are hidden in plain view.  Interestingly enough, Iran appears to be one of the last countries standing that still gets it, and is prepared to fight.  i think Putin gets it as well.  not sure about the Chinese.  but even inside Russia, there are vast shadow apparatus prepared to try and take over when the time is right, which seems to be in the very near future.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:48 | 2009401 Think for yourself
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Well then, I respect your opinion. As I said I'm far from having figured it out and your ideas do fit with the basic premises - however I do feel that the jesuits embody the strongest form of luciferianism so far, whose worship can take many forms as it infects different ideologies through time, what with their doctrine "the bible has value only because the pope states it is so" and that the pope is the sole salvation of our souls. Perfect starting point for absolute world statism (although the Baha'i "faith" is an even more recent newcomer which embodies same with a thin veneer of multiculturalism).
I just don't see how they couldn't be gunning for the geographical destruction of Israel at the same time as the rest. Shit's crazy. Definitely an interesting fog of war to try to peer in.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:01 | 2009421 Oh regional Indian
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Very interesting exchange.

Perhaps the thing to recognize is that we, regardless of religion, have lived the Christian Age. THe Piscean age was essentially the Biblical Age.

And we seem bent upon fulfilling it's End-time prophecies to a T. Teh Vatican is the root of the Common Era. They control the calendar. Enough said.

Those that will or can not be converted will be slaughtered.

Bottom fishing in the end of the age of Pices!


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:40 | 2009837 RichardP
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Is that a regional Indian thing - fishing for bottoms?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:42 | 2010048 jeff montanye
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no.  nearly a universal one.  it's an area of interest.  

god is the greatest punster, "he" made the organs of generation the organs of elimination (source?).

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:05 | 2009427 john39
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you and i are not far off in our views, i agree.  no fan of the jesuits here either.  interestingly the jesuit order appears to have been formed by a crypto zionist.  as you point out, there is more misinformation out there than truth, so sorting though all this is problematic.  but patterns do emerge over time.  Loyola appears to be one of many crypto zionists who infiltrated the church for obvious reasons.  Certainly he wasn't the first, the council at nicea was all about hijaking the real teachings of Christianity, but that is an aside.   the point being, that its not possible to take anything at face value.   same thing happened in Islam... wahabbi islam appears to be a zionist creation as well (need a good enemy and need to smear and pervert the true teaching of Islam).  the saudi royal family are cryptos...  seems that there is a crypto under every rock out there.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:17 | 2009446 11b40
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Sat, 12/24/2011 - 18:54 | 2009574 Cast Iron Skillet
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I'm waiting for the Pastafarians ...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 17:21 | 2009501 Iwanttoknow
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So is Turkey i.e. Donmeh.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 20:54 | 2009647 Cathartes Aura
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thank you for this exchange - you do your moniker proud Think for yourself. . .

always like to read posts from folk who are able to take all sides into consideration, yet still argue from their own perspective(s)


Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:35 | 2009760 Think for yourself
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Thank you. That you recognize this is only a sign that you are able of the same, for yourself. Namaste and merry christmas!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 21:13 | 2009658 High Plains Drifter
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interesting video on zionism and theordor herzl who at one time wanted all jews to present themselves to the vatican so they could "convert" to "christianity"   


and how they have been in conflict with religious jews in israhole and elsewhere i guess. technically , to me anyway, they are about a godless all powerful state with the trappings of secular judaism. they seem to pick and choose what is good for their cause etc.....


in the above video, one must listen to the usual propaganda in some respects but nevertheless it is a very interesting and enlightening video. goes into detail on herzl's diary etc and jabotinsky and his feelings on jews etc...and the inner workings of the beginnings of zionism and the early leaders in israhole and then onward till this very day and the present day struggle for power between religious jews and secular jews.........

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:29 | 2009889 Element
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No such thing as a 'secular jew'.

It's a contradiction of terms.  

If Judaism is a religion, and a tribe/race, how could being a Jew ever be 'secular'?

If they really were 'secularists', they would not all be zionists.

And then they claim to not be zionists either!

Yet almost every Jew I've ever met, who professed to being secular, turned out to be a rabid zionist supporter.

The 'secular Jew' is just a convenient myth used to blend in better and gain acceptance. They use that term to brainwash us to believe they really are secular.

But when push comes to shove, they're not secularists at all.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:55 | 2010057 jeff montanye
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you need to meet different jews.  check out this face off between the jews eliot spitzer and glenn greenwald:

and for a (very) comprehensive list of anti-zionist jews, see this  what great credibility since the list is generated as a hate list by rabid zionists. 

p.s. (full disclosure) i'm not jewish.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:26 | 2010122 Element
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Ok Jeff, I over generalised, there are always some exceptions to every such statement. But generally, it is still true.

