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Iran Moves Forces To War Alert

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Whether it is just posturing or this time Iran feels it has little to lose, following a spate of mysterious explosions and a downed US attack drone (for those who can put 2 and 2 together), it seems that the oil-rich country is increasingly seeing war as the probable endspiel. YNet reports that Iran is "moving missiles to secret sites, Western officials tell British paper; earlier, Tehran residents reported to stockpile goods, fearing imminent strike. The commander of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards has ordered his forces to raise their operational readiness ahead of a possible war or strike on the country’s nuclear facilities, the Telegraph reported late Monday." The move is for now precautionary: "The British newspaper quoted Western intelligence sources as saying that Iran is repositioning ballistic missiles, explosives and troops into defensive positions, in order to offer a quick response in the case of an attack by Israel or the United States." And while all this is happening, Iran is busy shipping of the downed US drone to the highest regional bidder (with substantial reverse engineering skills).

From YNet:

According to the report, Revolutionary Guards Commander Mohammed Ali Jaafari directed his forces to deploy Iran’s long-range missiles at secret sites nationwide. Meanwhile, the country’s air force has reportedly set up “rapid reaction units” that would respond to aerial assaults.


A senior Western intelligence official was quoted as saying: "There is deep concern within the senior leadership of the Iranian regime that they will be the target of a surprise military strike by either Israel or the US.


"For that reason they are taking all necessary precautions to ensure they can defend themselves properly if an attack happens," the official said.

"We are going to be attacked"

Iran's isolation over its nuclear ambitions, its claim to have shot down a US spy drone in its airspace on Sunday and the British embassy attack are feeding ordinary Iranians' fears.


"Many foreigners are leaving Iran ... I suspect that there will be military action ... we will become another Iraq," said architect Mahsa Sedri, 35. "Obviously something is going on ... otherwise the foreigners would not leave Iran."


"We are going to be attacked ... I sense it ... I am pulling out my money from the bank to have cash in hand in case of an attack," said government employee Hassan Vosughi. "I and all my friends have stockpiled goods at home."

In retrospect, perhaps they should be stockpiling brent.


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Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:20 | 1951286 Ahmeexnal
Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:28 | 1951320 Manthong
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Just WTF does being "oil rich" have to do with the right of nations to defend themselves against "grave and gathering danger" or dangerous and grave gatherings or even gathering and dangerous graves?


Try saying THAT fast three times!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:30 | 1951335 camaro68ss
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It’s not war, its transitory  kinetic Nobel peace prize bombs

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:31 | 1951343 Spastica Rex
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War is peace, they're preparing for peace.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:33 | 1951349 john39
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a shit load of peace.  The Russians are ready for this, as are the Iranians.  They will fight hard and a lot of people are about to die.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:43 | 1951408 Normalcy Bias
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Yeah, but they gots the brown skin, soes it don't really count!


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:00 | 1951515 Manthong
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You don’t need any more proof that there is a strange crowd in these parts than to think of who could possibly want to junk a Bushism play on words  -- LOL  : D

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:23 | 1951668 covsire
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He got junked because he played the Aladdin(tm) Race Card.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:12 | 1952276 Triggernometry
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Battle stations, Bitchez!!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:41 | 1952481 Hober Mallow
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Iranians begin bank runs and stockpiling as threat increases for imminent attack

I would like to see those new GBU-57A/B i in action 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:10 | 1951583 DionysusDevotee
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You mean our guys or theirs?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:48 | 1951814 MrBoompi
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The color of the skin doesn't matter if you possess oil and don't agree to sell it to the cartel for USD.



Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:59 | 1951505 nowhereman
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yeah, and as long as it happens "over there" the media "here" will be frontline cheerleaders.  The audacity of these heathens, why are they trying to protect themselves, they must have something to hide?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:59 | 1951867 TruthInSunshine
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ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX, and all the other Proxies of the Ministry of Truth and perpetuators of the War Racket & False Left-Right Paradigm *illusion* will surely have their cameras trained on the Tehran skyline, being tipped off far in advance by Goebbels, to ensure they can run prime time teasers giving Amerikans the heads up to have their popcorn and soda/beer ready for the beginning of the Circus Festivities to be marked by brilliant and dazzling fireworks.

Brian Williams will report, in a hushed voice, over a darkened Tehran skyline, with tracer rounds zipping all about, that "[w]e think that was the sound of anti-aicraft battery fire in the distance..." as Andea Mitchell sends it back to the nBcS War Room Studio where David Gregory and the other NBC Pundits can sit around the ginormous map of Iran that they use as a digitized table and discuss 'war strategies' with retired U.S. generals/paid consultants.


Bread & Circus, bitchez.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:31 | 1952053 francis_sawyer
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Don't forget who "pays" for the news coverage...

