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Iran Launching "Massive" Ten Day War Game Tomorrow In Close Proximity To CVN-74 John Stennis

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As the rest of the world enjoys Festivus or whatever celebration one indulges in, Iran is launching a "massive" 10 day war games naval exercise right in the belly of the beast. From Xinhua: "Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari on Thursday announced the upcoming launch of ten-day massive naval exercises in the international waters, the local satellite Press TV reported. Sayyari said at a press conference on Thursday that the naval maneuvers dubbed Velayat 90 will start on Saturday and will cover an area of 2,000 (1,250-mile) km stretching from the east of the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Aden, the report said. This is the first time that Iran's Navy carries out naval drills in such a vast area, he was quoted as saying. He said that the exercises will manifest Iran's military prowess and defense capabilities in the international waters, convey a message of peace and friendship to regional countries and test the newest military equipment among other objectives, said the report. He added that the newest missile systems and torpedoes will be employed in the maneuvers, adding that the most recent tactics used in subsurface battles will also be demonstrated. Iranian destroyers, missile-launching vessels, logistic vessels, drones and coastal missiles will also be tested, said the Iranian commander, according to the report." And while conventional wisdom is that the market is focused on what the upcoming closure of the Straits of Hormuz means for tanker routs and oil prices, there is another more disturbing possibility: with all those Iranian canoes, and soapboxes floating around, one wonders if one is bound to have a close encounter with USS CVN-74 John Stennis, which as the updated naval map below from Stratfor shows, will be smack in the middle of the action.

More on this potential powder keg:

Closing Strait of Hurmoz is under full control of Iran, he said but did not mention about the exercise to close it, according to the state IRIB TV website.


Earlier this month, Parviz Sorouri, a member of the Iranian Majlis (parliament) National Security and Foreign Policy Commission, said that Iran plans to practice its ability to close the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most important passages for exports of crude and oil products from littoral states of Persian Gulf.


Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said later that closing the Strait of Hormuz is not on Iran's agenda.


As Iran has announced it several times, the issue of closing the Strait of Hormuz is not on Iran's agenda since Iran believes in upholding the stability and peace of the region," said Mehmanparast.

Alas, that's not the question: the question is what does everyone else believe is the best optics of representing Iran as believing in. Because if a US support vessel has to sink to make popular support for this and that a little more palatable, then sink it will. On its own if it has to.


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Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:32 | 2007088 GeneMarchbanks
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That sounds about right...

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:48 | 2007130 spiral_eyes
Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:52 | 2007151 spiral_eyes
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More importantly:

Iran guilty for 9/11. Also guilty of saying Jews, cute puppies, polar bears and the Dalai Lama should be wiped off the map.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:06 | 2007186 Buckaroo Banzai
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Oh, poo. False-flag ops always get scheduled around war games, exercises, etc.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:10 | 2007201 tooktheredpill
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Festivus... don't forget the airing of greivances and the feats of strength

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:08 | 2007726 AldousHuxley
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McCain got tired of his first model wife after she got ugly due to car accident, so he ditched her for upgrade to beer distributor heiress who can finance his political career.

Now he is tired of old warm beer and plastic surgery has reached the limits of science and nature.

McCain himself is about to die, so he wants to satisfy his old white man craving for something expectations be damned.


Answer:  Persian Belly dancer.


Of course, best persian belly dancers are in Iran, so McCain must invade Iran for his last conquest of his life.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:14 | 2007739 Randall Cabot
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Smoke another one, Al.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:40 | 2008012 TruthInSunshine
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The case for another multi-trillion dollar war on Iran is being made behind closed doors right now - at least the 'official' case that will be sold to the public - in order to provide those trillions in taxpayer siphoned subsidies for the Military-Industrial-Financial Complex that rules all, and has completely and totally swallowed up any notion of indirect or direct democracy, and has redeemed the certificates of ownership over the alleged 'elected representative' who were 'voted into office' by an illusion of choice presented by the Kabuki Theater of Modern Day American Politics.

The Fractional Reserve Banksters and the Military-Industrial-Financial Complex want a new war, this time with Iran, and they will get it soon enough.

Hoist the Black Flag and row, row, row, indebted serfs in the new fractional reserve bankster fiefdom.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:21 | 2008131 NoVolumeMeltup
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Our tradition of representative government has become a cantankerous, squawking body of seagulls charging at every scrap of fish entrails that gets dropped (or left by the Squid). You sirs and madams are not "Honorable" in any sense that I know the word.

And most abhorrently we cause the murder, destruction and poisioning of people with whom we have no beef so that Military Industrial Complex contractors can have Dom and Beluga caviar at their "Holiday" parties.

We must understand how this happened to correct it. It bears correcting. In fact it's begging for it. Lately, I can strike up a conversation with a complete stranger of any path or creed and in short work we agree that we're getting screwed and we don't know of any practical recourse. Even curmudgeonly Uncle Earl who views national politics like an NFL game (or Premier League for our friends across the pond) and clings to his team colors understands that "things jes ain't right lately".

But the ramifications extend far beyond idle chit-chat. No, the very core or who we are as a species is being defined by vile misanthropes who would see beauty and harmony expunged from the record. Our cultural souls are being sold so they can amass gold trinkets in rooms off limits to us, yet guarded by us. And we marvel at the insanity of it all. Let us instead opt for clarity in a new vision which we'll cover shortly.

In inspecting the roots of offensive and malignant growth, we see the same cause as most bodily disease; neglect. The systemic disassociation of our true nature, the separation from the higher mind and the debasement of our heritage and birthrights all share this common source. And how much more troubling is it that this collective illness is harvested by evil scientists?