The Jewish diaspora needs a lot more Glenn Greenwald's and a a whole lot less of the AIPAC variety.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:11 | 2009813 CompassionateFascist
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David Icke strikes again: "kissinger is a repilian shape-changer". Nope. Just a Heeb.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:32 | 2009894 Element
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David Icke


Mother of all idiots

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:31 | 2009384 tradebot
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Bop em so hard they wouldn't think of screwing with you again...ever!  Like the same reason you wouldn't put your hand in a Pitt Bulls know what could just know better.

Stop being such a bunch of sissy' ain't gonna convince these pekerwoods that they would like you if they only knew you better. 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:57 | 2010060 jeff montanye
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who's "em"?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:40 | 2009838 Drunken Monkey
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I think the ground wire from your tinfoil hat has become disconnected. Please reattach it to the cold water pipe.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 02:50 | 2009942 Breaker
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"This theory states that (with a certain degree of substantiation) Israel was planned more than a century ago as a trojan horse of hegelian dialectic, the beachhead of the luciferians' provocation of radical islam/communism (itself shaped through the same dialectic) to be faced against capitalism/judeo-christianity in the final world war, assuring mutual, complete destruction."

On a dark street corner somewhere in Eastern Europe in 1911.

"Well, Moishe, don't you think Hegel needs to ride in on a trojan horse?"

"Oy. You mix your metaphors, Eli. But you'd be a real mensch if you would set up a final war between radical islam/communism and capialism/Judeo Cristianity, say, in a hundred years. It would be great if they would mutually destroy each other."

"OK. Will do. What, by the way, is radical Islam? And aren't we the "Judeos?" Let's keep it simple and just get some blood from Christian children now for dinner."

Listen to yourself. This is ridiculous to even repeat.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:33 | 2010042 The Heart
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Give this man a cigar. You hit the nail on the head with this one and it will most probably go over most people heads and they will never understand, or the israelites understand how horribly they were set up. Just like the USA is to lose the next World War. The US is the new Nazis and israel is the spark that was created to start the final war to eliminate most of the worlds populations.

Yep, this will never be picked up on and exposed.

Still, it is good to see others are getting it right. Great post!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:05 | 2010063 jeff montanye
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wasn't breaker's point that the conspiracy is too convoluted and distant in time from its object? ("they will never understand, or the israelites understand how horribly they were set up. Just like the USA is to lose the next World War. The US is the new Nazis and israel is the spark that was created to start the final war to eliminate most of the worlds populations.")

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:35 | 2010043 The Heart
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Dup post, BINGO!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:42 | 2010795 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You are talking about Albert Pike, the only Confederate to have a statue in D.C. I'm not stating that I'm a "Pikist", only that his writings and Masonry were the outline of your statement about Israel.  It is VERY creepy to read his work, and about him. My advice if you like his writings, short Goldman Sachs, long ham....

His quote

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:43 | 2010796 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Also, I know he founded the KKK, so please do not whip me on this. I am NOT a fan, just know the reference.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 22:45 | 2010966 Tompooz
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"after all I'm just a fucking goyim"

Me too. But Goyim is plural. Goy is the singular form.

Agree that "decapitation" will not work when the rot has gone global. 

Happy New Year.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:47 | 2009849 hivekiller
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The real forces behind this are not in Tel Aviv. That's just their hideout if everything goes to shit. No they are in Germany, the City of London, New York, Switzerland, etc.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:54 | 2009283 americanspirit
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Excellent point TFY - in fact I'm wondering if any of these 'kill the camel jockeys' folks can pinpoint a single thing that Iran has actually done to Americans that can compare in magnitude to what we've done to them since 1953. When I was young there were lots of guys who wanted nothing more than to go "kill the Cong", and we all know how that turned out. And what precisely did the Vietnamese do to us to justify that war? (And please don't point to the Gulf of Tonkin 'incident'.)

ZH is supposed to be a place where intelligent people can reason together but I'm afraid it has become severely infested with warmongers who are so blinded by this country's intense disinformation propaganda that they are literally unable to think for themselves.

I highly recommend that any such mentally deficient jingomeisters read "War Is A Racket" by USMC Major General Smedley Butler, holder of TWO Medals of Honor. It is so easy to find a free download of this book ( try that anyone who spouts off about killing anybody in a patriotic fervor without having read this book must be discounted as a raving lunatic.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:14 | 2009309 topcallingtroll
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The ayatollahs in their early idealism had abolished the military as a threat to the people.

