Iran Military Practicing Straits Of Hormuz Closure

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Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:02 | 1969542 gojam
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Practice makes perfect.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:04 | 1969548 Schmuck Raker
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I expect Iran to be the exception that proves the rule.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:26 | 1969616 Oh regional Indian
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Why schmuck? You think they'll be less than perfect?

I think the drone down incident is giong to be a tell/sign when the final story on this ugly chapter on human life is finally written.

And the thing that few understand is the US wars CAN NEVER END. Bringing home the post Vienam PTSD'ed vets was all one needs to remember about bringing uniformed killers "home" and then disarming them.



Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:06 | 1969730 JW n FL
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I guess you think China is as well a threat to the Unites States?

or maybe India's Navy is a threat?

what color is the sky in your world?

you can not! even grasp the scope and scale of the destruction that can be brought forth on a moment’s notice. you dont want to, you want to be blind so you can run around spewing shit all over everyone waving your arms above your head..

i promise that your entertaining the crowd does nothing to deter the greatest force the world has ever known.

iran, could team up with china, india, brazil and the russians.. and it still would not take more than 30 days..

but these wars are a distraction.. a way to kill off the brave.. brain washing intelligent people.. to keep their focus on other things.. than the FACTS at home.

you are in a 3rd world country.. living a 3rd world lifestyle.. enjoying a river of American dollars being poured into your shit hole of a country for a decade tax free.. which gave you the ability to be online now.. you fucking monkey, you are one internet connection from being back in the forest with baboo the bear.. fucking jungle boy and dont you forget it..

china didnt drag your people out of the jungles..

iran may provide you with some of your energy but not all!

so you would do well to remind your ignorant self who allows you to have a real life.. and who would be happier to see you back ignorant and in the jungle.

and if at any time you think the USA is the bad guy in your life.. I want you to pinch yourself.. you are dreaming.


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:10 | 1969754 tarsubil
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Everyone likes pointing at the other guy. He's the bad guy so I must be good. He's pointing at you and it turns out you are both half right.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:12 | 1970265 JW n FL
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Uploaded by on Sep 12, 2011 -------------- 16 US NAVY SHIPS IN THE BOTTOM OF THE PERSIAN GULF

"During the summer of 2002, in the run-up to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, the US military staged the most elaborate and expensive war games ever conceived. Operation Millennium Challenge, as it was called, cost some $250 million, and required two years of planning ... it was set in the Persian Gulf, and simulated a conflict with a hypothetical rogue state. The "war" involved heavy use of computers, and was also played out in the field by 13,500 US troops, at 17 different locations and 9 live-force training sites. All of the services participated under a single joint command, known as JOINTFOR. The US forces were designated as 'Force Blue', and the enemy as OPFOR, or 'Force Red'. The 'war' lasted three weeks and ended with the overthrow of the dictatorial regime on August 15."

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:15 | 1970272 JW n FL
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Tanker Wars 1984-1988 : 25 Years of Direct US Military Intervention in Iraq Begins

The War in Iraq started during the Iran-Contra era, 9/11 was used as pretext to finish it because Saddams sanctions were about to end. Part of the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's the Tanker War attracted much international interest and US intervention. With Iran blocking Iraqi exports of oil via the Shatt-al-Arab waterway the war against Iran was turning against the Iraqis. Syria closed Iraq's pipeline to the Mediterranean and it looked like economics would straggle the Iraqi war effort. Despite the unpopularity of Iraqs government the other Arab states feared the fundamentalism of Iran much more and came to Iraqs rescue. Jordan opened Aqaba to Iraqi imports (mainly weapons) and new pipelines were constructed across the desert to the Red Sea and to Turkey. Iraqi exports went through Kuwait also and the Arab states also directly funded Iraq to the sum of about $60 billion.
The Tanker War started properly in 1984 when Iraq attacked Iranian tankers and the vital oil terminal at Kharg island. Iran struck back by attacking tankers carrying Iraqi oil from Kuwait and then any tanker of the Gulf states supporting Iraq. The air and small boat attacks did very little to damage the economies of either country and the price of oil was never seriously affected as Iran just moved it's shipping port to Larak Island in the straights of Hormuz.

