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Iran To Israel: "We'll Show You Hell"
While we are looking for the full IAEA report blasting Iran and specifically its nuclear program, claiming that Iran carried out work relevant for developing nuclear arms according to a UN report citing 'credible' info, as well as having information of activities in Iran specific to nuclear weapons, we already know what Iran's response is to any potential 'provocations' from Israel. To wit: "We'll show you 'hell'" UPI explains: "Israel will learn the true meaning of "hell" if it decides a military strike against Iran is worth the risk, an Iranian national security official said. Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is said to have been reviewing strike plans against Iran's nuclear infrastructure as the International Atomic Energy Agency expressed concerns about Tehran's nuclear ambitions. Iranian officials have said any attack on its nuclear infrastructure would be suicidal." And the soundbites keep getting better: "If a military challenge is started against Iran in the region, the Zionist regime will definitely be faced with a hell," Javad Jahangirzadeh, a lawmaker on Iran's national security commission, told the semiofficial Fars News Agency." Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, in a Tuesday interview with Israel Radio, said Israel doesn't want war. If dragged into conflict, he said, the casualties would be low. "Israel is the strongest country in the region and it will stay that way," he added." And while a few weeks or even days ago, the outcome of this event would have been easily predictable, following the just announced "microphone" gaffe involving Sarkozy, Obama and Netanyahu, suddenly the odds are far more interesting. Regardless, at this point, aside from concluding that Keynesians everywhere must be rejoicing at the imminent GDP boost driven by the military-industrial complex, we can also venture to gamble: short glass manufacturers. In a few months there may be a natural glut.
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Post the Arab uprisings this would be Israel vs the entire ME.. this could get uugly.
Been there done that. The late 60's war.
Now it was a damn near thing back then... nearly successful.
Israel wont be caught napping again.
Wow. Generally impressed by the level of ACCURATE information the ZH readers usually post, but this diatribe is rife with sheer lunacy, delusions of evil cabals behind every tree, and blatant religious intolerance that rivals the Inquisition. And probably 99% (there's that number again) have never even traveled to the mid-east, don't know of what they speak, and never had the opportunity to sit down with an Israeli (not just a Jew) or Iranian for a one-on-one conversation about their thoughts - aside from the Israeli/Iranaian government spewed crap.
The trip - Saudi Arabia has already granted Israel overflight rights.
The neighbors - Jordan fears an Iranian nuke more than Israel - where does the fallout fall?
One mushroom = $250 bbl oil and $10 gas for US.
The US has already delivered the "mutha of all penetrators" to the Israelis.
The Israelis know that Hamas will send every 10 yr old "freedom fighter" across the border with their "sunday go to meeting" vest.
Hillary knows that she should be taking that 3 AM phone call and not the omigodwhatanidiotobaminator
Obama plans to be golfing. He can't play the fiddle.
He can't golf either. They've been giving special training to the Secret Service guys so they can keep themselves from laughing when he tries to use a sand-wedge.
No training needed. Just poach a few off the insurance business.
Don't believe me? Try telling some stories about that big wreck to a insurance adjuster. They don't laugh.
The House of Saud has thier own issues. Indeed they put close to a million on the head of the IDF soldier. If anyone wants to catch and keep one to redeem it.
Iran's mouth is making sure any war is not limited.
If you bury facilities deeply where weapons can not get to them the solution is obvious - they need a society to come up to on the surface. They must be supplied with power and water and food. Israel has the ability to reduce every population center and critical infrastructure in Iran to rubble. If they remove 70 to 80% of the population most of the rest will die of fallout and removal of food and fuel over the next few months. Three or four months out there would be maybe 5% of their population left heavily slanted to farmers and goat-herders. The only thing holding them back is not wanting to be named monsters. Oh - too late - they already have the name. Might as well have the game.
I'm sure if 80% of a country dies that the world will happily support it! Oh right, FUCK THE GOYIM, I forgot. Awesome plan.
The Baby Boomers are the main ones that fell for the "support Isreal ate all costs because they are the chosen people" and "the end of the world is coming because Hal Lindsey and biblical prophecy said so" scams. The younger generations of Americans will cetainly not do Israel's bidding, or dying, for that matter. Israel has nukes, and manipulates THE HELL out of every single country on this Earth. Notice the exchange between Sarkozy and Obama about Netanyahu???? On rare ocassions, politicians do speak the truth.....
No I think the reason for the Obama and Sarkozy exchange is that they're both fooking socialists who can't stand to see a free country like Israel sticking to their history and culture.
It is even more basic than that, it is a root level hatred for a people that most have no clue as to its origin.
haha.teleprompter probably works for Imanutjob!
As a journalist with an independent weekly newspaper based in Washington, D.C., Chris Bollyn was caught up in the events of 9-11 from the minute it happened and was able to write freely about the terror attacks that were exploited to start the pre-planned War of Terror.
The first indication that the attack on the World Trade Center was an elaborate "false flag" operation came with the arrest of the five men on the New Jersey side of the Hudson River. These men, described as "Middle Eastern" in the first media reports, were later identified as Israelis.From his position as a skeptic of the unproven official version, he has examined the facts and evidence since the day it happened and has concluded that the U.S. government and controlled media have engaged in a conspiracy to deceive the world about what really happened on that terrible day.
That the five jubilant Middle Eastern men, who had photographed themselves smiling and celebrating with the burning World Trade Center in the background, were indeed Israelis, they were known to U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies as agents of Israeli intelligence, was ignored by the mass media.
A long, but well documented pdf, not meant for the faint of heart, those who may still want to shun truth.
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Solving_9-11_-_The_Deception_That_Changed_The_World.pdf
When Iran gets 300 nukes let 'em duke it out. Israel is a bunch of tech pussies who can't stand a fair fight. If they start to lose they will command the usa dick suckers to step in.
I guess the surprise attacks where they were outnumbered, outgunned and still kicked ass doesn't count.
How much money and weapons does the usa give israel every year? Let's give Iran the same amount for say twenty years and then you can fight it out and prove your genetic superiority.
I am more concerned about 20,000 shoulder fire heat seeking missile missing from Libya.
Israeli airliners are equipped with active counters, they have been fired on by SAM's before.
AMERICAN Planes are not fitted and are just big fat hot targets filled with filthy unwashed and impure people best dispatched and sent to Allah.
Why?
Airlines here in the USA are too damn cheap to install counter measures to the planes for a million or two. Espeically if they lose a plane and face a billion plus dollar suit for 200 lives lost.
If I fly, I do it my fooking self with a rental 172.
A rich j000 asshole who can afford private aviation. Who would have guessed.
You can bet the CIA bought some of them to U. S. soil for a future false flag. God, aren't they patriots!
And just when may we expect the 'full IAEA report' on Israel's nuclear program(s)?
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loved it.
Might want to research the ss n 22 sunburn missile. A volley of these could really ruin a navies day. Russia, China, Iran and a host of others not real friendly to the mad dog warmongers are packing these things around and if someone decides to nuclear tip a few.. mutherfvkinkaboom bitches..
navy's too
I don´t think that Iran can "show Israel hell". I think that the only reason why Israel so far has not bombed Iran like Syria and Irak in the past is that a nuclear disaster in Iran would upset parts of the public opinion in the West. Furthermore, an attack on Iran might make Islamic oil producing countries feel that they are forced to buy media in the West, fund lobby organizations, use sexual extortion on Western politicians on a large scale, pay/persuade nut cases to assassinate Western politicians (I wonder why Gordon Cook, Wim Duisenberg and JFK really died, I´m not 100 % sure) and pay a corrupt reverend like Cyrus A. Scofield to write suitable comments in a new interpretation of the Holy Bible. I would not be surprised if both Iran and Saudi Arabia eventually will pay a high price for their reluctance to get involved in Western politics.
