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Iran Interest Rates Raised To 20% To Fight Hyperinflation; Iran Nuclear Scientist Killed In Street Bomb Explosion

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Yesterday we reported how as a result of a financial embargo enacted on by the US on New Year's Day, Iran's economy had promptly entered freefall mode and is now experiencing hyperinflation as the currency implodes. Today EA WorldNews gives us the response, which confirms that indeed the economy is in terminal shape following an interest rate hike to 20%. From the Source: "State news agency IRNA has no news on the Iranian currency this morning, but it does feature an interview with an official, noting the rise in interest rates to 20%. The effort is to reduce the flow of cash in the economy, but the official says it will increase capital investment by banks in an "impressive market"." As noted before, every incremental creep worse in the status quo merely makes the probability of escalation higher due to a lower opportunity cost of "irrationality" although we hope we are wrong. And in other unreported so far news, EA also informs us that in a street bomb explosion in Tehran earlier, one Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, deputy head of procurement at the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, was killed. Are predator drones now patrolling over the Iran capital? Who knows, but Iran is already spinning the news.

Tehran Bomb. Fars explains who is behind this morning's explosion killing a University professor and wounding two people (see 0700 GMT): "The Secret is in the Headlines --- American Diplomacy Seasoned with Terror":

 

As [US Secretary of State Hillary] Clinton condemned Iran's peaceful nuclear enrichment and a Council on Foreign Relations report claimed insufficient confidence in Iran, a terrorist incident occurred in Tehran."

 

Deputy Speaker of Parliament Mohammad Reza Bahonar condemned the bomb as an act of "global arrogance". Khabar Online adds that there were shouts of "Death to America" in the Majlis.

At this point we have lost count where in the escalation dance we are. As always keep an eye on Brent.

 

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Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:26 | 2053956 roy10
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The regime is imploding.  Embargo is already a success. Soon enough the people will turn against the regime. The days of the Ayatollahs are numbered.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:27 | 2053959 NewThor
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Let the Bilderberg Halliburton Blackwater Goldman Sachs FEAST BEGIN!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:30 | 2053966 pan-the-ist
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How are they going to "frame" this, what will they say publicly?  This could have been done by opposition within the country that strongly believes they are on the wrong track.  Who knows?  If it was done by a western country it is the most brazen thing I've heard of, but for all we know, the guy was a western spy and this was simpler for Iran than executing him.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:39 | 2053992 Oh regional Indian
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Is Roy10 above serious? 

I remember, when Afghanistan was launched post 9/11, I went with my then boss to his place in Kentucky, we had business in bordering Ohio, I forget where. 

Anyways, his Dad/Mom were Faux newsy, dyed int eh wool war-mongers. A couple of very large (good old Kentyucky hospitality) screwdrivers later, I stared at Faux, blaring from his and her TV separately, screamign war war kill kill. I said something in-opportune about how stupid the war was and how it would end really badly all around.

 

And this good doctor, this saver of lives lost it. We had a yellign match. But ever since, my mind numbs every time I see educated people calling for death and destruction. What justifies it? Who doesn't understand the manipulation?

Sad. See this is what I saw before Cairo happened...because those of us who knew, knew what a set-up that was. See how that ended. More martial law. 

Fools callign for blood cannot see the noose tightenign around their own necks...

Sad. You may say I'm a dreamer...

But what I sad below can be done, should be done. It's not new age hokum, it's age old hokum! 

ori

/my-vision-for-cairo-and-giza-4th-february-2011/

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:41 | 2054002 GeneMarchbanks
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ORI,

Please don't tell me you havent noticed the absolute exponential rise in trolls here and elsewhere? It's election season, get ready dude...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:44 | 2054015 Oh regional Indian
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Actually i have GMB. I have. Soul-factor pretty low in them thar trolls.

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:55 | 2054048 economics1996
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Here is a CIA assesment of the economy;

"Iran's economy is marked by an inefficient state sector, reliance on the oil sector, which provides the majority of government revenues, and statist policies, which create major distortions throughout the system. Private sector activity is typically limited to small-scale workshops, farming, and services. Price controls, subsidies, and other rigidities weigh down the economy, undermining the potential for private-sector-led growth. Significant informal market activity flourishes. The legislature in late 2009 passed President Mahmud AHMADI-NEJAD's bill to reduce subsidies, particularly on food and energy. The bill would phase out subsidies - which benefit Iran's upper and middle classes the most - over three to five years and replace them with cash payments to Iran's lower classes. However, the start of the program was delayed repeatedly throughout 2010 over fears of public reaction to higher prices. This is the most extensive economic reform since the government implemented gasoline rationing in 2007. The recovery of world oil prices in the last year increased Iran's oil export revenue by at least $10 billion over 2009, easing some of the financial impact of the newest round of international sanctions. Although inflation has fallen substantially since the mid-2000s, Iran continues to suffer from double-digit unemployment and underemployment. Underemployment among Iran's educated youth has convinced many to seek jobs overseas, resulting in a significant "brain drain.""

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:56 | 2054051 economics1996
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You can ingnore the laws of gravity only so long...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:32 | 2054197 tmosley
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You can ignore it as long as you live, then ignore them forever afterwards.  Of course, that crossover point is much closer if you choose to ignore it.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:40 | 2054226 I Got Worms
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Had to think about your post for a second, but I like it! If it was a bit shorter, I'd slap it on a bumper sticker.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:10 | 2054702 trav7777
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you can ignore the laws of gravity for the rest of your life

I love how there are now IEDs being used to assassinate scientists.  Sounds like terrorism.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:20 | 2054737 smiler03
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Holy Hell, there's something seriously amiss in the blogosphere, discussing gravity...

tmosley says "You can ignore it as long as you live"

trav7777 says "you can ignore the laws of gravity for the rest of your life"

Peace in our lifetimes?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:21 | 2054967 Jean
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Nothing "Improvised" about that bomb

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:08 | 2054346 ElvisDog
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What you wrote about the Iranian economy is why I never believed the "boots on the ground" nonsense about how U.S. soldiers were going to get trapped in a quagmire once we physically invaded Iran. There is no need to physically invade Iran when there are much easier ways to bring chaos and possibly regime change. Whatever you want to say about decline and problems the U.S. may have, they do still control the world financial markets and the administration and the CIA have shown that there are no limits to what they do in terms of eliminating key personnel of their perceived "enemies" or using financial tools as weapons of war.