In 1987 Kuwait persuaded the US to offer protection to its tanker fleet dragging the USA directly into the war. US warships soon began patrolling the gulf and on 17th May 1987 an Iraqi super-Etendard aircraft fired two exocet missiles at the USS Stark thinking she was an Iranian warship. Embarrassingly for the Americans the Stark's defences did not function and 37 US sailors died. Iraq apologised for the incident and this was accepted. To ensure a repeat of the incident didn't happen again US, Iraqi and Saudi forces collaborated . Iran with some justification accused the US of helping Iraq and this was not helped when on 3rd July 1988 an American warship shot down and Iranian airliner in error. Iran then started sowing the Gulf with anti ship mines and several ships were hit, including the USS Samuel B. Roberts in April 1988. Once again the US retaliated by destroying Iranian warships and patrol boats further demonstrating to the Gulf states the American support of Iraq, embittering Iran, and illustrating how vulnerable military and civilian shipping is to attack in the Persian Gulf.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:17 | 1970283 JW n FL
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??????? ????????? USS Stark ??? 1987?

maybe the fucking Navy will stop worrying about thier pretty white pants and concern themselves with the job at hand, this time?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:20 | 1970301 JW n FL
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Iran's Revolutionary Guards test fired missiles during War Games - 25 April 2010

Uploaded by on Apr 25, 2010

Reuters report 25 April 2010

Iran said the purpose with the War Games is to show the countries naval strenght and its capability to close the Strait of Hormuz if attacked.

The strait at its narrowest is 54 kilometres wide.

It is the only sea passage to the open ocean for large areas of the petroleum-exporting Persian Gulf.

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, an average of about 15 tankers carrying 16.5 to 17 million barrels of crude oil normally pass through the strait every day, making it one of the world's most strategically important choke points.

This represents 40% of the world's seaborne oil shipments, and 20% of all world shipments.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:24 | 1970619 Triggernometry
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Don't forget Syria just unveiled an anti-ship missile.  It would seem prudent to expect significant sharing of military capabilities between Iran and Syria.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 18:31 | 1985230 HungrySeagull
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We have advaced beyond the Gatling gun point defense and rail mounted reload Air to air systems of those days.


The spin airframe RAM missiles should do a good job of countering the antiship missiles at a great enough distance to keep the warship from being shredded with shrap.


I am more concerned with the newer Russian systems such as the Onyx or the Sapphire. Those things are damn fast. Wonder if it is somewhat faster than the onboard/networked data center in Battle Center can handle in real time.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:44 | 1970717 Harlequin001
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You have not the first fucking clue what your military is capable of, or not.

That much is clear.

'you can not! even grasp the scope and scale of the destruction that can be brought forth on a moment’s notice.' er yes we can and clearly you can't. Perhaps you have forgotten that despite your huge military spending you needed RAF Tornado Fighter bombers to do your low level bombing in Iraq and Kuwait, because your air force wasn't capable.

You and your ilk need to wise up and stop watching transformers. Your military is capable of firing missiles and nothing else. You can do nothing without specialist help from those other Europeans that are far better trained and have considerably more experience in the art of war than you do. You should understand that other countries have missiles too, and that any act of provocation against these will see you annihilated in a fight you can't possibly win. You can't win.

and this was a stunner.

'china didnt drag your people out of the jungles..'

Assuming that ORI is actually an Indian, are you inferring that it is was the US that dragged India from the Jungle. You really would need to be an uneducated shit head to believe that. India was civilised long before the US even existed

it's twats like you spouting this kind of bullshit that put my children at risk... Do us all a a favour and STFU.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:58 | 1970775 JW n FL
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England enslaved.. India...

America provided capital to India.. (it is the first thing that poped up.. but the list is so very long, this will just have to do.)

as for your tornado's? you can keep them (all 142 of them) and your 1,000% debt to GDP..

I will suffer along with my A-10's and Apache's for close air support just fine, Thank You Very Much!


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 14:16 | 1970874 Harlequin001
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You do that, and we'll watch intently how you get on...

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 02:05 | 1972926 Mauibrad
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How do they "practice" that?  Sounds more like a bluff to me to rattle the markets, and so far it hasn't.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:19 | 1970598 TheFourthStooge-ing
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JW n FL noted:

The 'war' lasted three weeks and ended with the overthrow of the dictatorial regime on August 15.