Cut to commercial... WAR HORSE (a Steven Spielberg production - who also directed Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Schindler's List, and Saving Private Ryan)... Opening on Christmas Day...

So now we'll get the full court hook nose press into the March Oscars ceremony on those bad Iranians, and how the US taxpayer needs to go on the hook for more debt for the threat that Xerxes poses to the desert clan...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:45 | 1952119 cossack55
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Will they take Sundays and Monday nights off so as to not interfere with the NFL?  I mean come on!!!! Priorities please!!!!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:18 | 1952319 taxpayer102
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The U.S. Ministry of Propaganda, now consolidated into the Broadcast Board of Governors (, is run by former TV/cable news execs and Sec Hillary Clinton.  The BBG "encompasses all U.S. civilian international broadcasting, including the Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, Radio and TV Marti and Middle East networks Radio Sawa and Alhurra Television.  Programs are distributed in 58 languages via radio, TV, the internet and social media.   Today it launched a "Virtual Embassy for Iran" that includes a video introduction by Clinton - the same Clinton that celebrated the death of Gadhafi and destruction of Libya.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 17:51 | 1952757 TruthInSunshine
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Corrupted National Network:

"This is Wolf Blitzer, we're airing 'Good Morning From Tehran,' with our special CNN War&Roses anal-cyst, General Anuswas Blownout, and you're in the situation room."

[Incredibly dramatic, yet completely militaristic music, with a drum beat cadence forefront, dubbed over Blitzer's glockenspiel]

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:38 | 1951765 PulauHantu29
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Can Barry win the Peace prize twice?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 19:04 | 1952964 Mauibrad
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I wonder, has the Norwegian Nobel Committee ever taken back a Peace Prize?  Maybe it's time they do so.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:43 | 1951792 OliverTwist
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Nobel peace prize has become a f***ing joke! It's a maaaad world!

How to tell your child "Happy birthday!" without feeling like a pathetic liar?!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:08 | 1952244 In Fed We Trust
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Maybe that crack smokinv nigger occupying the WH will get another Nobel peace prize?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:33 | 1951351 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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[P]erhaps they should be stockpiling brent.

You will know war is weeks away when they pinch off the straight.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:24 | 1952352 boiltherich
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Mr. LH, if they make any move to close Hormuz war will not be weeks away it will have already started.  Closing the strait would BE an act of war and everyone over 18 on all sides knows that.  Not to mention the USA would not hesitate to clear the water using a nuke to vaporize anything lodged in the sea lanes.  But, I doubt they would try that because the UAE, Dubai, Kuwait, Saudi A., and Iraq all need those lanes open, they would consider closure an act of war on them as well.  The Iranians are not THAT stupid, that would hand western powers even more legitimacy within the Arab world than they already have.  Recall that Arabs do not see Iran as Arabian but as Persians that happen to be Muslim.  And most Arabs do not approve of Iranian support for terror organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.  They certainly do not want a nuclear armed Iran, and they will not allow Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz.  That is just the way it is. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 19:56 | 1953084 UP Forester
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So, flying drones over Iran, "sponsoring Iranian rebels," and shit mysteriously blowing up all over isn't war already?

Thu, 12/08/2011 - 03:02 | 1957564 boiltherich
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There is a difference between a tit for tat cold war of attrition between hostile nations that bicker and a hot war that is no longer deniable.  Hormuz is international waters not Iran's to block or close but doing so would be an act of war not only for those that ship through the channel but also for those customers that must have the oil, simple as that. 

One can argue whether or not a drone flying in their airspace is an act of war, unmanned, unarmed, probably not an act of war.  They might not like it much but it does not amount to war, they can just shoot it down for that matter.  Russians used to violate our airspace all the time testing our responses and resolve.  State Department would fire of a testy memo to the Russian Ambassador, not fire off a barrage of missiles. 

Sponsoring Iranian rebels you say?  News to me, maybe you would like to document your accusations?  But, as long as they are not US nationals operating inside of Iran for destructive purposes it is not an act of war, we do not control what other people choose to do with their lives, now if there were Americans killing thousands of civilians and destroying civilian targets like office towers that would be different.  Seems to me that there is plenty to protest within that shithole country that people need little encouragement to attempt a bit of regime change on their own. 

As to their "shit mysteriously blowing up" as you put it, again, documentation is everything.  We all know about that missile base getting blown to hell, but not even the Iranians are calling that anything but a tragic accident.  It was a missile base, they fuel rockets there, if it is not done right the results can be spectacularly bad.  If the US had anything to do with it I am betting that it was not because we just don't like Iran, it was probably more like they were actually loading fuel and a bomb onto a rocket slated for a one way trip to Ras Tenura.  That would explain why they would not accuse anyone if they were attacked, when to do so makes them the guilty party in an indefensible position. 