The good news is that this is reversible, but there is no snake-oil or superficial cure. You'll notice that people and groups are rushing headlong into movements that look to have world-changing potential and this scares the ever-lovin' shit out of The Powers that Were. Tea-parties, Occupy Rallies and Hopey McChanges are powerful and moving concepts at inception but they are controllable and corruptable so they peter out until the next promising wave. Twitters and youtubes are inordinately useful tools, but they can be purchased. Hell, courts, governments and armies can be purchased. But what cannot fail is a rogue network because it routes around outages. Look how Napster changed the music industry. Look how Anonymous made some bold strikes against the Man (and thereby exposed his mortal fallibility for all to see). Look how darknets and torrenting have become ubiquitous in the transfer of data.

They have an internet kill switch? Fuck 'em because we'll all switch on ad-hoc unlocked WIFI and share a DNS table for everything important to us.

They own the usurious, grabastic cell phone carriers? Fuck 'em because a layman with one single FreePBX .iso can duplicate everything Ma Bell did in a century and more.

They own the infrastructure? No they don't because we are the goddamn infrastructure.

And we're tired of being nickel-and-dimed, arrested, rationed and screwed every which way so that they can continue farting through silk (ref. Bageant).

It is no exaggeration to state that reality is what your senses and mind process in tandem, therefore an entire universe as you understand and accept it lives and dies with you. Is this not power? There is only one recourse by the weak who wish to control you (and what other reason is there for the need to control others than weakness?) and that is by convincing you that they are powerful and in charge. Bullshit. Whomever they are have long forfeited that right.

They will not decide our fate for us. All you need to do is find you resolve, because many of us already have. Share it like I have. Their illusion is fading and our reality is growing. The Day of the Triffids has ended. That's my interpretation of the great 2012 mystery.

When they implement a replacement for the Federal Reserve note in it's current horrid iteration, what are you going to tell them?

When they rubber stamp more unconstitutional freedom-stripping "bills", what are you going to tell them?

When they install another red/blue tie wearing globalist asshole at the podium, what are you going to tell them?

I know what I'll tell them.

This will begin a healing process just as the rain soothes the cracked dry land.

It begins with unequivocal and complete acceptance of oneself. Not conceptually, not in abstract principle, but love of every facet of one's being. Even what others criticize. This is a one hundred percent internal effort and the condition must be satisfied to continue. That is what we mean by "Love conquers all". But love for oneself does not ever preclude an asswhipping for others meaning harm. Bank it.

Again - No Copyright reserved. Do with it as you please.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 17:54 | 2008354 JR
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Yes, but it is our hopes against their plans.

“Remember, when stakes are high, and there are no higher stakes than in power politics, your enemy plays for keeps… He will give you no credit…he will twist everything that you say or do when it suits him, and use it to his own advantage. He intends to win…he intends you to lose…” –Helen MacInnes, The Snare of the Hunter

It is time it is our plans against their plans. It is time to elect Ron Paul as president!!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 19:50 | 2008531 johny2
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Thank you. 

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 19:58 | 2008540 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Yeah but why do Sunni's kill Shia's?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 22:50 | 2008713 Bringin It
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The pre-existing 1% wanted the reins back.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 04:32 | 2008954 jeff montanye
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much the same as this:'_War

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:29 | 2008565 Snake Plissken
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It's all there in the Protocols, which is why the dear old Tribe has made such efforts to get them banned. As Henry Ford said "they may or many not be genuine, but they certainly describe history as its happening".

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:43 | 2008577 Monedas
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What a bunch of jibberish with no content ! Rant long....rant wrong ! Distill your ramblings into 5 precise recommendations ! That requires thinking and opens you up to feed back ! Take my dare....If you can !    Monedas 2011  Comedy Jihad Jibberish Troll Buster !

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 01:42 | 2008767 NoVolumeMeltup
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For the edification of non-members who might not see it, you have 7 downvotes so far (and no upvotes) in your response to a post with 11 upvotes.

Apparently something thinks there is valid content there.


Merry Xmas, dude.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 04:35 | 2008956 jeff montanye
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ten and thirteen and continuing to diverge.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 05:46 | 2008970 luna_man
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Reads like wisdom!...Don't be shy...LET ME READ MORE!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 11:08 | 2009101 Blankman
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.  Problem is most of us have been trained to follow and not lead.  What you are asking people to do is lead with their hearts and minds instead of following with their hearts and minds.  In order to begin this process this involves one of the hardest things in these peoples lives - turning off the television/computer.  Most people and their children wake up to and fall asleep to the television.  TV gives some meaning to rather dull existences for most.  They do not see the shackles that bind - however I do hope some of the people who read your post truly understand what you are saying.  Explore the god within - the one you are fed at church is a much more watered down version than the one existing within.  

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:38 | 2007807 Stuck on Zero
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Aldous, you lie.  The best belly dancers are egyptian. 

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:29 | 2008146 Sokhmate
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Pfft pishtosh. the best are Ukrainian.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:15 | 2007215 Triggernometry
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A plausible concern, but I think it would be much too obvious at this moment. I think it more likely a US frigate would "hit" an Iranian mine while moving out of the area after hostilities have seemingly eased.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:34 | 2007271 economics1996
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Can't we just bomb the shit out of Iran?  Yes we can!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:50 | 2007326 MillionDollarBonus_
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Can you believe Ahmadinejad's arrogance!? Obama is showing maturity and courage despite these threats, but this is no indication of weakness. If Iran wants trouble, I say BRING IT ON - America is locked and loaded and ready for war. Iran is going to have to learn the hard way that you DO NOT MESS WITH ISRAEL.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:57 | 2007345 CharlieSDT
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Decent, but you can do better!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:03 | 2007380 AldousHuxley
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UK-US-Russia gave land to Israel......they can also take it away.