Then Saddam Hussein saw an opportunity and attacked them unprovoked. We ended up suporting Hussein.

Now the Ayatollahs are quite militaristic.
It didnt have to be that way.

We owe them an apology for everything we have done to them since helping overthrow a democratically elected government in 1953 and providing support for the Shah.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:52 | 2009408 fuu
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America also supported Iran during that war. 

"Mr. Regan recalls the President authorizing the shipment of 500 TOW's on October 29, 1986.

Because of a delay in the transfer of funds the TOW's actually delivered to 
Iran on October 29, 1986, were Israeli TOW's. The 500 U.S. TOW's were provided to Israel as replacements on Novembr 7."

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:26 | 2009377 El Viejo
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The same thing could have been said about the Japanese before Pearl Harbor. After all we wouldn't sell them oil so they had to invade Manchuria and China. The Japanese and Iranians were and are so misunderstood.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:38 | 2009388 john39
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The Iranians have not invaded anyone in a very long time....  contrast that with the wars that the U.S. has instigated in just the last few decades...  all in the name of freedom and democrazy...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 17:04 | 2009462 Urban Redneck
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Here's a simple question for you, which country- Iran or the US has the greater share of its forces in neighboring & regional sovereign states at this moment?  "Invaded" , "is" , "sexual relations" ... word games- nothing more.  "Very Long Time" is another interesting one.  Unlike Iraq, Afganistan and certain strategic rock piles around the Straight of Hormuz (some of which are the internationally recognized property of other sovereign States) have never attacked Iran.  Then there is also the whole colorful history of Abu Musa with the Iranian invasions and Iranian treaty violations regarding its non-militarization... But perhaps you have a double standard for the dumb little sand niggers- since they obviously can't be expected to perform at the same level as the Great Satan itself... and for them "very long time" is only a few minutes, as opposed to a "few decades"?


Sat, 12/24/2011 - 17:22 | 2009503 john39
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How many hundred bases does the US maintain in other countries? How about Iran?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 18:28 | 2009557 Urban Redneck
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Iran also has hundreds, the easiest ones to spot are the ones with the yellow flag with the green AK on them, perhaps when the Persians get over their 5000 year constipation and join the 21st century Erik Prince can give them some pointers on corporate rebranding for their aging PMC logo which predates even EO & Sandline.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:14 | 2009815 CompassionateFascist
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Urban Heeb.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:14 | 2010067 jeff montanye
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what are your sources for iranian military in neighboring countries (not alliances with guerilla forces like hezbollah, etc.)?  

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:48 | 2010388 Socratic Dog
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What the hell are you talking about?  They invaded Greece, our great strategic ally, only 2-1/2 thousand years ago!  We must strike back!  We are under attack!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:16 | 2009440 11b40
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......and the same with Ho Chi Minh in the late 40's.  He wanted to pattern his new constituion after ours, but no, we rejected his overtures and sent him into the arms of the Communists, who were more thn happpy to help him give the boot to the French. 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:25 | 2010070 jeff montanye
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ho chi minh was a founding member of the french communist party in the 1920's, but your larger point is very well taken.  he tried to get recognition for vietnam at the peace talks ending ww1, citing the wilsonian proclamations about u.s. principles but was rebuffed.  things were salvageable at least as late as the geneva peace treaty of 1954 "ending" the french occupation of vietnam, imo eisenhower's worst mistake.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 20:06 | 2009616 adhoc99
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' During this period hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers were murdered and 20,000–80,000 men, women and children were raped[1] by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.[2][3][4]'

Iranian Rapper, Other Women, Tell of Rape and Torture Following 2009 Green Revolution'

Misunderstood... right


Sat, 12/24/2011 - 21:08 | 2009653 Cathartes Aura
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rape is a form of punishment, usually but not always reserved for women - it's a way for the rapist to exercise their power over.

there are soldiers raping in Iraq and Afghanistan even now, raping both the locals and their fellow female soldiers, in the same forces uniforms.

this has been forever, wherever there is a show of force, military or otherwise, there will be the "humiliation" of a rapist, doing his work on behalf of those who despise humanity.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:48 | 2009908 Element
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What a load of blind crap.

It's a way for a rapist to forcibly get their rocks off.

Why is this so hard to accept?

Why does everyone feel theyhave to make up some alternative motive with "deep" 'psychological' disturbance connotations involved?

Rape is not some 'weapon of war', that's just complete bullshit!

It's a common act of forced sex, perpetrated by ordinary human beings.