Iran is a bad place, I genuinely feel bad for those sane and reasonable people there who seem unable to do anything about the horrific theocratic government they suffer.  But, I have said for 25 years Islam has to clean it's own house because we can't do it for them and there are consequences to their actions.  The reactions of the west will simply grow worse over the years, what they do to themselves within their own borders is their business and I do not like to think of the pure evil the average person there suffers, but when what they do affects others outside their borders then the world and we have a right and a duty to make sure they know there will be a price to pay.  We have been telling them this for 30 years, we have been patient.  That will not last forever.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:34 | 1951356 Deo vindice
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You can erase the entire article but the two words "oil rich" and we would all know what this is all about.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:09 | 1951574 Ceteris paribus
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With a 1000 in your avatar, it does not relate to your IQ

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:39 | 1951762 francis_sawyer
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<above> Try saying THAT fast three times!


Try saying THAT 3 times real fast...


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:57 | 1951496 1000pips
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Iran is a small, stupid military and they know it. There is simply nothing they can do. China will never defend them. USA owns Iran and does whatever they want to with them. Always have, always will. Now get ready for a big Bull Market run up!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:02 | 1951530 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You know nothing

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:50 | 1951823 Raphio
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Sorry to interject here, but one of the things that 1000pips knows nothing about is geology. In an earlier thread, I ceded to his insults, and to his assertions that "gold is a mineral". I had corrected him and let him know that gold is actually an element, but he came back with some quick google searches that apparently proved that gold was also a mineral and that i was uneducated. I am here to state, uncategorically, and once again, after more in depth research - gold is an element not a mineral. When a mineral has gold as its major constituent, the mineral is often reffered to as "gold".... hence the ubiquity of "gold, mineral" google searches. Gold is an element, you, 1000pips, stand corrected. You were wrong and got all puffy with your hasty google searches; I was right. Go fuck yourself.

I can only hope that there is no war with Iran. Peace, please.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:55 | 1951841 francis_sawyer
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Rock on Raphio...

Only problem now is that you just opened up the floodgates for 'Civis Mundi' to come on here and tell us all how gold is more ubiquitous than "lies" in DC...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:39 | 1952461 boiltherich
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Raphio, I could not agree more with your entire post, but for one thing, peace yes, but NOT at all costs.  Perhaps they just do not understand what kind of fire they are playing with?  Maybe there have been a few isolated attacks in the last few weeks by us or Israel or Britain or whatever, a simple demonstration that there will be consequences for breaking international law.  But, they fought nine years and lost millions of men trying to mess with Saddam to take the Shatt al Arab so perhaps human life has no real value to them.  All those virgins in paradise, compared to a lifetime of jerking off and living in a shit hole.  I guess when you think you have NOTHING worth living for an honorable martyrs death on the battlefield is not so bad. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 17:31 | 1952727 silverman
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Are you for real? Now which international law, exactly, did Iran break.... huuuh? Then you attempt to imply that Iran spent 9 years messing with Saddam? If I am not mistaken, the US armed and goaded Saddam into attacking/invading Iran... who defended themselves. You then wander off into xenophobic gibberish. Fail!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:14 | 1953147 UP Forester
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They must have broke the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.  You know, the one that says nuclear countries are supposed to help countries that seek peaceful nuclear ambitions in exchange for making sure they don't make weapons.  Of which the U.S. is a signatory, along with France, the UK, Russia,  China, and 184 others.

The four that aren't are North Korea (withdrawn), India, Pakistan, and, um, some other country with at least 300 nukes at home and located in major embassies world wide.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 21:16 | 1953306 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nope, Iran hasn't violated the terms of the NPT. They must have broken some other international law.

I'm so glad that the occupational government in Vichy, D.C., would never violate international law. That would make them hypocrites, and the entire city like whitewashed tombs, which from the outside appear lovely, but from within are full of the bones of the dead and all forms of corruption.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:51 | 1951828 francis_sawyer
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"1000" sees himself as "300"... The numerical difference can be accounted for by INFLATION... Silver bitchez!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:18 | 1951638's picture

Please cite the language in the Constitution which authorizes US ownership of Iran. Be specific and show your work.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:46 | 1951809 francis_sawyer
Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:20 | 1951992 Cow
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The Commerce Clause - it's good for the war machine business

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:45 | 1952503 boiltherich
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In the early years of the 19th century, the United States, at the direction of President Thomas Jefferson, decided to call a halt to the payment of tribute, and a war between the young US Navy and the Barbary pirates ensued.

Good enough for Thomas Jefferson, good enough for me!

