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Iran Makes First Nuclear Fuel Rods, Fires Mid-Range SAM In Retaliation For Full Blown US Financial Boycott
The political press has been abuzz over the much anticipated signing of the NDAA by Barack Obama on Saturday: this move was not surprising because Obama had already made it clear he would go ahead and enact the law, even though he added some 'stern' language that is supposed to legitimize what some say is a precursor to the establishment of martial law in the US. To wit: "The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists." And yet he signed it (full text of Obama's statement on the NDAA, sent while on vacation in Hawaii, can be found here). Perhaps the reason for that unpopular move were some of the more nuanced contents of the Bill, among which is the decision to fully boycott not only Iran, but any bank, including central bank, and other financial institution found to deal with Iran. Which incidentally means most of Russia and China, and probably half of Europe, as all petrodollars generated by the country's petroleum export industry first have to make their way via the international financial community back into the country. The history buffs out there will realize that this form of couched antagonism is nothing short of the US approach to Japan during World War II, which was essentially provoked into attacking Pearl Harbor - read the details of the October 7, 1940 McCollum Memo here, and especially bullet point 10. And unfortunately, it appears that within 24 hours or so, Iran may have already taken the bait. As Reuters and BBC report, Iran has both test-fired a medium-range SAM during the ongoing wargames exercise previously discussed here, as well as made a formal announcement it has made and tested domestically made nuclear fuel rods: precisely the event that the Israel or US-borne Stuxnet was designed to prevent. So as the tennis match of escalation keeps on growing the ball is now once again in the US' court.
Here are some details on the wholesale Iranian financial boycott via Reuters.
U.S. President Barack Obama signed into law on Saturday a defense funding bill that imposes sanctions on financial institutions dealing with Iran's central bank, while allowing for exemptions to avoid upsetting energy markets. The sanctions target both private and government-controlled banks - including central banks - and would take hold after a two- to six-month warning period, depending on the transactions, a senior Obama administration official said.
Under the law, the president can move to exempt institutions in a country that has significantly reduced its dealings with Iran and in situations where a waiver is in the U.S. national security interest or otherwise necessary for energy market stability. He would need to notify Congress and waivers would be temporary, but could be extended.
Sanctioned institutions would be frozen out of U.S. financial markets.
"Our intent is to implement this law in a timed and phased approach so that we avoid repercussions to the oil market and ensure that this damages Iran and not the rest of the world," the senior U.S. official told Reuters.
Iran's central bank is the main conduit for Tehran's oil revenues.
Obama signed the bill during his vacation in Hawaii, just hours after Tehran said it had delayed planned long-range missile tests in the Gulf and signaled it was ready for fresh talks on its disputed nuclear program.
Senior U.S. officials said Washington was consulting with its foreign partners to ensure the new sanctions can work without harming global energy markets. They stressed the U.S. strategy of both isolating and remaining open to engagement with Iran was unchanged.
Ah yes, the precious energy markets. We can't have some unprecedented volatility there, not now when it is now officially an election year. What however we can have, is control over the supply of one of the world's biggest oil exporters. Kind of what happened in Iraq a few years back to stunning success...
So what was Iran's response?
Iran has successfully produced and tested fuel rods for use in its nuclear power plants, state television reported on Sunday, in a snub to international demands that it halt sensitive nuclear work.
The rods, which contain natural uranium, were made in Iran and have been inserted into the core of Tehran's research nuclear reactor, the television reported.
Nuclear fuel rods contain small pellets of fuel, usually low-enriched uranium, patterned to give out heat produced by nuclear reaction without melting down.
"This great achievement will perplex the West, because the Western countries had counted on a possible failure of Iran to produce nuclear fuel plates," the Tehran Times newspaper said.
The development was announced at a time of growing tension between Western powers and Iran after the U.N. nuclear agency reported in November that Tehran appeared to have worked on designing a nuclear weapon. Secret research to that end may be continuing, it said.
The United States and its European allies have increased the sanctions pressure on Iran, one of the world's largest oil producers, to push Tehran to halt the enrichment.
U.S. President Barack Obama signed more sanctions against Iran into law on Saturday, shortly after Iran signalled it was ready for new talks with the West on its nuclear programme and said it had delayed long-range missile tests in the Gulf.
But wait, there's more. From the BBC:
Iran has successfully test-fired a medium-range surface-to-air missile during military exercises in the Gulf, the official Irna news agency reports.
Iranian naval commander, Mahmoud Mousavi, was quoted as saying the missile was equipped with the "latest technology" and "intelligent systems".
The test comes a day after he denied earlier state media reports that Iran had test-fired long-range missiles.
He said on Saturday missile launches would take place "in the coming days".
Iran's 10 days of naval exercises began last week and are taking place in international waters to the east of the strategic Strait of Hormuz.
They come at a time of increased tensions between the West and Iran over its nuclear ambitions.
Tehran reacted angrily last week to reports that Western nations were planning to impose further sanctions targeting Iran's oil and financial sectors.
So little by little the US will escalate pressure on Iran to commit increasingly more glaring acts of outright 'insanity', until finally it does the one thing that according to the US media, which will likely be needed to wash-rinse-spin cycle the newsflow, will push the American people, who are just not going to take such 'vile' proocations any more, over the edge. At least according to Santorum's Meet the Press interview from this morning which made precisely that point all too clear.
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that Israel sold US Patriot missiles to China, but the shipment was intercepted in Finland. have been waiting for something to connect China, Israel, Bin Laden and 9/11.
Dude,there is no proof of that, or even if the missiles are LEGIT Patriots.
Wanna stir the shit?, this is a way to separate allies......................capeche.
Seen NOTHING else about it, and no stories that even remotely prove these are American made.(IF you have credible links pls paste).
Great way to start a disinformation campaign, divide the TWO powers capable or taking out Iran's Reactors.
Old saying,
Don't believe anything you hear, and half of what you SEE.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/23/breaking-patriot-missiles-seized...
the China Ukranian connection is also interesting.
http://articles.cnn.com/2001-10-04/world/russia.plane.crash_1_ukrainian-...
and on Muslims in China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China
I remember the article you linked to was written a week ago. Those idiots that wrote the article also stated that only Israel had Patriot missiles even though like nine others such as South Korea and Germany have them. That being said, you still quote these people as if they're gospel.
Older saying
Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean it is.