Furthermore, I really wonder why Iran began to build a heavy water reactor in the first place. There is no way that Israel and the West would let Iran get away with building a nuclear bomb. And this is not the only risk the Iranians seem to be facing. To me, it seems risky to build nuclear power plants in country which is so plagued by earth quakes. Remember what happened in Japan. Apparently, they can not rely solely on solar energy and wind energy when they run out of oil. The electric grid must have more reliable energy sources which can compensate for lack of wind and sun. But I really wonder whether the Iranians would not be better off with Thorium reactors which seem less dangerous. India now seems ready to launch Thorium reactors commercially shortly.
Link to my comment yesterday on a similar subject:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fears-iran-nuclear-weaponizing-lead-brent-...
I don´t think that Iran can "show Israel hell".
If I am not mistaken didnt the Iranians invent chess? I really dont think we as a specie will be real happy with even MORE radiation circling the globe to add to Fuku and other sources. A bit of restraint is too much to ask? Fvkin idiots on this board by the dozens.
trollin4sukrz:
You mean they will retaliate with "dirty bombs" in Israel which will also contaminate other countries? Well, perhaps they will manage to accomplish something like that. Maybe not. Maybe a "dirty" missile will be shot down over Jordan or Iraq instead.
Or do you mean that Israel will use 200 or 300 nukes on Iran and that this will cause more global radiation? I guess that the Israelis know whether they would benefit more from attacking Iran than suffering from more global radiation. I think that the Israelis know what they are doing. Islamic oil producers do not know what they are doing, just like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi.
I don´t want more global more radiation and I don´t want an attack on Iran. I´m just telling that I think that the Israelis know what they are doing.
By the way, I´m not so sure that the Israelis would begin with a large scale. nuclear attack. Perhaps they would begin with a smaller attack which the West would think would be legitimate, just like the attacks on Iraq and Syria. But when Iran retaliates, Israel will might launch an attack on a larger scale which may stand out as legitimate since Israel then just would be "defending" itself.
What you talking about, israel dont have any nukes..just ask them.
O i see a junk.. i am sorry i'm supposed to do a /sarc for u fvkin brain dead dipshitz
That would be incorrect, they say neither yes or no to that fact, to which I'd say is excellent use of the keeping em' guessing game considering the extremely high stakes involved in this global poker match.
Hell, they stole nuke secrets from the U. S. Do you think they burned the documents?!
Good point at the end. Israel really needs Iran to attack them first or create a false flag to that effect. The CIA are masters at that, or so they think.
I suspect Iran is thinking biologica,l not nuclear, when they talk about Hell to pay. How many out of work Russian biologists
went to work for them?
amrka testing various "biowarfare" goodies in Afghanistan even as we type - search engine it.
I don't know how many Russian nuclear scientists went to Iran.
I do know more went than came back alive.
So lets see, we have a j000 here relishing in the death of a Russian scientist, but supposedly they have the high moral ground.
Biological warfare is much overrated as a military tactic. There is something called wind which dissipates the pathogens very quickly.
I really wonder why Iran began to build a heavy water reactor in the first place.
Could it be because they happen to have large uranium (not thorium) deposits within their borders, that they would like to use for their energy needs?
israel is a puppet stooge of the usa....the blood thirsty indonesian war monger president acting under orders from the plutocratic oligarchy want to occupy the middle east to own its oil...it's as simple as that..
Iranians wear flowered girly panties under their shitstained robes. They are gonna get whacked easily by bearded rabbis. What a laugher this is gonna be.
If the crazy neighbor across the street blabbed to the whole community how he was going to kill you and your family, then paid some truants to shoot at your house from next door pretty soon you'd get sick of it and blowtorch the son of a bitch.
not complicated. and its gonna happen.
Can't we all just get along?
I don't understand how these sites can even be attacked. They were built with bunker-busters in mind, right? Specifically to defend against GBU-28? It is not at all obvious to me that even low-yield nukes would seriously damage most of these sites.
Of course, the Israelis surprised me once before, with the Stuxnet attack. Is there another surprise in store?
I cannot imagine any way to destroy those sites without sending in the ultimate weapon -- men.
You are correct. The Iranian army is very well equipped and prepared.
A surgical strike against these "sites" may deliver a quick fix to win a battle but it won't win the war.
How many US men and women in uniform are you all willing to sacrifice in a drawn out land battle with Iran?
Better prepare for thousands of casualties and in the end you'll be saying.. we shouldn't have done that. Just like Vietnam.
The bunker busters can carry small, efficient tactical nuclear warheads. Not only is your mad scientist lab all trashed up, the bitch stays radioactive for like ever.
Think ICBM Penetrating slugs, size of a bus. It will dig through hundreds of feet of mountain rock like nothing while the war load falls in behind it to erase the high value target.
Remember, we made Thermobaric bombs in record time to smoke and burn out the Caves back then. It would not be hard to lob a tanker truck's worth down the mountain.
I don't think all the huffing and puffing in the Middle East is about Israel. It's to start WWIII to eliminate most of the world's population. The attackon Iran will bring Russia and China into the picture. Both have interests in Iran and both have nuclear weapons. Those will be brought to bear on the US. In turn we will take out China and Russia. The plan all along. The elite, meanwhile, will be below ground bidding their time until they emerge to preside over a devastated planet and what's left of the human race.
Then they'd better do it, and reduce the surplus population!
Really? Russia and China? There goes all the WalMart and Christmas Tree Shops. Seriously though if we went to war with China they'd win if the war lasted longer than a month or two. Reason is we no longer have the industrial capacity to wage a war of attrition like we did WW II. At that time we had the largest industrial base in the world, all of which was utilized to produce war materials. That industrial base has since been moved to places like Communist China, India and Mexico (by "US" corporations), and there is no way the military industrial complex would be able to keep up with the losses. Addtionally our miltary stuff cost a hell of a lot more than it did in WW II and we'd likely go broke anyways.
Yes, but what if the war is not conventional?
Right On! The f*ckers!
>start WWIII to eliminate most of the world's population.
Only a mentally-ill person or a myopic fool succumbing to the worst Malthusian fallacies would support that.
Economic science shows that there are too few people and too many unused lands, idle factories, and unused material factors of production waiting to be transformed into economic goods.
Time to wake up Doc!
Whoever junked this man has taken the blue pill!
Oh i can hardly wait for 10 dollar a gallon gasoline and 12 dollar loaves of bread coupled with gas lines and rationing all because some paranoid inbred bunch of Russian Kahazarians got an itchy trigger finger.
Word.
Perhaps it's just an invitation to spend a weekend in Tehran. We'll show you Hell. Tell us if you like.
Who the hell uses bombs anymore anyways? just get the German Shepard to "start talking" and they'll be annihilating each other in no time! Such a happy thing "implants"...you're really a nobody until you've tried it..
emmm..kinda raised some serious havoc these "implants" did they? Maybe you should get a nose tool to remove that fvker?
President Barrack Hussein Obama is a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. There shall be no more wars!
What the list below does not take into account is that Iranian soldiers are well trained, motivated and very loyal. There are no factions of competing tribes in Iran and there is no dissent in the military of Iran. It will cost thousands of American lives to secure victory over Iran's military and regime.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/background-how-big-is-iran-s-military-1.7084
ARMED FORCES:- Iran has over 523,000 personnel in active service. Major General Ataollah Salehi is the armed forces chief.
MISSILES: - In a 2007 parade to mark the anniversary of 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, Iran showed its Shahab 3 missile, saying it could travel 2,000 km -- enabling it to hit Israel and U.S. bases in the region. Another missile at the parade, the Ghadr 1, can reach targets 1,800 km away. It was believed to be the first time it has been shown publicly. In November 2008, Iran said it test-fired a Sejjil missile with a range of close to 2,000 km.