Ten years later, a second war settled the issue of American ships being attacked by pirates until the problem's bizarre resurgence nearly 200 years later, in the spring of 2009.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 17:12 | 1952639's picture

Yeah, Iranian pirates are always relieving me of my wenches and my swag. Something's got to be done!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:45 | 1953234 TheFourthStooge-ing
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boiltherich uttered:

Good enough for Thomas Jefferson, good enough for me!

I'm glad you see it that way.

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson

I pray for justice.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:39 | 1952091 the tower
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Ha! Iran has nuclear missiles pointed at Israel and another geopolitically important location: Saudi Arabia. In case of an attack someone might go nuts and use them... which means WW3 and USA without oil.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:03 | 1952216 In Fed We Trust
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What do you call one million dead jews?

A damn a good start!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 17:38 | 1952755 1000pips
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All of u who wish something bad would happen to USA will always be disappointed. We simply have the most advanced military in the World. We may be attacked, but the vengeance we set forth rains fire of terror that generations of or enemies never recover from. To mess with us is literally to be smashed down by the Right Hand of God. We own the USD, we own the OIL, and we always Will.

Gold is a mineral, it is not currency, and it never will be again.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:20 | 1953165 UP Forester
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We can do it!  We can defeat anything, including weaponized small-pox and ebola, and all else a la Stephen King's The Stand!

USA, fuck yeah!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:53 | 1953261 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What I find shameful is that, even though 1000pips is just another farcical troll, some people are so deluded that they actually believe the vomitus that he's spitting up.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:13 | 1951607 Sudden Debt
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So China now has already 10000 working drones ready to take off.....
I mean, I used to be in charge of a Reverse engeneering cell that copies a brands and well, i remember i once visited the factory and a the start i gave them the samples and after 3 hours they called us to show off 2 working samples. I like to see europeans or americans do that....

Plus if they devided the parts over 50 factories, they can flood the skies with those drones in 4 months whith tens of thousands of drones. What can you do against weapons like that?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:28 | 1951700 covsire
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You add a device that blows all internal computers upon losing connection from the "hive" for more than 5 minutes.  Anyone with a few million dollars can build an RC plane big enough to carry a camera and a gun that communicates with a satellite, it's the software that makes these things deadly and that's the easiest part to destroy in case it's damaged.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:01 | 1951877 CrazyCooter
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I logged on to say what you just said; the actual drone itself is only a fraction of the technology and infrastructure involved. There are sattelites and communications networks and control systems that make the drone operate which are much more valuable in proprietary terms. A drone is a fancy RC airplane with a camera and maybe some weapons.

And, as pointed out, the brains on the drone could be blown up as a precaution. I would also expect, even if this self destruct failed, there are other security precations that obfuscate the electronics and software on board.



Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:59 | 1951863 francis_sawyer
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What can you do against weapons like that?

EMP bitchez...

Bomb 'em back to the stone age... LITERALLY! (all your 'reverse engineering' are belong to us)...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:12 | 1952275 Matt
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And thus escalate the situation towards nuclear war. Brilliant!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:10 | 1952257 Matt
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1. Turn on a big tesla coil, thus blocking all controls to the entire swarm.

2. Hack in and remote control them to shoot back at them, a la the rumoured Iranian hack of the US UAV.

3. Infect the machines with a virus to render them dysfuntional.

I am sure somewhere, people are testing these and other strategies.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:59 | 1952187 The Heart
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This is a nice rendition of WARPIGS also:

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:21 | 1951287 LeBalance
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since we've seen the satelite imagery of destruction, hasn't the horse left that barn?

they will be able to submit that damages take place at "whatever" hour tonight

and move to the next step.

even if the wounds are self inflicted.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:38 | 1951376 CPL
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Still think they should nuke their own wells, watch how fast people become completely disinterested in Iran and leave it alone.


While they'll lose their revenue, they'll save their lives and royally piss off everybody. (friends and annoyances alike)


I know it's a crackpot move, but, only way they can dodge a full on war is to remove the tasty treat.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:19 | 1951640 WhatCouldGoWrong
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There's been rumors for years that the Saudis have already wired their wells with explosives and long half-life radioactive materials. Called "Petro SE" (scorched earth), it would make their wells useless for a very long time in the event of an invasion...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:30 | 1951712 MachoMan
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It didn't work for saddam, k-daff, or anyone else trying it...  setting the rigs on fire or otherwise destroying them won't even mitigate bomb guidance systems at this juncture (thanks to saddam)...  It will piss off the U.S., but at the end of the day, those mindless consumers need what's underground...  if it means stirring up some laughable bullshit to play on their deep rooted prejudices, then so be it.

The only thing it would do is prolong the time it takes other people to steal (liberate!) their oil...  priced in dollars of course.  The desperate beast's cage is made of cardboard...  I suggest not poking it just for the hell of it.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:39 | 1951380 CPL
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Why are you getting junked for speaking the truth?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:29 | 1951290 GeneMarchbanks
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Yes. That would be about right.