Disclaimer: I'm not happy about or support what I wrote above, but I think it's the reality of the situation.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:45 | 2054016 pan-the-ist
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Gene, you're a child here compared to me, now go back to sleep.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:43 | 2054007 Oh regional Indian
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holy cow, I just remembered that the good doctor,s name was Roy too. Trippy.

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:54 | 2054044 ExpendableOne
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Those who want war should be given the opportunity to experience it first hand.  I long for the days when war meant the king and his knights rode at the head of the army.  Now, they just eat popcorn and watch it all unfold on the tube.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:08 | 2054095 kridkrid
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Either them or their children.  It should be a prerequisite for voting up on war... if we still voted and declared our wars... but that ship sailed.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:10 | 2054366 ElvisDog
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That really hasn't happened since the days of Henry V. Of course, as long as the nobles didn't get shot by an arrow or crossbow bolt they were pretty safe. If captured, they would be ransomed rather than killed.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:21 | 2054744 trav7777
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once more unto the breach, dear friends...

he was exceptional *because* he fought.  His peasants respected him and their bravery was admirable.  His example pretty much kept them in place at Agincourt in the face of attacking cavalry and 5-1 odds against them.  The French nobility was on the front lines in opposition.  Would that our present wars featured this arrangement.  By WW1, the peasant class got very tired of jumping to the bugle and getting cut into hamburger.

As an aside, Henry V claimed the throne of France, demonstrating again how the entire England/France history of war was a family feud.  Many, many people died so that nobles could settle pissing matches with their cousins, uncles, and brothers.  H5 was great grandson of the former King of France and married the present King's daughter.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:40 | 2054818 ElvisDog
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I much prefer a history thread to the tiresome zionism/anti-zionism shit that ZH posts often devolve into. Henry V had a very legitimate claim to the French throne. Edward III of England (Henry's great grandfather) had the strongest claim to the French throne when Philippe IV of France died, because he was the son of Phillipe's eldest surviving child (daughter). Henry V was obviously a direct descendant of Edward III and therefore also of Phillipe IV.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 15:06 | 2055415 Randall Cabot
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Try the Hannity forum.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:14 | 2054937 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Elvis Dog-There's a good book on this topic  (Advance to Barbarism) by Frederick J. Neale. 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:08 | 2054097 roy10
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How is an oil ambargo war again? Please don't let the facts confuse you.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:29 | 2054181 Mr Kurtz
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I see a little history lesson is in order. In July 1941, the US imposed an oil embargo Japan...and by December 7, 1941...well the rest is history.

 

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:32 | 2054193 roy10
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Iran is not Japan. Iran has no real military power.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:46 | 2054460 King_of_simpletons
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Huh ? Japan is forbidden from having a standing army written into its constitution.

I suppose this act would *not* be conveniently classified as "Terrorism".

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:42 | 2054543 Betty Swallsack
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Roy, roy, roy.  Yes, Iran is not Japan.  But Iran is NOT armed with spitballs and straws..

http://www.life.com/gallery/28542/image/86022357/irans-military-strangely-powerful#index/18

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:39 | 2054217 Element
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oh ... I thought it was just sanctions ... but your 'facts' confused you to call it an oil ambargo?

Listen shit-for-brains, 2-weeks in troll-baiter, USA embargoed Cuba in 1962 and this very nearly caused a thermonuclear exchange.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:42 | 2054234 roy10
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Then we're lucky Iran doesn't have nukes yet. Aren't we?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:54 | 2054296 Element
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Who's 'we'?  I'm not with you bud.

Like I said, you and your kike mates are in for a few surprises.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:58 | 2054307 roy10
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"We" is anybody who does not want to see a nuclear weapon explode on US territory and anybody who does not believe in a world ruled by Sharia law.

Clearly, that does not include you.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:59 | 2054648 my puppy for prez
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The only nuclear weapon that will hit the US will be courtesy of Russia or China....you can take that one to the bank (along with your troll paycheck).

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:22 | 2054747 trav7777
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the type of hyperbole you warmongers spew is shameful.

The nations with the capability to hit the entire US are all allies excepting Russia.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:34 | 2054372 Betty Swallsack
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Hey, Roy.  Watch.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dXyD8rHmq4&feature=player_embedded#!

Oh, and let us not forget this one, as of this past Sunday...warning: doublespeak contained within

'Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta told CBS’ Face the Nation that Iran has still not made the decision to build a nuclear bomb.  He said that time was running out as Iran is rushing for the scientific and technical ability to build a nuclear weapon, but as of yet the political establishment has not made the final decision.'

Hmm, how can they be 'rushing' to build a nuclear weapon, but haven't decided upon it yet?

http://www.inquisitr.com/177767/leon-panetta-iran-has-not-made-decision-to-build-nuclear-bomb-yet/

Wake up people.  Shoot your TV AND NOT your mouths.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:04 | 2054766 cranky-old-geezer
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As of Sunday Iran has 3 major nuclear powers on their side, Russia, China, and India, agreeing to buy Iranian oil in their respective currencies, bypassing USD completely.

It will bring Russian, Chinese, and Indian currency into Iran, shoring up Iranian currency.

...and it will bring all the freikin nukes Iran needs ...and the missiles to deliver them anywhere in the northern hemisphere ...which includes anywhere in America I believe.