ARMY: - The army comprises about 350,000 men, including 220,000 conscripts. The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, viewed as the most loyal guardian of the ruling system, has another 125,000 men. In 2004 the army was organised in four corps, with four armored divisions and six infantry divisions.- There are 1,600 tanks including some 100 Zulfiqar locally produced main battle tanks. A large number of Iran's tanks are elderly British-made Chieftains and U.S.-made M-60s. - Soviet-made T-54 and T-55s, T-59s, T-62s, and T-72s were also part of the inventory, all captured from the Iraqis or acquired from North Korea and China. - A report from the International Institute for Strategic Studies says that some of the tanks' serviceability may be in doubt. - There are around 640 armored personnel carriers. There are 8,196 artillery pieces of which 2,010 are towed, and over 310 are self-propelled.
NAVY: - There are 18,000 naval personnel. The navy has its headquarters at Bandar-e Abbas. Iran's navy has three Russian Kilo class submarines, three frigates and two corvettes.- As of 2001 the regular Iranian navy was in a state of overall obsolescence, and in poor shape because they had not been equipped with modern ships and weapons. The readiness of the three frigates is doubtful, and the two nearly 40-year-old corvettes do not have sophisticated weapons. - In late 2007 Iran launched a new locally made submarine and a navy frigate named as Jamaran. Jane's Defence Weekly has reported that Iran was also building missile-launching frigates copied from 275-tonne Kaman fast attack missile craft originally purchased from France in the late 1970s.
AIR FORCE:- The air force has some 30,000 personnel and 319 combat aircraft. However, serviceability may be as low as around 60 percent for U.S. aircraft types and 80 percent for Russian aircraft. There are F-14 and MiG 29 aircraft. There are also some aircraft impounded from Iraq -- Russian-built Sukhoi Su-24s and 25s. Iran also has transport aircraft and helicopters. - In September 2007, Iran said it had tested two new domestically-produced jet fighters. State television said the Saegheh was a new generation of the Azarakhsh (Lightning) fighter. Iran said it was being built on an industrial scale.
Sources: Reuters/Military Balance2008/www.globalsecurity.org/Jane's Defence Weekly
Iranian soldiers will desert at the first sound of a B-52 overhead. No Arab army is worth shit.
You're the first person I ever called a moron here, you moron-THE IRANIANS ARE NOT ARABS!!!
That fact still doesn't change his point now does it?
That fact still doesn't change his point now does it?
His point is stupid. Iran has watched its neighborhood trashed by the US and NATO for ten years. This makes them highly motivated because they know that the US and NATO will bomb women and children, knock their country back into the stone age, capture and torture them, kill prisoners and poison their country with depleted uranium. They will be fighting for their lives and the lives of everyone they love. Just as I expect to do when the corporativist fascist war machine turns its attention on us.
You are correct, it's depleted uranium babies and Xe mercenaries for all, or learn how to shoot some gringos.
The Iranians fought the Iraqis for years and lost a million men. But they didn't give up an inch of land.
Funny thing is my parents grew up during the WAR in Germany and they said US soldiers were usually scared shitless. But they had good chocolate!
Heard the same from various other sources as well.
It's not even a national thing. A man or woman will only die for their convictions if they're hungry. American military isn't hungry but it does have nice toys and a good corrupt financial system to back it up no matter what.
We shall see how much longer that lasts. China and Russia aren't run by Zionists. That is a fact.
Iranians are not of Arab descent.
They are Persians.
All junk and waste of resources.
Pretty much the story of your life eh? Why don't you get a real job?
Been there done that. Retired now. Finished with actual work.
I take care of home and wife and that is enough for me.
Being debt free other than annoying small student loan payments per month which will not be paid off until after I die... is freedom itself.
Noble sentiments. I will not attack you if you will refrain from inciting war. Doing this endangers us all. Who do you actually work for? Family or Bankers?
Probably so, but not in the way you think. All they have to do is sink a few ships in the Strait of Hormuz and we are all cooked geese for Thanksgiving!
Next New Moon on Thanksgiving. January 16, 1991 the day the U. S. invaded Kuwait there was a New Moon.
If the Middle East is afraid of a nuclear armed Iran then the MIDDLE EAST should do something about it. Why the hell should we get sucked into this thing?? Israel is reported to have about 200 nukes so it's not like they would be negotiating from a position of weakness. The United States cannot afford another stupid war. We are financially broke, and vastly overextended across the globe and we stand to gain NOTHING (again) from another conflict in the middle east.
Why? Because the Banksters will order their dummy, Barry Teleprompter, to go after the shi'ite slackers who won't obey their 'zionist masters!'
You are thinking like an intelligent person. World is full of either idiots or devils.
Your hand is on the gas pump and much of that comes from over there.
Back east alot of our cooking gas came from Iran by ship.
Sooooo, we should blow Iran off the map so they have no more production capability?
Don't mess with the Israelis. Or Jews anywhere on Earth. We will mess you up good.
Go blow your dog -dickwad
You have done a pretty good job of that already.
And you wonder why you're hated. Talk about dense.
' Holocaust Hype Articles '
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=309
http://www.holohoax101.com/
Holohoax 101 - The Fundamentals of the Holocaust Hoax The First Holohoax, During World War OneThe book The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During and After World War One by Don Heddeshemimer is documented with reprints of articles from the New York Times and other Jewish press that claimed that there was a holocaust of the Jews during World War One. For example, see the article by Martin Glynn, the former Mayor of New York, describing a holocaust of six million Jews published in 1919 at http://www.codoh.com/incon/incrucifix.html Heddesheimer missed the systematic and murderous extermination of six million Jews in 1906, as reported in the New York Times, see http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2010/01/ny-times-reports-in-1906-that-russias.html
From a review of the book on amazon.com, "I guess they would call it 'Chutzpah', to publicly use the same big lie twice within the span of twenty or so years." Note: Amazon removed the quoted review.
Rabbi Stephen Wise, founder of the American Jewish Congress and assistant to Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, the leader of the Zionist movement in the US, was instrumental in creating the WW I hoax, and led the efforts to resurrect the hoax during WW II.
You better believe the Iranians have dirty bombs ready to launch-and if they really get pissed watch out for brown people coughing at the salad bar!!!
Oh how soon we forget,, Hey kiddies..remember the USSR? Yea that one,,the one that fell all apart and split to shit with rouge nations selling nuclear warheads to anyfvkinbody with some cash? Ya think maybe IRAN mighta bought a few of those BIGASS mutherfvkerz and maybe have them sitting in locations like isntreal and maybe anyone else they might want to get even with? Now being I play chess as well, that is the way I would do it..who needs a delivery system?
Paper tiger. There is satellite and other technologies that can detect the presence and specific locations of nukes on earth.
True that.
The Scales at Knoxville come to mind.
Iran is bringing a spork to a knife fight-- or playing chicken with a riding mower-- or waving a pistol around its own head, pick your metaphor. Of course, I fully expect the American people to somehow end up paying with blood and treasure for some role in this nightmare.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/21/john-f-kennedy-oppossed-israels-power/
How does this apply to nuclear weapons? What do we think we know?Ouch! The big issue today is the potential for war in the Middle East and two countries and their “nuclear arsenals,” Israel and Iran.
ISRAELIsraeli Nuclear Weapon Core Model - Dimona - Mordechai Vanunu Photo
Israel can’t “legally” have nuclear weapons. If they did, they would have to be subject to UN sanctions and the US would be forced to invade and take them away.
So, the deal is, Israel says they don’t have them, then they “wink” and say they have hundreds of them and say they can blow up anyone they want.
Last week they “announced” that they were now capable of attacking the United States with nuclear weapons.
But you say they are our ally? Certainly you have heard hundreds of politicians swear their dying loyalty to Israel. Do they mean it?
Not a chance, they get thousands, even millions in bribe money from key “Israeli elements” and pass on billions in foreign aid to Israel.
The key to proving Israel has nuclear weapons is a man name Mordechai Vanunu. Eileen Fleming of Veterans Today writes about Vanunu.
The Eyes of Mordechai Vanunu - Eighteen Years in Solitary Confinement - We All Owe Him a Lot For His Courage
The other issue is our “friendship” with Israel. At the G20 conference a few days ago, French President Sarkozy “let the cat out of the bag.”