And now we celebrate 2012!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:20 | 1951293 lolmao500
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Full moon on December 10... starting on Dec.8 with almost a full moon.

The Iraq war started the day after a full moon.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:25 | 1951316 Cash_is_Trash
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Damn, my GMAT is on the 13th.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:30 | 1951340 ElvisDog
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The problem is you can't just flip a switch and start a war. Troops and material would have to be positioned weeks ahead of time. Has that happened yet?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:42 | 1951401 lolmao500
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There's a shitload of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. And Kuwait. And Bahrain. And 3 aircraft carriers soon to be in position... 2 already in the region.

And Israel and the US have submarines in the area for sure.

And as a last resort, they've got nukes if necessary.

Nobody is talking about an invasion yet... but bombing the hell out of Iran... sure. A few subs with cruise missiles along with a few B-2 would do the job.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:00 | 1951516 spartan117
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Those aircraft carriers are big targets for those Russian Sunburns. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:17 | 1951626 j0nx
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Give me a break. Do you REALLY think the navy doesn't have countermeasures to ANYTHING that Russia or China can create or would have their carriers parked there if they didn't? Puhleeze.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:21 | 1951660's picture

I thought that the US had countermeasures against a dozen guys armed with utility knives but I was wrong about that.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:11 | 1951942 francis_sawyer
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countermeasures against a dozen guys armed with utility knives

Would you believe against a troop of boy scouts & a water pistol...?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:25 | 1951673 falak pema
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plastic cutter bombing is one tactic they don't know how to counter act. Watch out for stuka plastic cutters.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 21:03 | 1953285 TheFourthStooge-ing
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j0nx regaled us with this wisdom:

Give me a break. Do you REALLY think the navy doesn't have countermeasures to ANYTHING that Russia or China can create or would have their carriers parked there if they didn't? Puhleeze.

Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:20 | 1951655 HellFish
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Russia is not attacking a US carrier group in defense of Iran.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:23 | 1951666's picture

Will Russia and China allow the US to occupy every resource rich nation on Earth? At some point such activity on the part of the US becomes an existential threat to Russia and China.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:25 | 1951678 RobD
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Sunburns range is only 120km. Unless we want to get hit there is now way a Carrier is going to be that close.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:57 | 1951853 lolmao500
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Well what about China? With Taiwan's election, Iran war and Pakistan war... all could break loose in 2012.

Chinese President Hu Jintao urged the country's navy Tuesday to prepare for military combat and advance naval modernisation as part of efforts to safeguard world peace.

The navy should "accelerate its transformation and modernisation in a sturdy way, and make extended preparations for military combat in order to make greater contributions to safeguard national security and world peace," Hu said in a speech which comes amid US and regional concerns over China's naval ambitions.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:55 | 1951838 Dave Thomas
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Everyone loves the Sunburn, but the US Navy is wearing SPF 50.

Lets be realistic, how many live fire drills you think they've conducted with a surface targets that actively deploy ECCM and active defenses and countermeasures?

Hell, the US Navy expends as much ordinance training as most countries budget for several years as a stockpile.

The only ship a Sunburn is going to dest is going to be a USS Maddox type.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:38 | 1951766 CTG_Sweden
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"There's a shitload of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. And Kuwait. And Bahrain. And 3 aircraft carriers soon to be in position... 2 already in the region.


And Israel and the US have submarines in the area for sure.


And as a last resort, they've got nukes if necessary.


Nobody is talking about an invasion yet... but bombing the hell out of Iran... sure. A few subs with cruise missiles along with a few B-2 would do the job."




If Israel or the United States thinks that there won´t be any substantial negative effects in terms of what the public at large would think, it is more likely that there will be some kind of officially declared attack on Iran. I think that an attack on Iran probably could be justified by the big media to a sufficient extent. But in case the risk for future problems as regards what the general public in the US or Europe would think is big enough I think the should prefer other means to attack Iran´s nuclear facilities, such as staging accidents which are hard to blame the US or Israel for. If such an accident would coincide with an earthquake it would probably be very difficult for the Iranian regime to blame what happened on the US or Israel. And if the US and Israel don´t like the current Iranian regime and wish to replace it with something else, this should probably be an efficient method. An attack on Iran would probably increase support for the regime and other anti-American and anti-Israeli leaders. On the other hand, it is probably difficult to stage an accident and earthquakes are rare even in Iran, especially on locations where nuclear facilities are located.


