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Iran Launching "Massive" Ten Day War Game Tomorrow In Close Proximity To CVN-74 John Stennis
As the rest of the world enjoys Festivus or whatever celebration one indulges in, Iran is launching a "massive" 10 day war games naval exercise right in the belly of the beast. From Xinhua: "Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari on Thursday announced the upcoming launch of ten-day massive naval exercises in the international waters, the local satellite Press TV reported. Sayyari said at a press conference on Thursday that the naval maneuvers dubbed Velayat 90 will start on Saturday and will cover an area of 2,000 (1,250-mile) km stretching from the east of the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Aden, the report said. This is the first time that Iran's Navy carries out naval drills in such a vast area, he was quoted as saying. He said that the exercises will manifest Iran's military prowess and defense capabilities in the international waters, convey a message of peace and friendship to regional countries and test the newest military equipment among other objectives, said the report. He added that the newest missile systems and torpedoes will be employed in the maneuvers, adding that the most recent tactics used in subsurface battles will also be demonstrated. Iranian destroyers, missile-launching vessels, logistic vessels, drones and coastal missiles will also be tested, said the Iranian commander, according to the report." And while conventional wisdom is that the market is focused on what the upcoming closure of the Straits of Hormuz means for tanker routs and oil prices, there is another more disturbing possibility: with all those Iranian canoes, and soapboxes floating around, one wonders if one is bound to have a close encounter with USS CVN-74 John Stennis, which as the updated naval map below from Stratfor shows, will be smack in the middle of the action.
More on this potential powder keg:
Closing Strait of Hurmoz is under full control of Iran, he said but did not mention about the exercise to close it, according to the state IRIB TV website.
Earlier this month, Parviz Sorouri, a member of the Iranian Majlis (parliament) National Security and Foreign Policy Commission, said that Iran plans to practice its ability to close the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most important passages for exports of crude and oil products from littoral states of Persian Gulf.
Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said later that closing the Strait of Hormuz is not on Iran's agenda.
As Iran has announced it several times, the issue of closing the Strait of Hormuz is not on Iran's agenda since Iran believes in upholding the stability and peace of the region," said Mehmanparast.
Alas, that's not the question: the question is what does everyone else believe is the best optics of representing Iran as believing in. Because if a US support vessel has to sink to make popular support for this and that a little more palatable, then sink it will. On its own if it has to.
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Shop and Awe, bitchez!! It's brilliant.
+1000 Shop and Awe
I must say yes that was enjoyable.
This time next year we'll be busy with scrap metal drives and anyone with any extra money will be required to buy war bonds to give as Christmas gifts.
This will be a field day for U.S. Military Surveillance - Major Blunder by Iran - Pride - one of the deadly sins
Pride? I guess that the hubris the United states shows is virtuous? I can tell you that there is no pride in what we are doing meddling in there affairs.
Good Dr. While you fill up at $3.25 and enjoy your holiday travel, think of the folks in European empires filling up at $6.00 (equiv) and say a prayer for US troops
over there minding that the oil still flows and minding "there" affairs. Just one of many reasons to thank the world's finest nuclear Navy, IMHO.
I include the U.S service people in my daily prayers. As I do my children. But I do not support our meddling in "their" affairs. We should not be propping up dictators so that we can have cheap oil. Then when they don't act in a manner that we don't like we invade "their country. Well we sure as hell wouldn't be invading them if "their" major export was carrots. As far as cheap gas... well I would gladly pay $6.00 a gallon if it brought a little peace in the world. Small price to pay if you ask me. Better than the life of a soldier for $3.00 gas.
So stick that up your arrogant ass.
I wasn't trying to hit on you, there are other sites for that, so leave ass lusting outta this. I simply want you to understand it's not so simple as you assume, and military, IMO, is one of the valuable govt services which pays back tax dollars, this is but one example, oh, and fuck you.
"I wasn't trying to hit on you, there are other sites for that....oh, and fuck you"
You contradict yourself dipshit. How about trying a thought experiment. Assuming you have that capability. Pretend you are a young arab and you grow up in an environment where a tyrant is propped up by an outside power. In exchange the outside power gets all the countries resources, while all the wealth goes to a select few in your country. It takes 80% of you income to feed your family. Then that ouside power starts exporting it's inflation to you because your currency is tied to their dollar. Suddenly it takes 80% of you income for just one meal Don't you suppose that young Arab is gonna be a little pissed off? Or maybe your solution is better. Just bomb the shit out of them and take it.
Even though you are a war mongering dickweed I will say a prayer for you too.
Merry Christmas, good Dr.(lol...the f/u was intentionally contradictory, liked that, huh?). All aside, there's more to it than that, indeed. I'm no war mongerer, but am familliar with war. The world economic system indeed sucks the life outta J6P, but the question though thoughtful, I understand, is like asking..."Doc, why not go to the shit side of town and pass out your credit cards, I mean, those guys have it hard, and they need more money". YOU AND I HIT GOD'S GOOD LOTTERY BEING BORN, WHERE WE WERE! Look up the projected future (say 2050) religious demographics of the globe and you'll see why I'm ok with Ahkmad being too poor to leave the desert, and see tht we've not gotten the ass end of that deal. Unfair to him, yes. For us, not so much. Assuming you're a Christian, you'll see why our grandkids may not like the world they're born into. No Sharia law for me, bitchez. JMHOs
and as a PS...Aramco built the whole f'ing oil industry, for those cats, some say using Ft Knox gold, go read up on that(no sarc, good Dr).