The thing with Iran is that, once Iran becomes US colony, US doesn't need Israel any more as a military post in middle east since they conquered all of it.


Iran is not asking for trouble. American jews asked for trouble when they devalued dollar by printing to cover up jewish bankster's gambling failures. Iran asked to move crude away from dollar exchanges.


Jeez....Jews are supposedly to be smart, but 3rd generation American Jews are just like WASP trust fund coke heads.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:36 | 2007580 john39
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Aldous- the first part of your post seems like a mistaken assumption regarding who is controlling whom.  AIPAC is only one arm of control...

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:47 | 2007633 dkny
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Love the broad stereotyping of people.

Are all muslims terrorists in your playbook?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:14 | 2007740 AldousHuxley
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muslim terrorists = American soldiers = North Korean soldiers = Bin laden's men = Russia KGB thugs.....


Have you ever head of a mob leader do the killings himself?


non-elites are pawns in the game of foreign policy.

"terrorist" = political talk

Many of muslim leaders have family business and members in US....


Obama, Bin Laden, Kim Jong il, Bush, Romney....when they talk about "them" they mean the public unwashed masses.



Fri, 12/23/2011 - 22:44 | 2008703 dkny
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For a moment I thought you were talking about american jews, but now you seem to be deviating from the target.

Still, you make it sound like each and evrey american "jew" is somehow connected to this vast conspiracy and benefitting from it. And the reason I use "jew" is because you really need to qualify who fits in, otherwise you we're back to the same broad categorization: muslims are terrorists, irish are drunk, blacks are porch monkeys, etc.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:00 | 2008543 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Why do Shia's kill Sunni's?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:47 | 2008583 Monedas
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Because they're xenophobic monkeys !

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 21:25 | 2008609 Tompooz
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It is rather the other way round in Iraq and Bahrein.  And the Sunni's doing the killing are some rather untypical Sunni's as well. 

Don't forget, if you go only 20  years back, and the more so if you go back before the Iranian revolution, Sunni's and Shi'a were living peacefully together. 

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:31 | 2007549 lincolnsteffens
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Is that you George W? I didn't know you could read and write or is that your sec.def. making jokes? I thought you were down on the ranch. It looks like you are knee deep in horse shit again!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:36 | 2008169 css1971
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LOL. Very un PC, but funny.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 18:55 | 2008450 mailll
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We would be proud if we bombed the hell out of Iran, just like we're proud we bombed the hell out of Iraq.  Our Iraq venture cost about a million lives on both sides, including babies, pregnant mothers, little girls and boys, people who liked Americans and our lifestyle, etc., because bombs don't discriminate. They will kill anyone.  Now, because of us, they are killing each other left and right.  So who died and who got rich from this Iraq venture?  It may be hard to swallow for some people, but Iraq was better off under Sadaam than they are now.  If you don't believe it, look at Iraq before Sadaam and look at Iraq after Sadaam. Now when we decide to bomb Iran, and we will, we would be proud of the fact that we have the power to start WW3.  Then it won't be millions who die, but perhaps billions. Because the nations of the world will then take sides.  Russia, China and the Middle East  on one side, the the rest of the world on the other.  You see, it isn't Ahmedinejad who is arrogant, it is us.  He isn't out bombing anyone he wants.  We are!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:57 | 2007675 taxpayer102
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The Federal Reserve, Congress and the war mongering Obama administration are bombing [economically] the shit out of the USA.  Those advocating U.S. military action against Iran - look at your country the USA after 10 years of the "war on terror" - millions unemployed and on food stamps, millions of foreclosed homes, millions of manufacturing jobs shipped offshore, national debt of $15.1 trillion, over 6,000 U.S. military dead and tens of thousands wounded, loss of your liberties and freedom...   The only winners after 10 years are the international bankers and in a war against Iran they will win again while the USA will continue losing its life, liberty and soul.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 17:51 | 2008350 ElvisDog
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The Iranian Navy??? Give me a break. The U.S. could sink the entire Iranian navy in about 5 minutes. What's next? The Sudanes Air Force?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 21:14 | 2008602 CompassionateFascist
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`The Iranian Navy and Air Force will survive long enough to close the Hormuz Straits and hammer the oil terminals. That'll do it for the dollar and the entire US PonziConomy. They know it, and so does our Z.O.G. But the Jews don't care, because there is no gold in Fort Knox. It's in Israel.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 23:34 | 2008761 mjk0259
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Iranian navy is aware of it's deficencies and plans to use bomb laden $2,000 speedboats in large quantities against $1 billiion dolllar USN ships. Maybe it will work, maybe not. US willl spend more money on petrol to avoid them then it costs Iran. Plus they have Chinese shore to ship missiles. Chinese pretty effective at getting US drone.


Sat, 12/24/2011 - 10:57 | 2009091 monoloco
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Perfect setup for a Gulf of Tonkin like scenario.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:18 | 2007226 YHC-FTSE
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+1 You forgot babies. And you said the J word. That's not allowed because it is anti-semetic if said by non-Js, apparently.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:15 | 2007459 AldousHuxley
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Jews just pissed off around this time of the year becuase some folks have moved on to new testament while they are still stuck in old times.