But it is hard for me to see the point in attacking Iran right now. They don´t have any nukes and it would take years for them to get nukes. It seems to make more "sense" to attack Pakistan which already has nukes. But perhaps an attack on Iran could set an example that could be useful if they want to force Pakistan to give up its nukes? If they nuke Iran they can make threats against Pakistan more credible.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:37 | 1952455 In Fed We Trust
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And Obama is on a 17 day vacation, maybe because he dosn't want to make the decesion.

Nothing like the crack pipe and getting sucked off by his new "body" man to get the Presidents mind of the midlle East.

Now i only wish that crack would kill the President.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:27 | 1953186 UP Forester
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Wasn't TOTUS in South America when he did NATO's bidding and bombed the shit out of Libya?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:04 | 1951904 francis_sawyer
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There's a shitload of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. And Kuwait. And Bahrain. And 3 aircraft carriers soon to be in position... 2 already in the region.

Yeah... & the Nobel Peace Prize winner in Chief is putting out on 18 at the 'Plantation Course' just waiting to sound the order in 5...4...3...2... (just in time for Christmas - which means NOTHING to him 'cept that the NBA starts its season that day)...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:50 | 1952532 boiltherich
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Four carrier groups, the Lincoln is supposed to sail for the Gulf tonight. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:45 | 1951420 CORNGUY
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Carriers have been in position for at least a week.    Thats all we can 'know' about.   My guess is there is Subs all throught the gulf ready to deliver a plethora of Hell-Fire Missles.     

The war can start at any would take nothing less than Obama's OK and about twenty minutes for about 2,000 Cruise Missles to hit their 'targets.'   Not to mention when the B-2s hit the sky./...........

There will be a week or two of bombings then troops will be 'placed'.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:15 | 1951622 catacl1sm
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B-2's run missions out of Missourri to all parts of the world, I believe.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:27 | 1951690 RobD
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They can also be based in Diego Garcia(Indian Ocean) and the UK.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:19 | 1951643 j0nx
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Yeahp, and the same mofos that were calling Bush a war criminal and protesting outside his ranch during Iraq would be the head cheerleaders for Obama and crew once it starts. Liberal hypocrites. America needs another war like it needs another tax.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:28 | 1951698 Ahmeexnal
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Hope and Change!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:36 | 1952079 francis_sawyer
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Hope & REGIME Change... There, fixed it...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:13 | 1953142 prole
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America needs another war like it needs another tax.

And we are going to get both!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 21:33 | 1953350 TheFourthStooge-ing
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j0nx stated:

Yeahp, and the same mofos that were calling Bush a war criminal and protesting outside his ranch during Iraq would be the head cheerleaders for Obama and crew once it starts. Liberal hypocrites. America needs another war like it needs another tax.

I have to agree with you here (even though I believe "liberal" and "conservative" no longer have any useful meaning). Anyone with a brain can see that the current administration is functionally equivalent to Bush's third term. Obama is every bit as much a war criminal as Chimpy Bush.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:19 | 1951649 Liquid Courage
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Hellfire is an ASM - Air to Surface Missile mainly an anti-tank weapon. Not launched by subs. Subs (and ships) launch TLAMs - Tactical Land Attack Missile - aka Tomahawk Cruise Missiles - much bigger than a Hellfire. Cruise missiles can also be launched by aircraft but then are referred to as SLAMs Stand-off Land Attack Missile - still a Tomahawk, though.

It's all on the inter-webs.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:25 | 1951677's picture

I liked the old fashioned tomahawks which could double as peace pipes.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:38 | 1952083 francis_sawyer
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How'd they do as 'bongs'?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:32 | 1951728 Silver Dreamer
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Subs delivering Hellfire missiles, ehh?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:58 | 1951858 Dave Thomas
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Every website on the internet has about 200 Tom Clancy's on it.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:41 | 1952102 francis_sawyer
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"Clancy Brothers" break...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:51 | 1952134 francis_sawyer
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LYRICS (of above)

"When I was a young man, I carried my pack.
And I lived the free life of a rover
From the Murray's green basin
To the dusty outback,
I waltzed my matilda all over.
Then in nineteen fifteen, my country said son
It's time to stop rambling,
There's work to be done.
So they gave me a tin hat,
And they gave me a gun,
And they sent me away to the war.

And the band played Waltzing Matilda,
As we sailed away from the Quay
And amidst all the cheers,
Flagwaving and tears
We sailed off for Gallipoli

When I remember that terrible day
When our blood stained the sand and the water
And how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter.
Johnny Turk he was ready
Oh he primed himself well.
He rained us with bullets,
And he showered us with shells.
And in five minutes flat,
We were all blown to hell
Nearly blew us right back to Australia.

And the band played Waltzing Matilda,
As we stopped to bury our slain.
And we buried ours and the Turks buried theirs,
And it started all over again.

