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Iran Military Shoots Down US Drone, Threatens Response
From PressTV:
A senior Iranian military official says Iran's Army has shot down a remote-controlled reconnaissance drone operated by the US military in the eastern part of the country.
The informed source said on Sunday that Iran Army's electronic warfare unit successfully targeted the American-built RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft after it crossed into Iranian airspace over the border with neighboring Afghanistan.
He added that the US reconnaissance drone has been seized with minimum damage.
The RQ-170 is a stealth unmanned aircraft designed and developed by Lockheed Martin Company.
The US military and the CIA use the drone to launch missile strikes in Afghanistan and in Pakistan's northwestern tribal region.
The unnamed Iranian military official further added that “due to the clear border violation, the operational and electronic measures taken by the Islamic Republic of Iran's Armed Forces against invading aircraft will not remain limited to the Iran's borders.
The report comes as the United States has beefed up its military presence in and around the Persian Gulf region in recent months in the wake of popular uprising in Bahrain.
The US Department of Defense says Washington is closely monitoring the developments in Bahrain, which is the headquarters of the US Navy's Fifth Fleet and holds some 4,200 US service members.
From Reuters:
Iran's military said on Sunday it had shot down a U.S. reconnaissance drone aircraft in eastern Iran, a military source told state television.
"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted the unnamed source as saying.
"The spy drone, which has been downed with little damage, was seized by the Iranian armed forces."
Iran shot down the drone at a time when it is trying to contain foreign reaction to the storming of the British embassy in Tehran on Tuesday, shortly after London announced that it would impose sanctions on Iran's central bank in connection with Iran's controversial nuclear enrichment programme.
Britain evacuated its diplomatic staff from Iran and expelled Iranian diplomats in London in retaliation, and several other EU members recalled their ambassadors from Tehran.
The attack dragged Iran's relations with Europe to a long-time low.
Washington and EU countries have been discussing measures to restrict Iran's oil exports since the United Nations nuclear watchdog issued a report in November with what it said was evidence that Tehran had worked on designing an atom bomb.
And from AP:
Iran's semiofficial Fars news agency says the country's armed forces have shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that violated Iranian airspace along its eastern border.
The report says the plane was an RQ170 type drone and is now in the possession of Iran's armed forces. The Fars news agency is close to the powerful Revolutionary Guard.
Iran is locked in a dispute with the U.S. and its allies over Tehran's disputed nuclear program, which the West believes is aimed at the development of nuclear weapons. Iran denies the accusations, saying its nuclear program is entirely peaceful.
It appears Iran plans to retaliate:
Iran's response to the downed U.S. drone's violation of its airspace will not be limited to the country's borders, a military source told state television.
"The Iranian military's response to the American spy drone's violation of our airspace will not be limited to Iran's borders any more," Iran's Arabic language Al Alam television quoted the military source as saying, without giving details.
Iran said in July it had shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane over the holy city of Qom, near its Fordu nuclear site.
As a reminder from Stratfor, here is how the US navy was deployed most recently as of Wednesday. Looks like life for the Stennis boys is about to get exciting.
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They're trying to fly the tank.
Rather odd that something so highly top secret would not have a self destruct mechanism.
Absolutely. The government isnt even highly top secret and it has a self destruct mechanism ;p
More like a fatal self destructive flaw.
Good point but for all we know they landed the fucking thing at an airport. The only truth to be counted on so far is that a script is unfolding and that war is in the story. Both regimes lie and it's not unfathomable that they could in fact even be cooperating. After all it's only the sheep that die in war and the globalist may be feeling the need to cull the herd as it becomes increasingly problematic to tend.
It probably ran out of gas. Couldn't get fuel ya know, the Paks got the border crossings shut down.
Maybe they're just waiting for the Republican Guard to push the right button.
(Akmed) Lets push the green one.
(Ali) No no the pretty red one ;-)
... SA, ..., SS, NKVD, ..., "a Civilian Defense Force that is as well armed as the Military" - Ned
they might have a red button, but being remote controlled as they are it could have malfunctioned and not destroyed the drone. remember the reports that some of these drones were subject to interference, viruses and all sorts of other issues? without somebody there to actually push the button there is no guarantee it will actually do what it was designed to.
remember blow out preventers (BOP) were supposed to be the infallible last line of defense against a deep sea oil rig disaster? well, we all know how that worked out...