But in America, everyone is an equal consumer of made in china junk:

  • Hanukkah Tree
  • Hanukkah Tree Topper
  • Hanukkah Tree ornaments
  • Hanukkah gift wrap
  • Hanukkah Hallmark cards
  • Hanukkah Gingerbread house
  • Hanukkah Kosher ham
  • Hanukkah themed oven mittens


I haven't seen Hanukkah photo op with black Moses at the strip mall yet though.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:34 | 2007569 lincolnsteffens
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Some people are sooo ignorant. It is a Hanukka Bush! Sheesh!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:19 | 2007751 jumblies
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cue panto

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:03 | 2007384 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Iranian women are babes...we need to liberate them so us westerners get a proper fair crack at them

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:11 | 2007427 Montgomery Burns
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Long mustache wax.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:25 | 2007515 AldousHuxley
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you betcha Persian empire imported some quality europeans back in the days.



Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:10 | 2007729 RichardP
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Need to look at a different spot to see if she is bottle-blond or really blond.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 08:25 | 2009011 Pope Clement
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Becoming more likely that those blonds came from the same same environs as those Blond Aechean seafarers who settled in the Mediterranean in the second millenium BCE. The Indo-Eurpean diaspora was a North to South event related to the breakdown of the climatic optimum which allowed thriving communities to exist all the way up to arctic shores of Scandanavia. Rapid climate change forced the migrants to follow the great Eurasian rivers and Atlantic coast to more southerly latitudes ranging from India to western Europe. Our earliest written  epic is a distant memory of those cataclysmic times....

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 08:28 | 2009012 Pope Clement
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sorry double

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:57 | 2007162 Schmuck Raker
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Best time for a surprise attack ON Iran, while they're on maneuvers, and so far out?

[The paranoia around here's contagious]

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:29 | 2007537 Sabibaby
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...and don't forget, all the Iranian people will be enjoying Christmas and drunk on eggnog.... perfect timing all around...

We're coming to liberate you so you can by more stuff for your family next year, Happy Holidays!!!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:16 | 2007744 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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exactly, can't wait for this time next year and all those sexy Iranian babes in santa lingerie...

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:48 | 2007634 hunglow
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Where's the SSGN?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:34 | 2007092 Boilermaker
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The Stennis would beat the shit out of them single handed.  Seriously, give me a break.  Just the air power on the Stennis would cream them.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:37 | 2007102 fuu
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Unless they have laptops and wifi.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:42 | 2007110 Boilermaker
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Sure.  That'll stop a carrier battle group and a swarm of F-18 hornets loaded down with missles and cannon.

Let's see...

The CSG is comprised of USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), guided-missile cruiser USS Mobile Bay (CG 53) and Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 21, which includes guided-missile destroyers, USS Pinckney (DDG 91); USS Kidd (DDG 100); USS Dewey (DDG 105); and USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG 108).

The embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 9 on board John C. Stennis includes Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) 14, (VFA) 41, (VFA) 97, (VFA) 192; Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 112; Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 133; Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 8; Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron (HSM) 71; and Carrier Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 30.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:47 | 2007124 Gene Parmesan
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That's not the point though. The larger implications and resulting actions from Iran and its buddies following such a run-in are what would be important here.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:51 | 2007141 Boilermaker
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I agree with that.  But, the suggestion / implication that the Stennis strike group is at all under threat by a bunch of 1980's era garbage is and 'laptops' (yes, I get that it's not really a serious comment) is a laughable.

Whether anyone like it or not, we're still the BSD in terms of military a country mile.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:00 | 2007172 GeneMarchbanks
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'Whether anyone like it or not, we're still the BSD in terms of military a country mile.'

Correct. Sadly, their "1980's era garbage" is what you perceive to be incomparably their disadvantage. That, has no basis in reality. Actual combat is always an unknown unknown. Of course, these underlying assumptions are luckily not the way the US military go about their affairs.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:07 | 2007189 Boilermaker
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..."The F-15 in all air forces had a combined air-to-air combat record of 104 kills to 0 losses as of February 2008."

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:11 | 2007205 caconhma
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These data are totally bogus. Sorry, I totally forgot F-15 has wiped out Taliban airforce.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:36 | 2007283 john39
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and anti ship missiles are a real bitch...  when is the last time the U.S. Navy faced a large number of incoming anti ship missiles?  oh yeah, never.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:42 | 2008027 doggings
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sunburn missiles in fact, would make a hell of a fucking mess of those ships.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 23:13 | 2008741 Bringin It
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Hez lugged some anti-ship missle all the way to Lebanon.

"The missile is capable of a sea-skimming approach, and reportedly outfitted to engage in a high electronic counterm measrue (ECM) environment. On July 14th, it proved, to the advantage of Hezbollah, Iran, China, and N. Korea, that it was capable of doing so in certain engagement envelopes against some of the best western technology available."

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:16 | 2007218 thomcat00
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Nice to know. The Eagle, however, is not a carrier based aircraft, and certainly not on the Stennis, so the note is not directly relevant. TYhe US Navy's F-18 Hornets are pretty good too.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:26 | 2007248 Boilermaker
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No shit.  The point was modern aircraft versus the flying shit boxes that Iran has.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:22 | 2007500 HungrySeagull
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The F14 is retired, the F15 once dominant is itself dominated by the F22 and so on.


Back in the hood, we used to say the biggest baddest son of a bitch will go down if enough preteens swarm like a honey bee.


If we lose a Carrier, god forbid... there will be war by the time the bodies are cold. One so total to make all the previous wars look like a Militia Drill.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:38 | 2007589 AldousHuxley
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Back in the hood, we used to say mess with the whore, you gonna hear about it from the pimp.


Mess with Iran, you are going to hear about it from Russia China who are pissed about US banksters inducing dollar devaluation.


US gave Iran F14s.

Now Iran makes their own fighter jets becuase they've got oil money. ...matter of time before they catch up while America lays off her engineers

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:02 | 2007892 JoBob
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Devaluation?  Imagine how the Chinese will feel when we cancel our bill?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:14 | 2008108 11b40
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Let's take a little look at superior firepower and ultimate victory.