If America tries to cut off Iranian oil to China ...or Russia or India... all hell will break loose and we'll be in WWIII ...thermonuclear WWIII.

Got your nuclear bomb shelter ready?   Stocked with years of food and water?

Hope so :)

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:12 | 2054927 Element
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So the question is; what did the banksters order Barry to do?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:51 | 2055076 foxenburg
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If America tries to cut off Iranian oil to China.......

 

I thought it was Iran threatening to cut off all oil from the gulf to everyone?? When did the US threaten to close the gulf?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 14:10 | 2055147 Element
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Come off it. The US said extremely clearly and with great volume back in late Novemeber that it was going to prevent all trade with Iran and all trade transactions, and that it expected all other countries to support the US's unilateral sanctions declaration.

Europe went along with the US, while many others rejected it. 

The US is now faced with using the USN to enforce sanctions on all via a blockade of Iranian oil trading and banning transactions with banks and countries trading with Iran.

Iran is saying if you do that to Iran, financially, or via blockade, we will close the strait to anyone imposing sanctions on Iran.

Instant war.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 18:11 | 2056244 foxenburg
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I have never read anything about the the US Navy threatening to blockade Iranian oil. I understood the USA sponsored sanctions to say - in effect - if you do business with Iran you don't do business with us, or use American banks - your choice. Please give me a link to any threat to back up sanctions by blockading gulf.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:46 | 2056966 Element
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Only an idiot, or a provocateur, would not or would pretend not to understand that the threat is implied and quite real, and the White Hut and Pentagon will try to do this, if they can get enough international support and 'moral' inertial via propaganda, to quell resistance with a shower of hegemonic conceit, lies, misrepresentation and warmongering horseshit, to steal territory, resources, and murder people for empire and weapon sales.

Everyone else here, or in the region, and in foreign Govts have no problem grasping the situation and the implications.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 14:32 | 2055271 Matt
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The USA put missles with nuclear warheads in Turkey pointed at Moscow. The Soviets sought to equalize the situation with missles in Cuba. America painted the Soviets as the aggressors and nearly started a nuclear war.

I think the word you meant was BLOCKADE rather than EMBARGO?

BTW, why is the Cuba Embargo still in place?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:47 | 2056973 Element
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Because they 'won' and thus stole the warmongers profit.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:44 | 2054525 Betty Swallsack
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Roy, man! Turn off the FAUX News.  An oil embargo is also known as economic warfare.  Keep this up and you'll be winning the Troll Of The Day Award.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:39 | 2055027 DionysusDevotee
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Name me a war that wasn't fought over resources...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:55 | 2054625 my puppy for prez
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"Is Roy10 above serious?"

No...he is one of those "jobs saved or created" by the current globalist regime.

Simply a paid dis-info agent....they've got THOUSANDS of them on the payroll.

And I still say he might be 8 years old....tops!

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:10 | 2054680 fleur de lis
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ORI - Excellent observation, the whole country is held together with one lie after another, but it is not the fault of the citizenry, although they do share blame for a complete lack of knowledge and basic inquiry.

The Rothschilds own all media in this country, and have manipulated war information for 100 years. Julius Reuter was a Rothschild agent. Look up how long ago that was.

There is no way they will allow free flow of information so they promote the illusion of choice with so many news orgs, but they are all tightly controlled.  Ordinary decent people really cannot fathom the depth of evil in this. There is a reason we have been under constant economic and war stress since 1913 and any let up would only threaten the leeches who live off of us.

Your friends are a perfect example, they have had lies fed to them nonstop all their lives, and with no other information options, and with their lives under constant threat of boogeymen, they can only discuss what our overlords allow them to see and hear. They are trapped but don't know it.

Furthermore the newsblabbers themselves have no grasp of our own history, let alone foreign. Their ignorance is bolstered by their arrogance, which is fed by their huge paychecks, which allow them access to fancy circles, which in turn feed their massive egos and make them feel important. And smart. Which they absolutely are not.

Don't lose your friends over these lies,  but find a way to present information where they can do their own homework if they want to. And they might not want to, and you will have to accept that.

As an example,  go to WW2 -

1) Germany was flat broke in 1918 and again in 1929 but could threaten the whole world 10 years later - how could that be, where did all the the money come from, after all, it has been 10 years since 911 and we still have not rebuilt GZ.

2) Germany was centrally located, but needed thousands of tons of rubber for the tank treads. plane and jeep wheels, bullet belts for the machine guns, etc., so if the rubber came from rubber trees and plantations, and the plantations were in Paraguay, and they were owned by American businessmen, how did the supplies get to Germany?

I also know very smart people who cannot believe that the 911 hoax murders were perpetrated by our own leaders as a favor to their foreign friends. They simply do not have the prior historical information which would make them aware, and all history schoolbooks are approved by the Board of Education and we know who runs that dump, the same ones who inflict wars everywhere as a salary.

 And I don't mean the military.  I'm sure many of them realize too late that they have been walked into a racket but if they say anything it's friendly-fire time. 

Try to reconnect with your friends and don't fight with them any more over this, but give them very, very easy things to look up which will conflict with the hypnotic poison they have been fed.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 00:39 | 2057346 Oh regional Indian
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Excellent re-cap Fleur. I'm now back in India and the blinders are on much tighter. Much tighter.

Lost friends littered everywhere, as far as they eye can see. :-)

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:14 | 2054716 Chuck Walla
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Iran's economy isn't all that efficient. The embargo would work except for Japan and China seeing it totally against their interests. And I think there is a pipeline that goes to Russia that can get oil out.

I have no idea if a popular uprising could remove the current Twelvers, but Tehran seems to act like it could. Now thats an Arab(Persian?) Spring I could appreciate.  The chance of some bizarre attack is also possible and, in McCollom like conspiracy, a provocation for Obama to mis-direct things through war and the profits to be reaped for friends and pals.  If Cliffs takes a big leap, front-running is happening.