To have such a self destruct mechanism would add too much weight, besides a lucky hit by AA fire may render it inert. What the sensitive firmware/software probably has is security to erase non-volatile memory and firmware in case of attempts to reverse engineer. We do this to protect our IP (algorithms, and signal processing) especially with our systems going to China/Russia.
Just wait untl Iran drags out gary Powers. But from what I heard, WW3 did not break out from that either.
Electronic warfare jams possible detonate signal?
Seems to me that one of the readers posted yesterday on Geo. Washington's article that there was somme Jewish guy involved in 9-11 that had a company that was capable of seizing control of a plane even if it was already in the air!! realize the guy being Jewish and we are talking about Iran doesn't seem to match up, but in todays world who knows what is going on. Milestones
Dov Zakheim, chief bagman for the PTB, if I remember my 9/11 studies accurately.
right now it is worming it's way into the entire Iran defence system. These things do not get caught or shot down and they do have a self destruct if needed but .....not needed if the mission is cyber-war.
WB7: no way of knowing if there is any self-immolation available for the puppy, no way of knowing why it came down: a) mechanical, b) "Golden-BeeBee", c) SAM (have to be a -2 or modern, nothing smaller, since they'd fly at least 15k AGL and if sniffing would be higher, d) a fighter (F-5 or so would do), or e) others, including into Art Bell ZONE.
Self-immolation of a carbon-carbon UAV has your meme in near prox. Poor veggie seller couldn't sell veggies and, well, he showed them ...
Does Iran have search and guidance/vectoring radars? Could this be a "Polish Minesweeper"?
I am surprised that this forum would take statements from <who?> and extend them to the realm of "possibly close to general facts" or in some's perspective "<so-and-so> is totally responsible for this situation".
- Ned
2011 equivilant of Gary Powers?
Yes, they are giving the plane back after the Chinese have gone over it, but are holding the computer chip hostage.
but are holding the computer chip hostage.
Why?, it's Chinese made.
I was thinking of the mid-air collision of the Chinese F8 and our EP-3 back in 01 where it needed to make an emergency landing on Chinese soil. I also remember it being returned in pieces. http://articles.cnn.com/2001-04-01/us/us.china.plane.02_1_spy-plane-chin...
BTW although FARS isn't carrying this story yet here's the link to their website http://english.farsnews.com/NewsV.php?news=all
This really doesn't feel like a Bud Light moment.
Got brent?
Everybody needs to rewatch the movie "The Day After" 1983 ... then you'll wake the fuck up how idiot these war mongers are.
so two reported explosions at two separate Iranian military facilities and now (if true) a drone gets shot down violating their airspace...hmmm.
perhaps their is a connection between these events?
According to the STRATFOR map, the Carl Vinson is also heading for the 5th fleet area of operations (middle-east)... and they already have the Stennis there... And the GHWBush is nearby if needed.
3 aircraft carriers in the middle-east... yeah last time there was war.
Four, the Lincoln is leaving for the middle east on Wednesday. Also, as of tomorrow the Nimitz will be finished with it's one year rehab in Bremerton and available to head out. If the Reagan leaves SD, or the Eisenhower, or Big E leaves Norfolk, well no more wondering.
Finally, Armageddon.
Is it just me? Why do these things seem to happen on the weekend when markets are closed? Our satellite pictures are probably better than a RQ-170 pictures. Only advantage might be thermal images.
Maybe they are spraying fertilizer on poppy fields.
I don't think they are taking pictures......
Must be a conspiracy.
Satellites don't have the possibility of being shot down over Iran. See, you have to manufacture a pretext. Hard to do that if you're just using satellite images.
Game time!
Watch $220 oil.
Personally I am thinking $300-500
Saudia will tap some extra crude. Problem solved. Always the same. System keeps going. Just like the $$ and the euro.
That will work until Russia and Iran think sending guns and ammo to the protestors in Bahrain and Saudi is a good idea.
Go long glass futures.
Ominous.
bullish for oil, and military complex BTFD
"There will be Blood." Watch it. Based on Harry F. Sinclair Sinclair Oil Corporation
Where the hell do you think WW2 started? Tunisia North Africa Middle East. Oil.
Great movie.
Evidently I've been living under the illusion it started when Hitler invaded Poland.
iran should prove they have the a-bomb, and nuke congress, and the white house, and those bilderbergers! a joyful day it would be!