Veterans Today gave this update on December 23, 2011:
Update: Germany officials have offered to take responsibility for the shipment to China though there is no record of Germany ever having received the missiles in the first place. There had been a shipment of PAC 2 missiles, 64, several months ago, which had been completed. No further shipment had been scheduled. Germany is responding to a request from Netanyahu to Merkel to save Israel from a potential spy scandal. Similarly, a South Korean paper has published a story about the missiles but at no time has the South Korean embassy in Helsinki, made a statement or made contact with authorities as would be expected. This one gets more interesting every day. Germany has a long history of working with Israel, call it “war guilt” or profiteering. The centrifuges used to develop nuclear weapons that were distributed by Israel, first to South Africa then by Israeli Johann Meyer to Libya were of Germany origin. Saddam Hussein received his biological and chemical warfare equipment from Germany, but through Bush family sources, not Israel. We are told the missiles heading to China were to be “cloned” for sale along with radar and launch units, already there. They would be sold worldwide under Israeli branding in competition with the US. Israel is free to sell to clients the US would be likely to refuse. The JA 20 Stealth fighter, built from plans stolen by Bush era White House Israeli “dual-citizens” is only one of dozens of defense projects stolen by Israeli spies and sent to China. China has every current nuclear weapons design and plans to upgrade its submarine fleet and will be building aircraft carriers eventually. All will be done with American technology.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/23/breaking-patriot-missiles-seized-sold-to-china-by-israel/
Goes back further than that. Readup on the "Transfer Agreement"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
http://www.transferagreement.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT2t47dHt8Q
If Israel or whoever wanted China to have the Patriot missile technology, they did not need to smuggle 69 missiles, but only one or two plus the documentation on the radar interception.
The fact that so many missiles were smuggled, plus that 160 ton of explosives makes me think that they were intended for launching somewhere...
They did a good job hiding this story amidst the revelry of the new year. Sadly this is all playing out in the most predictable way possible, its an extra-white swan.
Obama and America's middle east policy with respect to Iran is about to be exposed one way or the other. I'm not sure what kind of response Obama will invoke but I'm guessing it will be more like Neville Chamberlain than Margaret Thatcher.
I'm not for another war but do we really want to allow Iran to go on building nuclear weapons? This might be the only conflict in the last several that we really should be in and unfortunately our armed services are severely strained. A very tough predicament.
let's see...Pukistan has them...PRK has them. How many nations have other nuclear-armed states invaded?
So if Iran has the Bomb, we won't be able to invade them? Oh noze.
Let's compare our body count in "freedom ops" to Iran's. Our brand of freedom is in actuality highly oppressive and highly lethal.
Iranians if you take them at their word would like to install an Islamic Caliphate. Set that aside. Not everyone believes the regime on this lunacy.
Do you not think the entire middle east will then pursue nuclear weapons as a result of an Iranian regime having one? Practicing closing the straits of hormuz is a signal of their future intentions with respect to using oil as the black mail. What price are you willing to pay?
I believe we are ill prepared to deal with Iran militarily but I think the consequences of not doing it are going to be very high.
If you tell me I can't sell my product or provide a living for my family because you don't think I like your actions and feeling as alone as the chinese-korean buffer state whose enemies are asymmetrically armed against me and play by unique rules that are unilateral and beyond question; it is called an act of war.
Would you be surprised that I thought the same as you? My last question is what bunch of fools in a dark closet did you sell that story of sufficient provocation to?
what Iranians said that? A lot of people say a lot of shit...so what?
Dogs that feel threatened are the ones that bite!
And why does Iran have to grant central bankers and western oil co's more access to THEIR oil? Just b/c TPTB say so?
What if some powerful company threatened the USA in a myriad of ways to gain profit and access to OUR national resources? Would we like that very much?
I hope you are not "one of those" that thinks b/c America is the Superpower that we have a right to everything, everywhere, all the time. That would be a disappointment, to say the least.
Yeah, good response "trav7777"...Way to give him the finger!
Do we trust "The Land of a Million Suicide Vests" the Bomb?
Iran is a pain in the ass without nukes, just what we need , religious fanatics with nukes.
we already have "religious fanatics with nukes" - Iran just wants to join the club in the only way that matters. . .
You must be meaning the "old testamentalists with nukes"? We got hundreds of them flaming scared someone stole their plans.
Do you realize you are parroting the official Tavistock-MIC propaganda line designed to instill fear?
Nuclear weapons are built as a DETERRANT, not the other way around. Oh....unless you are the USA.
Please back up your statement that Iran should not have a nuclear weapon with FACTS as to what they would do with it. Do you have any proof they would actually use it? Provide quotes straight from the source in correct translation....I don't want: "Well, so and so think tank says they will use it", etc.
Iran will do what it has to do to defend themselves against a planned US attack that was planned over 10 years ago by those that want oil and banking "opportunities". PNAC.
The government and the military have been paying professional propagandists for over a century to craft "news" and phrases which would have the effect of shaping the public's opinion and beliefs. It is documented. Read all you can about the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations.
All I am asking you is this: How did you form your opinion on what Iran should or will do? Who has shaped your thoughts? Is your opinion fact-based, or the unfortunate result of propaganda?
Here is some reading I found tonight if interested. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=24&gs_id=z&xhr=t&q=The+Twelfth+Imam+in+iran&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=The+Twelfth+Imam+in+iran&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=2f0b188327e19041&biw=1366&bih=677
1/1/2012 Iran has one reactor facility, 5 other nuclear processing facilities, 240 SAM Sites, 24 'Ships', 75 Command and control installations, 21 AFBs, 175 Attack Aircraft.
1/2/2012 "*POOF* ITS GONE!"
While our relations with Iran were never in the laughs department, I recall that when we took in the Shah and refused to give him up - it was downhill without stop. We are going down a dangerous road. China and Moscow are waiting in the wings.
Why is Ron Paul the bad guy? Why is he the screwball? He doen't want to bomb Iran and start WW III.
The US doesn't want to support Iranian dissidents, but wants to go toe to toe.
What kind of fucking sense does this make?
The US doesn't want to support Iranian dissidents, but wants to go toe to toe. What kind of fucking sense does this make?
Obama doesn't want to go toe to toe with Iran, that's just talk. Obama is caught in a tight spot. He always takes the Shia side in these conflicts. He just handed Iraq to the Shia, and made sure al Sadr survived to eventually take over Iraq for the Iranians. He coddles Hezbollah. But he has killed Sunni with no problem. (Finished off Sunni insurgency in Iraq, drone kills on the Taliban, killed Bin Laden, took down Gaddafi) Obama will never attack a Shia-run country, that's why he's been so quiet on Syria. He's just now giving that a little lip service as cover, but that's all, just lip.
This stems from his formative years among the Shia minority in Indonesia.
Wonderful children's story. Soon you will move up to the Adult section of the library.
New moon January 23rd. Darkest nights for attack from the sky...
Stealth bombers, bitchez!
And I thought the resource wars started after more massive printing. That's what I get for predicting events.
Read somewhere on non official briefing (bloomberg) that energy trade will not be affected as it disrupts the oil market and hence america's intrests. There's also a a 160 day window for actual imposition to give enough time to obama to negotiate while having a big stick sans the carrot approach. now all this is just speculation because whitehouse.gov has no briefing on signed legislation as it normally should have
Its amusing to see these "expert" commentators remark that iran would never block the straight of homuz because half the governments revenues are from oil shipments and it would be like commiting economic suicide.