 

 

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:18 | 2054950 Element
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But don't forget the Iranians already said that if Iran can not trade its oil not one drop of oil will get through the strait.

That is a flat-out military ultimatum to the White House and Europe, and it wasn't even covered in diplomatic cotton wool.

This was senior military speaking, not some mealy mouthed ambassador.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:26 | 2054450 FMR Bankster
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Nothing new about this. Someone has been killing people in Iran's nuclear program for a couple of years. And these car bombs are one of the ways they have been doing it. Pretty sophisticated as well. A shaped charge that just kills the one person they are after. Add in unexplained explosions at military facilities, railways, ect and a low level war is underway there. It seems to have picked up after the June 2009 elections. Just a guess but I would suggest local opposition with help from Israel and/or the US. Politics becomes difficult to figure out when the opposition includes people who have had prior significant roles in goverment. They have contacts within the military/intellegence services and understand who may be of value for information/future military help.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:36 | 2054512 Betty Swallsack
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Someone has been killing people in Iran's nuclear program for a couple of years.

'Someone'? How about many someone's?  Spell Mossad, and you'll have won.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:15 | 2054725 Chuck Walla
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I wonder if our drones are involved?  /sarc

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:26 | 2054761 trav7777
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Israel and the US. 

Car bombs and other explosive devices cannot be classified as other than terrorism.

Israel, in particular, specializes in this type of terrorism technique.  You can bing up the history of the palestinian called "the engineer" and how they got to him.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:38 | 2054522 Benjamin Glutton
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2 years to the day of previous attack plus many others targeting nuke scientists is quite the convenient coincidence.

"Assassinations, military threats and political pressures ... The enemy insists on the tactic of creating fear to stop Iran's peaceful nuclear activities," Fars quoted lawmaker Javad Jahangirzadeh as saying in reaction to the blast.

A similar bomb explosion exactly two years ago - Jan. 12, 2010 - killed Tehran University professor Masoud Ali Mohammadi, a senior physics professor. He was killed when a bomb-rigged motorcycle exploded near his car as he was about to leave for work.

The semiofficial Mehr news agency said that Roshan had planned to attend a memorial ceremony later Wednesday for the slain professor.

In November 2010, a pair of back-to-back bomb attacks in different parts of the capital killed another nuclear scientist and wounded one more.

The slain scientist, Majid Shahriari, was a member of the nuclear engineering faculty at Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran and cooperated with the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. The wounded scientist, Fereidoun Abbasi, was almost immediately appointed head of Iran's atomic agency.

Shahriari's expertise - neutron transport - lies at the heart of nuclear chain reactions in reactors and bombs. And Abbasi, now Iran's nuclear chief, has been described as a laser expert and one of the few top Iranian specialists in nuclear isotope separation.

And in July 2011, motorcycle-riding gunmen killed Darioush Rezaeinejad, an electronics student. Other reports identified him as a scientist involved in suspected Iranian attempts to make nuclear weapons.

Rezaeinejad allegedly participated in developing high-voltage switches, a key component in setting off the explosions needed to trigger a nuclear warhead.

The United States and some allies say Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons technology. Iran denies the allegations, saying that its program is intended for energy and medical research.

The latest blast is certain to bring fresh charges by Iran that the U.S. and allies are waging a clandestine campaign of bloodshed and sabotage in attempts to set back Iran's nuclear efforts.

"Instead of actually fighting a conventional war, Western powers and their allies appear to be relying on covert war tactics to try to delay and degrade Iran's nuclear advancement," said Theodore Karasik, a security expert at the Dubai-based Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis.

He said the use of magnetic bombs bears the hallmarks of covert operations.

"It's a very common way to eliminate someone," he added. "It's clean, easy and efficient."

 

 

Read more here: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/01/11/2345378/report-bomb-kills-ira...
Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:30 | 2053968 eigenvalue
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Reminds me of the Nazguls. Feast on Iran's flesh...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:37 | 2054214 ToNYC
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China hears cheaper energy. What's not to like? Grow up and await the greetings with sweets and flowers.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:39 | 2053988 DogSlime
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duplilcate

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:41 | 2053998 DogSlime
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Embargo is already a success.

You sure?

Depends on the criteria for success, I suppose.

If the leadership collapses rapidly, how can you be sure that what rises out of the collapse will be better disposed to the West?

If the leadership collapses rapidly, won't this play havoc with oil prices? Aren't very high oil prices bad?

The last couple of "Mission Accomplished" declarations haven't turned out neatly, have they?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:12 | 2054110 roy10
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Regime falls = nuclear program stopped. That’s pretty much all I care about right now.

Higher oil prices are actually good.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:23 | 2054146 DogSlime
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Regime falls = nuclear program stopped. That’s pretty much all I care about right now.

That's a very narrow view.  The consequences of a sudden catastrophic collapse could be much worse than Iran furthering its nuclear program.  There's more to care about than that.

Higher oil prices are actually good.

OK, if you think so.  Could you explain why?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:27 | 2054169 roy10
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It's hardly a narrow view. The only reason for the embargo is the nuclear program. What they do after the regime falls is their own problem and the West should not interfere with that. What concequences do you imagine?

As for oil prices - the higher they go, the less people use and more will be invested into alternatives. Higher oil prices in the only way to bring an end to the oil era.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:45 | 2054255 DogSlime
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So the West should interfere until it has achieved whatever objective it has set?  (in this case... stopping WMD???  again??)  but then should not interfere after that?

Basically, the West should interfere in toppling regimes, but then should not interfere?

I think this philosophy might play out badly for the West.  I have a vague recollection of this having negative consequences in the past.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:53 | 2054293 roy10
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My view is that a nuclear Iran should be avoided at all costs. Why? becuase if they get a nuclear weapon, it's almost certain to explode in NYC.