Yes I am a proud Christian,and it chaps my ass that I allow myself to get in any discussion that leads to the degradation of the character I'm on topic with. So I offer to you my apologies. But I disagree with your analogy. I am not taking resources from the shit side of town and I am certainly not using my military might to prop up the corrupt politicians that make up the body politict there either. As far as religious demographics go.. I believe there is another way. But if we believe that suppression is the answer then we are short sighted and wrong.
Wake up, the main reason they want to pick a fight with Iran is to establish a Central Bank, for the benefit of the Iranian people of course. Say what you want about Imanutjob, but Iran has yet to cave to the banks.
there are many "gods" and your "good lottery" is but a temporary blip in the timeline - while I don't follow the reincarnation story, I do believe in balance, what goes around, comes around, and no thing lasts forever. . .
Instant karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Everyone you meet
Why in the world are we here?
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why in earth are you there
When you're everywhere?
Come and get your share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olgQnSSXwlc
That seems pretty simple. I guess that makes you a simpleton.
Rex, assuming you're in the USA, figure your weekly gas gallon consumption, multiply that by $3.00. Now multiply that by 51(weeks of 52 in a year, counting a week off, say). The $ figure is what the Military saved you this year, in fuel cost. We simpletons state it simply. Oh, and fuck you!
When did lower gas prices justify murder? As others have already stated, I'll gladly pay more to avoid the immoral killing of people all around the world.
Derp.
bumper sticker spotted:
so fucking true....
moonstears thought himself clever when stating:
Riiiiight, because the military works for free, and all of their equipment is free, and all the fuel they use is free. No doubt about it, that's the simple kind of thinking that has led to America's budget surplus and trade surplus, and paid off the national debt as well.
Have you installed solar panels yet?
The show may be just another distraction and disinformation program. The Iranian admiral knows who is watching -- the Iranian taxpayer, the US and other country's militaries, the energy investors of the world and then there's the US MSM with its own version of what's going on.
Put on a show and see how it plays.
Yeah we can send some drones up to watch......................
Pride? What else can they do? They have to train their personnel on the new stuff. They can hardly do that in the Caspian.
Target practice time.
This is awesome news! Most of Iran's Navy in one area. This gives the US Navy an opportunity to put the whole fucking lot of them at the bottom of the sea at once, in about 12. 5 minutes. Go for it you Iranian fuckers!
Yeah, that will work. Can't imagine any backlash from that. How much does it cost you to fill your gas tank?
At least about $150+/barrel and if you look at other shocks including Yom Kipper War and the Iran oil embargo of '79 possibly higher initially until global demand collasped and the relative price of oil to a degree but not before it KOs global growth. There wouldn't be any debate about a global recovery/recession/depression though.
Quote "This gives the US Navy an opportunity to put the whole fucking lot of them at the bottom of the sea at once, in about 12. 5 minutes. Go for it you Iranian fuckers!"
Did the guy with the John Lennon avatar just say that? Really?
Beware of wolves in sheep clothing.
I did say that. The gloves are off. I hate the Iranians as much as they hate us. Period. Game on!
Hey Lennonstein, you're not fooling anyone.
The Iranians don't hate us.
You're welcome to go. The rest of us who have carried or now carry arms for our country don't like it when it goes hot. We lose guys. Good guys.
I'd say this plus this.....http://rt.com/usa/news/us-nato-syria-edmonds-709/
means WAR bitchezzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a Free world.........
Isn't it...?
Nothing says holiday season like war games.
"how about a nice game of chess?"
"how about a nice game of chess?"
Without Bobby Fisher playing for the US, the Iranians would probably win. They have strong players.
It takes only one little "accident" and it all blows up!
Define Massive.
Deduct Iraqi war void addiction for replacement culprit.
Comprehend fear mongering and timing of it.
Be curious of necessity to create friction in world oil market to offset deflationary usage causing uptick in supply.
Merry Christmas!
tell robo twit to go long on oil futures.............
I'm sure the CIA has already co-opted some Iranian patsy to fire off a missile at the Stennis; the elites need some sort of war as a distraction. If not in the straits, then another false flag somewhere.
F it. I volunteer. Lets get this party started. I need the distraction.
Well if that is possible then the Iranians have thought about that too, which means they have a chance to reconsider their maneuvers. Or perhaps they want something like that to happen?
Pointless mental mind games.
Cheney might experience the memory of a heart beat.
The location of CVN-74's red dot on that map doesn't exactly put it "in the middle of the action."
Blano, don't go spoiling all the fun for the snarky commenters here
Spoilsport
Sure it does.
So the Iranians are going to launch all their latest stuff so we can get all the data we need to defeat their weaponry later. How dumb can these camel jockeys get?
Hunt For Red December
"Your government should consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity is inherently dangerous."
Release the Kraken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syGCpLxVENk
Peace, brother.
I'm pretty sure there is something in Christmas that refers to "good will towards men" I don't think it included..."unless we want to take your oil"
Golf of Tonkin Redux Bitchez...
I pray not, Odin.