What good is this oil in economic terms if the world cant pay for it? thats the logic iran is more going to follow based on past experience
presstv.ir had an intresting wonky story on how america is encouraging qatar (#1 ally) to overthrow sauds of saudia arabia (#2 ally). looks like theres some mergers and accqusition planned in the mid east.
I have no doubt in my mind that if iranian's are really serious about a blockade of the straights they will do it unannounced by timing an attack on unarmed tankers at a busy traffic time to ensure maximum disruption.
They arent going to be stupid enough to announce a blockade in force now, watch tankers stay in ports for couple days while american forces supress all ability to actually do a blockade.
Nothing quite effects oil prices than watching a ton of oil burn on tv too like in iraq-kuwait war coincinding with dessert storm
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I have no doubt in my mind that if iranian's are really serious about a blockade of the straights they will do it unannounced by timing an attack on unarmed tankers at a busy traffic time to ensure maximum disruption.
Any idea HOW difficult it is to sink a Tanker?.
Far more difficult than a Carrier,or Battle Wagon.
FAR harder.
If anyone from Iowa reads this - if Ron Paul fails prepare for war.
As quickly as events seem to be moving, this won't last until November or January 2013. Some idiot or group of idiots want war with Iran without realizing what that really means with respect to Russia, China, the price of oil, and a world economy, already bad, that would get exponentially worse.
I was suspicious when we got out of Iraq in a hurry last fall. I really hope this very loud saber rattling but it's getting worse by the day.
Exactly. Sanctions against Iran are coming because of Israeli policy. Israel is using the U.S. military to gain control over oil in the Middle East, as has been reported in Israeli papers.
However, IMO, it’s mostly politics at the moment. The Obama people are as dumb as rocks; Obama is signing away America’s liberties in defiance of his grassroots support and going over his left wing’s opposition to war because he thinks being strong on defense (war) and Israel will help him stay in office. IMO, he and they are mistaken. Americans are sick of being duped into wars of aggression as cover for globalists to steal resources; likewise, America’s love affair with Israel is turning cool as she realizes there’s no taming of this unrepentant, defiant shrew.
Please give these war policy makers more shovels so they can dig their way to the center of it all. Feeding this cancer more and more bile only ensures no reproduction and nullification by demographics is self-inflicting causus suicide.
There will be war before the election- it is Obama's trump card.
I have to agree. Ron Paul will not be president, either because he will be killed, or because Obama will be re-elected, as no-one will dare to change leader during a war.
The American people are being had again.
You can still make a difference by averting attention from the propaganda by marching on Apple, Wal-Mart and Washington and focus on the REAL problem: jobs for Americans NOW, American products made in America NOW!
You have little time left, get moving now and the American future is in the people's hands. Be a couch potato a bit longer and you have signed it away for good...
If I don't see Americans marching next week, I will know I can switch off my TV...
War is mankind's natural state, so I'm always prepared for it.
It is very unfortunate that America has become a 9 years old kid with a loaded gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scsetbTbrsY
Get ready to liberate oil again! The fallout from the economic strangulation will precipitate the war TPTB are itching to have.
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Oh Oh, the ESF (Exchange Stabilization Fund) needs to send in the US Military. Now!
Our 5-Star Generals J. Dimon and L. Blankfein need more debt and Sweet Crude Oil!
Lets roll
The Constitution has been torched, time for the real agenda to rear its ugly head. You see everything has happened according to plan, Globalization is going to be a Bitch. The Christmas Holidays will be followed up by Bank Holidays and the target practice that took place in Libya will prove to be just that. Just look at the events that have led us to where we are today and connect the dots and you will see that the 20 TRILLION dollars that has been spent was merely a bridge to get them to the final destination. Nothing has changed, the Banks are more insolvent then ever, Countries are more insolvent then ever and soon the props will be pulled and the whole thing will come tumbling down. When this happens the dollar and the Euro will be replaced and the reset button will be hit and the wealth of the sheeple will be stripped in one fell swoop.. Happy New Year Bitchez...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zv9NpQ3DVU
The US Plan To Collapse Iran's Central Bank - Inciting Oil Spike?
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/12/us-plan-to-collapse-irans-central-...
The Fed and Banking Cartel May have Launched an Attack on Iran's Central Bank
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/12/has-fed-and-banking-cartel-attacke...
For those too young to remember the historical progression:
1959: Eisenhower is a Soviet double agent, America to be turned over to Socialists! Money system to collapse, hyperinflation coming, get ready to live in the stone age! (from John Birch Society)
1960: Pope will rule America through Kennedy, who is Soviet double agent replacing Eisenhower! (John Birch Society)
1973: Nixon is going to cancel the elections and declare martial law, hyperinflation imminent due to leaving Gold Standard! This is the END for sure! Concentration camps already built! (Far Left)
1978: Jimmy Carter, High inflation and price controls leading to hyperinflation and monetary collapse imminent! (same crew, plus righty survivalists)
1982-3: Reagan is going to declare martial law and put people in concentration camps already built under Nixon! Money system to collapse! Total nuclear war any minute now! (Far Left, Far Right, Reagan so popular the 'cancel election' part too silly to use this time, Reagan wins 49 states)
1984: Entire US monetary system ready to collapse! The end is now! (Lyndon LaRouche and righty survivalists)
1997: Clinton!...never mind, he's got other interests.
2003: Bush will cancel elections and concentration camps are ready! Complete societal collapse imminent! FED easing leading to hyperinflation now! (Far Left, joined by Right wing survivalists)
Constantly since 2003: Collapse any day, martial law about to be put in place, hyperinflation now! (same as above)
2011-12: Guess what?
Yeah...no guessing here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qx20LA4PM0
C'mon, only two down votes for a simple rehash of the conspiracy theories of the last 50 years? You guys can do better than that!
Santorum ??? Google it... talk about unintended consequences!!!
The "committed Christian and father of 6(?)" who wants to bomb the hell out of anything that moves!
Sickening....
NDAA is SOPA on steroids. That Obama can be on a perpertual flame-loop admitting signing things he doesn't believe in. Should we wonder if half our Founding Fathers thought it was OK to do things King George III couldn't have dreamed of in our name is proof of nullification and interposition...anathema to his flag-waved hero, the Reverend MLK, Jr.
Obama needs his ATM working and he knows who is paying for the message. I think RonPaul will kick his ass as the only man in the room.
From Paul Mylchreest's recent Thunder Road Report, "Dear Portfolio Manager":
"Lindsey Williams’ predictions from his inside sources have almost always proved to be correct, e.g. oil would fall from US$150/bbl to US$50/bbl in a matter of months (2008) and there would be a Middle East crisis in three to four months’ time (October 2010), to name two of many. In April 2011, he said that the crisis would spread across the region and eventually take the oil price to US$200/bbl. In a recent interview, Lindsey Williams said that his insider source told him at war with Iran is planned for September/October 2012. The aim is to continue harassing Iran in the hope that it will fire the first shot."
Current events seem to be inline with harassment.
I wonder if he's a better predictor than Seymour Hersh, who predicted imminent (within weeks!) war with Iran three times during the Bush 43 years.