Nobody need's to nuke nobody, that would be a joyful day.
Hey, EVERY day be a JOYFUL day, long as we remember: We all in the same boat, livin in this world with just one hope.... Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. etc., ...let us be done with the traitors amongst us....the past will be just a bad nightmare, which morning's light will cast aside, along with the myriad 'dual citizens' who had blocked the sun from shining full upon our faces!
CONSTITUTIONAL COUP D'ETAT. NOW!
Well get the popcorn! Now on top of nukes, Iran has stealth drones! haha
How did they ever detect our top secret stealth spy aircraft?
http://brandviews.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/56715822.jpg
they looked up...
All the girls have been all over me lately about "who the Stennis boys are." I told 'em "i'm workin' on it! on workin' on it!"
Much noise for nothing. It is common practice for countries to shut down unmanned vehicles and even manned airplanes which were not allowed by standard procedure to enter frontiers. Hell, Pakistan and China have probably shot down dozens of American airplanes over the last decade.
Given that airplanes are equipped with parachutes, the pilots have time to jump.
Certainly not a casus belli, although I would like as much as you to see Iran wiped off from the planisphere.
Peak-oilers and doomers worldwide will have to find something else to keep their erection going on. The world is not going to end tomorrow, sorry.
Vomit...
It's Hamy the Wanker.
Much as we always luved yu Hamy, as a kind of court jester, motley fool, whatever, ....yu always knew when to draw the line before....this puttin words in my mouth thing, HOWEVER, is jist not cool, nor the cheesy latin quotations...
Yu done, son. M$Bonus is now our official "holy fool" n there's only one allowed. Please notify us at yur earliest convenience which of the 7 realms of hell you would like to be placed in...we'll do our darndest to intercede with the pointy-tailed one on yur behalf! (no, f*$& up, there is no internet access in any of them 7 realms!)
the machines are fighting, the machines are coming.
soul less machines at war.
Machines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDUFaRiUwsk
Robot with a rat brain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0eZytv6Qk
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that is a very insightful video, machines!
Lockheed stealth drone gets shot down but recovered in good condition. Not positive for LMT
, but bullish for China.
Next time, at least strap Barney Fwank or Chris Dodd in the fucking passenger seat when you deliberately fly the Drone into Iran!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/03/children-of-welfare-incur...
California Counties Required to go After Minors For Parent's Debt
Bunch of sickos...
We are all children paying for the mistakes of beaurocrats.
that's just sad, pathetic, despotic desperation by a state that can do nothing more than try to rape young poor people, minors even, in an attempt to avoid sliding off into the abyss.
FUBAR
I read the article and felt bad for the kid. Not fair. But there is a price for receiving benefits from the evil emprire, they get your hooks into you (parents). Parents shoudl think twice about receiving benefits, it can put your kids at risk.
Fedgovmen Sachs vs Iran
I hope Iran with the help of China and Russia can give Fedgovmen Sachs a bloody nose on the battlefield.
I fly rc planes, and I can tell you mine crash all the time LOL.
Looks like thier asking for some freedom!
As F....up as the USA is, and all its money printing, global F..ups, occupy wall street suppression, F...up red state blue state politics, corrupt wall street silver gold suppression, I have to say this...
Fuck You Iran!!....
I don't hate the ordinary Iranians, but I'm terrified of their religious fanatics. (I've read enough history to hate religious fanaticism of every religion. It's either convert or die, if you're lucky, otherwise it's just die.) Have you read anything about their 8 year war with Iraq? They used hundreds or more school age boys to clear the mine fields Saddam laid along the border. But they trained the children by brainwashing them into believing they were to become martyrs for Ali, the son-in-law of Muhammad and the only Caliph the Shiites recognize, who would be riding ahead of them on a white horse. They cleared the minefields with their bodies. There are hugh cemetaries in Iran where their remains are buried. I followed the failed Green Revolution on the internet as closely as I could. The crack down was excruciating. The young people were brutally tortured in prison. Rape of both men and women was a major part of torture because a person who has had sex and is unmarried is forbidden to enter Paradise. Of course they used all kinds of objects to rape them with. There were pictures of brutally beaten victims. And a cell phone captured pictures of one young man committing sucide in the presence of his father because the tortures he endured in prison made life unendurable for him. The Iranian theocracy is a brutal regime. The Shah was hated especially for his secret police, but the surpression and brutality was not nearly to the degree as it presently exists. I have seen pictures of young men who were hung because of homosexuality, and pictures of women being stoned to death because they were alleged to have committed adultry. It is necessary to have four male witnesses testify to the innocence of the alleged adulterer in order to prove innocence, according to religious law. There is hardly any way to escape from the tedium and monotony of life in Iran. Many young people have turned to heroin from Afganistan to escape the bordom of their lives. Of course, drug smuggling is punished with death. I can't possibly hate these suffering people. But I can't help them either.