It will take more than prayers, teary one.
so many boats and ships in a small area - one can only imagine the possible outcomes in the dark of night or bad weather..I hope the US Navy pulls far back with our big ships and just watches from a very safe distance..any other action and it could lead to war. (by design?)
too bad the military has not awakened to the fact the real enemy is in DC.
Having some knowledge in military Naval procedure, I'm willing to bet all of our "boats" are not visible.
I think that should say Gulf of Oman, not Aden.
2,000 km2 is a grid less than 50 miles square.
They will be showcasing all their targets, ships there because there is not enough room in the Persian Gulf for more naval activity.
Between the tanker traffic, militaries, platforms and islands amid the shallow Gulf, its like having a demolition derby in a full parking lot.
Ships and mines are not important in the Straits.
The question is how many SS-N-22 and other subsonic AS missiles the Iranians have and how well defended/mobile are the launchers.
This is the trigger for $250-300 oil.
Bullish for oil.
<blockquote>The CSG is comprised of USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), guided-missile cruiser USS Mobile Bay (CG 53) and Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 21, which includes guided-missile destroyers, USS Pinckney (DDG 91); USS Kidd (DDG 100); USS Dewey (DDG 105); and USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG 108). The embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 9 on board John C. Stennis includes Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) 14, (VFA) 41, (VFA) 97, (VFA) 192; Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 112; Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 133; Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 8; Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron (HSM) 71; and Carrier Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 30.</blockquote>I wonder how much oil does that little lot use, in millions of barrels per day? Kind of ironic that the oil probably came from Iran. (And yeah I know John Stennis is nuclear, but the planes and helicopters on board aren't, and those other ships...)
If you had any intelligence whatsoever not only would your nick not have 'gold' in it but you would know that the US imports exactly 0.0 barrels of oil from Iran.
because they wont take your funnymoney for it, hence the need to kill them all
we might not import oil, but pay a higher price from other suppliers, so we pay for it in the end.
BTW, The best system in naval warfare is submarines. Lots of them. Hitler built the Bismark and failed when the rudder was bombed.
If he had more submarines, instead of a big floating ego, he would have inflicted more damage.
Sames as the Russians. Lots of crappy tanks.
After the experience in Afghanistan and Iraq, the key to winning war is armed men, with mobile weapons, and lots of them!!!
And no rules. i.e. kill or be killed. Survival of the most brutal.
We have a system of refueling at sea that works well. JIT by ship if you will.
Mostly nuclear and free from oil. However if I recall my Cold War days, one Carrier can keep a Air Wing going in fuel up to 2 weeks depending on fuel and weapons inventory.
Carriers and thier groups have a very special engineering section related to gearing. They need to travel at top speed and displace across almost a thousand miles of ocean in the global theater on thier side of the world. When you consider the battlespace from space on down to the seabed in three dimensions along with the 4th of time and 5th of logistics... Use it or lose it.
I am not so sure about the VLS systems now in use. And the railgun is still undergoing testing while the DDX project was shelved.
If you had to, you can lash a ship to another and support one with the other's hotel power (Heat, water, air etc)
Submarines are our best asset. They have only one limitation and that is food. Particularly fresh food. They can make air, water etc all they want.
THe other asset that the US Navy prides itself on as proven again and again in wars past is damage control. As long you have the man power able and unhurt you can patch it. Some things are dry dock only. But does not mean that they will not attempt the repairs.
A multi ton warhead designed to turn a warship into a big hole and millions of little holes weeping blood and gore while it sinks is a very deadly enemy.
At some point American Magic in defense to keep the Carrier safe is going to be run within the computers while the humans keep watch and prepare for the worst.
Remember we have 18 year olds moving multi million dollar equiptment around 24/7 in a mission of vital important. We would not trust civilian trash to mop the gas station deck at home but our very best and brightest go into the Military and leverage eventually into Government and then Private sector.
Some will make it, some wont.
The last time I saw one of these kids (Kids to me at over 50) had a problem shown on you tube. The cable system arrestor has failed and is now whipping viciously around this man. He was force to literally dance for his very life among the screaming wires.
He did it right. But for a few long seconds a mistake in physical training, agility or focus would have at the minimum cut the sailor in half.
At some point the evolution of Carriers must go down to smaller carriers supporting a squadron each instead of one monster carrier.
Indeed I understand the Ray Drone is now being deployed into the Navy shortly and it will provide another wrinkle in naval warfare.
I am and will always be a Battleship man. There is nothing like fire support for a amphibious landing in the old days. Now as Afghanistan's example when we took small peice of afghanistan and one marine told us over the FM radio, we own this peice.
There was hope.
Only later would I learn just how ballsy the helicopter wing were to make it happen.
I will not discount our Persian Enemies, they are a multi thousand year empire with a rich history and this fight will hurt.
I can go on but at some point our Volunteers step up and maybe have to write a check with thier blood or very lives to keeps us safe and thier shipmates alive.
We can always build a ship but it will take years before we regen a industry that can crank out a ship faster than the enemies can sink it.
That will be the great weakness in the next war.
I consider the Iranian exercise a great oppertunity to conduct Elint and have ears and eyes everywhere to aggregate the frequences, data and uncover working data centers, fiber trunks and electrric grids and so forth so on.
That will prove valuable.