No sovereign is that dumb but Georgia on the air touting investment in their great newlands of South Ossetia. Best they can do is old plan A: shoot yourself or help the stupidest enemy to aim carefully. The bet is always with the former but hey, we got here through multiple choice tests and nobody got left behind untrained to know the bad answers.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/WPP.CHAP16.HTM
Zombie leadership: "Must.Have.Persian.Glass." <stomp><shuffle><stomp>
Zbig the grand chessboard
I believe that the following statement:
was originally made by Pontius Pilate, fifth Prefect of the Roman province of Judea, on being asked to sign the order to crucify Jesus.
(just kidding)
Yup, as Harry S. Truman would have paraphrased himself, "The Buck Stopped Near." More aware of history than even Billary (though evoking Camelot ad-infinitum), the 'prompter is looking near-term to avoid ballot-pummelling and longer-term avoiding looking like your typical world-stomper.
We are such lying hypocrites... world terrorists.
emptywheel quickly parses the specific signing statement language in two short posts here:
Start Out the New Year with Indefinite Detention and
The Worst Part of the Signing Statement: Section 1024 http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/12/31/the-worst-part-of-the-signing-state...And we are buying oil from Iran right now. You know "Afghanistan" ain't buying nothing without our money and approval.
Iran signs fuel deal with Afghanistan:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gI5m2JMyEbNVvinpzASIl...
pay attention to the hand, Eureka Springs, not THAT hand, THIS hand!
+1.
"this is the hand, the hand that takes." l.a.
ha ha ha ha ha ..
high.
Laurie Anderson - O Superman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7XnOnSkkA
ahhhh yes,
hold me MotherLand, oh Mom & Apple Pie, wrap me in your flag and hold me. . .
Dictatorships have typically asserted the power to imprison (or even assassinate) their own citizens without trial. Quite rightly, US citizens should be upset. But they are just now being put by their government in the same boat with everyone else.
What is especially terrible about the NDAA is the now formal and outrageous claim that the US government has the right to imprison forever (or assassinate) any person, the citizen of any country, without trial or evidence, anywhere in the world.
Talk about ... the "world terrorists" and "hating freedom".
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because they had been watching the steady march of racism-driven Western colonialism in Asia for generations and understood that, to the West, they were just a bunch of slant-eyes waiting to be colonized. On the other hand the Japanese thought of themselves as Asia's greatest civilization and military power and weren't about to let the West have its way with them. When we cut off their access to oil it pushed them over the edge. They knew what was coming next and attacked.
The Persians have been watching Western colonialism/imperialism for generations. They understand that, to the West, they are just a bunch of sand-niggers ( conflating them with Arabs, which of course they are not). Check the racism here on ZH, and this is probably one of the more reasoned groups of people opining on Iran these days. On the other hand, they consider themselves the greatest civilization in their part of the world, with very good reasons, and aren't about to let the West have its way with them as it has with every other state in the region. Now we have just cut off their access to capital. They know what is coming next. They are very aware of the forces being arrayed against them, and they consider themselves pretty well armed. Anyone think history is going to be different this time?
Of course they will lose militarily, just as Japan ultimately did. But in the process they might just be able to inflict a lot more damage on Western aggressors than Japan did, and the West's 'victory' is about as certain as it was in 1942 in the Pacific. I wouldn't count on a decisive turn like the Battle of Midway this time around. America's history of 'winning' wars pretty much ended with WWII regardless of our technology and firepower.
May I suggest once again, if you have not read it yet, read "War Is A Racket" by USMC Major General Smedley Butler ( find it at www.archive.org). Nothing has changed.
What drivel. Japan had raped Nanking, killed millions of Asians, attacked and conquered much of Western Asia long before we reacted by shutting off some of their raw materials.
Dude. America bad, everyone else good. Get with it. America has been a success, so losers hate America. People who think of themselves as worthless losers always think their own society is evil. They require an excuse for their personal failures.
Cry me a river of red arrows, losers.
With flawless logic like that, it's no surprise you chose to spend time trolling on a site you disagree with.
He doesn't disagree with this site, you little fag traitor. He disagrees with anti-American punks like you.
So when does denouncing unconstitutional wars of conquest (which our Founders would certainly have denounced...read Washington's Farewell Address for starters) equal being a "traitor"?
My God...that is "doublespeak" right out of 1984!
I'll be damned if that don't sound like The Donald!
You're Fired!
The above intelligent post is perhaps too intellectually nuanced for you. Let me explain:
When Americans speak critically of their government's foreign policy, they are not condemning the entirity of what constitutes "America"....they are criticizing the powerful few who have hijacked America's abilities and strength for their own greedy and corrupt purposes.
I can love America...its people, its beauty, its oftentimes generous spirit AND simultaneously denounce the criminal use of force by those in power.
US foreign policy does NOT equal "America".
And if YOUR idea of "success" is benefitting from unconstitutional wars upon other sovereign countries, then I want NOTHING to do with it!
You have no heart....and you are severely propagandized. I pity you.
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Yes, Imperial Japan was despicable in China, but there is more to the story ... from the Opium Wars and the Roosevelt family fortunes, to ...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28159
“This aggressive, “imperialist” policy – pursued ruthlessly by presidents such as Theodore Roosevelt, a cousin of FDR - had led to American control over former Spanish colonies such as Puerto Rico, Cuba, and the Philippines, and also over the hitherto independent island nation of Hawaii. America had thus also developed into a major power in the Pacific Ocean and even in the Far East.
The lands on the far shores of the Pacific Ocean played an increasingly important role as markets for American export products and as sources of cheap raw materials. But in the Depression-ridden 1930s, when the competition for markets and resources was heating up, the US faced the competition there of an aggressive rival industrial power, one that was even more needy for oil and similar raw materials, and also for markets for its finished products. That competitor was Japan, the land of the rising sun. Japan sought to realize its own imperialist ambitions in China and in resource-rich Southeast Asia and, like the US, did not hesitate to use violence in the process, for example waging ruthless war on China and carving a client state out of the northern part of that great but weak country. What bothered the United States was not that the Japanese treated their Chinese and Korean neighbors as Untermenschen, but that they turned that part of the world into what they called the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, i.e., an economic bailiwick of their very own, a “closed economy” in with there was no room for the American competition. In doing so, the Japanese actually followed the example of the US, which had earlier transformed Latin America and much of the Caribbean into Uncle Sam’s exclusive economic playground.
Corporate America was extremely frustrated at being squeezed out of the lucrative Far Eastern market by the “Japs,” a “yellow race” Americans in general had already started to despise during the 19th century. Japan was viewed as an arrogant but essentially weak upstart country, that mighty America could easily “wipe off the map in three months,” as Navy Secretary Frank Knox put it on one occasion. And so it happened that, during the 1930s and early 1940s, the US Power Elite, while mostly opposed to war against Germany, was virtually unanimously in favor of a war against Japan – unless, of course, Japan was prepared to make major concessions, such as “sharing” China with the US.”