Sorry, JW, I'm going to have to disagree on this one. The "war" ended with the overthrow of the dictatorial regime only after the sunken fifth fleet was magically refloated.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:41 | 1970705 JW n FL
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That was pasted from the video information.. not my stuff.. I should have put it " ... "'s

Sorry about the confusion.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 21:18 | 1972264 thewhitelion
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I think the current game in Afganistan cost more than that.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:21 | 1969803 goldenrod
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You forgot to take your medication today racist boy.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:11 | 1970254 JW n FL
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The personal attack does not change any of the facts.

You ignorant fucking sheep who don’t have the comprehensive capability to grasp a children’s puzzle should not be allowed to speak when grown ups are talking.


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:55 | 1970462 goldenrod
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Funny that you should accuse others of making personal attacks so soon after your racist diatribe.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:37 | 1970603 JW n FL
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The Jungle Book is Racist?

do you feel like you are reaching?

you must be one of those pissed off Talmud people spinning.. and let me tell you, the work so far that you have accomplished is note worthy.. so much so lets hope that it makes it into at least some history books.. so future generations do not have to EVER suffer the spinning again!

the guilt.. O me.. O my! what will I do.. I can barely walk under the weight of the guilt..


anything but the facts..

so India.. has bathed in U.S. Dollars (for longer than a Decade) and built the Country from this Tax (India Tax) Free River of Capital.

it is a Fact.

India.. has enjoyed the support of the United States, in FULL!

Economic Relations

The United States is also one of India's largest direct investors. From 1991 to 2004, the stock of FDI inflow has increased from USD $11.3 million to $344.4 million, totaling $4.13 billion. This is a compound rate increase of 57.5% annually. Indian direct investments abroad were started in 1992. Indian corporations and registered partnership firms are allowed to invest in businesses up to 100% of their net worth. India's largest outgoing investments are manufacturing, which account for 54.8% of the country's foreign investments. The second largest are non-financial services (software development), which accounts for 35.4% of investments.


so.. the Facts are.. the United States Dragged India out of the Jungle Book.. thru the use of U.S. Dollars.


as for Russia.. wanting problems in the MID-EAST.. as the World 2nd Largest Oil Producer? Russia can only benefit from any instability in the region.

and Iran.. who fought with Iraq for the better part of a decade.. is NO! threat to the United States.. we just need Irans Oil.


So, Spin that Mr. Talmud!

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:25 | 1970633 JOYFUL
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Amazing. You just made one of the most over the top personal attacks ever dumped onto this site, and then follow it up with a rabid snarl at everybody and anybody reading this thread. And you're oblivious to it all. 

Totally over the line bud.  You need to find some other outlet for your frustrations.  Nobody is here on your sufferance, nor needs suffer your distemper. I hope you find it in yourself to apologize.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:43 | 1970718 JW n FL
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which part was extremely racist? and over the top, for you?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 07:00 | 1973124 JOYFUL
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where did you read the word racist in what I wrote? I'll save you a moment. You didn't(but please check anyways-if I wanted to call you a racist, I would have). You made it up to suit your answer to my critique.

Maybe you are feeling a bit of contrition about your screed !?!

As to your second question:

you are in a 3rd world country.. living a 3rd world lifestyle.. enjoying a river of American dollars being poured into your shit hole of a country for a decade tax free.. which gave you the ability to be online now.. you fucking monkey, you are one internet connection from being back in the forest with baboo the bear.. fucking jungle boy and dont you forget it..

china didnt drag your people out of the jungles..

iran may provide you with some of your energy but not all!

so you would do well to remind your ignorant self who allows you to have a real life.. and who would be happier to see you back ignorant and in the jungle.

in it's entirety.  Unmitigated bullshit.  Sorry, before I went to great pains to be polite.  The intentional misquoting of my response and a rereading of just how pathetic was your orignial diatribe requires that I drop that and just say that if the pathetic loser narcissist creator of that quote is in any way indicative of how Amerikans are looking out at the world right now, you haven't a chance in hell of even going to war, let allow winning one. 