And in possibly related news: Finnish Authorities Find 69 [Patriot] Missiles Aboard Ship. The Chinese think they were bound for South Korea. But I’m guessing it was the Persian Gulf, perhaps Saudi Arabia, UAE, or maybe Kuwait. 2012 is going to be such fun.
Bonn Chance 2012.
Weird Al said it best:
It's Christmas at Ground Zero,
The button has been pressed;
They're blarin' on the radio,
That this is not a test...
Isn’t it time we stop dragging out the warmonger material from Stratfor which supports the neocon preemptive kinds of assault on Iran and begin figuring out why Zero Hedge brings out this material regularly. And now at Christmas?
By now, do we all know Stratfor?
George Friedman’s Stratfor also is a front for the pro-war, pro-US-Empire Jewish oligarchs Friedman’s every pronouncement carries the underpinnings of this dangerous globalist cabal. Here are the startling paragraphs in Friedman’s analysis that advocated the bombing of Iran in 2010:
“If Obama were to use foreign policy to enhance his political standing through decisive action, and achieve some positive results in relations with foreign governments, the one place he could do it would be Iran… Obama has avoided overt military action against Iran, so a confrontation with Iran would require a deliberate shift in the U.S. stance, which would require a justification.
“The most obvious justification would be to claim that Iran is about to construct a nuclear device. Whether or not this is true would be immaterial…. Nor would the claim be a lie. Defining what it means to almost possess nuclear weapons is nearly a metaphysical discussion. It requires merely a shift in definitions and assumptions…” (fromThe War Recovery, by David Broder, The Washington Post 2010
Will the hope for all men be swallowed up in the greed of a few?
Just who is the audience for the run-up to another Middle East War, nomenclature supplied by the neocon warmonger George Friedman (Stratfor)? The audience is the potential patriot young man who will fight and die to “support our ally in the Middle East,” the ”dumb kid on the block” Jon Carroll calls Lenny.
Jon Carroll’s The Decision to Kill People, February 18, 1998 (SF Gate):
I have been reading about D-Day in Stephen Ambrose's book of the same name. I have been, therefore, reading about just one day in a long and very nasty war. The thing about war is: Lots of people die. We don't seem to talk about that much, when we talk about war with Iraq. We don't say: "Our plan is to kill a lot of Iraqis while accepting the death of some Americans," although that is in fact our plan.
On D-Day, you will recall, the good guys won. The Allied forces had the advantage of a demoralized and ill-prepared enemy, overwhelming superiority in material, total control of the skies, better intelligence, and the always useful element of surprise.
By the end of D-Day, the Allies had secured essentially every town and bridge they had planned to capture. It was a decisive victory; the war was over a year later.
And yet there were an estimated 4,900 Allied casualties in that one 24-hour period, 2,000 on Omaha Beach alone. They died in the most grotesque ways possible -- drowned when their equipment proved too heavy, run over by their own tanks, riddled with bullets while hanging in trees, shot through the head as they reached for a cigarette. The one word that survivors of Omaha Beach used over and over again was "hell."
"I was a visitor to hell." "Nothing can scare me because I have been to hell." "It was worse than hell ever could be."
Imagine what the Iraqis caught up in Desert Storm must have felt like. You saw the aerial photographs, miles and miles of incinerated bodies as the might of the American Army, the Army you paid for, struck down the sons and brothers and husbands of Iraq, people who had the misfortune to live in a nation ruled by a corrupt megalomaniac.
Desert Storm, the clean little war that we all watched on television, claimed 268 American lives. A tiny number, until you think of that many corpses stacked in your living room. The number of Iraqis killed is not known. Best estimate, military and civilian: 400,000.* That's about half the residents of San Francisco, dead in a week.
And because Desert Storm was so darned necessary and so darned effective, we are contemplating making a sequel. Operation Desert Hurricane: This Time We Mean It.
WE ARE ABOUT to kill some more Americans and Iraqis as a favor to our friends. That's what we're saying. Not that our friends are grateful -- they won't even let us stage the attack from their territory. Our dear friend Israel is sure grateful, but not to the extent that its current government will obey the U.N. resolutions or negotiate in good faith with the Palestinians.
We're the big dumb kid on the block. Yeah, Lenny, you go beat up Saddam. We'll all be grateful, sure. We'll be your friend. You can come to our clubhouse. Bang bang, he's dead, ha ha ha! Good going, Lenny.
TODAY AT 11 a.m., sundry administration officials will go on television to "educate" the public about the need to kill people. Be sure to watch. See if they explain to the future widows and widowers of America why all the death is necessary.
See if they can explain why the economic boycott that was supposed to cripple Iraq merely exacerbated the problem. See if they reveal to you that the same brilliant minds that argued for the economic boycott are now pushing the air strikes. See if they can tell you what happens when it's over. See if they have a plan better than "we kill people every so often and wait for Saddam to get cancer."
What we have at the moment is a halfhearted war opposed by nearly everybody. What we have is the big dumb kid standing tall. What we have is the moral equivalent of the Bay of Pigs.