The US in 1941 was an apartheid nation, both in law and practice.
Any suggestion that the US entered the war out of humanitarian concern for the Chinese would be FALSE.
it is important to learn about the history of japan from the time of commodore perry's visit. he brought with him a message in the form of an ultimatum that japan must open it's doors again to trade or be colonized like china. japan kicked out the west 200 years earlier because the western missionaries were annoying. tempura is actually a portuguese recipe. upon receirt of the ultimatum the japanese dismantled the feudal system in exchange for the european model of governance, culture and, most importantly, empire. they passed up the knowledge the usa might have had as they viewed the usa as a new, somewhat barbaric, uncultured society. the meiji period of japan is still considered the greatest economic boom in the history of the world. they were still virtually ignored by the west until the japanese defeated russia in the russo-japanese war(1904-5). the conquest of korea was virtually ignored(allowed) but the west again forced japan, under a threat of force to make concessions regarding their expansion in the pacific. obviously the dutch, english and usa did not want he japansese to get too ambitious so they imposed limits upon the japanese navy vis a vis western navies in the region and trade agreements with the countries of the region. northern coastal china was allowed to be a sphere of influence(colony). trade and treaty agreements also included oil from indonesia(dutch shell and bp).
in other words, the cooperation of japan with the western powers made japan a protege western type asian satellite empire until fdr needed a reason to unify the isolationist citizens of the usa in war with germany on behalf of the failing, flailing, going broke empire of great britain. it is obvious that there must have been some strategic economic reasons for usa involvement in the european war but i don't think the usa expected to be the only remaining military economic power besides russia after the war until the very end of the war.
in any case, at the time, the embargo of oil and other raw materials was an act of war that no respectable fledgling empire could ignore and so you have pearl harbor to nagasaki. the spin on ww2 was that is was the good war in a fight for freedom. it was not. it was the final battle in a rivalry of empires dating back, literally, hundreds of years which resulted in the winner(great britain) bankrupted(there was food, energy rationing for seven years after the war in britain which became a total welfare state), the arrival of a new empire in the usa and the resurgence of an old empire in russia,
so today, all you need to do is change the names of the countries, a few of the circumstances and adjust the time to historical realities and you get a bleak picture for the usa. if you don't think so, ask the brits what happened to them. . you might make some good friends and join in a few bars of "rule brittania, brittania rule the waves" and that other ditty about land of the free and home of the brave and bombs bursting in air at the pub.
Don't forget that FDR needed a reason to promote and achieve the United Nations after the League of Nations failed. After all, FDR was a globalist in his heart of hearts, as evidenced by his symbiotic relationship with "Colonel" House.
The above fact is often overlooked when people think of the war dynamics.
That would be East Asia you're referring to and yes, the Japanese military machine did what all military machines do, attacking, conquering and raping. Gruesome and terrible - not unlike what the Chinese emperors had been doing to their own people for thousands of years. Of course if you step back a few hundred years or so before Nanking you had the British doing much the same thing all across Asia, East and West, as well as the Dutch and - yes - the Americans. The Japanese were set up, just the way the Persians are being set up - so TPTB can reap ( and rape) profitably.
In 1875 the Japanese had no Navy, period. By 1900 they had the third largest Navy in the world. They built that Navy so that they could keep the imperialist Western powers out of what they considered 'their' part of the world. We didn't just cut off 'some of their raw materials' - we cut off the core of their military power - oil. They could either attack at once or mothball their entire fleet. And guess what - they attacked.
Perhaps you would benefit from a little more in-depth study of history, not to mention geography, before demonstrating that the sum total of your knowledge appears to come exclusively from TV mini-series. Drivel indeed.
LOVE "War Is a Racket"! But hate that what you say is true.
Might I suggest you read F. William Endahl's "Full Spectrum Dominance"? It compliments Butler to a T.
I'm with you...posters should save all of their racist garbage for their neo-nazi sites. We are ALL human beings....creations of God. Racist comments not only show vileness....they play right into TPTB's playbook.
Hello My Puppy - thank you for contributing reasoned intelligent commentary in the midst of this acrimony. The ignorant jingoists are to be pitied, certainly. And those who are paid disinformationists are to be condemned. Vile human beings. For those who are Christian, and I am not one of them, remember the Christ's last words - Father forgive them, they know not what they do. Many have seen these words as a comment on what the Roman soldiers were doing to him - I believe that, in the spirit of all last words ever uttered, they were the summation of all that he had to say in life. Especially those who consider themselves superior to others, and therefore fit to rule, are encompassed in these last words of one of the great prophets. Blessed be his name.
Much obiged, american spirit! I AM a Christian, and I am so ashamed of the braindead, so-called Christians parroting their "Republican" New World Order masters. I agree with what you said about Christ's last words....they may not know what they do...but also, God NEVER excuses willful ignorance. Christians, of all people, are supposed to be the most ardent seekers of truth, love, and justice. THAT is biblical. What is NOT biblical is allowing oneself to be deceived, duped, brainwashed, and propagandized by evil people. Christians are to consider themselves "the least of these", not as superior to anyone. But what constitutes the modern face of "Christianity" (a religion, not a relationship with our Creator) is a politicized abortion of what Christ intended for His followers. I am ashamed and angry at those that call themselves "Christians", yet continue in their immoral ignorance.
I don't think Christ's last words were reserved for the Romans....in fact, they were more aimed at ALL who contributed to His crucifixion and did not receive His message of hope and personal transformation, but rather considered His message and life a threat to their pre-conceived ideas and existing power structure.
The degree to which this country has been systematically and scientifically brainwashed to not think morally, logically, or independently is simply breathtaking. Most would not recognize truth or freedom if it bit them in the arse!
Peace!
+1 Ditto with american spirit. We have much in common, although I think I am not a good enough Christian as I ought to be since I hold a healthy amount of skepticism for all religious dogma whilst at the same time see the good in all of them. My background in science doesn't help matters either, but I never saw any conflicts between science and the core messages of love, forgiveness, and peace. Besides, as you rightly point out, it's a private matter between oneself and the creator.
Anyway, I always look out for your thoughtful contributions. Thanks!
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2011/12/31_...
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Jim Rickards
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on the war path, spooks un-limited, limited hanging out all over.
war mongering ongoing, war mongering for oil and fiat
furtherance. war mongering by the just. what was the word,
to justify stealing and murder? crusading. war mongering.
mind numbing media fishy war mongering. the baby, the babies
we must save the babies from fundamentals. by killing them
with war mongering. god wants them dead. the "bankers" told us.
santorum is an idiot, so what, he runs in that herd;
the god impersonating devil worshiping lap dogs of fiat slavery.
the media are idiots and paid to remain so. so what.
remain calm and let your "bankers" murder their way around the globe
for peace and personal fiat prosperity. if you object one in a hundred would
have any idea what you are concerned about.
i guess i always suspected j.r. was a empire war spook. obviously
"all" political candidates are war junkies, except one,
for the fiat pusher banks, but jim,
damn. i think we will see a rash of this ... jump to war shit....
as they come out you know they are the pimps and whores of the war
and fiat machine. mother culture drunk on petroleum and blood lust
at a distance.
they are stepping on the babies crap. the incubators were ...hrhrhr..
empty .....huhuhu. .
oh, and happy new year !