Those who were living,
Just tried to survive
In that mad world of blood, death and fire
And for seven long weeks,
I kept myself alive,
While around us the corpses piled higher
Then a big Turkish shell,
Knocked me ass over head
And when I awoke in my hospital bed,
And saw what it had done,
Christ I wished I was dead.
Never knew there were worse things than dying.

And no more I'll go Waltzing Matilda,
All around the green bush far and near
For to hump tent and pegs
A man needs both legs
No more Waltzing Matilda for me."


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:55 | 1952559 boiltherich
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Australia lost that battle but won that war and the Ottoman Empire was ended. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:20 | 1953163 prole
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I don't see as how Australia had any skin in that war? What the Hell did they "win?"

'When I was a young man, I carried my pack. And I lived the free life of a rover'

He should have stuck to his roving ways and skipped that stupid war.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 20:38 | 1953217 UP Forester
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When you are a subject of someone who was born of the right loins, you do the bidding.  Even if you are the unwanted of "society" from a previous generation.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:16 | 1951627 Dr. Richard Head
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Indeed it has happened.  Troops have been in position now for ten years.  "Don't get it twisted, we are already at war with Iran" Max Keiser -

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:20 | 1951651 Sedaeng
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How many aircraft carriers in the region?  When Obama says the troops will all be out from Iraq, they simply get moved to Kuwait.  Ive worked out there at Arifjan, a huge base in the middle of the desert , so yeah, troops are already there with equipment....

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:31 | 1952409 In Fed We Trust
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And the proper investments need to be made in CDS contracts to ensure the Jewish bankers get paid with everyvbomb dropped and city exploded.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 19:14 | 1952985 pacu44
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What do you think Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan is? Have you not seen the pictures, they/(we?) have already bombed one site to a sand lot...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:42 | 1951395 Mesquite
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That would make it rhe 11th..

The Illuminati like the 11th..??

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:46 | 1951429 lolmao500
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Ya. But what is puzzling me is that Netanyahu called for early primaries on January 31... which he should be able to do since it goes against his party's constitution. And you add to that his speech, comparing himself to Ben Gurion...

So either Netanyahu is gonna strike Iran before the primaries and say ``see how I'm a great leader?``... or wait for after the primaries so he tighten his grip on his party so he can strike Iran without anyone blocking him...

Either way, it's getting closer. A whole lot closer.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:45 | 1951418 sabra1
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that was janet napolitano bending over! little timmy g. fell out, and is now in rehab for crack addiction!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:21 | 1951296 Captain Kink
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China buys the drone...or just gets it as a "xmas" gift.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:30 | 1951341 SeverinSlade
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It'll be payment for China's recent statement that they can't ruling out starting WWIII in order to protect Iran.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 17:00 | 1952580 boiltherich
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It was a general/college professor that said that, it is not the policy of the Chinese government.  But, I will say Hillary has been suspiciously busy for the last several months hasn't she?  In the run-up to war the Sec. Of State is always run ragged trying to line up allies and limit geopolitical fallout.  Maybe that was what the trip to Burma was about, knowing we can't count on Paki any longer we need a base nearby.  Something tells me we could get evicted from Diego Garcia too with short notice. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:22 | 1951301 Jim in MN
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Blah.  Just....blah.

Meiji to replace cesium-tainted powdered milk

Major Japanese food company Meiji says it will replace about 400,000 cans of powdered milk for free, after samples of the product were found to contain radioactive cesium.

Meiji says 30.8 becquerels of radioactive cesium per kilogram was found in powdered milk produced from March 14th to the 20th. The level is below the government safety limit of 200 becquerels per kilogram, but Meiji decided to replace all of the powdered milk it produced during the period.

The product was tested after consumers questioned its safety last month.

Meiji says all of its powdered skim milk used as a base for other powdered milk products was made before the March 11th disaster.

Some of it was made in Hokkaido in northern Japan, but a large part was imported from Australia and other areas of Oceania, and processed at a plant in Saitama Prefecture, near Tokyo, after March 11th.

Meiji says it has yet to determine the cause of the contamination, but that it may have resulted from exposure to radioactive cesium from the Fukushima Daiichi plant when the processing facility was ventilated to dry the product.

Tuesday, December 06, 2011 16:51 +0900 (JST)


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:35 | 1952437 The Heart
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Hello Mr. Jim from MN.

We all really thank you for your great input around the ongoing Fukushima ELE issue.

If you could please join us at site and add your commentary to the articles that keep coming along, you can be sure that many of us would sincerely appreciate your additions to the forum.

Thank you for being a bright light in this field and again, we would all like to invite you to come over and shine at

Bless you and yours and many good wishes to everyone here that shares so much enlightening info and commentary.

Merry Christmas?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:23 | 1951304 Cdad
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In retrospect, perhaps they should be stockpiling brent.