Me, I keep coming back to D-Day. I keep coming back to how much horror there is even in a necessary war. I keep seeing bodies in the sand. This just in: An "air strike" is not a video game; it's a form of murder.
http://articles.sfgate.com/1998-02-18/entertainment/17714239_1_desert-storm-omaha-beach-iraqis
*Update on Carroll’s 1998 figures:
Casualties in Iraq: The Human Cost of Occupation | Antiwar.com
Americans Deaths: 4483 / Estimated Total Wounded: 100,000+ / Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,455,590 (from JustForeignPolicy.org)
http://antiwar.com/casualties/
"And yet there were an estimated 4,900 Allied casualties in that one 24-hour period, 2,000 on Omaha Beach alone."
Joseph P. Kennedy, U.S. Ambassador to Britain during the years immediately preceding WW2 was the father of the famous American Kennedy dynasty. James Forrestal the first US Secretary of Defense (1947-1949) quotes him as saying "Chamberlain (the British Prime Minister) stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war". (The Forrestal Diaries ed. Millis, Cassell 1952 p129).
http://www.rense.com/general92/dirty.htm
Interesting. The rarity of this submerged view makes one wonder how populations seventy years from now, if man is not extinct, would deny that the Jews forced us into a Middle East War, possibly leading to WWIII, or Armageddon.
I am a history buff and I decided to read Hitlers Mein Kempf (Uncencored version)
It certainly gives perspective to the WW2, and today Hitlers fears and warnings are just as relevent.
Because I don't like what is happening to the Palestinians, I can see that the Israeli Zionists have the tendencies Hitler tried to prevent.
Think of Hitlers "Jewish Solution" as a way of dealing with Muslim people today, if we felt that Muslims were an enemy within. Hell the US interred the Japanese in camps too. When you are at war with someone (Hitler with the Russian Communist who were mostly Jews) then of course you are going to inter them.
What does D-Day remotely have to do with this story(besides the fact that some of the information you cite is simply either incorrect or flat out wrong)? As terrible as those conditions on D-Day were, they were nothing with the ferocity in which most of the major US campaigns were fought in the Pacific or anyone on the German-Russian front where soldiers endured conditions that would have broken their US/British counterparts.
If you want to discuss how horrible war is from an American perspective, I would recommend reading accounts of any of the major campaigns in the Pacific starting with Guadalcanal Diary or anything on Okinawa/Iwo Jima/Tarawa/etc.
Send in the SAAB aircraft!
They're allowed to do what they want to do. Hard to reserve a spot during the rest of the year when battle groupies are in the area.
Nothing to this, just get popcorn, observe, and war plan based on how they do.
Also interesting is the Carrier group GB and most others appear to have returned to port.
It's a pretty sad world when the Iranians are the good guys compared to their warmongering, fraudulent counterparts in the US.
This whole thing is coming to an end though. The elite and Central Banks have been forcing down the price of gold and buying as much physical product as they can, which suggests that 2012/2013 will be when they let the entire world come crashing down in flames.
Don't be surprised if they start it all off with military strikes against Iran, in the hopes of distracting the moronic public from what is really going on.
Read:
http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Wealth-Mr-Andrew-Costello/dp/1463523017/ref
"It is a world filled with the mysterious justice of God.” ---Uncle Abner in The Doomdorf Mystery.
There is coming a time when there will will be no one left to fight for the America that the bankers and the Zionists have wrought. That time may be now.
This won't really affect me, as I bought two barrels of oil when the price was $55 bucks a barrel.
I don't really know how to refine it in my garage. So I will probably just try boiling it down over the Barbecue or some shit.
nah, nothing can go wrong, right?
Thank god that the Iranians are not friendly with the chinese who have tested their ship destroyer missile this year ! Hold on - they are very friendly but they would not want to prove their new missile in the straits of Hormuz ,would they ? Phew !! I am also quite sure that Iranian technology brought down the US drone this month with no help from the Chinese at all . At least we can all agree on these 2 aspects - or not . God be with all the men in that battlegroup
But they don't even need any Chinese ballistic missile ship killer!
They've already designed, tested and made operational their own independent Iranian ballistic anti-ship missile capability.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aPBSsVYA2IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O5BlNsyxhM8
This is what the US war drum-beaters don't understand, and don't want to admit.
Iran is a country that is much more advanced, organised, capable and serious than Iraq ever looked like becoming, and they have been at war, or nearly at war, for almost 33 years. They learned how to fight modern battles, they suffered great loses learning how to.
They've now become a serious regional power that's aligning with Russia and China, with has its own extensive network of combat proxies.
What's more, they believe and feel deeply that they're on the right side of the frey, and that they are facing a genuine Global Evil that absolutely must be stopped no matter what it takes.
So it would be complete madness to start a strategic war for survival with Iran, they have the west by the balls.
The pathetic deluded war-mongers above are reading from an old 1990's CNN script!
They fail to grasp that things have changed since Bush declared Iran the numero-uno in the Axis of Evil.
Did everyone in the US militarist dimwittery really think Iran would just sit there, and take that lying chaffing horseshit from an utter cretin and mass-murdering global vermin such as George W Bush?
When in Rome, you do what the Romans do.
You build nukes and delivery systems or you end up the mid-afternoon Matinee in the Washington Colosseum.
This is just a flexing of their tiny muscles. But it has the potential to escalate. If they successful do it (close) then, in their tiny minds they are "tough", but really they are weak. If they ever actually close it, there will be swift war and they will loose, however the aftermath and mess might really hurt us. 500 a barrel would callapse the USA. How crazy are they really? I don't think they are suicidal. If they got nukes to back anything up, it's worse. I think however the timing ( Christmas ) is just grandstanding for the region saying " we are the big boys able to stand up to USA ". Not good relations for the long term.