In Viet Nam, we had extreme superioity in virtually every imaginable metric.  Charlie really cared.  The ancient and virtually free Pungi Stakes, inexpensive mines hooked to virtually invisible trip wires, and rapidly fired mortar rounds and RPG's made American forces tuck tail and leave.

Fast forward to Iraq and now Afghanistan, and the IED & Car Bomb has proven to have the kind of effectiveness as the low-tech weaponry we could not defeat 40 years before.  Now, think about what happens to the Straits of Hormuz when 50,000 silent, deadly, free-floating mines are released in the shipping lanes some dark night.'s a very dangerous thing.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:40 | 2008178 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Jingoists like Boilermaker won't understand that even when the Stennis is resting on the sea bottom.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:02 | 2007355 JOYFUL
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Here is the latest from the guberment-paid trollsters:

Whether anyone like it or not, we're still the BSD in terms of military a country mile.

followed by,

No shit.  The point was modern aircraft versus the flying shit boxes that Iran has.

Boilermaker, your series of conjectures  as quoted here are important.

We have recently seen a progression of cracker boys come out into the open here, with their insanely myopic view of the world outside of their tvscreen\gubernment-bred\general educmiscation\total bias against a general common folk world wide collective solidarity for life against your puppetmasters MEGADEATH meme a word, the BULLSHIT that passes for "patriotic" hookum here; you are the icing on the cake.

Not only did you miss the simple premise of the article as written:  that the ZOG occupied government of Amerika will sink it's own ships, if necessary, to secure an opening for another 'liberation of other peoples stuff' moment, you have added to your brain-addled Obama-Cheney TEAMUSA prattle a serious hope for another USS LIBERTY type event. 

Enough with all you witless provocateurs-the gloves are off. You all are TRAITORS to the citizens of the country you were born in - Israel demands more dead American dupes are their willing will roast in HELL*, along with your sionist paymasters.

*THAT'S A PROMISE, not a threat.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:26 | 2007524 weyes1
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Joyful, Joyful, we adore thee...

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:17 | 2007705 youLilQuantFuker
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What you think that I'm not going to run this show? (use your keen observation skills here)

Although there was no expectation that the mercenary troops would be used for a stealth attack on Iran, Emirati officials talked of using them for a possible maritime and air assault to reclaim a chain of islands, mostly uninhabited, in the Persian Gulf that are the subject of a dispute between Iran and the U.A.E., the former employees said. Iran has sent military forces to at least one of the islands, Abu Musa, and Emirati officials have long been eager to retake the islands and tap their potential oil reserves. The Emirates have a small military that includes army, air force and naval units as well as a small special operations contingent, which served in Afghanistan, but over all, their forces are considered inexperienced.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:27 | 2007978 Cathartes Aura
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JOYFUL-ly poetic, particularly this verse:

Not only did you miss the simple premise of the article as written:  that the ZOG occupied government of Amerika will sink it's own ships, if necessary, to secure an opening for another 'liberation of other peoples stuff' moment, you have added to your brain-addled Obama-Cheney TEAMUSA prattle a serious hope for another USS LIBERTY type event.

reverse the rhetoric! it's long past time to stop saluting those who serve the corporate MIC, who kill and terrorise other humans, poison their lands, and steal their resources - learn the truths about who writes "history" and who benefits, who is lost. . .

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:51 | 2008056 Boilermaker
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I'm a government paid poster?  LOL, that's great.  I guess that explains all of my anti-government posts.

The point was the military is dominant.  I don't give a shit if you don't like it.  It's a fact.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 17:53 | 2008352 americanspirit
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Really? Black Hawk down. Etc


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 18:31 | 2008416 Boilermaker
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Yea, that was just like a carrier strike group vs. the Iranian navy....just like it.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 00:00 | 2008791 FrankDrakman
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Have a couple more of those boilermakers, will ya?

The US military can crush any offensive force stupid enough to show up in uniform on a field of battle. No doubt about that.

But as we've seen in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghaniland, against an enemy who blends in with the civilian population, and who is willing to wage a war of attrition, the US can only indiscriminately kill innocents and combatants alike, enrage the local population and much of the R.O.W., and ultimately be defeated on the home front, as people on the right and left alike wonder why their sons and daughters are dying thousands of miles from home for the benefit of some third world dirtbags who hate them regardless.

A war against Iran will be the end of the American empire. You can't afford it.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:08 | 2008100 Xploregon
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Geez...tell us what you really think.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:06 | 2008548 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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What about muslim on muslim violence? Why do Shia's kill Sunni's and vice a versa? Where in the Koran does it say killing a muslim by a muslim is o.k. but a non-muslim killing a muslim is bad? We are talking about killing people right? And how killing people for no reason is a bad thing. Why does iran send young men into Iraq to kill other muslims? Why does hamas kill more muslims than non-muslims?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 21:47 | 2008632 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What about Christian on Christian violence? Why do Protestants kill Catholics and vice versa? Where in the Gospel does Jesus, the Prince of Peace, say killing other people is OK?

We are talking about killing people, right? And how killing people for no reason is a bad thing.

Why does the United States send young men (and remote controlled killing machines) into every corner of the planet to kill other Christians, Moslems, Jews, Buddhists, atheists, etc.? Why does the United States exterminate more innocent people than "terrorists"?