Comrades, we need cheap Iranian oil for our gas thirsty SUVs.
100% gain in the intrade contract. http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=750354
Perhaps they will beat up some more dissidents and imprison some more protestors.
kinda like the NYPD
$110 oil this week and climbing! The rising oil price will put massive presure on any of Tny Tim and Bernank's hope of a rising GDP! Another war, of course, will help GDP growth but it will force The Bernank to print more....nothing like another war (possilbly WW3), rising inflation and rising oil prices for the US consumer who is already on the ropes!
I've got it, let's destroy their nuclear power plants so they have to use more oil, and prevent them from selling that oil so the price can go higher, lots higher.. Then we'll set up a no fly zone and bomb their infrastructure until millions of women and children die of the cold and hunger, until they see the f%^&g light and demand regime change!!! Then we can occupy them for ten years and leave it all to sectarian violence.
How my foreign policy daddy?
you know. i believe we can find you a nice job in our zog controlled gulag amerikan government
wonder where they'll store the rq-170?
suggestion: don't use the chinese embassy again.
They will retaliate politically, by exposing these events.
About that drone, I'd call it more like "public domain throwaway" stealth, so the fact that the Iranians claim they got it mostly intact is no big deal. From Wikipedia: "The design lacks several elements common to stealth engineering, namely notched landing gear doors and sharp leading edges. It has a curved wing planform, and the exhaust is not shielded by the wing. Aviation Week postulates that these elements suggest the designers have avoided 'highly sensitive technologies' due to the near certainty of eventual operational loss inherent with a single engine design and a desire to avoid the risk of compromising leading edge technology. The publication also suggests that the medium-grey color implies a mid-altitude ceiling, unlikely to exceed 50,000 feet since a higher ceiling would normally be painted darker for best concealment."
As for what the Iranians threaten to do outside their borders, what is a proportional response to an overflight of a spy drone which didn't physically harm anyone or anything?
that's what i don't understand. i didn't know there was such a thing as a stealth drone.......hmmm
Smittie: you have good questions and point of view; greenie on ya. Wikiz always suspect, but ...
And the Iranians have been threatening this since, let's see, 2009, no, 2007, no 2001, no ... no ... no 1993, no ...
- Ned
oh goody. the persians, like the chinese are experts at reverse engineering........i , a american insurgent fully support my iranian insurgent brothers in their struggle with the jew world order.......
Waiting for Christian Amanpour or Fareed Zakaria to tell me what to do next.
I think for the military the main purpose of "losing" an occasional drone is to make sure that congress will exempt DOD from any sequestration of funding in 2013.
and so Lockhead Martin can sell them more drones
Where's the Lame Street Media on this? Anyways, oil bitchez!
libertarian86.blogspot.com
it is nice of stratfor to help us and tell us good inside information doncha know. by the way, who runs stratfor?
Nuke the heathen Iranians and take their fucking oil.
If you really wanna DEAL WITH IRAN, open up borders, blast them with Voice of America and see how it goes. The one these fuckers really are afraid of is OPEN BORDERS! For more, tell them about SAFE SEX!
It the UN shit did not work with Cuba, it will not work with Iran.
I can say Van Halen and Hanoi Rocks have some really liberating music! For those poor communists souls...
Heheheh. WHO is afraid of open borders? Seems they aren't the only one trying to keep illegal drones from crossing into their country.
But you go back to being a patriotic United States Citizen. And pay your taxes, for fuck's sake. Satan needs the money.
I am Chumbawamba.
Gerald Celente : When all else fail they take us to war.
how did he avoid the draft?
or was that him in khe sanh?
Just another Iranian rumor.
We've been destroying their military facilities, scientists and personnel with impunity.
The Iranians have shown that they can't do anything against us. They don't have the capability and they're scared.
Thanks for the info.
Now comes the collateral damage that will advance democracy and liberty in the new American century.
Go America.