500 barrel means 40 dollar desiel. That will stop the Nation food and gas.
Have now you the time to prepare at least three months water and two months food to start. That way you move into weaponry for home defense when the Zombies come for you.
At some point down the road, oil will be gone. Then what?
Oh yea time to walk off some of that fat and obesity.
not really, these guys really are true believers in their fatalistic mystic shia islam. imagine what msnbc and bbc and the like would be writing and saying if iran was a born again christian nation doing this war excercise. but not a peep yet the iranins repeatedly keep saying they want to finish off the jewish people and the non muslim west. its not politics, they really believe this shia stuff and you cannot apply game theory to people that are crazy.
Marketwatch just picked up this story (obviously written by a neocon):
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iran-wastes-no-time-testing-the-waters-2011-12-23?link=MW_home_latest_news
Fuck the banksters and their bloodlust.
Just one accident out there is all it will take to get the next thing going... and may well come from our own people, on purpose.
Think it is impossible? Look at what happened to our financial system and our debt and our rights and our representative government.
IMHO this means that as the Israelis use the dark of the moon on Dec 24 to overfly a compliant Jordan (protected from Syria by US armored forces on its northern border) and irrelevant Iraqi air defenses on the way to hit Iran, Iranian Naval forces will be deployed a few minutes - as missiles fly - and less than a hour's flying time from Israel, and will be out of port so that they are less vulnerable to attack by Israel - while the Americans just sit and watch.
And if the Saudis also allow Israeli overflight and re-fueling, the Iranian Naval forces will be able to reach all their key Western oil facilities in seconds, while the land-based forces on Iran's West coast will be able to simultaneously take out Saudi facilities just across the Gulf. And of course these missiles are pre-targeted and will go automatically in the event of a decapitation strike, probably because unless they are pinged every few minutes they are programmed to be launched by the thousands.
War games my ass- this is the roll-up to all out regional war, and I have my doubts that, like Vegas, what happens in the ME will stay in the ME.
Duck and cover. Ho ho ho.
very good representation of the situation.
The scope for action on the timeline you laid out, however has been significantly altered by an unexpected truculence on the part of the JCS, who have fired back at the ZOG apparatchiks attempt to demonize Iran and facilitate the last phase of the PNAC agenda -the generals DO NOT WANT WAR AT THIS TIME. They are signalling willingness for a showdown with the puppetmasters....at last.
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20903
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20909
larouche is to be taken with a double dose of salt, however, there are a few gems to be picked up now and again from his analysis and contacts-
this is one of those times.
Serious tea leaf reading going on in telaviv at this moment - they thought they owned everybody already. Time to go for a commercial break......
FROM THE APFN YAHOOGROUPS:
BOYCOTT ALL CNN SPONSORS!
December 23, 2011
Hello folks,
This has been a pet project for a long time. This good soul must have read one of these posts because shazam, here is the list that we are seeking of the sponsors of CNN and possibly some other lame stream media propaganda outlets.
No longer do we refer to any news or main stream news media as news or media. It will henceforth all be known as propaganda. Please set the pace people. From this time on, ALWAYS REFER TO THE MEDIA AS PROPAGANDA. Never call it main stream or news again. It is nothing less than propagandistic lies and dis/mis-information. Hang the label accordingly.
Here is the list below. Make this go viral and EVERYONE CALL these evil companies and tell them you will no longer buy or use any of their products as long as the sponsor the propaganda, and that you are encouraging a world wide boycott of their products for supporting the lies and dis/mis-information of the propaganda spewing cnn machine and other propaganda channels polluting the airwaves with the lies and BS to mislead and mind control the people.
From this link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2128336/posts
I saw an earlier thread about boycotting CNN and contacting their sponsors. For what it's worth, I suffered through about 3 hours of Headline News to compile a list of some of their sponsors.
I hope this is helpful to anyone wanting to contact their advertisers.
Sorry I don't know how to make the hyperlinks work.