What?! ... soldiers do it to?

Egad! ... could it be that they're more able to wield force, to make people have sex against their will?

no ... it must be some new organised systematic military strategy to punish and humiliate the victim.

Sorry, its about having a forced fuck.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:37 | 2010074 jeff montanye
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why imagine that rape implies a "motive with "deep" 'psychological' disturbance connotations involved?"    "It's a common act of forced sex, perpetrated by ordinary human beings."  common,  ordinary.  not a sign of psychological disturbance.

let's guess.  you're male and a great lover?  one out of two?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:39 | 2010129 Element
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Are you trying to somehow assert (without asserting) that what I said is not the real reason why rapes occur in war, and in peace?

Let me guess jeff; you can't face that I'm right on this?

You can pretend it's otherwise if you wish, that there are other dominant motives than sex drive and force, but I don't see how it will help you or anyone else to bury your head in the sand.

As for it being 'common' and 'ordinary', and your sundry pitifully stupid comments, get real, have a look at Cathartes Aura's comments above mine, who said;


"... there are soldiers raping in Iraq and Afghanistan even now, raping both the locals and their fellow female soldiers, in the same forces uniforms. ... this has been forever, wherever there is a show of force, military or otherwise ..."


i.e. sounds somewhat 'common' and 'ordinary' to me.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 13:19 | 2010441 Socratic Dog
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These idiots (the "it's about power" chorus) seem to have forgotten what the reason is for having sex.  Let me remind you: it's to make babies, otherwise known as, perpetuate ypur genes.  Anything else is secondary.  Your genes don't give a shit whether it's by candlelight and wine, or a good healthy raping.  They just want to be perpetuated.

Rape is a strategy for passing on your genes, that's all.  Any baggage we attach to it is just opinion.

I've spent too much time in the chicken yard.  I admire roosters.  They fuck all day long, and it's rape every single time.  They have to force the hen.  If they don't, their genes don't get passed on.  Simple.

Those uniformed rapists in Afghanistan are roosters leaving their genes behind in a far-away place.  They are also at much higher risk of imminent death than you or I, thus it is sensible to get those genes out there immediately, and as often as possible.  They are following a very sound reproductive strategy, on all counts.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 22:56 | 2010986 Tompooz
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Sorry to disagree, Element. Rape was used as a deliberate tactic by The Irgun and Stern gang to "encourage" Palestinian villagers to flee during the war of 1948. It was more effective than killing.


or read The ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 05:30 | 2011477 Element
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Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:23 | 2009450 Urban Redneck
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Take your pseudo intelligence back to the reservation and curl up with a smallpox blanket, a military decoration is NEVER a testament to character.

On a per capita, per square mile, per unit of GDP, or per year of sovereignty of the current political system- Iran is just as bad, if not worse, than the US. 

It's Christmas and the towel headed mullahs are still propping up baby Bashar as he merrily massacres his own citizens.  The US embassy bombing in Beirut was only fraction of the US casualties incurred in the Lebanese civil war, and rounding error in the overall carnage of Iranian meddling in the region since the current State was born.  Let's not forget the "golden era" of Airline hijackings back before some rich Yemeni decided to change the model and eliminate the surprise endings.  The Iranians meddling in their own neighbors affairs make US atrocities in the western hemisphere in the "war on drugs" look downright impotent. 

Iran is state that has espoused extra-territorial State-sponsored terrorism since the day it was born; at least the US has had fleeting moments of relative isolationism.

Cutting the cord on the Apollo chair sounds good in theory, but its utter bullshit when one uses that very cord as the next instrument of State torture.

I am intelligent and able to think for myself, and I form my opinions based on what I witness first hand and what is shared by those I trust, not what I read in a book.   

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 17:34 | 2009508 john39
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You must live inside a fox news studio then.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 18:45 | 2009564 Urban Redneck
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And what if I did? It certainly wouldn't make any smarter.  I actually value my freedom and my time too much to waste it staring at an idiot box.  Even if I didn't, I am fortunate enough to live in a Murdoch-Free Zone (no Fox, no Sky- at least w/o a dish).  We do have CNN International, which after about 3 minutes makes it glaringly obvious why the civilized world thinks the American inteligencia is a bunch of neanderthal retards out of a bad Hollywood talent agency.  What I can’t figure out is why the highest aspiration of the American “elite” is to suck European dick, all the European women I came across, before I settled down, much preferred the American variety. 

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 20:32 | 2009631 eatthebanksters
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I'm standing next to you locked and loaded UR...