"sanctioned institutions would be frozen out of U.S. financial markets."
That sounds like it would be a postive rather than a threat.
i was thinking the same thing.
freakin' pakistan has nukes. china has nukes.
north korea. if saudi arabia wants one i'm sure they could
pay someone off. iran? who cares? nobody.
iran has oil that does not belong to the bankers markets.
that is the cause of this war talk. war to steal more
for the bankers robo markets. the machine always wins
until it doesn't. until it fails for lack of fuel, maintenance
or other wreckage.
beating a dead horse, bring it on already, sheesh!
I'm with you. Let's just get it on.
If war is deception and peace is the preparation for war then peace too is deceptive.
I want my unwarranted optimism back
I'm going to watch the NFL to see what it feels like for about 3 hours.
Surface-to-air missiles are for use against aircraft, it's surface-to-surface missiles everyone should worry about, they're the ones that explode on the ground. SAMs are for air-defence. Or shooting down passenger jets, although in the past (1998) it's been Iran who's been on the receiving end.
At this time, Worst thing US can do to any country is "be their friend"
Next up - rounding up of Americans of Iranian descendancy in camps?
I'm aware that it might sound far-fetched but if I'm reading the abovementioned quoting correctly, Obama's response to having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists, is "c'est la vie".
I'm not even going to point out the irony of the hope & change 2008 campaign here, but I'm guessing that Americans have been royaly had*, as those who control the White House incumbents, have managed to pass the entire content of their agendas hidden under the veil of a suave candidate, compared with the pool of the then and current opponents, barring Ron Paul, whose less than subtle expression of true national integrity, automatically exempts him from the club of viable puppets.
From Bush Sr. to Clinton to "Dubya" to Obama, I'm guessing that anyone who hasn't realized yet how things work, did by now, and any expectations of any sort of promising change in the current state of affairs is futile at best. People will always want to control, even when under control, and people will always want to believe in the illusion of choice, the American dream and the bliss of ignorance.
The more intelligent among the masses will still be able to survive and even succeed, but a substantial amount of knowledge is needed in order to manipulate the already corrupted system, free of any delusions of idealism.
*fucked
Regarding the bill:
Regarding Iran:
I suspect you are absolutely right Scalaris - just like every Japanese-American was a 'suspected saboteur' in WWII, even those with sons in the US Army, and were rounded up in US concentration camps and their property 'confiscated' we're going to see Iranian-Americans rounded up and put away for the duration - and the new NDAA will absolutely prevent even the most dedicated lawyers from being able to lift a finger to stop it. And of course "The Supremes" have already been briefed on how to handle any case that does manage to make it through the system. If I were an American-Iranian family I would be packing everything and getting the hell out while it is still possible. I'm afraid this train has left the station and it is going to be far, far worse than the Japanese 'internment' ever was. These folks need to keep in mind that pretty soon there will be no such thing as a 'good Iranian', even third generation thoroughly Americanized flag wavers. I am deeply ashamed of what America has become - or even worse, what we have always been while pretending otherwise.
@americanspirit
The internment camps where they "relocated" the 120000 Japanese-American citizens from 1942 to 1945, by Roosevelt's executive order 9066, while having their properties confiscated, was exactly what I had in mind.
I was actually watching a 5 hour 6-part World War II documentary last night called Apocalypse - The Second World War, covering the whole span of the war, which is comprised by a wealth of original footage taken by all participating sides. I wholeheartedly recommend it.
As for being ashamed for America's state, I suspect that it was always meant to be this way by its management or ruling class or whoever runs the place there, and it has been easier to be facilitated in the past due to the collective innocence/ignorance of its population who believed in that national idealism and love for its country, which should have been the premise of the nation's inception.
It's simply becoming obvious how things are now because more people are being exposed to non-propagandized, agenda-driven information, due to the freedom of information, made possible by the Internet and a once growing middle class.
Unfortunately, these people are still not enough.
Let me assure you...detention WILL NOT stop at Iranian-Americans!
Iranians in camps? No way, Obama loves Shia and always takes their side. He just handed Iraq to the Shia. The talk-talk against Iran is just that, talk-talk.
Obama kills Sunni and coddles Shia. Bin Laden, Gaddafi, Taliban, Iraqi insurgency, all Sunni, Obama moved militarily against each.
Hezbollah, al Sadr, Assad, Iran all Shia. Talk, no action.
And yet the House of Saud is Sunni albeit Wahabbi. Bin Laden was not Shi'a, nor was Gaddafi. Iran is Persian, not Arab - something even the Iraqi Shi'a don't forget. Pakistan has a Sunni majority but one of the largest population of Shi'a outside of Iran. Taliban are of a strict fundmentalist version of Sunni Islam - Wahabbi without oil if you will.
The Sunni-Shia debate is irrelevant in this matter as whoever seems as if runs the US, represents certain interests, and for those interests what's relevant isn't religious friction but the perpetuation of the naval dominance which ensures oil supply, which ensures the subsequent perpetuation of US dollar as a reserve currency, which ensures the continuous manufacturing of financial wealth-producing mechanisms based on a world currency status.
YOU certainly hit the nail on the head....a great micro-summary of Engdahl's book, "Full Spectrum Dominance"!
You must be Freddie's twin brother.
Or is that 'sister'...
The ultimate poison pill of Iran using nukes on their own oil fields would be an interesting ending to this game.
I wonder if that has been factored into any scenarios?
And how exactly does that move the Caliphate forward? Are they nuking the oil underground too?
Interesting that Fars News English is down today.
someone is orchestrating the total destruction
of the united states of america and it is
happening from the inside. these representatives
and political parties cannot possibly be this stupid.
there must be malice involved.
after this country defeats itself with supreme inept
and moronic policy and we find ourselves in total
defeat and in total debt then defaulting on 100 trillion
of obligations to the beneficiaries and creditors will
be ..... legitimate? and consistent with a certain honor?
no? but .. wait for it ...
the war with iran will pay for itself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
like iraq and afghanistan and tarp and bailing out aig
and the war on drugs and everything else that paid for itself
to create a 100 trillion dollar looming debt.
but.. the debts are the money supply so i guess i shouldn't
worry.
sheesh.. i felt better when i was sick and couldn't get out of bed.
. ( the army brat himself king snake )
Been Down So Long - The Doors - Bright Midnight - Live in Detroit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eulPc8wSeo
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"Lao?tse defines wisdom as "complete willingness to be the plaything of chance circumstances."".
we have no leaders or leadership capable of wisdom. 2012. the year of the
doomed.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59445614/Isha-Schwaller-de-Lubicz-The-Opening-...