A successful sold?er has always been he who respects h?s "enemy" - at this point, I doubt you even respect yourself, let alone anyone else. 

Carry on screaming.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:51 | 1971732 tarsubil
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I don't always agree with JW n FL but he makes this site fun. And that is what this place is all about.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 22:35 | 1972515 JW n FL
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Thanks for remembering this is "FIGHT CLUB"!!

it is NOT!! Politically Correct, Regurgitate Corporate News Meme's Land!


Tue, 12/13/2011 - 00:46 | 1972795 thefatasswilly
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Tue, 12/13/2011 - 07:05 | 1973128 JOYFUL
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and just in case you still don't get it, I didn't tag you out for 'political correctness' deficit, I don't play that're out for slagging somebody about where they live, rather than for the ideas they express.  Your defense in inadmissable.  You totally lost it and need to man up and admit it.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:26 | 1969824 Oh regional Indian
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Hmmmmmm................. won't join you in the name calling barrel bottom you so clearly dwell in JW.

Your wake up call as to your manifest destiny superiority is going to be hard on you I think.


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:17 | 1970007 Iwanttoknow
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ORI,He is the chosen people.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:39 | 1969878 quintago
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Many here are missing the point. If and once war breaks out no insurance carrier will provide coverage for any transporting carrier in the region. That alone will drive things crazy.

They also have a large coastline. They can keep things off and invisible to radar until the last second when they spot a ship to target. You can see across the strait from Iran to the UAE and everything which floats in between.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:12 | 1970263 CrazyCooter
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Yup, I read somewhere there is a large volume of torpedos in Iran ... land based torpedos. They basically put high speed propulsion on them, they are fast and noisy as hell. The navy will see them as soon as they launch, but if the sheer volume of simultaneous launches is the advantage, as only so many can be neutralized.

If the US Navy sails into those straights, I will be both very shocked and clearly ill informed. Land based torpedos are going to have range issues, so one would want to stay far enough at sea to keep launches limited to other vessels only. The shores would have to have been secured by boots on the ground, for many miles of shore line, to prevent this sort of thing.

Further, they could sink the oil carriers if they wanted to go that route, so either way, they can shut it off until such a time as they no longer exist or change their minds. I believe that was recently discussed as the "oil armageddon" scenario not long ago on ZH in a publication from PIMCO.



Thu, 12/15/2011 - 18:37 | 1985249 HungrySeagull
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Well there is some merit in that.

Long ago I had to play a game on Commodore that used a Ageis system on a warship to deal with a saturation attack of dozens upon dozens of missiles.


I finally just learned to target the missiles against my ship and that of the carrier and allow the rest of the task force to target accordingly. 100 missiles is not enough for air defense. In those days the Tomcats with the Phoenix was in use as well. Hopefully catching the USSR bombers before they launched.

What good is a well managed barcap and vampire trap when the computer positions a Carrier killing Sub with cruise missiles launching behind your carrier presumely on a safe axis away from the threat.

In real life training or actual experience involving life or death in the past, I know that the human is capable of processing three to 6 issues at a order of priority. It is the one extra oh shit pop up that breaks the camel's back.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:48 | 1969906 tmosley
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lol, you think that because the US has had some marginal military successes in third world countries that they can take on world powers on their home turf no problem.

I climbed three flights of stairs to get to my office when the elevator was too slow, I guess I'm ready to climb Mt. Reineer.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:09 | 1970243 JW n FL
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I think that you are talking about occupying..

I am talking about destroying the military capability(s) of.

So.. lets understand that occupying is a distraction, a long term fix.. too keep attention away from whatever else is going on..

verse.. cutting the balls off of a Country.

I would have expected better from you, honestly. but band wagons are fun to ride on!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:17 | 1970284 CrazyCooter
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Not to get in the middle here ... but ...

I often try to explain to people that the job of the US Military is two fold; (1) kill people and (2) blow shit up. Those who serve either train to do this, or support those who train to do this.

They usually make a funny face.

That is all the military does. This occupation crap is a misuse of the military.

So, if the US wanted to level Iran, it could easily do so. However, given that Iran produces so much oil, and lets all agree this is about oil, this wouldn't really solve a lot of problems as this production would be offline, potentially for years.