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:41 | 2010376 americanspirit
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Intelligent, think for yourself, and don't trust books. Wow. Impressive.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 18:40 | 2010740 Urban Redneck
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It's Christmas and I'm feeling generous, so I will share some wisdom before I return to my normal pumpkin form when the clock strikes 12 CET in a few minutes.


When I was young, I would spend weekends at the office of a man who had been a Washington insider and Bohemian Grover since before FDR was elected president and Smedley was writing politically motivated memoirs.  Upon learning of whatever book I had recently been assigned to read for school, the man remarked that if I got to be his age, I too could decide what "history" was, and that I shouldn't believe everything I read, just because someone had went to the effort of publishing it and a teacher told me to read it.  The comment actually wasn't nefarious, but since this is ZH, and he was who he was, feel free to let the paranoia run wild...


A number of years later at the height of the Cold War, and before Al Gore had a chance to invent the internet, I was having dinner at the home of one the CIA bosses in Europe.  My host told me that if I wanted to pass the foreign service exam I should simply read magazines X & Y for a year, and I would pass with flying colors, but if wanted to know what was actually going on the world (without asking him impolite questions)- I should read newspapers A, B, C, however, before I wasted a single moment with any of these sources (99% of which was useless fluff, if not counter-productive, anyway) I needed to spend some serious time learning the nuances and other distinctions between observation/assumption, objectivity/subjectivity, and fact/opinion.


Fast forward to the 21st century-  the greatest misquote of the 21st century has already been written, published, and widely accepted as dogma and fact by all sides of the broad media outlets and amongst the posters and contributors at ZH alike- it is in one of your cherished books that people publish and I ridicule.  There are at least several dozen people in the world who could correct this but who are unlikely to do so if they haven't already.  I don't know whether to chuckle or to be saddened when I come across someone who clings to, or reiterates, this "truth" that is actually nothing more than a twisted joke to those who know better.  The handful of such examples that I have experienced over my career, despite being a self-imposed outsider for years has reinforced the lessons I was taught at a young age before I chose a different path.


Believe what you chose, but a book written by man is a means to achieve the author’s objective(s), it is not "truth"  

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 18:57 | 2009578 I Got Worms
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Spirit, my brother and dad (neo-con sheeple who want to bomb iran yesterday) are getting copies of "war is a racket" in their stockings tomorrow.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:44 | 2010380 americanspirit
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Hi IGW - now that's direct action! What an interesting family discussion you're going to have. Thank you for letting me know.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 20:19 | 2009625 adhoc99
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Actually I had hoped that ZH would be a place where people could reason together, but where all the views are one-sided and settled that is no environment for reasoned dialogue. No country is perfect, but it's not because of the high evil-ness that the U.S. has been in more wars than other states since the end of World War II. It's because the U.S. is the world's policeman by default, and I believe the U.S. assumed this role because of the carnage of the two world wars. It's easy to take for granted, sitting here now in relative peace and prosperity, that no major conflagrations have erupted on this planet in in over six decades. This was not the case in history before this era, and it's why serious scholars call this the Long Peace. Of course it's no guarantee of future peace, but war deaths since the U.S. became a superpower are down by a huge margin compared to any other era in world history, and it's because of the deterrent affect of the incredible war machine the U.S. has built and it's demonstrated willingness to use it on occasion. I don't know too many people that like or favor war, but only an idiot would believe that if the U.S. disengaged from the world there would be peace everywhere.  Come on - just think about it for a minute - there's been much brutality and violence throughout human history, all of course before there was a U.S. for ZHers to pillory, but all of us here have through the most peaceful and prosperous period mankind has ever enjoyed, and it's due in large part to Pax Americana. If you really want to a different perspective on this stuff, I encourage you to read 'The Better Angels of Our Nature - Why Violence Has Declined' by Stephen Pinker. Hopefully you're open-minded enough...