France, America and “others” don’t like Israel all that much, not just the 107 nations that want Israel thrown out of the UN, but her “14? friends.
We suspect, just “suspect,” mind you, that Israel might be a bit angry at President Obama.
There is some evidence that they are angry at him. He got rid of Gaddafi their secret “best friend” next to Mubarak of Egypt, and he has been saying nasty things about them behind their back that many of us consider “pro-American.”
Besides Looking Into His Eyes - I Wanted You to See His Signature
For this we suspect an “incident” was staged.” We have reason to believe that Israel has threatened to assassinate President Obama, good reason.
The trail of Israel’s illegal nukes and their desire to be the only one in the “neighborhood” with them has raised some questions. President Kennedy demanded Israel dismantle its nuclear program in 1963 and died, rather conveniently, soon afterward. Vanunu, as we know, spent nearly 2 decades in solidarity confinement for whistleblowing.
Another “fact” is that, though Israel claims and “unclaims” it has hundreds of nuclear weapons, the only possible source of the fissionable material would have required tons of weapons grade enriched uranium and plutonium to have been stolen from the United States and other nations.
IRANUntil 2003, Iran had sought nuclear weapons. Iran then dismantled its military program and opened for full inspection. Numerous reports such as the recent National Intelligence Estimate from 2007 that stated, categorically, that Iran had no nuclear weapons program. From Foreign Policy:
Congressman Ron Paul
What is made clear is that there is pressure on the CIA and other agencies to falsify a report based on wishes of the Israel lobby, AIPAC, that will be used to blackmail President Obama into attacking Iran much as President Bush attacked Iraq, an action now generally accepted as a “war crime.”
In fact, there is increasing evidence that the 1991 attack on Iraq by the Senior President Bush was a war crime as well, as stated before congress by Representative Ron Paul.
The real surprise came recently when Mike Harris broke the story of Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons from the Ukraine in 2003. This was a real “game changer” in the balance of power in the Middle East.
It makes everything we have been told not only false, but exposes secret protocols between Israel and Iran that make the news we are hearing little more than a fictional backdrop.
What the Banksters can't control they blow up. Moammar wanted a gold-backed dinar to price his oil in. Well, that really worked out. Don't stiff the IMF, you bedouin slackers! Now they have to take time off from beefing up the Geheime Staatzpolizei here in the USSA to whack the Imams back in line, but, hey, they get gas up to $300/bbl. What's a little fallout between friends?
I was going to say this was one of the most boring threads on ZH to date, an absolute no contest. But Tyler, I love the irony of the add to meet Iranian Gals. Are they spies?
No, I have checked and none of them have ever been associated with the CIA.
Wow ! What a friendly crowd, we should all get together and mix in a lot of alcohol ....
hey fvkujim i'll kick your ass 3 ways from sunday with or without a gut full of JD..pussy
Whois the mutherfvker that junked me? show yourself.. dont make me come over there cause you wont want the shit i am gona lay on your limp wristed faggoty azz.
God i hate fags like you. u prolly b a fvkin kike as well?
well u dirt coksvker, u did it again.. now u really pizzed me off..I fvkin hate you.. You will die for this- that is for sure and certain.. watch your back you chickenshit aids infested sack of rotten dogshit.
Im gona stomp you into a fvkin coma.
You have my undivided attention. I gave you a junk for this post, guess that makes me a "sukrz." You are very silly. But you know that. People have fought and died for your freedom of speech. Is this what you will do with it? If so, carry on, it is your right.
TD:
Time to pull the plug on this MORON!
Please consider a personal exercise program. Thank you.
....and guns.
Screw Israel, all I see are lies, greed and bloodthurst. This can't go on and I am glad someone stands up against the biggest terrorist state in history.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/12/video-the-roots-of-christian-zionism/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/03/no-benefit-for-united-states-in-attacking-iran/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/03/no-benefit-for-united-states-in-attacking-iran/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/13/the-real-story-of-how-israel-was-created/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/16/romneys-foreign-policy-advisors-are-culled-from-the-pro-israel-community/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/27/joshua-blakeney-on-911-and-%e2%80%9cterrorism%e2%80%9d/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/01/the-zionist-lobby%e2%80%99s-first-lady-in-us-congress/'
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/08/warmongers-eager-for-more-blood-letting/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/11/introduction-to-the-israel-lobby/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/14/israel-deal-gives-them-missle-for-us-threat/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/16/americas-political-eunuchs/
Israel is in a real bind. Does China (usually) support Israel or Iran? How about the Russians? How about all of Europe?? Japan is pacifist......so that leaves the good ol' US of A. And how many youngin's are gonna line up to fight YET ANOTHER middle east war, at a time when 99% of the folks in this country are working harder for less, if they are working at all? The Middle east is a powder keg, and the banksters did not do the Israelies any favors by stealing from the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET. We are broke, and that's that. Diplomacy is the only option, and Iran seems to know it. Our "allies" in Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan are basically showing us the door. And we just "liberated" Libya only to see Shaira law come to town. No more "liberations" on our dime.....please.
It's ok they hired all the dudes from Castro St. to go fight in the armed services now. I'm sure they'll make fine buttsecs, I mean soldiers.
Ask, don't tell you brute!
TO HELL WITH TALMUDIC ZISRAEL
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/06/israels-hate-runs-deep/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/09/israel-to-be-exempt-from-foreign-aid-cuts/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/23/68983/
RICHARD EDMONDSON: ORIGINS OF THE WORD “GOY”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/24/israeli-control-of-america-a-veterans-today-reader-comments/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/28/dual-loyalty-revisited/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/20/gordon-duff-israeli-rabbi-gentiles-need-to-die/
GORDON DUFF: PROMINENT ISRAELI RABBI: “GENTILES NEED TO DIE” 16NETANYAHU'S SPIRITUAL PARTNER, RABBI YOSEF
“GOYIM HAVE NO PLACE IN THE WORLD”By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
“Gentiles need to die….goyim have no place in the world.” This was part of a rambling diatribe of racist slurs heard on Israel’s Channel 10 this weekend, The perpetrator? Leader of the Israeli Sephardic community, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, founder of the Shas Party, part of the Likud coalition headed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
This isn’t the first time Rabbi Yosef has said these things. The immensely popular Likudist Rabbi, when not calling for the slaughter of Palestinians or advocating the destruction of Christianity, offers recipes, marriage tips and lots of advice on how Jews can rule the world as the new “master race.” Rabbi Yosef is a combination of Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson with more than a touch of Adolf Hitler thrown in for moderation.
Nearly every day now, the world is subjected to one claim or another by a “spiritual” leader in Israel. One day it’s “G-d created the planet ONLY for Jews” or the continual diatribes against Christianity, “Jesus was a criminal and liar, spending eternity in excrement and his mother, Mary, was a whore.” This one is repeated so often it is tiring.
A couple of years ago, “The Naked Archeologist,” a relatively entertaining cable television show hosted by a former IDF commando, “debunked” the entire Christian religion. A family tomb, reputedly that of the family of Jesus, was unearthed in Jerusalem. Removed from this tomb were the inscribed coffins, reputedly with the skeletal remains of, not only Jesus himself, but Mary Magdalene and the Apostle Peter, and any number of other biblical figures believed elsewhere.
"Goyim" believe St. Peter's tomb is in Rome.....
Most significant is the claim of finding the remains of St. Peter. The Catholic Church is founded on the belief that Peter is entombed in Rome, his burial spot being the spiritual and geographical center of the Catholic religion.
NOT JUST “EXCREMENT” FOR CHRIST…..
When the National Endowment of the Arts paid $15,000 of taxpayer funds to an artist who photographed a plastic crucifix in a glass of his own urine, the message wasn’t an accident. This was an expression of, not only blasphemous contempt, but of power and control. The message was clear, Christianity is the religion of the cattle and the state is empowered to “endow” any message it wishes reminding, fund anything, any effort, no matter now inane, how barbaric, how wasteful or absurd.