Beyond that, I have no interest in Iran or what regime they choose. I would love for them to be a liberal democracy, but I'm ont prepared to force it on them.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:53 | 2054442 Element
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It obvious from what you're saying and how you're saying it that you are a pubescent school boy playing troll.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:23 | 2054750 ElvisDog
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When do regime changes generated by the U.S. ever result in a stable, liberal Democracy? I can't think of a single example. I can think of lots of examples where our glorious leaders didn't think through possible unintended consequences of their regime changes and the situation winds up being worse than before.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:32 | 2054768 fleur de lis
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RoyBoy, you are sooooo out of your depth on this board. Did someone put you up to this or are you telling us something the nice newsblabbers told you?

There is a little country right next to Iran with 300 admitted nukes, maybe more, is that okay with you, or do you think some countries should have them and not others, if so which ones and how many?

Please share your wisdom with us since you are so very enlightened.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:28 | 2054779 trav7777
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don't take this the wrong way, but you're a fuckin idiot.

What nation has waged more wars than any other and invaded more nations than all others combined in the past 50 years?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:57 | 2054888 cranky-old-geezer
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Why? becuase if they get a nuclear weapon, it's almost certain to explode in NYC.

I would be more concerned about Russian (ICBM-delivered) nukes going off *over* NYC.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:24 | 2054976 Cyrano de Bivouac
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I would be more concerned about a American nuke going off over Japan. Oh wait...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 15:28 | 2055519 Tyranny is Love
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Roy 10: Regime falls = nuclear program stopped. That’s pretty much all I care about right now.

Higher oil prices are actually good.

 

Regime change does not necessarily mean an end to the nuclear program, which may or may not be intended to make a bomb. Its as likely to put some other newer (possibly crazier regime in place ). There will definitely be an increase in instability as that is how regime change is achieved. This mechanism for regime change results it volatility and chaos, that usually does not result in peaceful friendly government.

 

 

PS it will result in pissing off a large number of people who don't need to be made angry.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:35 | 2054814 Vince Clortho
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So the reason behind the skyrocketing fuel prices over the last few decades has been to use that money to invest in alternative energy?  And these global Oil Corporations are doing this to bring  and end to the oil era?

Thanks for explaining all that.  The people of the world will be relieved to know that these International Mega-corporations are looking out for us all.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:25 | 2054156 Element
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Fool. 

DPRK is more collapsed and for much longer, and it did not stop them developing nukes, and ICBMs, and basic Satellite launch capabilities regardless. 

This is just the beginning of the beginning, you are in for many surprises, the Iranians have been waiting for this war for decades, now it is finally arriving.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:31 | 2054187 roy10
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How is DPRK collapsed? The regime is in full control of the country.

As for the Iranians "waiting for this war" - I sincerely doubt that the Ayatollahs are “waiting” to have their infrastructure destroyed and that the people of Iran are “waiting” to be bombed back to the 19th century. That’s why I believe they will very soon overthrow their corrupt government.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:52 | 2054248 Element
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Economically collapsed tosser.

Dream on fool, the Iranians are not going to overthrow their Govt.  They will fight the US and Israel and NATO, and will not give up.  They saw what happened to Iraq when you give up. Same way North Vietnam withstood, with proxy support, against a sustained decade long US attack. End result, USA kicked out of Saigon, in front of the whole world, in utter defeat. The Pentagon lost its stomach for US invasions of other countries for about the next 23 years.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:56 | 2054302 roy10
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Who ever mentioned an invasion? That should not and will not happen. The US hsould NEVER EVER invade and attempt to occupy another country.

The wars of the futures should be fought almost exclusively from the air (and sea).

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:17 | 2054390 Element
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er ... yeah ... all of 13 years old ... if that.

Does your mom know you're on the internet?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:49 | 2054594 my puppy for prez
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You are being too generous...he's at the most 8.  Even my 14 yr old gets it!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:50 | 2054597 toomanyfakecons...
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Dear MegaTroll,

Our dependency on smart bombs may well be the undoing of our military. The U.S. military should immediately trade in most of it's high tech crap for MORE MARINE RIFLEMEN, the only effective, ground-holding, proven solution in a real (hot) war...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:43 | 2055046 DionysusDevotee
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Your lack of grasp of history is painful to watch. 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:41 | 2054231 ToNYC
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So if they stop the peaceful program as you wish, can they trade crude oil for Pakistan's defense resources?

Oops! Door number 3; no perception perequisite, no replays. Genius waits while fools dash about foaming at the mouth.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:58 | 2054641 Betty Swallsack
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Regime falls = nuclear program stopped.  That’s pretty much all I care about right now.  Higher oil prices are actually good.