I don't even want to contemplate invading and occupying Iran. I would rather junk my car and ride a horse to work; it would make more sense.



Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:35 | 1970669 El Viejo
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Maybe you own a little gold and silver and you think you are protected from WW III.

Avoid the rush. Start a trend. Start early. Go ahead and buy a horse.

Nobody, that I know of is suggesting occupying Iran. However, Israel WILL most definitely attack and destroy the nuclear capability of Iran just like they did with Iraq.  And it will happen before next July. Get used to the idea because it is coming.

It would be nice for the US to have a little intelligence on the intentions and capabilities of Iran, but that will not happen.

Hope you have a bomb shelter.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 00:52 | 1972808 thefatasswilly
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I don't doubt the USA's complete military superiority, but the thing is, it is very, very expensive in terms of real resources (oil) for the military to operate on literally, the other side of the world.

America will do what is has always done: sit back while the Eurasian powers duke it out, then sail in on the side of "justice" after a few years of feigned neurality. Obviously, such a strategy guaranteed its victory twice, but will it again?

Think big, man. Who has all the oil? Even assuming complete NATO naval superiority, tankers are going down by the dozen in an all out war (and that's assuming ME countries even continue to sell us oil). The ocean is a huge fucking place.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:43 | 1970402 natty light
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Wouldn't it take just one tanker or transport ship being damage to set off pandemonium in the world oil markets?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 18:38 | 1985263 HungrySeagull
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If we fight a proper Nation to nation like USSR for example... there is going to be alot of hurt on both sides.


Much more so than these little piddling squabbles in the dirt of third world nations overseas.


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:02 | 1969951 El Viejo
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If Iran is this agressive without a nuclear weapon imagine how they will be WITH one. Cue Israel with live TV coverage please this time.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:14 | 1969995 Optimusprime
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Yeah, it is really aggressive to let people know you will defend yourself from attack.  A blind man should be able to see who the aggressors are in this situation, and who ALREADY has nukes!  The US has already used them, and the Israelis refuse all inspections, indeed all contact with the IAEA, which currently under US/Israeli domination is pointing fingers at Iran.


Wake up, doofus.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:06 | 1970522 El Viejo
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What attack, An unarmed drone that automatically landed when it's GPS signal was jammed by Russian supplied equipment??? 

Are you saying we should turn a blind eye to Iran? I say we should KNOW what they are up to before it's too late.

Last time I checked, their OFFICIAL line is: We will obliterate Israel! We will cause harm to the entire world!

And they HAVE attacked Israel (the only democracy in the region) through any proxy pit bull they can find.

And they do it on almost a daily basis.

Oh I see you are saying we should ignore it until real damage is done and then respond with WW III.  It's plain to see who the dufus is.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:24 | 1970618 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You do know that you can't believe everything you see on television, don't you?


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:37 | 1970686 El Viejo
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You don't know me at all. You have no clue what I know.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 17:46 | 1971715 tarsubil
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Nah, I think we all know that you know nothing at this point. Don't worry about it.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:43 | 1970392 FeralSerf
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How can you be so sure Iran hasn't bought some nukes from someone else?  It appears that Israel bought their first ones -- maybe through official channels, but they go bang nonetheless -- in the U.S.  With enough money, and Iran has money, just about anything can be bought somewhere.  And there are nuclear states that need money.

Mutual Assured Distruction works both ways.  Israel is a small country.  Does America really want to get into a possibly nuclear slugfest in the Middle East?  I hope not!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 14:01 | 1970812 JW n FL
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with the MID-East off line..

Russia is the ONLY Large Scale Oil Game in Town!


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 14:22 | 1970910 DionysusDevotee
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Ding Ding! We have a winner! 

Recent report reveals that China has 3000 nuclear warheads not 400 as previously thought.  Also a "vast array of tunnels located strategically along borders."

The Iranian nuclear program is likely no more than a smokescreen to save appearances.   Cause China would NEVER, no NEVER sell a couple nukes to "An attack on them is an attack on China" Iran.  And, besides, if China DID sell say, 100 nukes to Iran; We would totally know about it.  Just like we were off on how many nukes China had, by 2500+

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