The best we can hope for is that the drone filghts may back off for a bit. I think they are flying these missions to placate israel. bibi is frothing for a strike. The President and Sarkozy think he's nuts.
http://www.bostonwealth.net/2011/11/24/bomb-away-oil-pipeline-to-bypass-...
Very interesting! Thanks.
"The Iranian military's response to the American spy drone's violation of our airspace will not be limited to Iran's borders any more."
IMHO while everybody is talking about when Iran will be able to build a nuclear bomb, we seem to be ignoring the indisputable fact that they have tons of highly enriched (20% plus) uranium which is more than enough to build a shitload of dirty bombs whose origin, through analysis of the debris they would leave behind, could not be unequivocally traced to Iran. And since at least 1953 there have been (legitimately) radicalized elements in Iran that understand the West will stop at nothing to destroy the country and take over its oil resources, it isn't difficult to imagine that in the 60 intervening years there haven't been some advance preparations made - like sleeper cells with dirty bomb capabilities, or CBW capabilities, planted in cities all over Europe and the US.
Now this quote from a high military source saying that Iran would respond outside its borders. This time US bullying might just get an unexpected ( or perhaps expected and desired) response. I'm afraid that whether it is Iranian sleeper cells or the much predicted False Flag dirty bomb attack, it is coming soon to a theater near all of us. And no amount of iodine pills are going to help, by the way. And martial law is ready to roll in the US - for our own security, ya know.
Is a dirty bomb really going to do anything though? Imagine one goes off in DC. First of all, it's not going to be obvious that it was anything more than a conventional explosive to the American sheeple, unless it's broadcast as "dirty" in the MSM. Secondly, would it even scare people away? DC is one of the few places left in America which still has a growing economy thanks to the thieving oligarchs. In a depression, desperate and unproductive men would suck radioactive dick to get a job there.
I ask these as serious questions, because apparently, the Japanese people don't give a fuck how radioactive Japan becomes. I can see Americans behaving more or less the same way.
Hi DW - good points. Unless the dirty bomb used enriched materials that contain plutonium, or, unless it was a CBW weapon rather than a dirty bomb. Iran has had a lot longer to get CBW in place than dirty bombs. For example, I wonder how many Sleepers in the US have a business that involves truck-mounted aerial dispersion technology - painting companies, agricultural spraying, pest control, etc. Imagine driving a vehicle capable of aerial dispersion on the beltway around a major city at 3 am spraying a mix of chemical agents into the air as you go. There are hundreds of possible scenarios.
Love your insight about desperate and unproductive men willing to suck radioactive dick. Doesn't that pretty well describe Congress?
LOL
We have more real estate to work with for relocation than does Japan if a dirty bomb were to be set off. Also, there is a vast difference in the national character, with the Japanese exhibiting both more stoicism and denial than Americans probably would. And then there's the media, which stokes hysteria here but which minimizes bad news there and makes it harder to know exactly what is going on, according to my Japanese friends.
If there is any truth to your speculations then all the more reason to have sent them back to the stone age 30 years ago. Never too late you know.
You'll know Iran was officially struck when Isreal is a smoking crater. If the regime goes down, they will take Isreal with it. And good riddance as far as I am concerned.
you mean Is (un)real?
ooops
Don't worry, Joe Lieberman is watching out for us:
Senator Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) added during debate this week, "When a member of Al Qaeda or a similar associated terrorist group, I want . . . them to be terrified about what's going to happen to them in American custody." added the senator and former presidential candidate.
"I want them not to know what's going to happen,"
http://rt.com/usa/news/detention-legislation-torture-senate-891/
I guess it wasn't that "stealthy". Like most hyperbole of capabilities, back to the drawiing board.
I prefer the most unjust peace to the most justest war ever waged.
- Cicero-
They attain a solitude and call it peace.
- Plutarch-
Cicero said, "most justest"?
He must have gone to high school in Los Angeles.
Was it peaceful in Gulag?
where you don't get raped every day.
Anyone remember this a couple months ago? Oct 7ish
Air Force Insists: Drone Cockpit Virus Just a ‘Nuisance’
The U.S. Air Force revealed new details Wednesday about the virus that’s been infecting the remote cockpits of its drone fleet — and insisted, despite reports from their own personnel, that the infection was properly and easily contained.