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 21:20 | 2008603 CompassionateFascist
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Wrong, boilerplate. Asymetric warfare:  50 fast suicide boats converge on one of our carriers. USN will get most, but not all. Just one hit, and that carrier heads for drydock. That's all they need. Just one.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 23:23 | 2008750 Bringin It
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"On July 14th the IDF's best anti-air defense vessel was mission killed by a strike from shore off the Beruit, Lebannon coast. It appears that the vessel was hit by a guided missile"

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 03:09 | 2008924 I got the Bull ...
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I agree. These Terrorists are using their IQ, wheras we are using the Millitary Industrial complex to produce fancy weapons that impress Gubbermint buyers.


For example they would use tactics like steel nets to entwine the propellers and just bomb the ships with heavy artillery from the mountains.

And because they learn English, and no one in the west learns Farsi, we are showing them how weak we are.

Wed, 12/28/2011 - 07:24 | 2015157 Element
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Whether anyone like it or not, we're still the BSD in terms of military a country mile.


You are a rank dimwit.

Do you seriously think the Iranians don't know how to build tactical decoys and use electronic means to make them appear like real anti-ship missiles?

The DDG's waste their SM2 and ESSM and Phalanx rounds shooting those down and addressing unmanned boat swarms, before the Iranians let lose with wave-upon-wave of scores of real ASWs as well as anti-ship ballistic missiles and manned missile launching and mine laying boats.

What then?

The Iranians may not succeed in taking down any DDGs (though they probably would nail one of two in the initial battle) or the CNV, but they can WILL force the USN to rapidly withdraw out of range.

When the VLS are empty a DDG is a sitting duck.

Do you seriously think the Iranians don't know this and plannned accordingly to defeat them?

Get a grip!

Iran has been planning for such a battle with the USN DDGs and Fleet Air for the past 30 years!

At which point the Iranians control the straight and may lay as many mines as they wish.

Do you remember when the USAF sent F-15E to locate and destroy the Iraqi scuds, and TOTALLY FAILED to do so?

What makes you think you can stop the Iranians firing thousands of anti-ship missiles?

Did Israel stop Hezbollah's primitive unguided rockets or Iranian guided ASMs in 2006, with its F-15i's, and F-16s, plus heavy artillery and tanks, within a geographically TINY area?

They couldn't even suppress and control the very small area of southern Lebanon with the best IDF/US air power on tap, and you imagine the US will control Iran and the straight?!

The IDF response was a complete FAIL. At no point did Hezbollah even look like running out of firing opportunities or rockets. So in complete failure and frustration, the IDF resorted to using the F-15i's to drop 2000lb iron bombs indiscriminately on civilian apartment blocks in South Beirut.

Just fucking shameless war criminals.

And did US military supremacy and firepower help it prevent defeat in Vietnam?

You're a complete dimwit and fool to believe or suggest the USN has any hope of controlling the Straight, if Iran decides to take full control of it.

You might eventually take it back, but it will be full of sea mines and it will still be getting peppered with thousands of remaining ASMs and ballistic anti-ship missiles.

And if they must, all they need to do is demonstrate a functional HEU nuke.

And I'm fairly certain they could manage to detonate a low yield nuke at this stage.

I suggest you do some reading on how long it took the US to enrich uranium to weapon-grade HEU. From go to woe, it was surprisingly rapid, and that's with the knowledge and crude techniques and materials available 70 years ago. 

And read about the British weapon-grade HEU production rates in the 1950s as they were churning the stuff out pretty damn fast.


The Iranians have been enriching uranium for a long time. Most of what they have created is a massive feed-stock that's necessary for a rapid increase to weapon-grades. It's the initial enrichment phase that takes the longest. 

They don't even need a reactor to detonate a HEU bomb tommorow.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:51 | 2007145 Village Smithy
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Agreed. This is worrisome. It's hard to believe that something Iranian won't end up encroaching on the Stennis group and triggering some kind of protective (deadly) action.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:27 | 2007769 dumpster
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iran massive war games lol

whats massive is the spending by america war games . more than the entire planet combined the  amount of brain dead and totally pavlovian bell ringers is beyound belief.

big news story for these brain dead .. America and the same folks who voted to deny your freedoms also are the same who give you reports that resemble the movie .. made popular that led to shoes being thrown over the wires of mans stupidity ...wag the friken  dog

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:51 | 2007148 Oh regional Indian
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Which, given the general war drum beating going on anyways, is a moot question.

A shoot question. A boot question.

So what is it going to be, a 7th Jan incident?



Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:57 | 2007163 denny69
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Sounds like you better run down to the recruiter and sign up! You get to play with all that cool stuff and - KILL PEOPLE! YAY!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:03 | 2007182 Boilermaker
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I can't.  I don't have the time.  I'm booked up with floating candles down rivers and flying kites for peace.

Get real.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:01 | 2007176 tim73
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Iran got mountains and artillery and tons of missiles facing that lake and those do not sink. Aircraft the bathtub. Next.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:05 | 2007184 Boilermaker
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Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:16 | 2007219 tim73
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You idiots even managed to lose a top secret drone to Iran recently. In war on that lake Iranians would most likely kick your ass very very badly. They have war gamed this one endlessly for decades now while your powerpoint useless generals admire like 10 year old kids those latest gizmos in weapons technology.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:34 | 2007277 gmrpeabody
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Speaking of idiots...

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:55 | 2007341 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Lets knock Israel and its allies off the map!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:11 | 2008551 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Hopefully the mullahs took that drone to one of their highly secure and secret places. So our idiots now have live video and audio from that super secret place. There are many reasons to lose something and sometimes it is not lost at all.

Wanna bet that drone has the ability to send and revieve commands by systems that the mullahs lack the technology to jam?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 21:59 | 2008651 TheFourthStooge-ing
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fxrxexexdxoxmx demonstrated his cartoonish view of the world when stating:

Wanna bet that drone has the ability to send and revieve commands by systems that the mullahs lack the technology to jam?