ISRAELI ENTERTAINMENT, “THE GOYIM SMACKDOWN”
Saturday’s broadcast by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef was punctuated with continual laughter, riotous at times, from an audience clearly enjoying his message:
THE NEA'S "PISS CHRIST"..$15,000 OF TAXPAYER FUNDS
Rabbi Yosef wasn’t clear if he was referring to the United States and the billions of dollars in aid given to Israel, the world’s third largest arms exporter or making reference to a conspiratorial financial entity bent on enslaving the world. The more the Rabbi talked, the smaller the gulf became between mankind, his “master race” and the “g-d” he seems to act as both exclusive agent and negotiator for.
The Rabbi, called by some “Madman Yosef” went on:
Rabbi Yosef is the spiritual head of the Shas Party, a member of the Likud coalition, which won 11 seats in the recent election and supports Prime Minister Netanyahu. Oddly, however, the Shas Party claims that the Ashkenazi Jews, those of European dissent, wrongly control Israel and are not genuinely members of “g-d’s chosen.” Things have been rocky for the Shas Party as their former leader, Areh Dari, onetime Minister of the Interior, was jailed in 2000 for allegedly accepting bribes. Since that time, Shas has joined with the extremist Likud Party of Netanyahu.
Yosef is said to despise Netanyahu, an American born Ashkenazi, but accepts Likud rule based on similar views of the role of goyim in the world.
ISRAEL & 911
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/09/15/gordon-duff-is-americas-military-prepared-for-the-israeli-threat/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/27/philip-giraldi-israeli-mossad-spying-in-america/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/27/gordon-duff-domination-by-insects-the-real-new-world-order/
Everything is about control of information. This sounds innocent. We once called it propaganda and, on occasion, when pointing fingers at others, even used the term “thought control.” It is now more, much more. Reality cannot exist when it is defined through media.
Reality is scripted, events are scripted. Sense experiences and perceptions, the bases for intuitive reason, are now blocked by a great “spam filter,” flushed from consideration while “message and spin” are the foundations of “judgement.”
Wars no longer are started by hatreds or ill conceived alliances, they are simply written and acted out.
Everything that happens, terror attacks, invasions, everything is defined, scripted and staged. There is no winning or losing, casualties no longer matter, there are no victors only those who profit and those who pay.
The term “Orwellian” is far from adequate. We are certainly creating a “new man” but more in the mode of William Shockley. Rather than the “inferior” breeding themselves back to the stone age, we could easily surmise that those dependent on, not only “information” but the cultural systems the information age has brought us, the competition for our attention that has made the basest elements the most viable, will breed themselves out of humanity itself. Those aspects of character that were once valued, independence, real self reliance, intellectual discipline, human ingenuity and the need to learn, question and explore, will disappear from mankind entirely.
We are being bred, not into a form of primitive man but rather as a form of insect. The “hive” existence is best expressed by Rabbi Yosef of the Israel’s Likud ruling coalition:
Were such a statement to bring about an outcry for a public stoning or a new “holocaust” against the Jews, we could recognize our barbaric remnants. That there were only two reactions, cheering throngs and those choosing to “look away” is the reaction of the “new man,” the worker, the slave, the hive mentality, man as an insect. Military forces, whose support impoverishes half the nations on earth, are not being trained for wars but to enforce the hierarchy of the hive. Their training is enforcing compliance, not defense or attack. They train to kick down doors, crush resistance, create fear, enforce will and demand submission.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/17/mccain-begins-attack-on-military-and-vets/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/12/how-the-fbis-network-of-informants-actually-created-most-of-the-terrorist-plots-foiled-in-the-us-since-911/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/06/irna-iranian-news-agency-interview-on-palestine/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/29/reason-and-rationality-in-public-debate-the-case-of-ron-paul/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/30/the-western-anti-german-narrative/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/09/suppressing-the-truth/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/23/american-reality-check-dr-alan-sabrosky-on-911/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/24/part-2-american-reality-check-dr-alan-sabrosky-on-911-video/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/20/jim-condit-jr-help-me-make-the-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-a-household-word/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/05/philip-tourney-i-dont-blame-you-yet-reflections-on-the-uss-liberty-cover-up/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/01/on-how-holy-war-with-iran-might-destroy-the-united-states/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/02/uss-liberty-and-acts-of-congress/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/12/uss-liberty-song-please-can-you-tell-me/
ZISRAEL IS THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at this: http://www.jm-rico.at/
Sheds some light on the IEAE.
I want to invade Lebanon- they have hot women or maybe Venezuela or even brazil
Naw u dont want those dark haird bitchez..the pussy hair is way too course,,get a rash on your nose..blonds .. now that is the silk there.. dine on that gash for days and never have even so much as sore tongue...get a clue..u prolly live in mom's basement
U fvkers suk!
WTF is wrong with you ppl? This post shoulda had 565 green arrows for truth and honesty! I am here with God as my witness to tell ya'll that the pussy hair of blonds have no match when it comes to soft and silkyness. Fvkmeblind the ppl in on this board have to be the mean and nastiest of all.. What a bunch of morons!! anyone with half a brain knows the blond pussy hair rulez!!
IDIOTS!
The 12 Step programs aren't working for you fucktard. We all know you are typing this in your favorite pair of lace panties in your Mom's basement, drunker than a hooty owl. You also post on Alex Jones' websites with the same retarded l33t speak. Yeah, we've got your number asshole.
Did this thread somehow get crossed up with the Larry Flynt forum?
And ofcourse the shabboz goy Cameron will act as the puppet he is.
israel, funny to hear obama complain about nutandyahoo. i bet it does get tiring to watch israel bitchslapping it's self created adversaries while whing to mommy that they are being picked on.
Who wrote the books in 1200-1400? Two hundred years to manage the message by hand and exclusively. So there are the chosen and then the next chosen one deal you can't refuse.
Bringing down Iran is next part of the plan to clean up the shithole known as the middle east, all under false pretenses spoon fed by the govt/msm. Think about it-the msm cries about another war we cannot afford, the USA needs to mind its own business, or we're in another unwinnable war. This general attitude deceitfully gives the public the false premise of fear. The U S and it's allies have been slowly and strategically positioning themselves for this very moment for the last 10 years.
ES is at a crossroads. It is actually coldest right before the dawn. I used to ride a motorcycle to work, and when I used to go in early to get a good workout in before work (I would ride at around 4AM), it was way warmer than when I went in for normal work schedule (riding around 6AM).
And so it is with market turns,
http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/2011/11/intersection-of-hell-and-high-wa...
I thought Tyler said to gamble on shot glass manufacturers. Sounded logical to me.
I thought he said Shotgun Manufacturers so I invested in Mossberg.
This comments thread has me beating a dead horse.
Only to see it neigh and lurch back to life again when some dumb shit anti war person cannot unnderstand anything.
ahhh, that explains your posts - viagra!!
happy tuggin'
That explains nothing and I never took viagra.
Weak wussy girl men use those pills to get it up long enough to satisfy whiny wife.
It's all about the oil.
When China is ready, it won't matter if the U.S. is Israel's ally - the Chinese will buy what they need and push the West out of the Middle East with their new navy bought with U.S. consumer dollars.
They will either win with money and threats or there will be a world war over the oil.
All this sabre rattling may be to raise the price of oil, so NATO's newest conquest, Libya, can sell their's at high prices.
But I'm not entirely sure, for far too many of the USA's and Israel's leadership are religious fanatics! --- What they really want might be, getting all of "Greater Israel" under Israel's control. And they also may want to reduce the population, wealth, and infrastructure of the entire region, as per Samual P Huntington's observations of those demographic issues (in his book, The Clash of Civilizations.).
But Iran and Syria have a mutual defense treaty and Russia appears to have some obligation to help defend Syria, too, as they have military bases in Syria.
So, they tease Russia with WTO membership and China with a share in Africa's resources, to keep them on the sidelines and, then, attack Iran to pull the supports out from behind Syria. Only, then, do they roll into Syria. --- I think their plan must be something like that.