In a statement — the military’s first official, on-the-record acknowledgement of the virus — the Air Force insisted that the malware was “more of a nuisance than an operational threat.” The ability of drone pilots to remotely fly the aircraft from Creech Air Force Base in Nevada “remained secure throughout the incident.”
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/drone-virus-nuisance/
I didn't know it but I'm not surprised. US cyberwarfare and counter capacity is sh*t.
blah blah blah blah blah Iran...blah blah blah blah response...blah blah blah blah hard-line...and the hits just keep right on rolling. Same bullshit, different vowels and consonants.
Sorry ZH fans, but every time I see or write or read the word Iran, I just have to put...
F...U.. or F...O.. in front of it...
I guess it's 30 years of listening and hearing those Psycho Fanatics running that country. People aside, I just don't like the Iranian revolution.
What about the 'Psycho Fanatics' running this country?
So... what is it to you? You're in the USA, they're in Iran.
WHAT RIGHT DO YOU ASSUME TO MEDDLE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S AFFAIRS? because FOX said they're terrorists?
Then, apart from that:
PLEASE get out of "goldfish memory" mode:
Iran's government isn't fantastic, but with AMERICAN INFLUENCE the last pro-western government, before this one was CORRUPTED.
Don't you see? THey need a credible threat to start a war of conquest. They've been working tirelessly (after 9-11) to screw up US-Iran relations.
And the current theocracy isn't corrupted?
well, also to their own perception, if their documented (unoffcial, nobody under the bed, but well noted) private lives are any testimony, as their most active members only like to consume virgins, unbearded or unpenetrated.
The last time they claimed to shoot down a drone it was later retracted. overexcited and paranoid troops probably shot down some poor kids kite.
It's illegal to fly a kite in Iran.
Seriously.
.
IF this report is true, if Iran did indeed shoot down a US drone in their airspace then it is cause for concern because it shows NATO is taking up a far more aggressive and proactive role in Iran. drones aren't used to simply spy, gather intel or watch what another countries military forces are doing, or what sites are being used for what purpose. there are more effective ways of gathering that information such as satellites and high altitude stealth spy planes which can preform these tasks while remaining unseen and well out of reach of anit aircraft fire. this is especially true with Iran who's airforce (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't posses the type of assets needed to intercept a U2 or similar spy plane, even if they knew it was there. it's also a pretty safe assumption they don't possess anti satellite missiles so...
why then risk a drone if all your doing is looking?
now consider the two recently reported explosions at different military sites in Iran.
from what I've gathered after years of US occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan and the constant reports of drone strikes,it would seen to me that they are used to coordinate and/or execute attacks on specific targets, not to simply observe and report.
so, once again, if this report is true I wonder if they had not shot it down would we be reading yet another report of a mysterious explosion at another military facility?
Add to this the Chinese General who stated China will defend Iran even if it means WW3, the rapidly deterioration situation in Pakistan and the fact that Russia is becoming increasingly more agitated and aggressive at the fact that NATO seems determined to ring them with missiles and I don't think it's really all that unreasonable to wonder if the PTB's are trying to spark a large scale conflict in which many, many millions will die.
Drone wasn't shot down-from the second paragraph above:
"The informed source said on Sunday that Iran Army's electronic warfare unit successfully targeted the American-built RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft after it crossed into Iranian airspace over the border with neighboring Afghanistan."
Doesn't anybody read the articles before posting?
Anybody is illiterate.
you must have lotsa toy-boy buddies to give you greenieZ for that fuking crap
Well said Randall. If the Iranian press is to be believed, it looks like a focused EMP or directed plasma pulse weapon did a job on the UAV.
What's interesting (more like distressing) is that the RQ-170 was the most advanced stealth design deployed in the field (publicly) to date. That means their anti-aircraft systems were able to detect it, which makes it tough for our vaunted stealth air assets to operate withimpunity as well as we did in the gulf wars. If this is the case, we're in for a real bloody one that'll make the Vietnamese airspace in the late 60's look like a picnic, thanks to the Russians and Chinese. On the other hand, the detection may have been done via cyber tracking and not radar.
I pray that Iranian intelligence and propaganda was just blustering and that the UAV crashed due to a malfunction. In any case, the self-destruct mechanisms also failed so they now have a good example of our capabilities in their hands. A major mi,itary disaster for the US Air Force and UAV warfare.