Pffft! Wow.  Written as a true speculator.  Roy, please stop using my oxygen.  Oh, and you won.  Here is your Troll Of The Day Award and $5 off at the nearest Taco Bell to feed that burgeoning, atom-splitting brain of yours.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:43 | 2054241 I Got Worms
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Next on the USA's checklist is to exhume the Shah's corpse and bring it back to Iran Weekend At Bernie's style.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:44 | 2054555 my puppy for prez
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Agreed.  And somehow, in my gut, I get this feeling that "Ahmidinny" is simply playing his part in the theatrical production that is being presented to us.  I need to do more research on the possibility that he is "handled".  Anyone?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:41 | 2054000 john39
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Actually, this sort of blatent evil will only serve to speed the awakening of humanity against Zionism and thereby bring about the end of this cancer upon the world.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:23 | 2054147 roy10
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Yes - blame the Jews for the world's problems. Beacause it's the jews who are flying planes into buildings. Right - Let;s ignore the fact that most mulslims being killed, are killed by other muslms.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:01 | 2054316 roy10
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Your anti-Semitism is showing. There’s no point to reason with an individual driven by nothing other than hatred. You should have been born a century ago. Those were far better times for your kind.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:11 | 2054363 Element
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Oh no it's not me Roy old boy ... the holocaust was just in remission ... the Joos have bought it all back again.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:53 | 2054618 frostfan
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Go on Roy.  Just remember ZH is one of the last few places that these anti-semites have to do their circlejerk.  Heck, they even got kicked out of Occupy Wall Street protests.   That's right, the protestors preferred raping and doped homeless people amongst their presence than these guys.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:02 | 2054660 Element
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You realise Roy is a school boy Jew playing troll ... what are you ... his mother?  ... an anti-semite! ... piss-off idiot, you don't even know what you're talking about.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:11 | 2054705 roy10
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Frankly, I'm shocked at the amount of anti-semitism. It’s tough to tell who's on the other side, but the level and the intensity of the hatred is both astounding and alarming. I guess most of these guys are of Muslim descent and they have been fed this hatred by their leaders to save their own behinds.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:40 | 2054836 Karl von Bahnhof
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Amount of what?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:00 | 2054895 Element
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Quit the pretence snotty ... back to the troll academy kibbutzim, tell them that you're just not cut out for it, and would be more useful spreading the manure on the lentil crop.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:33 | 2054199 my puppy for prez
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The dudes who flew the planes were all handled by the CIA...and several of the ones on the "suspect list" put out a few short hours after the attacks TURNED UP ALIVE IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES a short time later!  

I'm not trying to diss Jews here, but your statement is inferring that the 9/11 Report is all hunky dory and totally legit.

I suggest you get reading some independent sources for a more likely scenario.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:02 | 2054319 roy10
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OK. Spare me with the CIA or the Mosad conspiracy theories. There's undeniable evidence about who flew those planes and the were Christian or Jewish, nor were they "handled" by any.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:05 | 2054335 john39
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your comments are intellectually lazy at most.  Have you bothered to even think about how Osama got his start.  Here is a hint, with the CIA.  How about the Saudi "royal' family?  how about wahabi 'radical' islam?  turn off the tv and pick up a book, you might actually learn a bit of truth as opposed to the MSM brain wash garbage.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:46 | 2054569 my puppy for prez
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Go right ahead and swallow the propaganda line if you want to....it is a "free" country, after all.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:51 | 2054607 Betty Swallsack
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Spare me with the CIA or the Mosad conspiracy theories. There's undeniable evidence about who flew those planes and the were Christian or Jewish, nor were they "handled" by any.

Hmm, Mossad is to Israel what the CIA is to the US and MI5 - 6 is to Britain, and the last time I checked, those in Mossad, based in Israel, are predominantly Jewish.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:32 | 2054777 jplotinus
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In re 9/11:

There exists no valid determination of what happened that day. It is just as valid, and no less arbitrary, to assert no jetliners were hijacked and the WTC twin towers did not disintegrate in <15 seconds due to a quantity of kerosene sufficient for a backyard above ground swimming pool (with building 7 disintegrating in sympathy) as it is to claim 19 Arabs with box cutters defied both the laws of physics and common sense.

As it is with respect to what happened on 9/11, so it is with respect to who did it; I.e., we do not know. It is false to assert otherwise.

Roy10's blatant propaganda should not go unanswered.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:38 | 2054827 my puppy for prez
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Thank you for doing it FOR me...I had to go take a kid to school!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:17 | 2054923 cranky-old-geezer
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I don't believe anyone was flying those planes, nor had any passengers.

I believe they were radio (read: militarily) controlled.

... or perhaps laser-guided ...like laser-guided smart bombs in Iraq ...that could target not just a particular building, but a particular *window* in a building.

... and who's military would have that capability back in 2001?

... and could deploy it on American soil?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:03 | 2054322 john39
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I believe I said zionism.  conflating being jewish with zionism is dishonest.  Many Jews oppose zionism, and rightly so.  this probably includes the twenty thousand Jews living in Iran.  so piss off.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:10 | 2054367 roy10
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Zionism is the right of the Jewish people for self-determination. Denying that right is a new form of anti-semitism, but it still is that. The fact that many Jews have anti-semitical views is nothing new. It goes back centuries.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:22 | 2054436 john39
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wrong.  calling something anti-semetic does not automatically make it so.  Zionism is not a "right", and it does not give one group carte blanche to oppress or take advantage of others.     and drop the self hating Jew bit, its nothing short of moronic.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:59 | 2054650 Raymond Reason
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Help-yourself comes with self-determination. 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:37 | 2055016 Chupacabra-322
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@ roy10, time to get schooled.

The Zionist Elephant In The Room

The political creed of Zionism has big ears and a long trunk and I think it’s time that was pointed out. It also stampedes through our lives at every level and that needs to be said, too.

It has created a pincer-movement on the human mind by hijacking staggering amounts of political, corporate, banking and media power on one side and by using the fear of being called ‘anti-Semitic’ if you dare to state the bloody obvious.

 They have been able to do this by equating in public perception that Zionism = Jewish people. It does not. Zionism is a political creed introduced by the House of Rothschild to advance the goals of the Illuminati families that are largely controlled by the Rothschilds.

When people think of Zionism they think of Jewish people. When they think of Israel they think of Jewish people. That’s understandable given the propaganda, but it is seriously misleading and those instant connections need to be broken if we are going to understand what’s going on here.

Zionism means Rothschild just as Israel means Rothschild. When we see the extraordinary number of Zionists in key positions around the world we are looking not at ‘manipulating Jews’, but manipulating Zionists representing the interests and demands of the Rothschilds.


Significant numbers of Jewish people are not Zionists and oppose that appalling creed while many Zionists are not Jewish. These include the Christian Zionists and Obama’s vice-president, Joe Biden, who told Israeli television ‘I’m a Zionist’.  If, as Biden rightly says, you don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, how can it be a racial rather than a political movement? It can’t. It’s just made to appear like that to manipulate public perception because opposing Zionism then becomes opposing Jewish people as a whole and the ‘you’re a racist’ card can be played over and over.