Those lunatics are crazy enough to try it, too. --- But Russia and China have warned. And the public is waking up. So, maybe they desist.
Whatever happens, I hope the price of oil goes up some more before this is over: I want make a fat prophet and barbeque the bastard to celebrate.
Trust me when I tell you I know a little bit about Iran...
Iran poses the single greatest threat to Israel and the United States not because of its nuclear program but because of its ability to mine the Persian Gulf and, specifically, the Straight of Hormuz. This would send the price of oil into the stratosphere and create a USD inflationary spiral that would make the late '70s look like a picnic... oh and by the way, the chaos that would ensue in the Middle East would be music to the ears of the clerical leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran, who believe in a 12er Shia form of Islam; they harbor a sort of messianic belief that the 12th Imam Husein will return to our World during a time of worldwide chaos. In the meantime what happens to Israels ability to bilk 'aid' from US taxpayers when the currency is rendered close to worthless and, for the record, what happens to the United States' empire once it can no longer pay its soldier? Sadly, I believe it possible that they would resort to using the massive cache of nuclear arms which they neither claim nor deny having. As a side note, Israel stands alone with Pakistan in the World as nuclear armed countries that have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (which, granted, is a joke in and of itself).
At whstlblwr, the Persian people of Iran do not have a long history of hating jews. They, unlike the brainwashed American public, simply don't agree with the wholesale acceptance of anything that Israel does no matter how agregious. When one examines the activity of theocratic Israel based solely on its merit, it is no different than any other rogue nation. The oldest continuous Jewish community in the world exists right smack in the middle of Tehran. You have succumbed to the modern press, which intentionally injects venum into all discussions in order to maintain the status quo which requires schism amonst all people. You have no clue what you're talking about. The current regime, I agree, is antisemitic but the greatest hero in modern Iranian history is Mohammed Musadeq, who was an excellent man and remains the national champion, to this day, of the vast majority of the Iranian people. After single-handedly out-debating 7 of Britains finest diplomats in one of the most dramatic events ever to occur at the UN in New York, he booted British Petroleum out of Iran so the CIA, in one of its most blatant and hairbrained operatiions (operation ajax) got rid of him and replaced him with the impotent Shah, who was then deposed by the Ayatollah who magically returned after hanging out in France. Democratically elected Mr. Mossadeq warned that any return to monarchy in Iran would eventually lead to the radical religious elements of Iran taking power and creating great strife for the country, which would with time become more and more dogmatic, anti-semitic, and ostracized... he said this in the '50s... of course, you probably believe that the history of Iran started in 1979. He was a Time 'man of the year' and anybody who wants to know anything about the modern middle east and, specifically, Iran must learn about him.
at this moment, yours is the last comment on this thread constantine, and perhaps the most considered and informed - here's hoping folk have the patience to find you *here* - thanks for taking the time to write of a longer history than the past decade or three, which, in Iran's case, extends further back than Israel, amrka and the rest of the warmongers seeking to invade, yet again.
Thank you constantine.
Well said. Iran has 70,000,000 sovereign citizens and land mass at least three times that of Iraq.
Good luck Israel. We understand that you only want to control the land next to that which you already own. Next new moon Thanksgiving!
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/21/nypd-so-much-to-hide/ Monday, November 21st, 2011 | Posted by Gordon Duff NYPD: So Much to Hide 9A Tale of Two Cops in Cuffs
By Gordon Duff, Senior EditorRetired Philadelphia police captain, Ray Lewis, seen above, detained illegally by a corrupt police department he describes as “Wall Street mercenaries”.
He knows he risks his life by coming out, in uniform, exposing American police as the enemy so many have known them to be for so long.
Why do you think Americans value the right to bear arms? Do you think they fear criminals? Any intelligent American knows the biggest “homegrown threat” is our own police. Any doubts about that are long gone.
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There is a television show, “Bluebloods,” based loosely on a former NYPD Commissioner named Bernie Kerik.
Right winger, Tom Selleck, plays Kerik, the convicted felon who was sold to America as the “hero cop” on 9/11 along with his unindicted and unconvicted “cohort,” Rudy Giuliani.
New York City Police Commissioner, while preparing to take over as Director of Homeland Security for President Bush, heads off to prison on corruption charges:
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Kerik, former “driver” for Giuliani, took over as police commissioner just before 9/11. Immediately thereafter, he was “tasked” to train the Iraqi police, millions, even billions heading his way. Some have heard the story of the “dancing Israeli’s.”
Meet the Five Dancing Israelis
Those who haven’t, who aren’t aware that a Mossad team was arrested filming 9/11, having been sent to the US in advance for that specific purpose, something they bragged about on TV, have to have been hiding under a rock for the last decade.
Today, New York police are taking money directly from the “banksters,” the unpunished but “guilty as hell and easy to prove” scamsters that the “occupy” movement has targeted.
NYPD has proven itself clearly sided against America and working for “the mob.”
Were this the only story, it would be one we have seen before, police as tools of oppression, bribed, bought or simply useless.
However, a story long suppressed, hoped forgotten tells a more serious side of NYPD, not as “mercenaries” but very possibly fully complicit in terrorism as well.
What the New York police really have to hide:
ISRAEL & 911
http://www.ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/p-neff.html
Israel Charged with Systematic Harassment of U.S. MarinesDonald Neff has been a journalist for forty years. He spent 16 years in service for Time Magazine and is a regular contributor to Middle East International and the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. He has written five excellent books on the Middle East.
By Donald Neff
Former Time Magazine Bureau Chief, Israel
Washington Report, March 1995
It was also published in Fifty Years of Israel
It was 12 years ago, on March 14, 1983, that the commandant of the Marine Corps sent a highly unusual letter to the secretary of defense expressing frustration and anger at Israel. General R.H. Barrow charged that Israeli troops were deliberately threatening the lives of Marines serving as peacekeepers in Lebanon. There was, he wrote, a systematic pattern of harassment by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that was resulting in “life-threatening situations, replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and country.”
Barrow’s letter added: “It is inconceivable to me why Americans serving in peacekeeping roles must be harassed, endangered by an ally...It is evident to me, and the opinion of the U.S. commanders afloat and ashore, that the incidents between the Marines and the IDF are timed, orchestrated, and executed for obtuse Israeli political purposes.”1
Israel’s motives were less obtuse than the diplomatic general pretended. It was widely believed then, and now, that Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, one of Israel’s most Machiavellian politician-generals, was creating the incidents deliberately in an effort to convince Washington that the two forces had to coordinate their actions in order to avoid such tensions. This, of course, would have been taken by the Arabs as proof that the Marines were not really in Lebanon as neutral peacekeepers but as allies of the Israelis, a perception that would have obvious advantages for Israel.2
Barrow’s extraordinary letter was indicative of the frustrations and miseries the Marines suffered during their posting to Lebanon starting on Aug. 25, 1982, as a result of Israel’s invasion 11 weeks earlier. Initially a U.S. unit of 800 men was sent to Beirut harbor as part of a multinational force to monitor the evacuation of PLO guerrillas from Beirut. The Marines, President Reagan announced, “in no case... would stay longer than 30 days.”3 This turned out to be only partly true. They did withdraw on Sept. 10, but a reinforced unit of 1,200 was rushed back 15 days later after the massacres at the Palestinian refugee camps at Sabra and Shatila that accompanied the Israeli seizure of West Beirut. The U.S. forces remained until Feb. 26, 1984.4
During their year-and-a-half posting in Lebanon, the Marines suffered 268 killed.5 The casualties started within a week of the return of the Marines in September 1982. On the 30th, a U.S.-made cluster bomb left behind by the Israelis exploded, killing Corporal David Reagan and wounding three other Marines.6
Corporal Reagan’s death represented the dangers of the new mission of the Marines in Lebanon. While their first brief stay had been to separate Israeli forces from Palestinian fighters evacuating West Beirut, their new mission was as part of a multinational force sent to prevent Israeli troops from attacking the Palestinian civilians left defenseless there after the withdrawal of PLO forces. As President Reagan said: “For this multinational force to succeed, it is essential that Israel withdraw from Beirut.”7
“Incidents are timed, orchestrated, and executed for Israeli political purposes.”Israel’s siege of Beirut during the summer of 1982 had been brutal and bloody, reaching a peak of horror on Aug. 12, quickly known as Black Thursday. On that day, Sharon’s forces launched at dawn a massive artillery barrage that lasted for 11 straight hours and was accompanied by saturation air bombardment.8 As many as 500 persons, mainly Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, were killed.9
On top of the bombardment came the massacres the next month at Sabra and Shatila, where Sharon’s troops allowed Lebanese Maronite killers to enter the camps filled with defenseless civilians. The massacres sickened the international community and pressure from Western capitals finally forced Israel to withdraw from Beirut in late September. Troops from Britain, France, Italy and the United States were interposed between the Israeli army and Beirut, with U.S. Marines deployed in the most sensitive area south of Beirut at the International Airport, directly between Israeli troops and West Beirut.