Looks like we've also lost another one in Afghanistan at the same time. This could be a cyber warfare attack on our systems.
you have a mouse in your pocket?
did you name it after ORI?
let me quess: dungeons & dragons?
are you saying that the press made up the story about the army claimng the "kill"? wtf, dudes, yes, both of you, try reading the article (paste):
A senior Iranian military official says Iran's Army has shot down a remote-controlled reconnaissance drone operated by the US military in the eastern part of the country.
it is not impossible that the plane was seen visually and shot down by a fighter jet patrol, or do you toy-boys wanna pretend the drone can fly faster than the speed of light, too?
strange devotional piety, too~~praying for our drones to malfunction rather than get shot down; but psychologically pretty sad and pathetic. maybe when you are older you will at least see the possibility that the "cyber warfare attack on our systems" is self-generated, with or without command approval, whatever you might take that to mean at this point within your vast experience of "military" fantasy
imagine you and randall flying your r/c helicopters, while pretending you are movie heroes, and someone is trying to shoot them w/ a bb gun. they might hit one, ya know?
now, as far as this piece which tyler put up goes, anything else is just speculation; hopefully, you're not too sick to understand this sentence...
China will not back Iran in a war. Russia and China are not Iran’s natural ally. Russia is using Iran for weapons sales,leverage against the West via the missile defense shield in Europe. Russia has had a long history with Muslims and they do not like them. Case in point Chechnya.Russia will never allow a Muslim country getting nukes. That is why Iran’s nuclear program is shitty as hell.Russia is doing that on purpose to slow down Iran’s path to nukes. China is using Iran for weapons sales and oil.That being said war with Iran would be the dumbest thing our government can do. Iran does not have the delivery system for a nuke. Israel has about 400 nukes and can wipe out Iran in the matter of minutes, Israel is getting Dolphin nuclear submarines from Germany. Iran does not have the capability to miniaturize its nukes,put it on a warhead,and send somewhere. It will take Iran at least 10 years. So what is the big deal if Iran has two or three nuclear weapons with no good defense system and a poor economy? Russia also is using Iran to bargain private investments in Russia,Russia has it’s own energy source and if something happens with global supplies Russia can wake up very rich in the? morning after war is declared.
That being said war with Iran is just plain dumb. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge in warfare and economics know it will be bad for the middle east stability and the global economy. Iran’s conventional military stands no chance to win a war with the US. However Iran can strike at Israel and the west through asymmetrical warfare. Airstrikes against Iran by the US and Israel would delay Iran’s nuclear program by three years. Also the consequences would devastating across the middle east. . First, its nuclear program is built around deception,redundancy and hardening. Like the revelation of a second enrichment built under a mountain on a military base at Qom. Speaking of which, the facility at Qom also illustrates another feature – the amount of redundancy in its nuclear program. Since the US knew of Natanz, having a second site would have also made sense (and perhaps a third, and fourth, etc, whose existence has not yet been revealed). That way, limited bombing sorties of the sort that crippled the nuclear programs of nations like Syria or Iraq would not work in Iran.Plus Iran has alot of retaliatory weapon on its plate.
The Strait of Hormuz is very narrow. Our own ships have a hard time passing it. Plus Iran has the longest shoreline to the Straits and will use it for its advantage. They will set up anti ship missiles(P-800 Onik,and Sunburn missiles),mines,suicide speedboats to harass ship going through. Second Iran has tens of thousands of ballistic missiles that it will target US military bases,and Persian Gulf oil fields. Iran will let let Hezbollah deal with Israel. Hezbollah has more katusha rockets then ever before,it has Fateh 110 missiles and scud missiles as well.Plus its many anti aircraft missilels such as the Russian-made-SA7 “Grail”, the SA-14 “Gremlin” and the SA-18 “Grouse.” These shoulder-fired SAMs are a point defense for covering mobile missile launchers like the M600 when exposed during the firing and retirement cycle. The goal will be to drive out the IDF in northern Israel and Hezbollah launches an attack in the northern Israeli towns. Of course this will fail but Hezbollah want to drag Israel into a quagmire by invading Lebanon. The Lebanese military made it clear if Israel invades Lebanon that they will side with Hezbollah. Israel will go the path of total war against Hezbollah and Hamas.Israel will go all out. Iran will then use its Al Qods units and Shiite militia allies in Iraq to cross into Saudi Arabia and do sabotage in eastern Saudi Arabia and also instigate a armed Shiite insurrection. that alone will have oil skyrocket.