CNN Headline News Advertisers
HEC Paris MBA Program http://www.mba.hec.edu/mba/site/the_mba_that_builds_character.2.html Phone Number - France numbers only listed on web site
JK Harris and Company http://www.jkharris.com/?ml_source=networkcable Phone Number - 800-556-9795
AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals http://www.astrazeneca-us.com/ Phone - 800-236-9933
E-Trade https://us.etrade.com/e/t/home Phone - 800-387-2331
Monex Precious Metals http://monex.com/ Phone - 800-444-8317
Sprint / Nextel http://www.sprint.com/index.html?brand=Nextel Sprint customers – call 1-888-211-4727 Nextel customers – call 1-800-639-6111
Select Quote http://www.selectquote.com/home2/homepage.html Phone 800-777-8300
Wells Fargo https://www.wellsfargo.com/ Phone 800-869-3557
AARP http://www.aarp.org/ Phone - 888-687-2277
Philips / Norelco http://www.usa.philips.com/index.page Phone - (212) 850-5000 Scott M. Weisenhoff CEO Philips Electronics North America email scott.m.weisenhoff@philips.com
Subaru http://www.subaru.com/tools/contactus/index.jsp Phone - 1-800-782-2783
Geico http://www.geico.com/about/contactus/ Phone - 800-861-8380
Boston Market http://www.bostonmarket.com/contacts Phone - 800-365-7000
Overstock.com https://help.overstock.com/cgi-bin/overstock.cfg/php/enduser/contact_pag... Phone 800-843-2446
Liberty Medical http://www.libertymedical.com/diabetes/contact-us/default.aspx?sem-lander-3 Phone 800-970-4831
Live Well Financial http://www.livewellfinancial.com/?gclid=CLTTo4eC5JYCFRlRagodaiF_Ow Phone – 800-917-1170
American Coalition for Clean Coal http://www.americaspower.org/Contact-Us Phone – 877-358-6699
University of Phoenix http://yourphoenixdegree.com/010/
Partnership for Prescription Assistance https://www.pparx.org/Intro.php Phone - 888-477-2669
Ehealth Insurance Services http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ Phone – 800-977-8860
Dodge http://www.dodge.com/webselfservice/dodge/index.jsp?screenName=recall Phone - 1-800-853-1403
Hyundai http://www.hyundaiusa.com/global/contactus/main.aspx Phone – 800-633-5151
Jos A Banks Clothiers http://www.josbank.com/customer_service_main.tem Phone – 800-999-7472 or 800-285-2265
Career Builder.com http://www.careerbuilder.com/share/aboutus/pr_main.aspx Toll Free: (800) 638-4212
Zurich Financial Services http://www.zurich.com/main/services/contact/generalcontact.htm Swiss Phone numbers only
Johnson and Johnson https://secure-www.jnj.com/wps/wcm/jsp/contactUs.jsp Phone – 732-524-0400
US Home Auction http://www.ushomeauction.com/ Phone – 800-793-6107
Cisco http://www.cisco.com/web/siteassets/contacts/index.html Phone – 800-553-6387 or 408-526-4000
Exxon Mobil http://www.exxonmobil.com/SiteFlow/SuppInfo/Contacts/SF_CT_BusHeadquarte... Phone – 972-444-1000
Jitterbug http://www.jitterbug.com/ContactUs/ Phone – 800-918-8543
PLEASE ADD TO THIS LIST IF YOU CAN AND PASS IT ON.
EVERYONE MUST CALL THESE COMPANIES AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF THE LIES AND PROPAGANDA OF THE TV CNN STATION THEY SUPPORT AND SPONSOR.
IF ANYONE WANTS TO WRITE A FORM LETTER TO SEND THEM, PLEASE DO SO AND POST IT ALL OVER HERE SO EVERYONE CAN ALSO SEND THESE LETTERS. PERHAPS OL ROSE WILL FOR A NICE GIFT. IT IS CHRISTMAS AFTER ALL!
In Service,
ROSE KING
PS: Be aware of possible false flags and the escalation of more war in new (Persian)Gulf of Tonkin?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-launching-massive-ten-day-war-game-to...
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watcha going to do when the iranians come for you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHgV9z8lBwY&feature=relmfu
I remember the brain damaged jerks in the 1980s who used to mouth idiocies like, "Better dead than Red", using much the same level of cheap-shot logical application as you.
It seems the us cant go a decade with out a war.
I wonder how many young people have diead now for oil and TPTB
What economy does Iran have outside of oil & gas? It would make no sense whatsoever for THEM to close the Straights. However it would make perfect sense for someone else to close it, and blame Iran for doing it. Closing the Straights starves Iran {and the west}. BTW, look at that naval map. If a beligerant were to take out Norfolk, you could say goodbye to FIVE carrier battle groups and two LHDs. That would be catastrophic. I can't believe they would allow so many capital ships at one port, at one time.
Russia can supply them from the north, look at the map. It's why israel was behind that attempt to start a war in Georgia a few years back-to close off the land route to Iran.
they export pistachio nuts and dried fruits. ok quality but not much to build an economy on.
At the same time Israel starts its biggest ever joint Air Force manoeuvres with ...Italy, inviting Turkey (all is forgiven, jah?) to participate.
It's the liberals who have war lust ! That's why they always rant for peace....they are afraid of their inner lust for war ! They rant against war....then they do everything humanly possible to provoke war ! They're bitchez....they say no, no, no....when they're dying to be fucked ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Being A Liberal Is Being In Touch With Your Female Inner Self ! Furthermore, Iran wants to muck up the Christmas holiday ! This and their embassy temper tantrums is proof we have seriouly damaged their nuclear program !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo
/sarcoff
what the hell is the matter with you people ?? Ho bama IS lightin candles and floating them down the river AND flying kites for PEACE ...... just that , well those tomahawks DO look like candles ,sorta , and those F22's are called KITES aint they?? Hell , who got the effin Nobel prize for PEACE anyways?? not the goddam ayatolla , thats fer sure....
@ "..WAR GAME ..."
brain damaged double speak ongoing.
$100 says the US (Guided by a Jew) will shoot one of its own ships, and blame it on Iran. Or maybe the Israelis will shoot from a stolen Iranian boat.
Iran has a right to engage in naval exercises, like any other free sovereign country.
Let us just enjoy Christmas, instead of worrying.