It was at the airport that the Marines would suffer their Calvary over the next year. Starting in January 1983, small Israeli units began probing the Marine lines. At first the effort appeared aimed at discovering the extent of Marine determination to resist penetration. The lines proved solid and the Marines’ determination strong. Israeli troops were politely but firmly turned away. Soon the incidents escalated, with both sides pointing loaded weapons at each other but no firing taking place. Tensions were high enough by late January that a special meeting between U.S. and Israeli officers was held in Beirut to try to agree on precise boundaries beyond which the IDF would not penetrate.10
No Stranger to the MarinesHowever, on Feb. 2 a unit of three Israeli tanks, led by Israeli Lt. Col. Rafi Landsberg, tried to pass through Marine/Lebanese Army lines at Rayan University Library in south Lebanon. By this time, Landsberg was no stranger to the Marines. Since the beginning of January he had been leading small Israeli units in probes against the Marine lines, although such units would normally have a commander no higher than a sergeant or lieutenant. The suspicion grew that Sharon’s troops were deliberately provoking the Marines and Landsberg was there to see that things did not get out of hand. The Israeli tactics were aimed more at forcing a joint U.S.-Israeli strategy than merely probing lines.
In the Feb. 2 incident, the checkpoint was commanded by Marine Capt. Charles Johnson, who firmly refused permission for Landsberg to advance. When two of the Israeli tanks ignored his warning to halt, Johnson leaped on Landsberg’s tank with pistol drawn and demanded Landsberg and his tanks withdraw. They did.11
Landsberg and the Israeli embassy in Washington tried to laugh off the incident, implying that Johnson was a trigger-happy John Wayne type and that the media were exaggerating a routine event. Landsberg even went so far as to claim that he smelled alcohol on Johnson’s breath and that drunkenness must have clouded his reason. Marines were infuriated because Johnson was well known as a teetotaler. Americans flocked to Johnson’s side. He received hundreds of letters from school children, former Marines and from Commandant Barrow.12 It was a losing battle for the Israelis and Landsberg soon dropped from sight.
But the incidents did not stop. These now included “helicopter harassment,” by which U.S.-made helicopters with glaring spotlights were flown by the Israelis over Marine positions at night, illuminating Marine outposts and exposing them to potential attack. As reports of these incidents piled up, Gen. Barrow received a letter on March 12 from a U.S. Army major stationed in Lebanon with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO). The letter described a systematic pattern of Israeli attacks and provocations against UNTSO troops, including instances in which U.S. officers were singled out for “near-miss” shootings, abuse and detention.13 That same day two Marine patrols were challenged and cursed by Israeli soldiers.14
Two days later Barrow wrote his letter to Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, who endorsed it and sent it along to the State Department. High-level meetings were arranged and the incidents abated, perhaps largely because by this time Ariel Sharon had been fired as defense minister. He had been found by an Israeli commission to have had “personal responsibility” for the Sabra and Shatila massacres.15
Despite the bad taste left from the clashes with the Israelis, in fact no Marines had been killed in the incidents and their lines had been secure up to the end of winter in 1983. Then Islamic guerrillas, backed by Iran, became active. On the night of April 17, 1983, an unknown sniper fired a shot that went through the trousers of a Marine sentry but did not harm him. For the first time, the Marines returned fire.16
The next day, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was blown up by a massive bomb, with the loss of 63 lives. Among the 17 Americans killed were CIA Mideast specialists, including Robert C. Ames, the agency’s top Middle East expert.17 Disaffected former Israeli Mossad case officer Victor Ostrovsky later claimed that Israel had advance information about the bombing plan but had decided not to inform the United States, a claim denied by Israel.18 The Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. Veteran correspondent John Cooley considered the attack “the day [Iranian leader Ayatollah] Khomeini’s offensive against America in Lebanon began in earnest.”19
Still, it was not until four months later, on Aug. 28, that Marines came under direct fire by rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons at International Airport. They returned fire with M-16 rifles and M-60 machine guns. The firefight resumed the next day with Marines firing 155mm artillery, 81mm mortars and rockets from Cobra helicopter gunships against Shi’i Muslim positions. Two Marines were killed and 14 wounded in the exchange, the first casualties in actual combat since the Marines had landed the previous year.20
From this time on, the combat involvement of the Marines grew. Their actions were generally seen as siding with Israel against Muslims, slowly changing the status of the Marines as neutral peacekeepers to opponents of the Muslims.21 Israel could hardly have wished for more. The polarization meant that increasingly the conflict was being perceived in terms of the U.S., Israel and Lebanon’s Christians against Iran, Islam and Lebanon’s Shi’i Muslims.
Accelerating the ConflictIsrael accelerated the building conflict on Sept. 3, 1993 by unilaterally withdrawing its troops southward, leaving the Marines exposed behind their thin lines at the airport. The United States had asked the Israeli government to delay its withdrawal until the Marines could be replaced by units of the Lebanese army, but Israel refused.22 The result was as feared. Heavy fighting immediately broke out between the Christian Lebanese Forces and the pro-Syrian Druze units, both seeking to occupy positions evacuated by Israel, while the Marines were left in the crossfire.23 On Sept. 5, two Marines were killed and three wounded as fighting escalated between Christian and Muslim militias.24
In an ill-considered effort to subdue the combat, the Sixth Fleet frigate Bowen fired several five-inch naval guns, hitting Druze artillery positions in the Chouf Mountains that were firing into the Marine compound at Beirut airport.25 It was the first time U.S. ships had fired into Lebanon, dramatically raising the level of combat. But the Marines’ exposed location on the flat terrain of the airport left them in an impossible position. On Sept. 12, three more Marines were wounded.26
On Sept. 13, President Reagan authorized what was called aggressive self-defense for the Marines, including air and naval strikes.27 Five days later the United States essentially joined the war against the Muslims when four U.S. warships unleashed the heaviest naval bombardment since Vietnam into Syrian and Druze positions in eastern Lebanon in support of the Lebanese Christians.28 The bombardment lasted for three days and was personally ordered by National Security Council director Robert McFarlane, a Marine Corps officer detailed to the White House who was in Lebanon at the time and was also a strong supporter of Israel and its Lebanese Maronite Christian allies. McFarlane issued the order despite the fact that the Marine commander at the airport, Colonel Timothy Geraghty, strenuously argued against it because, in the words of correspondent Thomas L. Friedman, “he knew that it would make his soldiers party to what was now clearly an intra-Lebanese fight, and that the Lebanese Muslims would not retaliate against the Navy’s ships at sea but against the Marines on shore.”29
By now, the Marines were under daily attack and Muslims were charging they were no longer neutral.30 At the same time the battleship USS New Jersey, with 16-inch guns, arrived off Lebanon, increasing the number of U.S. warships offshore to 14. Similarly, the Marine contingent at Beirut airport was increased from 1,200 to 1,600.31
A Tragic ClimaxThe fight now was truly joined between the Shi’i Muslims and the Marines, who were essentially pinned down in their airport bunkers and under orders not to take offensive actions. The tragic climax of their predicament came on Oct. 23, when a Muslim guerrilla drove a truck past guards at the Marine airport compound and detonated an explosive with the force of 12,000 pounds of dynamite under a building housing Marines and other U.S. personnel. Almost simultaneously, a car-bomb exploded at the French compound in Beirut. Casualties were 241 Americans and 58 French troops killed. The bombings were the work of Hezbollah, made up of Shi’i Muslim guerrillas supported by Iran.;32
America’s agony increased on Dec. 3, when two carrier planes were downed by Syrian missiles during heavy U.S. air raids on eastern Lebanon.;33 On the same day, eight Marines were killed in fighting with Muslim militiamen around the Beirut airport.;34
By the start of 1984, an all-out Shi’i Muslim campaign to rid Lebanon of all Americans was underway. The highly respected president of the American University of Beirut, Dr. Malcolm Kerr, a distinguished scholar of the Arab world, was gunned down on Jan. 18 outside his office by Islamic militants aligned with Iran.;35 On Feb. 5, Reagan made one of his stand-tall speeches by saying that “the situation in Lebanon is difficult, frustrating and dangerous. But this is no reason to turn our backs on friends and to cut and run.”;36
The next day Professor Frank Regier, a U.S. citizen teaching at AUB, was kidnapped by Muslim radicals.;37 Regier’s kidnapping was the beginning of a series of kidnappings of Americans in Beirut that would hound the Reagan and later the Bush administrations for years and lead to the eventual expulsion of nearly all Americans from Lebanon where they had prospered for more than a century. Even today Americans still are prohibited from traveling to Lebanon.