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:51 | 2010081 jeff montanye
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no, you're right, dropping bombs on people the president or some delagatee thinks are terrorists and killing them and/or their friends and neighbors is bound to work better than disengagement.  is it possible that the "most peaceful and prosperous period" was "peaceful" (ask the vietnamese or the africans or the ...) due to fear of thermonuclear weapons and not because of the wars fought since ww2?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:54 | 2010402 americanspirit
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Hi adhoc - I would give you ten green arrows up if I could for your well-reasoned commentary but may I point out that violence takes many forms and when you include economic, racial and gender-based exploitation and oppression under the definition of violence, as well as child slavery and a few other large categories of man's inhumanity to man, I think you would have to agree that violence is not decreasing anywhere in the world. As for Pax Americana, it is ( was) only the latest of Paxes, beginning with Rome and continuing through Brittania. Paxes are peaceful because people are enslaved and disenfranchised and only end when the empire, and its imperial soldiers, are defeated by revolutions of the oppressed. And by the way, I suggest that you talk to a few African-Americans and Native Americans about how peaceful and prosperous life has been for them over the past few centuries. You are clearly a bright person - open your eyes a little wider and try harder to spot the pre-programmed parts of your thinking. But don't stop - I think you are an exceptional voice, worth listening to.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 21:22 | 2009664 eatthebanksters
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TFY, it's clear we have a difference of opinion as to the defintion of despot and I'll leave it at that.  I am, however, sure we both have the same definition for asshole, so you can think I'm an asshole and I'm fine with that.  I think you're a naive little puke who has no idea how real world works.  

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:22 | 2010168 Think for yourself
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Wow, this is your answer to my argument that D.C, the Vatican and the City of London (sadly you can't bomb corporations) would be much better arch-tyrants to make an example of? I would have expected at least some understanding on your part of why I stated the City of London considering your nickname... If a despot is someone ruling with absolute power and authority/exercising power tyrannically (as defined by merriam-webster) then you might want to reconsider why I might have said that.

Anyways, I don't think you're an asshole, but rather misguided, just like everybody else. Everybody has to go from the process of awaking from the sheeple by reassessing and weeding out the twisted conditionings that our twisted environment creates in us as we learn to cope with it.

I just don't think you've gone far yet if you are filled with such aggression and resort to such simple argumentative fallacies - you avoid discussing why and how our perceptions of despot vary, which would allow us move on from there with discussing why we went for the specific examples we cited... and then you devolve into an ad hoc, ad hominem.

Why should I care that you think I'm "a naive little puke who has no idea how real world works"? My ideas stand for themselves, so this has no relevance. Your rhetoric, however, is clearly too strongly identified with the ego and points out that this is not true for you.

So I'm not even going to fall into the trap and get an ego trip to list or explain my understanding of the world. Again, my ideas stand for themselves, so take it, leave it, or best of all for everybody confront your ideas with mine and integrate some kind of understanding of the encounter into your worldview.

Also, if you're honestly minded to better the world, start with yourself. You might want to peruse a list of informal fallacies and start eliminating the ones which you recognize you sometimes use. There's a reason the ancient greeks used to say, "dialectics is the sharpening stone of the mind".

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:41 | 2009264 alien-IQ
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So I guess all you want for Christmas is a nuclear war.

Please send your children to fight it.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:43 | 2009842 Drunken Monkey
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No need to send the kids anywhere, they deliver the war directly to your home town, and everyone elses :-{

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:17 | 2009312 Iconoclast
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You're a dick head..enjoy your Xmas..but you're still a dick head..

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:23 | 2009322 LookingWithAmazement
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Indeed. No crisis.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:50 | 2009474 Uber Vandal
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Everything is a non event until it isn't.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 20:21 | 2009626 cranky-old-geezer
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This will be another non-event,

I hope you're right, and ditto for any future so-called "provocations".

America and / or Israel taking serious action against Iran would bring Russian and China into it.  American can't afford that.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:59 | 2009862 hivekiller
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America and / or Israel taking serious action against Iran would bring Russian and China into it.  American can't afford that.


Part of the plan. The goal is to have Russia and China use their nukes against the US and destroy it. 

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:53 | 2009203 Sudden Debt
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Why don't they just surrender? Don't they realize we need their cheap fuel so we can launch more QE's without energy inflation?

Those guys are just party poopers...... SEND IN THE DRONES!!!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:16 | 2009311 topcallingtroll
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Damn right!

Why is our oil under their sand?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:29 | 2009380 Dugald
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 Why is our oil under their sand?

Cos God has a warped sense of humour........!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:56 | 2009416 espirit
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Whoops, made a mistake by forcing them into the barren wasteland without realizing the potential for natural resources.  Did the same thing to the American (not Amerikan) Indians.