Oh, you just know that drone is secretly sending commands to their cable TV box and ordering massive amounts of pay-per-view. Those mullahs are going to freak when they see their cable bill. And what about that time the drone ordered pizza from every pizza shop in Tehran, and it was all delivered at the same time? That was almost as good as the time that the drone put all the mullahs' hands in bowls of warm water while they were sleeping, and they all pissed themselves. Stealth technology is so amazing.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:13 | 2007931 MeBizarro
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You don't know much about naval tactics I would guess.  There is a good reason that US carrier groups stick to the Arabian Sea typically and rarely go into ther Persian Gulf.  

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:58 | 2008075 Boilermaker
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Why in the hell would a carrier go into the Persian Gulf?  They have FIGHTER JETS.  It isn't like they are shooting off their 16" guns and need to get close.  Shit, lob some tomahawks into them.  Whatever.

Tue, 12/27/2011 - 23:23 | 2015193 Element
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Firing them at what exactly, you tactical moron?

Civilian apartment blocks, perhaps?

You think hitting a few hardened aircraft shelters, warfs and warehouses will stop them? Do you think the whole world didn't notice that you couldn't effectively prevent ballistic attacks from occurring or succeeding to hit, in the 1990s?

You think they haven't been actively working on guidance, and decoys, and ECM, to make sure you never can effectively stop them striking their target?

Your own fucking 'ally', and best all around buddy, Israel, has been caught selling advanced Patriot missiles to China, just days ago!

Listen up idiot, in the US land-force mix the Patriot PAC3 is THE missile system that's tasked with the primary roles of defeating ballistic missiles in terminal flight in a tertiary-layered missile defence system ... and against cruise missiles ... and against drones

i.e. the very core of the whole US land-based air-defence system just got gutted because THAAD is only a specialist long range air defence missile, that can only engage high altitude ballistic missile RVs still in space.  It can't address other target types in other environments.

In other words, 1/3 of the US three-tiered missile defence system just got compromised. So if SM3 firing DDGs are not able to position themselves properly, then 2/3 of US missile defences are defunct, and if THAAD is not deployed 3/3 of US regional missile defence is kaput.

Didn't even need EMP to defeat it!

Just a trusted 'ally' to betray you.

If you aren't Johny-on-the-spot in the straights, you don't have control of it, or what the Iranians do to make sure you don't get to dominate it again.

As we've seen, US drones over the straights, to observe and remotely develop targeting cues, is not going to cut it.

The Iranians know how to spoof the best systems you have.

And using the info they have now come into possession of in a few months they'll have a new low-observable cruise missile capable of packing a HEU tactical nuke.

You've already lost, you just haven't had your arse handed to you yet.

And how can Israel possibly cope with such an Iranian capability?

They can't.

All they can do is lead the US by the nose into another great strategic blunder, and loss of global standing and power.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 21:32 | 2008616 Tompooz
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"The embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 9 on board John C. Stennis includes Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) 14, (VFA) 41, (VFA) 97, (VFA) 192; Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 112; Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 133; Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 8; Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron (HSM) 71; and Carrier Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 30."


Yea, yeah, mine is bigger than yours.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:08 | 2007715 moonstears
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fuu, RQ170 drones, AV8B Harriers(see USS Bataan close by) and FA18 Hornets(USS Stennis), are NOT all remote controlled, if I'm catching your point.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:07 | 2007188 msamour
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You obviously know nothing of asymmetrical naval warfare.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:09 | 2007197 Boilermaker
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You're right.  The Stennis carrier strike force and all of it's hands are doomed.  They should just surrender now and hand over the ships and planes, and a nuclear submarine, now....

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:41 | 2007294 john39
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the U.S. has no right to bomb yet another country.  These endless wars are insane, immoral, evil and have bankrupted the U.S.   I as a taxpayer find it reprehensible that the U.S. government is the single most abhorent bad actor that the world has ever seen.   This time, justice will be delivered (to the U.S.) and it will be ugly.  

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:23 | 2007502 viahj
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the U.S. government is the single most abhorent bad actor that the world has ever seen.

in the last 15 years, yeah i grant you that point but in the entire history of mankind? hardly.  i agree with you about these banker wars but let's keep some historical perspective, otherwise the over the top vitriol obscures your message.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 13:39 | 2007593 john39
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ok, in sheer numbers, maybe zionist controlled communist russia...  but in geographic terms, the U.S. empire is the beast.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:25 | 2007766 youLilQuantFuker
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Listen. All Iran has to do is peacefully surrender. Tomorrow.

Then allow us in to re-write their contractual obligations for the natties.

Why die for it?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 13:33 | 2007770 Randall Cabot
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The US has been a bad actor for a lot longer than 15 years.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:27 | 2007979 MeBizarro
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US has done a lot of awful things but so does any leading military power of its age.  Not to say I support endless wars/foreign entanglements but people have no historical context for what invading powers have done in previous ages & through civilization.   

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:22 | 2007965 MeBizarro
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If they entered the Persian Gulf especially near the Straight of Hormuz, the Stennis and her screening escort would face a high degree of danger from Iranian tactical threats given the enclosed space.  U.S. aircraft carriers are floating boxes with a giant 'hit me' target on them even with the relatively impressive speed.  

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:02 | 2008085 Boilermaker
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That's why they lob tomahawk missles and use their FIGHTER JETS rather than go into the Persian Gulf.

What's wrong with you people?  Jesus if it, WHERE IT TO HAPPEN, would even be close to a fair match-up.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:42 | 2008184 MeBizarro
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If the US did engage in military action, the 5th fleet would immediately enter the Persian Gulf to keep open the Straight of Hormuz to keep the oil from the Saudis flowing just as they did in '88.  Pick up a book and put down the remote & you might actually contribute something useful. 