"Someone"= The New World Order
pnac for starters, the tip of the poison spear designed
to kill the country from within, turning the middle class
and their children into human rats on a human rat wheel
subject to experimentation for future behaviour/mind control
technologies.
it worked. soon they will be giving each other blowjobs
in new zealand with ken lay and the real sadam hussein;
the real bin ladden is there too. their first order of
business is to destroy the economy and then lay to waste the
currency, then the flight to the hot tub in zland.
i'm working on the screen play.
Don't forget the CFR and Tavistock!
that will be a helluva movie blindman - I'm hoping for dark satire? can we get Terry Gilliam to direct???
looks like New Zealand is fighting back tho' - still more quaking, trying to shake off the. . .flees?
parasitical escapeeeeees, intentional spelling!
automatons , on script. this is what passes for
intelligence and intellect today.
empty suits
missing major aspects and characteristics
missing organs and other parts.
but on script, automatons. - leadership.
Will Obama be engaging in any "nation building" on our soil?
Silly OWS, the FEMA camps are for Iranian Nationals and Pakistani's when the baloon goes up!
This drumbeat for war with Iran has gone on longer than In-a-Gadda-da-Vida. My guess is there are too many unknown unknowns to risk the kind of dubious preemptive MO we've used to date. I suspect these dogs of war may be rabid.
Caution - may induce flashbacks: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbtw9b_iron-butterfly-in-a-gadda-da-vid...
i am with the evangelicals on this one. let's blow up israel and usher in 1000 years of peace.
I am still waiting for the news of what happened when the Iranians plugged into the USB port on the side of that drone.
Duqu baby.
If there ever was an example of biting the hand that feeds, this is it. The US will cut off financing except for oil and gas? Give me a break. China and Russia can supply Iran whatever it needs. And it certainly does not need the US.
including weapons, intelligence and even manpower.
the intent is to provoke iran, 'till they strike first, have the world turn against all arabs, give the excuse needed to retaliate against iran. since when, did a US born president, ever lose an election, during an act of war? hey! saudi arabia! guess who's next?
'Cept Iranians aren't Arabs.
Iran is too smart to start a war. Can you say, "Gulf of Tonkin".
Welcome to bat country.
+1 for Fear and Loathing
Western politicians (except maybe not "quantum doctor" Merkel) are a bunch of idiots. Oil is for Iranian leaders the lifeline. No access to oil markets, might as well go all-in and start a war. These sanction policies are beyond insane, deep end of the jungle. Colonel Walter E. Kurtz greets you, also know as "God"...
obama signed ndaa because he is a blood thirsty war mongering totalitarian neo-nazi doing the will of his paleo-nazi overlords of the rockefeller-mic-yale-cia axis of evil
speaking of the matrix.
you know the hero in that movie was
actually mr. smith. i don't think
many people appreciate that point.
of course he is defeated.
when you let "bankers" do anything more that count money
you are destroying your civilization. face it and deal with
the fact that we now let them control everything.
regarding this, as i remember,
the name max warburg? is the name
and international financing of italian public works
was the game that turned the entire
"capitalist" notion over to the
financier.
keywords: public works, international finance
late 19th century
the seed/beggining of the
dominance of (fiat) finance international.
looking for the citation, not finding.
ran into this. historical information has a shelf life
based on storage capacity and ahhhhhhhh....
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Lords of FinanceMontagu Norman on the Duchess of York, August 15, 1931
Lords of Finance
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49337638/lords-of-finance
You're looking at this the wrong way - you're assuming we have a government which has a plan, even a bad plan, for dealing with Iran. There are two course of action for rational people to take regarding Iran
1. Do absolute nothing, declare in advance that we have no problem with an Iranian nuclear force and then just deal with the geo-strategic consequences of a nuclear-armed Iran as best we can. This is, in my view, the incorrect course of action to take - a nuclear-armed Iran is a standing threat to the United States, Europe and the entire south-Asian region. It would build up a nuclear umbrella on a nation run by corrupt, cruel lunatics who have delusions of granduer. It invites a horrible war at a later date. But, it is still a rational police to pursue...maybe we don't have the force available to tackle Iran; our finances are certainly not in any shape where we'd want to start a war; the Iranian government is so hideously bad that it may be overthrown at any time and thus the Iranian people might solve our problem for us; our increasingly effective SDI makes the threat of a ballistic nuclear attack upon the United States ever less likely. This is the "cut-bait" option.
2. Steel ourselves to action - issue an ultimatum to Iran to dismantle their nuclear program under our direct, sole supervision by a date certain or face massive attacks not just on nuclear facilities, but the entire Iranian military, especially naval forces and the various goon squads which go under the name "Revolutionary Guards" (these are, after all, the muscle the Iranian government relies upon to keep the people in check...knock them about and the people will have a better shot at overthrowing the regime). This carries with it all sorts of risk, it can be very costly and it is not 100% certain to work...but it does cut through all hazards and brings thing to crystal clarity...we will fight until there is no nuclear threat from Iran. This is the "fish" option.
But what we'll actually do is Option 3:
Make threatening noises, position forces around the region, implement sanctions (which will be circumvented quite effectively by Russian and Chinese action - they like a lunatic, Islamist regime in the area to keep us from paying too much attention to, say, the South China Sea or the Caucusus) and, at the end of the day, end up looking like week-kneed fools as the Iranian thugocracy thumbs its nose at us and goes right on building nuclear capability. Then we'll have to extend a nuclear umbrella to the Gulf States while Turkey and Saudi Arabia go on a crash course nuclear program of their own to counter Iranian ambitions. The Middle East will become a nuclear-armed powder keg just waiting for someone in Tehran to decide that the 12th Imam needs a little help getting here.
There is one primary error in American thinking - we've become schooled to the belief that war is (a) always bad and (b) must always be the last option on the table. War, though, is a continuation of national policy by other means - once political means have failed (or can be demonstrated as likely to fail), then resort is made to arms...or resort is made to surrender to the threat, if an appeal to arms is either (a) not possible or (b) likely to cause more problems than it cures. Pick your poison - war or surrender; but we'll pick half-poison, instead...and likely still wind up with a war with Iran at some future date, only more protracted and costly because we neither fought nor surrendered when fighting or surrendering would have made sense.
"It would build up a nuclear umbrella on a nation run by corrupt, cruel lunatics who have delusions of granduer."
Gee.....I thought you were describing OUR leaders there for a minute! Whew....glad I kept reading! LOL
So you obviously must agree with PNAC's doctrine of "Full Spectrum Dominance". Sad...
A world dominated by the United States is a better world than if any other nation is dominant.
a united states dominated by international
bankers is a world devoid of the seminal
spirit of the "united states". it is to a head,
no pun, this duality of socio-economics.
the economic and political united creating
unintended emerging political and economic
tyranical structures from hell. the "solution"
for the eurozone is the model of the federal
united states. the solution for the federal united
states is expansion of influence and empire to
satisfy energy needs = the roman solution =
collapse. but what does the constitution have
to do with it? the spirit of the federal government
of the united states. it is just a "piece of paper"
he said. so, all in all, what is next?
for you, and maybe mr. noonan above, just in case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJHYrWo3oTY&feature=related
Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iran, Native American
America!