 Far from protecting and advancing the interests of the mass of Jewish people it has often been devastating for them and caused millions to be labelled unfairly by the actions of the Zionist elite. On the Jews Against Zionism website one feature highlights how Rothschild Zionism targeted Jews who had lived for generations in Palestine side-by-side with Arabs in peace and harmony:

‘The religious Jews who by virtue of their faith, clearly contradicted Zionist nationalism, and who had lived peacefully with their Arab neighbors for generations, became unwillingly identified with the Zionist cause and their struggle with the Arabs.

 They requested the United Nations that Jerusalem be designated as a defacto international city. They appealed to the diplomatic corps assigned to Jerusalem — but to no avail. They were hence confronted with the choice of either becoming a part of the Zionist State, which diametrically opposed the interests of Jews as a religion, or abandoning the land of which their forefathers were the first Jewish settlers.

 Let’s get this straight. Zionism doesn’t give a damn about Jewish people. To the Rothschilds and their Zionist gofers and thugs the Jewish people as a whole are merely cattle to be used and abused as necessary – just like the rest of the human population.

The networks of the House of Rothschild were behind Hitler and the rise of the Nazi Party in the Rothschild heartland of Germany where they had changed their name from Bauer in 18th century Frankfurt and launched the dynasty that was to control global finance.

 After the war the Rothschilds used public sympathy for Jewish people targeted by the Nazis to press for a homeland in Palestine. This was the alleged reason for the founding of Zionism, but that is only part of it.

 The campaign to impose a Rothschild fiefdom in Palestine goes back at least to the earlier part of the 19th century and probably long before. It was given a massive boost with the Balfour Declaration in 1917 when the British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour declared in a letter his government’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.


This letter was sent by Balfour, an inner-circle member of an elite secret society called the Round Table, to Baron (Walter) Rothschild who funded the Round Table.

 Today, Rothschild Illuminati fronts like the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Royal Institute of International Affairs, and others, still answer to the Round Table which string-pulls and coordinates from the shadows. This is why Zionists in government are invariably connected with these Rothschild-controlled organisations.

 The Rothschilds funded the early settlers from Europe to relocate in post-war Palestine and they also funded and armed the terrorist groups, like Irgun, which bombed and terrorised Israel into existence in 1948, a campaign which forced 800,000 Palestinians to leave the land of their birth.

Israel is simply the State of Rothschild and how appropriate that they paid for the construction of the Israeli parliament building, the Knesset, and the Israel Supreme Court. The name Rothschild means Red-shield and it originates with the red shield ‘Star of David’ symbol (not a Jewish symbol before the Rothschilds) which they displayed on their house in Frankfurt

 


 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 00:27 | 2056769 Cathartes Aura
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I've deleted my original reply, as I mistakenly assumed you had authored this, but your post in another thread today makes it more clear.

still, good information, thanks.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:45 | 2054017 JPM Hater001
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"Embargo is already a success."

If by success you mean now EVERY Iranian has been negatively impacted by our actions yes.

This is not the end of the Ayatollahs.  This is how wars are started.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:46 | 2054022 rbg81
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Isn't Iran an Islamic Republic? I thought charging interest was illegal under Islam?  Interesting.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:50 | 2054030 tmosley
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Very few Islamic countries actually follow Islamic banking laws.

And even in those that do, there is still an effective interest rate on loans, it just doesn't compound, as I recall.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:49 | 2054029 midtowng
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I wish ZH would put more distance between itself and politics.

ZH is GREAT for economic news. That's why I come here. But politics are a whole different animal, and ZH doesn't handle it well.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:52 | 2054039 tmosley
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I'm sure you mean "ZH doesn't agree with MY politics".

If you think Israel hasn't infiltrated every Islamic country of note, or is somehow above acts of pure terrorism, you're nuts.  

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:01 | 2054064 economics1996
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Politics and economics go together like shit and bread.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:12 | 2054111 Think for yourself
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I wanted to say they're the two sides of the same coin, but then I realized a coin is worth something.
So I wanted to say they're the two sides of the same counterfeit coin, but even plated tungsten has value.
So I wanted to say they're the two sides of the same sheet, but at least you can extract some BTUs from paper.
So lets just settle with, they're two distortions from the same mirage... 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:36 | 2054211 tmosley
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That's the shit sandwich we have to live with for now.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:45 | 2054251 ToNYC
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I stopped eating that sandwich when I got to something that didn't seem right because of something I learned at school.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:45 | 2054256 I Got Worms
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"Politics and economics go together like shit and bread."

I see what you did there.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:05 | 2054079 mick_richfield
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If you know of a better place, little human, tell me about it.

This is the best I know.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:21 | 2054141 Husk-Erzulie
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The field, or study, which is now termed "economics" used to be widely named political economy.  With good reason.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:29 | 2054179 my puppy for prez
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There IS NO distance b/t economics and politics in the REAL WORLD!  Grow up!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:51 | 2054280 ToNYC
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Politics is a form factor of social engineering distributing human energy, most useful in land use and currency transfers. To say it's no part the economy requires a faith-based program

(anti-science program.)

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:35 | 2054812 my puppy for prez
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Courtesy of the Tavistock Institute!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:38 | 2054216 pods
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Well, if politics did not have such a deathgrip on everything that walks, crawls, eats, sleeps, shits, moans, cries or dies then ZH just could post some charts and be done with it.

But the fact is, politics plays a much bigger part of where economics goes than any H&S pattern you see on the ES.

For ZH to avoid politics would be a great disservice to all it serves.

pods

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:45 | 2054567 toomanyfakecons...
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Could politics and "economics" possibly be any more intertwined? Deathgrip indeed!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:52 | 2054288 Citxmech
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Kinda makes you wonder how Cuba does it. . .