Jews please just give us Christmas, without stirring up fear and war anxiety. Jesus preached peace.Perhaps the Musliums would leave us alone, if they new we were peaceful.
Let us just enjoy Christmas, instead of worrying.
Jews please just give us Christmas, without stirring up fear and war anxiety. Jesus preached peace.Perhaps the Musliums would leave us alone, if they new we were peaceful.
Jesus was Jewish.
History says the peaceful muslims are not peaceful whether you leave them alone or not. And so do they; it is them who divide the world into the house of war (non muslims) and peace (muslims) NOt that there is much peace in the house of muslims, either. Of course, their definition of you leaving them alone is not complaining when they take your property, country, culture and lives. You have 1400 years of history of what happened to Jews, Pagans, Christians, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Hindus and others thinking like you do about getting along with those peaceful muslims who chose to join them in their lands. So, yes, go enjoy Christmas never giving much thought why there are no more Christians in the land of Christ.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/1180/christian-persecution-in-gaza
http://voices.yahoo.com/christians-gaza-fear-their-lives-as-muslims-403365.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_X57sBzTWM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSrpf5vRyuM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-ysO2fsJM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8x8K-ZOFh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_iTXuM2Wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGxqjdTepS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYHmmUegvqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmiEHgO7_l0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5SkGpIKDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l2xC9-gLl4
But the West is peaceful ... if left alone ... right?
I bet I can make a much M U C H longer utube list of US atrocities, than you can coble together of Muslim atrocities.
Don't pretend to pull the splinter out of your brother's eye, when you have a timber roof-truss stuck into your own eye, hypocrite.
But the West is peaceful ... if left alone ... right?
Yeah, comparatively speaking.
I bet I can make a much M U C H longer utube list of US atrocities, than you can coble together of Muslim atrocities.
well, then, let's look at a religio-politico map of the world from 250 years ago and see which of the two has taken over more of the world's other lands, killed and oppressed the most. I am pretty confident islam will be in another league of its own.
a timber roof-truss stuck into your own eye, hypocrite.
A hypocrite is one who says one thing (we are a religion of peace, all are equal, we come in peace, etc.) and does another (wages war in the name of religion, divides the people of the world into inferior and superior based on their religion, betrays the host's generosity, etc.). I dont see the West doing that but I see 2000 years of islamic imperialism doing that.
Jeezus! ...
I guess you never heard of Western European Imperial conquest and subjugation, enslavement and taxation of most of the good bits of planet Earth, that's referred to as "European colonialism" during the ~300 years prior to WWII, and the building of Western global imperial navy's and Marines to dominate the oceans?
Nor do you understand the fact that it was primarily Europeans who trued to colonise the middle east (and were kicked out repeatedly), especially during the latter part of the industrial era (but several times earlier as well) and that Islamic states were out-classed, out-gunned, out-traded, impoverished and weakening, throughout the period.
At least do some reading on imperial colonisation and Arab and Persian history, because compared to what Europe was doing, the World of Islam were complete pikers;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire#Colonial_empires
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_colonialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-imperialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Western_civilization
Persian History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_history
The Ottoman Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ottoman_Empire
History of Syria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Syria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_history_of_Syria
History of India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_rebellion_of_1857
Colonial history of South East Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Indonesian_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_Indies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_colonial_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_colonial_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_New_Guinea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonial_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam#Nguy.E1.BB.85n_Dynasty_a...
Colonial history of Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_history_of_Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_New_Guinea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_colonial_empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_colonial_empire
Europeans in China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_missions_in_China_1807%E2%80%931953
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
Colonial history of Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonial_empire
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Islamic Empires:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa#Isl...
Yeah ... not much to write home to mom about regarding Islam over the past 300 years of endless European invasions, wars and literal genocides, against people who did absolutely nothing to harm 'Christian' Westerners or their interests.
The nerve of you to even suggest the reverse is true is simply barking-mad, Mr Doberman.
Minor issue: it's the John C. Stennis. The 20 year olds on board sometimes call it "JCS".
Surprising they're not actually in the Gulf right now.
What some of the chicken hawks don't realize is the Iran has so many Soviet-era anti-ship missiles all over their coast and on islands in the Gulf that the JCS would be sunk within hours of an air strike. And a carrier battle group does not have enough firepower to take them all out. Lose just one carrier and any military campaign would fail shortly thereafter. You don't need to shoot down US aircraft, you just damage the ship that lands the planes.
or 100,000 Iranians use Frenel lenses to bake the carriers.
Throughout history the little guy triumphs, because desperate people try left field solutions.
Can't we just be at peace over Christmas? Oh I forgot the Jews hate Christmas.
The Fresnel lens was developed by the French physicist Augustin-Jean Fresne, another thing not invented by muslims.
First France start to piss off tthe UK recently, now they have put a little hitch in the upcoming plans..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/8975096/Turkey-a...
La merde juste frappé le ventilateur
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dealers-in-death/
Dealers in Death
Why did the Iranian cross the road? To blow up the other side.
How many Iranians does it take to change a light bulb? Two. One to hold the bulb and another to blow up the house.
An Iranian walks into a bar and says, "Bartender...(SOUND OF EXPLOSION)
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Merry Christmas to all my Persian friends living in Islamic occupied Iran and to those who were lucky enough to make it out in the 80s. May you get your culture and lands back in the new year.