Well everyone's allowed a past they don't care to mention
America! America!
Bill Callaghan: America!
that guy is on to something!
reminds me of this....
Gil Scott Heron - "B" Movie (FULL VERSION)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtRHN7fsgY
oh ho! excellent!!
snippets of prophetic genius - "from producer to consumer nation" - "John Wayne was no longer available, so we settled for RayGun" - David Rockefeller; "Why wait for 1984? you can panic now and avoid the rush!"
so few will pay attention to the outsiders, who, with the privilege of being outside the norm, can see the whole far more clearly than the insiders can ever imagine. . . RIP Gil.
here's Bill doing Gil:
"Im New Here"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrAzBLaOn_Q&feature=related
and it's a completely different song in his hands - as it should be.
ahaaaa.. nice.
here where that comes from.
bonapart's retreat. and medley.
he adopted the clawhammer too. smart.
mary z. cox doing traditional
Bonaparte Medley/clawhammer banjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VqEbIdKnY
loved that one, thanks!
it's always a pleasure to watch someone play an instrument, and see the spontaneous smile arise when particular notes/strings are played - she has a contagious smile.
=}
not too late ..
Gil Scott-Heron - 'I'm New Here' (official video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV_astp3BjM&ob=av2e
You are definitely a star student of the Tavistock Institute. I bet they gave you a gold star for reciting 100% successfully each propaganda seed they have planted in the papers, textbooks, and TV "news" shows.
I am not saying this from a position of hatred for America...I LOVE my country. I simply do not love the way it has been hijacked for empire by those that insist on Full Spectrum Dominance.
How do you like the fact that the Depleted Uranium munitions we used on Iraq are causing huge increases in cancer and are directly related to skyrocketing instances of horrificly malformed and stillborn children?
If that is your idea of a "benevolent empire", then you need psychological help.
My,
I wouldn't like it at all, if that were the case. Depleted uranium muntions are armor-piercing, so unless you've been in an Iraqi tank or bunker in the past 10 years, you haven't had them fired at you. I realize that elements of our government can put out a lot of nonsense - but the people who oppose the government are usually even more guilty of nonsense. Don't believe everything you read about the Big Bad Zionist-PNC Monster.
depleted uranium munitions release their poison into the atmosphere where human beings exist - they do not select only "enemy targets" with their poison, but anyone trying to live where they've been used.
also, troops have a tendency to sit on their DU munitions boxes as they trundle about in their tank vehicles, and DU will affect their sperm, passing on to their sexual partners. . .
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/du_greatest_enviomental_horrors.htm
As to Option 1, clearly Iran poses no threat to the United States.
As to Option 2, there is nothing to be gained with Option #2 since removing a threat to the United States that doesn’t exist does not have a positive solution. And you are assuming we are going to take a risk of engaging WW III, with widespread disruption of petroleum resources and initiating decades of catastrophic relations with the people of the world, for the benefit of an ally (Israel).
As to Option 3, your “lunatic scenario,” obviously suggests you support Option 2, World War for the benefit of an ally.
JR,
I don't think you can rational argue that Iran is "no threat" - it might be a threat you consider lower than others, but to say it is "no threat" is to simply ignore reality.
I do favor the military option against Iran, but only because our past failures are rapidly limiting our options...5 years ago, Iran could have been dealt with by blowing up one oil refinery and then blockading against gasoline imports to Iran. Now, things are far more dicey...and once Iran builds and deploys a nuclear weapon, it would become prohibitively risky for us to engage in open conflict (keep in mind, of course, that if Iran detonates a test weapon in 2012, that doesn't equal "deployed"...its takes a while from first, successful test to actually having a working weapon on the battlefield). My worry is that we'll just let things drift until Iran does have a credible nuclear deterrant, and then we'll get an Iran which can dominate the entire middle east...until Turkey and Saudi Arabia build their nuclear forces.
Much better for all concerned if Iran is just stopped right now.
Excuse me, Mark. But Israel has HUNDREDS of nukes! And you think Iran would dominate?
I would like to know from where you draw your foreign policy "facts".
“and then we'll get an Iran which can dominate the entire middle east.”
Our problem here, Mark, is the Middle East nation who is not a member of the nuclear non- proliferation treaty and currently so dominates the entire M.E. that it can expand settlements into Palestinian areas at will without any repercussions.
This nation is so powerful that is has a superpower, the United States, backing its every aggressive move. That country, Israel, desperately needs to be held in check by its senior partner, the United States, or its aggressiveness alone will create a world war.
There was a time when America pretended to be “an honest broker” between Palestine and Israel; no longer. U.S. and Israeli foreign policy is identical: everything to benefit Israel, nothing to benefit its neighbors. This is a recipe for war. Your approach, to attack a sovereign country now with no more reason than Israel wants it, is immoral, unjust, and dangerous.
Mark, where is the America of freedom and justice and whence came this America of murder, of war, of oppression, of world government?
For in the end, Mark, Americans will fare no better than Palestinians under universal Israeli dominance.
JR,
Israel is a democracy, Iran is not. As an American I am incapable of considering the actions of the Iranian government to be in any way, shape or form legitimate. Until they have free and fair multi-party elections, they are just a gang of thugs to be held off or destroyed, as circumstances allow...and they should be prevented from obtaining nuclear weapons, period.
So, Mark, before they do anything go kill them, and if they say anything, kill 'em. And while you're killing your "gang of thugs," you'll be butchering hundreds of thousands of innocent villagers - men, women and little children. By your support, you've done it before and you'll do it again.
That's murder!
Mark, are we back to the John Bolton “kill, kill, kill” mode that if the U.S. or Israel doesn’t bomb Iran within the week or two, it will be too late? Can you imagine Thomas Jefferson, Adlai Stevenson or Daniel Patrick Moynihan traveling around saying if we don’t bomb someone within the week it will be too late?
The pro-Israel viewpoint is the war party mantra. The American people and those targeted in the Middle East will pay for this insanity with their lives, inflation and possible economic collapse.
And they’ll be going it virtually alone; the U.S. does not have the support of the rest of the world for a staged war against Iran.
Mark's comments reflect the way Dick Cheney thinks about war too. It's neocon ideology 101.
As an American I am incapable of considering the actions of the American government to be in any way, shape or form legitimate. Until they have free and fair multi-party elections, they are just a gang of thugs to be held off or destroyed, as circumstances allow.
Funny how er, 'analogous' the ZOG troll population here is to the bear raids on the PMs....always thickest in the thinnest of markets. And it's always the biggest Klowns that get sent in for the holiday schedule. That's the dual-citizens for ya - too cheap to hire subs who can even read a script!
Are you related to Peggy Noonan? lol