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 17:59 | 2008360 americanspirit
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I'm afraid that an awful lot of good, decent Americans in uniform are going to have to die to make you eat your drum-beating words. Have another boilermaker and rant on. Oh, and as for all your "anti-government' posts proving that you aren't a troll - what else would one expect of a paid government troll trying to establish his creds?

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 18:33 | 2008420 Boilermaker
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LOL....Seriously?  Wow, you're bat shit crazy.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 21:30 | 2008614 CompassionateFascist
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In general, Boilerplate makes good points. But they won't matter. All Iran has to do is close the straits and pound the oil terminals. Assuming they too read Stratfor (etc.) they'll know when an unusual # of US carrier battle groups are heading for the ME. Then they'll strike first.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 23:17 | 2008745 americanspirit
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Your LOL rings hollow. You bet I'm crazy. And you're a troll. Gotcha.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:28 | 2007255 navy62802
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If Iran is attacked, there's a chance that China and Russia would become involved militarily.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 20:27 | 2008561 Rakshas
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There is a chance of that of course, but more likely it would be war by proxy and include a lot of back room negotiations, China needs the resources but not the bullshit that goes with them; I'm sure Mao has less of a stomach for all this zealot crap than even the western baw bags.  To be sure everyone is getting sick and tired of Yankee Doodle shitting in everyones corn flakes then telling them it's a count chockula special blend but not many are truly prepared to throw down at 3 million degrees even if they have 28 MM horny chunder bags to throw into the fray - one day, perhaps, but not, I think this day.  

And for those who see the future in the past:


Blood and destruction shall be so in use 
And dreadful objects so familiar 
That mothers shall but smile when they behold 
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war; 
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds: 
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge, 
With Ate by his side come hot from hell, 
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice 
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war; 
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth 
With carrion men, groaning for burial.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:34 | 2007094 Martial
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Gulf of Tonkin 2.0

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:58 | 2007164 Desert Irish
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Unfortunatly we sold USS Maddox to China...we might have to refloat the Maine

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:28 | 2007253 Elwood P Suggins
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Bring on the Monitor and Merrimac!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:43 | 2007299 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Paging Ol' Ironsides

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:17 | 2007222 fuu
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Except the Fins impounded the target vehicle.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:34 | 2007095 CORNGUY
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Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:11 | 2007204 Buckaroo Banzai
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Nothing like a little girl-on-girl action to raise our readiness posture. After all, if we've learned anything about young men aged 18-25, is that they are never distracted by lesbian activity.

Thanks you fucknut Obama

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:42 | 2007262 Manthong
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The real hazard is if Marissa is sitting at the EW console while Citalic is under the console doing what Obama shipmates like to do, she might miss one of those incoming French Exocets.

The same goes for Steve and Bruce, or whoever.

There's a reason buggery on the bounty has not fit well with naval tradition.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:47 | 2007316 Bolweevil
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Cue Sparta.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:53 | 2007335 Cash_is_Trash
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Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:02 | 2007893 ebworthen
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PMS Legions ahoy!

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:06 | 2007912 Montgomery Burns
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Buggery on the Bounty is a cherished / established navy tradition since forever. Get real.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:40 | 2007112 Tsar Pointless
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"War games".

I bow to both the ease with which this phrase is readily accepted, as well as rarely dissected in our society.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:57 | 2007161 Oh regional Indian
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Good point, Tsar.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:43 | 2007118 prains
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Did the Chinese help Iran build their navy? HMS YuNoFroat

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 17:44 | 2008328 The Heart
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No, but they helped build OUR navy. The chinese are just sitting back and laughing now waiting with back-door chips in the hardened command and control systems. You thought the hacking of the drone was something, wait till they hack the ships and planes. When it comes time to go and throw down for more profit based war, the chinese will flick a switch and the navy machine will just shut down like an EMP hit them:

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:44 | 2007119 San Diego Gold Bug
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Just in time for the holidays!  I think I will add a little more gold to my stack today.  Found this great gold comparisson website on Turd's site this week,  It is a great resource for checking dealer prices.  Just fyi.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:47 | 2007120 Azannoth
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Israel-US Largest-ever Missile Defence War Games

Touch-e - it's gonna get hot'n'ugly soon

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:44 | 2007125 Payne
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just gives us a great view of what to destroy !

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:51 | 2007144 Gazooks
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gotta know vel-ay-at fo-ukin destroy'em, jesayin'...

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:49 | 2007135 vipmoneymachine
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why is US navy in Persian gulf ? why we can't mind our own business ? Go Iran, Go.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:57 | 2007160 DogSlime
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why is US navy in Persian gulf ? why we can't mind our own business ?

Oil, surely?


Go Iran, Go.

Be careful with such talk - I hear there's a new law being passed that could see you detained indefinitely or assassinated for statements like that (if you're in the US, probably if you're in the UK, too).


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:34 | 2007273 Long-John-Silver
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Obama has been given a license by congress to order the killing of anyone, anywhere, at any time he chooses.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 16:03 | 2008086 Cathartes Aura
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overwhelmingly supported by the Rethugs team, a holiday "gift" to their leader, eh.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 09:19 | 2009038 lakecity55
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Whoops! There goes talk radio and Dr. Paul.


"Rush Killed in Carbomb Explosion Near Golf Course"


"Ron Paul Vanishes W/O Trace"

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:12 | 2007153 Dr. Engali
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I hope WWIII doesn't get in the way of the holiday shopping. Maybe it will be televised and we can seen some great big explosions on Christmas morning.


That's sarc by the way.

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