F'ed up or what?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:58 | 2010412 americanspirit
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Because that's where all the dinosaurs died and turned into oil. There - that was easy. I love your sharp wit TCT - keep at it!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 18:58 | 2009579 Cast Iron Skillet
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"SEND IN THE DRONES!!!" ... well, we did ... and recently Obama had to ask nicely to maybe get one of them back ...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:52 | 2009204 Theta_Burn
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Lets hope that this dosn't turn into a giant yule log...for all our sakes

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:57 | 2009209 Josh Randall
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Oh boy something to watch on TV this Christmas Break! C'mon lets attack some people different than us! O' Come all ye Faithful...joyful and idiotic

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:59 | 2009213 Sudden Debt
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Pick a card! Brown, yellow or white!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:20 | 2009449 11b40
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Yes!  Give us some holiday shock & awe!  Maybe even some breathless 'embedded' TV reporters, too.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 12:58 | 2009210 Sudden Debt
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I'm off to my own party Merry christmas bitchez!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:01 | 2009215 Eally Ucked
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Is it Christmas or Season party?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:02 | 2009216 Gunga
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Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:08 | 2009220 virgilcaine
Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:08 | 2009221 navy62802
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On Christmas Eve, no less.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:11 | 2009222 Randall Cabot
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Debka reporting that Iran has crossed the line. Iran appears to believe that an attack could come at any time and the drills last week to close the Strait and now these big naval exercises are evidently war preperation:     


debkafile's Washington sources report that the Islamic Republic crossed the red line President Barack Obama had set for the United States, i.e., when Tehran begins using the technologies and fissile materials (enriched uranium) it has amassed for assembling a bomb or missile warheads. This marks the moment that Iran goes nuclear and only a short time remains before it has an operational nuclear weapon.



Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:35 | 2009250 Think for yourself
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Of course Debka will present whatever intelligence (without substantiation) slanted to Israel's and the international intelligence complex's benefit. If you sign up for their newsletter they send you invitations for money bombs aiming to increase representation of Israel's positions in the media, for fuck's sake!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:47 | 2009273 Randall Cabot
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No shit, Sherlock. Debka is probably the best source to keep tabs on what these warmonger bastards are up to.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:20 | 2009316 Think for yourself
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Preaching to the choir, my friend. Sorry, then, for my answer which didn't intend to hijack or demean you but from your original post it was quite unclear whether you considered that info legit or not. I guess that must be why you got some red arrows (not from me) from pointing out what is still, by itself, a vital data point that shows us the current state of the warmongers' rhetoric.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:23 | 2009321 topcallingtroll
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If the zionists have nuclear weapons it is hypocritical to say the iranians cant have them.

Korea is probably a bigger threat but the joos arent concerned with the interests and well being of america. They want us to focus on threats that concern them.

If we get into a war against Iran it will be time for another jewish pogrom. This time in the usa.

People are waking up to how our zionist masters are using us.

I understand now why joos end up being hated in their host countries. They are only loyal to themselves.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:09 | 2009363 Think for yourself
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I was coming in here to oppose your statement that Korea can be any threat to the US ( but stayed because of your bigoted comments.

As a traveller I've met shittons of awesome jews and israelis. Lots of them don't care much for the small minded us-vs-them mentality that forms the obsolete (yet still surviving) radical branch of their culture and don't mind spending their time surrounded and enjoying the presence of us goyim.

Which is why I always feel this spark of contempt for those who use the same methods of dehumanisation against the jews that they accuse the jews of using. It's too easy to fall in the trap of racism/ethnicism instead of actually identifying the ideologies responsible - zionism and luciferianism, for one. Or, historically speaking, the money-lenders that gave all jews a bad name.

Zionists, even when they call themselves Jews, don't mind it that the whole ethnicity takes the blame for their actions.  After all its a useful deflection and they don't care when anybody has to go to the chopping block in their stead.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 19:40 | 2009602 trav7777
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let them speak out like the "moderate muslims" never do against the excesses of their hardliners

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 19:08 | 2009587 Urban Redneck
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If there is civil war in the US I would come back and lend my efforts to ensuring that the virtuous side was victorious.


I have a number of Jewish friends who after doing their mandatory time in the IDF emigrated and set up comfortable lives in the US and Europe.  Even though they despised Sharon and his politics, when the Second Intifada rolled through, they put aside their political differences, personal prosperity and safety, and went to serve on the front lines - and these were BANKERS.  None of the WASP bankers I know who left the City moved back until after the IRA stopped wreaking havoc.


I don't begrudge groups for sticking together when they are under attack.  Lumping all the "joos" together reeks of the thought process that led to towel head Sikhs being attacked after 9/11. 


The misdirected attention also tends to provide cover the retreat for the true perpetrators of bad shit.



Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:38 | 2009259 alien-IQ
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They have good reason to believe the US/Israel will launch an attack.

In fact...the entire world should be concerned. And it starts with something like this:

US judge rules Iran responsible for 9/11


Read more:

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:55 | 2009285 Ima anal sphincter
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Ramp, ramp, ramp it up. Lies, lies, lies, fill the air. Terror, terror, terror in your minds. Kill, kill, kill them all.