Are you kidding?  They are probably selling all forwards into the bid.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:23 | 1951306 zebrasquid
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We do this, and Emperor Nero will have met his Waterloo (maybe along with the rest of us).

I guess that's why he is getting out of town to Hawaii.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:32 | 1951348 knukles
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Ah hah!
The olde "Don't blame me, I was on vacation." trick.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:38 | 1951374 Spastica Rex
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You have to use "Ye" with "Olde."

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:59 | 1951507 knukles
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Ye Olde "Don't blame me I'm not really an American citizen." trick.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:14 | 1951612 mick_richfield
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But you shouldn't use "ye" or "olde" if that was meant to be read in a Maxwell Smart voice.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:24 | 1951669 Jena
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You missed it by that much.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:43 | 1952112 falak pema
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waoow, its only 6" !

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:30 | 1951710 Ahmeexnal
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He needs to start another war so he can be awarded yet another Nobel peace prize.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:19 | 1951645 Dr. Richard Head
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Come to think of it, Obama was on vacation when he, without ANY oversight of CONgress, invaded...I mean kinetically acted in Libya.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:11 | 1951946 knukles
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Good catch.....

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:24 | 1951310 Shizzmoney
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TBH, it's IRAN.  These motherfuckers are always on war alert....granted most of the time its on making sure women don't have the ability to drive or read.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:28 | 1951327 Tsar Pointless
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Oh, you know what they say: Fascists will be fascists.

Whether of the Islamic or Christian flavor, a fascist is still a fascist.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:34 | 1951355 dwdollar
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Surely you are talking about the American Empire puppet of Saudi Arabia and not Iran?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:37 | 1951371 john39
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no shit.  since when does defending yourself against imminent unjustified attack make you the fascist?  oh wait, 1984....

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:12 | 1951952 knukles
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We've always been at war with ourselves.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:40 | 1951385 The Swedish Chef
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Actually female drivers are quite common in Iran and the country has the regions best educated women. Try again, dumbass.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:49 | 1951446 lolmao500
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Indeed. If we would really be into bombing ``backwater dictatorship full of terrorists`` we would be bombing Saudi Arabia and then Pakistan.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:51 | 1951462 falak pema
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you've forgotten n° 1 target; Washington DC. There, fixed.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:09 | 1951465 Normalcy Bias
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Persian women are also frequently very attractive ...especially when compared to those mustachioed Arab babes.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:15 | 1951618 DionysusDevotee
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Oh brown people are brown people for most of this country.  I actually overheard a woman a couple days ago say she wouldn't get on a plane if there were Indians, because they might be terrorists.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:18 | 1951637 TeamDepends
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Apparently, you are female and driving yourself right now.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:32 | 1952417 TeamDepends
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Too soon?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:31 | 1951725 Ahmeexnal
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Those persian "female" drivers were born men:

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:36 | 1951754 Ceteris paribus
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That is saudi Arabia where wimen cannot drive , wow another educated shrill

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:24 | 1951311 buzlightening
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Act surprised!  western bankstering covering up all the fraud with another scorched earth policy; WWIII.  Ezero must be at an impasse.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:24 | 1951312 Tsar Pointless
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Is this the right time to have our president don a flack-jacket, give a press conference, and utter the words "Bring it on!"?

Just asking.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:35 | 1951362 knukles
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"I am the commander-in-chief."

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:01 | 1952199 BigJim
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Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:25 | 1951318 TeamDepends
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Piss off the rest of the world then slash your military budget to the bone.  Genius!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:30 | 1951337 john39
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even with the proposed bullshit cuts (from future expenditures) the U.S. military budget still dwarfs what other countries spend, even in relative terms.  Apparently spreading peace and destruction, er... democracy demands it.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:41 | 1951393 Spastica Rex
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You can bomb the world to pieces but can't bomb it into peace?  They'll keep trying!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:26 | 1951322 SAME AS IT EVER WAS

Go long on 2000 gallon gas containers.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 13:48 | 1951440 SwimmininNawlins
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I didn't think gasoline stored very well...  Am I mistaken?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:00 | 1951514 Citxmech
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Diesel's better.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:00 | 1951517 Missiondweller
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Good question. I keep some stored in order to "bug out" when needed.


You can buy gasoline preservative or just use it evry 6 months and refill.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:16 | 1951975 Clay Hill
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Thanks for the reminder, just finished testing the genny.

Still running on the gas I filled it with over three years ago.

The trick is to double down on the Sta-bil, and fill the drum to the top (no air pocket).

Works fine in small equipment, no idea yet what it'll do in a car.

Also testing long term storage in HDPE drums, currently at 18 months or so, seems O.K. so far. YMMV.

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