Iran has formidable asymmetrical retaliatory capabilities. For example, all of these are vulnerable to Iranian sabotage or hundreds of Iranian missiles on the eastern side of the Gulf: from the narrow Straits of Hormuz, which still handles 25 percent of the world’s oil traffic; to Bahrain, the U.S. Fifth Fleet’s headquarters where the population is two-thirds Shiite and the royal family is Sunni; to Dubai, where about 400,000 Iranians live, including many who are “sleeper agents” or favorable to Tehran; to Qatar, now the world’s richest country with per-capita income at $78,000, which supplies the United States with the world’s longest runway and sub-headquarters for CENTCOM, and whose LNG facilities are within short missile range of Iran’s coastal batteries; to Saudi Arabia’s Ras Tanura, the world’s largest oil terminal, and Abqaiq, nerve center of Saudi’s eastern oil field. Also the US embassy in Iraq.
War with Iran will not lead to American defeat but it will be very costly and would backfire. Iran would then go all out in its nuclear program if attacked. The price of oil could reach $400-500 barrel which would send the world into a depression. The defense department and military knows this and do NOT have the appetite for war with Iran.
Iran could not piss in it's own corn flakes. It represents no military threat at all unless it is funding and arming terrorists, or building nuclear weapons which simply cannot be allowed to happen. It could not even beat Saddam in years of war over the Shatt al Arab.
The US alone has spent 8 trillion on security since we were attacked in 2001, our allies have spent trillions more. You think that went to buy pez and tidily winks? That drone we lost however it happened was to be expected, you put enough of those babies in the air for enough years and some day you lose one, but we have at least 10,000 more so I doubt we will run out of them soon.
Ten trillion between you and your allies buys a lot of sophistication and even raw numbers.
And let us not forget that we already have 3 battle ships positioned near Iran. Oh, joy!
Christmas will be mostly red with little green this year!
Have a bloody blessed Christmas, everybody!
Huston, We Have A Provocation.
The MIC just popped the champagne. Another war rathole to pour money into. Whoppie, we're all gonna die!!
"Stealth" my ass.
Remember how Saddam's forces were going to make the earth red with blood if anything happened in Iraq? Same kind of shit with the Iranians; great at bluster, not so good with actual results. It's the permanent condition of Islamic radicals to always be in a state of near fanaticism and jihad. How else do you control people in an otherwise shitbag economic system and way of life?
OK Iran, do something already and let's get the endgame overwith. Personally, I'm sick of listening to you shitheads for the last 23 years.
Tell that to the families of the 5000 dead American soldiers!
Yea Randall, war is a bitch and people die. Do you think the radical Islamists give a shit? No, they don't, but they know you do.
But you miss the point; the MS media, liberals, and of course Saddam were telling the world that hundreds of thousands of people would die, and that we would need bodybags as far as the eye could see. America would meet its doom fighting the glorious and wonderful matyrs who were itching for a fight. Bullshit. Their army sucked and the air force ran as fast as the airplanes could get them to another country. Iran is no different.
Sure, they can screw with Barry Soetero 'cause they know he's a wimp. Haven't seen them do anything to Isreal though, because they know the consequences.
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Saddam was a radical islamist? He said "matyrs" (sic) were itching for a fight?
Sorry dude, you don't know what you're talking about.
Again you miss my point. Maybe if you stopped creating straw men so you can knock them down with your BS logic you could"get it". Never said Saddam was an Islamist - he wasn't - he was part of the crowd, along with the entire middle east dictators, the east coast liberals and people like you that screamed from the heavens that we should make nice with assholes like these to "get along". Fuck that.
For 20+ years these clowns have been molly-coddled by the west. They know how you think Randall, and they play you like a fucking violin every time you open your mouth. Of course, with you, I guess we should just look the other way because what? - somebody might get hurt? People are going to get hurt and killed by these asshats as long as they are around.
You don't have a clue.
Their aim is Armageddon in order to accelerate the return of the Mahdi. Amadinajad has been very explicit about this.
Links???
Please keep in mind that China swears they will assist their trading partner, Iran. Up in smoke!
PLease keep in mind that China is full of shit
I wish it were true.
Those drones are not cheap- the military industrial complex is pushing the US into war to help with the economic train wreck and compensate for the loss of gravy train profits in Iraq. Except, this time The opponent has some surprises in store for everyone.
Dumb. Ron Paul for President.
Fuck it, it was last years model drone.