Fucking U.S. government. Fucking Israeli government. Fucking bankers.


The people will soon speak their OWN words. Then this shit will stop.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:04 | 2009297 Yardfarmer
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It is my firm belief that the Honorable Judge George Daniels, civil servant of the United States, agent of the United States federal judiciary, and lifetime member of the United States Southern District Court has violated his professional duties and must be held accountable to the American public. It is the belief of many that he has acted inappropriately and incompetently as he has treated these claims with extreme carelessness and negligence amounting to “judicial malpractice”. 

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:18 | 2009313 alien-IQ
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In this system, you gotta fuck up to move up. This ruling will likely land him a spot in the US Supreme Court.

Remember, it's not a's a Kakistocracy.

kakistocracy n. , pl. , -cies . Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:02 | 2009422 fuu
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"If treason doth prosper, none dare call it treason."

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:16 | 2009227 LeBalance
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if the "false move" that precipitates global conflict is on page 48, paragraph 6 of the script, can it be called false or accidental?

Tora! Tora! Tora!

(is that a call sign meaning: "Are we on time?")

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:57 | 2009288 s2man
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We just need to cajole Iran into firing first, so we can blame them.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:20 | 2009232 DionysusDevotee
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Interesting that this will time with;
A) the clearing of US control over Iraq airspace
B) the "Ron Paul wins the Iowa Cacaus a few days later"
C) an "unprovoked attack" by Iran during Christmas would be a hell of a way to squash the "dovish" in this country

It would be totally unlike the US to sink one of thier own ships to try and start a war;

Spanish-American war, 1898: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish, claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba.

World War I, 1914-1918: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship.

World War 2, 1939-1945: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athenia near Britain with some 1100 passengers, of which 311 were Americans. The sea was calm and only 118 people on board lost their lives. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. This incident wasn't enough to precipitate war, and the Germans also refused to be provoked by several American acts of war.

Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened.

Operation Northwoods:  1962, never executed: A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces. a. Incidents to establish a credible attack;

  1. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires—
  2. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims

Nobody outside the military, and perhaps not even them, can say if it "wiil" happen, but if they want it to happen, this sure looks like the opportunity.


Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:27 | 2009239 Randall Cabot
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And the jewish attack on the USS Liberty where LBJ called back US fighters that were sent to rescue it!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:28 | 2009298 Ima anal sphincter
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I neither have the time or the patience to do something like this, but I think it would be a great idea. , Physically shit on their graves and post a picture. From the long string of traitors in this county's history, I'm sure there is a "prime" spot within a short driving distance from you.

Take a shit, post, explain WHY this person deserved it. Repeat.

LBJ is a few hours up the road from me.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:22 | 2009234 Royal Fleming
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we need to quit fiddle-fuckin around. bust out the electomagnetic railgun.  toys are for playin with, not lookin at.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:48 | 2009275 HungrySeagull
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Sorry. The Railgun is unavailible. It is under review due to the Polluting coal fired power plants used to test it.


Don't worry, it is a good weapon and will strike fear into our true enemies. I think they also created a laser that can burn through a theoratical 200 feet of solid steel in 4 seconds.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:31 | 2009702 Arrowhead
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yep. War is a huge part of human history. Why is everyone so shocked? It's what we do.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:23 | 2009236 nasa
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Is this a good enough excuse to raise the terror threat level to automatic cavity search at the airport this weekend? 

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 14:32 | 2009334 Rakshas
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I'm down..... Last night was bean burrito night at my house all chased down with a bottle of Johnny Rotgut



Sat, 12/24/2011 - 15:38 | 2009389 tradebot
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I have all my teeth and they are cavity free...thank you

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:28 | 2009237 Randall Cabot
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"there has to be some implicit backstop to keep crude from soaring once it becomes clear that print mode is on, and the only way that can happen is the "possibility" of expanded oil supply through control of the main supply channels."

So the US will start a war as a pretext to take over the Strait of Hormuz?

One reason why gasoline prices are so high in the US is because they have been closing the refineries which I always thought was strange and that there might be something  more sinister than greed behind it-like using it to get the public behind taking over the Strait of Hormuz and blurring that with attacking Iran.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:29 | 2009242 Sutton
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Don't pile up the carriers in the Gulf.  A massive bum rush by high and low tech iranian weapons will sink the Fleet in 10 minutes causing the greatest military defeat since Stalingrad. That Lezbo make out session by our Navy a couple of days ago  will be seen as The Kiss of Death.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:32 | 2009245 Divine Wind
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I got my tan on the shores of Iran.

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