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:41 | 2054536 caconhma
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The Ayatollahs must go for everybody sake. All fanatics (Ayatollahs, Zionists, etc.,) are deadly threats to humanity and people welfare all over world.

If Zionists dream that a new regime in Iran will be any friendlier to American & Israeli Zionists, they are mistaken. It appears that Iranian people know well who their friends are and who their enemies are.

Internet has exposed the real criminals and their enforcers. The criminals are the Banking Mafia/Oligarchy and NATO. Regardless of a lipstick on their faces, their real motives and intentions were exposed and there are no ways back. Their propaganda and a "democracy" fraud became too obvious. They are doomed the same way the former Soviet Union imploded 20 years ago.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:32 | 2054798 fuu
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Tatsuma is that you?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 13:05 | 2054908 DionysusDevotee
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Roy,
That is totally what happens after a hyperinflation.  Ask Germany.  I'm sure the Iranian people are too stupid to blame the people responsible for their crashing economy (US).  WTF are you talking about?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:28 | 2053961 vato poco
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It's the JOOOOOOOS!!! The goddamn JOOOOOOOOSSS!!!!!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:37 | 2053981 Born Patriot
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Dang right buddy! Those god damn assholes and their multiculturalist buddies run everything. It's time to get back to the consitution and bring back freedom of association. Ron Paul 2012!!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:39 | 2053994 GeneMarchbanks
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Good Lord almighty. This is now getting vicious. I'd just like to thank the ZH team before the killswitch is brought out.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:10 | 2054091 mick_richfield
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We will still have an internet, even if we have to transport the data packets by passing  samizdat memory sticks hand-to-hand at the farmers' markets and under the cafe tables.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:27 | 2054175 my puppy for prez
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There will be no farmers' markets (they will be outlawed under Codex Alimentarius and the F & D "Safety" Act), and there will only be GMO-cafes.  But hey....it's sumthin'....

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:59 | 2054311 mick_richfield
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Real power is being able to get what you want without the people even noticing.  It was done that way for a long time.

All of the blatant and grotesque power grabs recently by our reptilian masters are not a sign of strength, they are a sign of desperation and panic.  Weak lieutenants frantically trying to control a complex system that has become chaotic.

Their time is swiftly passing.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:57 | 2054639 Almost Solvent
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Very astute, but those morons can still inflict maxmimum pain on the rest of us as they flail around trying to hold on.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:30 | 2054185 Husk-Erzulie
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Peer to peer "dark nets" are already a reality.  Most don't use them because they don't have to, yet.  Greenie for the interesting conflation of USB sicks and samizdat.  Also of interest is the emergence of "live" operating systems and portable applications.  If I were Joe lieber-douche, I would be getting out in front of this and drafting midnight legislation to make thumb drives illegal.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:41 | 2054230 GeneMarchbanks
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+1 for use of samizdat & link.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:04 | 2054327 Conrad Murray
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Everyone that reads ZH should be familiar with(at a bare minimum):

https://www.torproject.org/
https://tails.boum.org/
http://www.i2p2.de/

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:33 | 2054796 Race Car Driver
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How To: USB Dead Drops

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:08 | 2054094 Barry Mcokiner
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Oh, you're so right, GeneMarchbanks, bow down good citizen and obey your masters. Be afraid of speaking your mind. Be afraid to speak of such "touchy" subjects. If speaking the truth condemns me than so be it. At least I will go out proud, not like a pussy like you.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:26 | 2054159 Think for yourself
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They are trolls (i.e. paid by-the-word israeli shills, media-leveraged CIA-contracted disinfo agents and bored douchebags) masquerading abject ideas as legitimate point of views, not  legitimate people actually speaking their minds.

Me and many others here will bust your ass for days going about how the international money-lenders, the historic usury-spreading parasites, have taken on the mostly unwitting jewish culture both as hosts and as hugely convenient misdirection victims. But the words spoken by the GPs that came before Gene came were both contrived and conceited. Yelling "It's the JOOOOOOOS" in a poor caricature of legitmate argument is in no way respectful to the level of discourse expected here.

In other words, fuck you and the high horse you rode in on. 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:07 | 2054344 john39
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true.  the problem is, if they can't control a forum, they typically destroy it by flooding with garbage...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 15:27 | 2055510 Herd Redirectio...
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The amount of  (PAID) trolls on the net is just ridiculous.  Do these people have no soul?  No sense of what they are participating in?  Its our duty to out them, simple as that.   Funnily enough, I first saw the technique (of paying forum posters) used in MMA/UFC forums, almost 10 years ago now.  Obviously it is predated by the technique of just outright owning the media and not allowing independent opinions to be broadcast or printed. 

Someone needs to tell the Iranians that its not 'Death to America' they want, its 'Death to the Empire'.

Hell, they aren't the only ones!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:24 | 2054160 my puppy for prez
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Did you not catch the sarcasm from Gene?  You would have if you were familiar with his other posts.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:44 | 2054556 caconhma
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By the nature, all revolutions are very brutal!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:50 | 2054032 iinthesky
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This is just the kind of thing that is needed to make sure the brain dead sheeple that can't see past their televisions to forsake Ron Paul in favor of a warmonger sock puppet. If things, or rather WHEN things escalate the media will neatly seal the deal by proving 'see we told you so' that Ron Paul is this or that or 'dangerous'. The fucktard public will promptly agree and switch the channel back to the newest installment of Whorewives of Hollywood.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:53 | 2054042 Council of Econ...
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Obvious troll is obvious.  So what are you HBGary, State Dept, DoD?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:13 | 2054115 Vergeltung
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this "born patriot" dude is an obvious troll.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:38 | 2054215 tmosley
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Oh look, another RNR clone, just six days out of the cloning vats.

Would you quit the fucking act already?

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