The day after Regier’s kidnapping, on Feb. 7, 1984, Reagan suddenly reversed himself and announced that all U.S. Marines would shortly be “redeployed.” The next day the battleship USS New Jersey fired 290 rounds of one-ton shells from its 16-inch guns into Lebanon as a final act of U.S. frustration.;38 Reagan’s “redeployment” was completed by Feb. 26, when the last of the Marines retreated from Lebanon.
The mission of the Marines had been a humiliating failure?not because they failed in their duty but because the political backbone in Washington was lacking. The Marines had arrived in 1982 with all sides welcoming them. They left in 1984 despised by many and the object of attacks by Muslims. Even relations with Israel were strained, if not in Washington where a sympathetic Congress granted increased aid to the Jewish state to compensate it for the costs of its bungled invasion, then between the Marines and Israeli troops who had confronted each other in a realpolitik battlefield that was beyond their competence or understanding. The Marine experience in Lebanon did not contribute toward a favorable impression of Israel among many Americans, especially since the Marines would not have been in Lebanon except for Israel’s unprovoked invasion.
This negative result is perhaps one reason a number of Israelis and their supporters today oppose sending U.S. peacekeepers to the Golan Heights as part of a possible Israeli-Syrian peace treaty. A repeat of the 1982-84 experience would certainly not be in Israel’s interests at a time when its supporters are seeking to have a budget-conscious Congress continue unprecedented amounts of aid to Israel.
Again, I don't care about gas prices. Horses do just fine as long you have Pasture and lumber to maintain a wagon (Plus a blacksmith forge to handle the iron work)
However, our nation does run on fuel. First out will be fuel, then food and then vital goods.
Where are the masses going to be when they are confronted with no provisions when they fail to prepare ahead of time with at least 6 months food and water along with weapons to secure same backed by a alternate bug out location?
We seem to live in a time of plenty. Now is the time to prepare before the coming of winter.
Those of you who junk me, junk away... Ive been here over a year and only a few posters have made it worth my time. It is better to offer counter evidence than simple cheap shots at manhood or other crap that infects a grade school playground.
It is obvious the truth as I see it vs Iran burns and hurts you down deep. And junking satisfy that pain.
When I junk someone for something I usually stand up and reply to that person and post and say why. That usually leads to some kind of understanding one way or another.
Think again grasshopper.
The amazing thing is how brainwashed Americans are to Israel and all the evil it represents. Iran complies with and has signed most of the UN nuclear accords. Israel stole nuclear material in the 1950's and 60's and has 200-300 nukes and has not signed or abides by any nuke accord.
Not to mention the "Samson Option" where is Israel feels like it's going to be attacked on all sides , it will nuke most European major cities. Then there is the money laundering, organ trafficking, Ecstasy trade, it goes on and on. Not to mention how they have uspurped American politics, spy on the USA, sell secrets to China, sink our ships, etc....
Israel is nothing but a criminal front for the Rothschilds and is one of the most corrupt and evil countries on the planet. But idiot Americans listen to shills like fat boy Hagee who says jooz are the "Chosen of God," etc... Yes, they are the "Chosen," but their "God" takes the Cosmic Elevator down, not up!
Personally, if they attack Iran, I hope Iran uses nukes, chemicals and biologicals on the bastards in Israel. It's a country just crying out to be destroyed.
Don't leave out the ongoing and many decades long genocide of the Palestinian people and the ongoing theft of their land.
Israel is nothing but a criminal front for the Rothschilds from the beginning!
*happy ZH B/Day to you... squexx !
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/21/john-f-kennedy-oppossed-israels-power/
Not that Iran isn't another distraction *but* anybody who didn't think Iran was doing weapons research was kidding themselves.
jeezus the Zio-trolls in this thread are relentless ... and annoying
When crooked politicians start wars to benefit the wealthy elites, many innocent lives are lost.
People are the same everywhere, they only dress and smell different.
That is no reason to kill them. Don't fall for lies leaders tell you that people from a certain
country are bad and deserve to die. Our bombs kill women and children as well as soldiers.
Would you murder children to pay less at the pump? The U.S.A. does. We can change that.
I hope I live to see Iran shit on Israel's moustache.
The book The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During and After World War One by Don Heddeshemimer is documented with reprints of articles from the New York Times and other Jewish press that claimed that there was a holocaust of the Jews during World War One. For example, see the article by Martin Glynn, the former Mayor of New York, describing a holocaust of six million Jews published in 1919 at http://www.codoh.com/incon/incrucifix.html Heddesheimer missed the systematic and murderous extermination of six million Jews in 1906, as reported in the New York Times, see http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2010/01/ny-times-reports-in-1906-that-russias.html
America wins bitchez
Sorry, American rednecks.
You get to die because Jews and Muslims can't get along.
Well done.
Ironic, isn't it?! Indeed, poetic.
AIPAC,AIPAC,AIPAC,AIPAC,AIPAC,
Cracks Open in Iran Nuke Charges
1http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/21/cracks-open-in-iran-nuke-charges... Many Washington pundits who championed the false tales about Iraq’s WMD have returned to center stage in the new accusations about Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program. And some of the Iran charges are falling apart just like the Iraq ones, as Gareth Porter reports.
By Gareth PorterA former inspector for the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has repudiated its major new claim that Iran built an explosives chamber to test components of a nuclear weapon and carry out a simulated nuclear explosion.
The IAEA claim that a foreign scientist – identified in news reports as Vyacheslav Danilenko – had been involved in building the alleged containment chamber also has now been denied firmly by Danilenko himself in an interview with Radio Free Europe published on Friday.
The latest report by the IAEA cited “information provided by Member States” that Iran had constructed “a large explosives containment vessel in which to conduct hydrodynamic experiments” – meaning simulated explosions of nuclear weapons – in its Parchin military complex in 2000.
The report said it had “confirmed” that a “large cylindrical object” housed at the same complex had been “designed to contain the detonation of up to 70 kilograms of high explosives”. That amount of explosives, it said, would be “appropriate” for testing a detonation system to trigger a nuclear weapon.
But former IAEA inspector Robert Kelley has denounced the agency’s claims about such a containment chamber as “highly misleading”.