Iran Outlines Key Steps And Actors In A Potential Straits Of Hormuz Closure

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While the Iranian war game naval exercises have been ongoing for almost five days, or half of the projected 10, tensions in the Straits of Hormuz region have been rising culminating with today's interchange between the head of the Iranian Navy and the US 5th Fleet (which for various reasons we can not present you with a status update today). One question that remains is just what would a closure of the Straits looks like. Luckily, the Middle East Media Research Institute's blog has caught a release by an Iranian website Mashreq News, which spells out the step by step details of just how such a closure would be enacted.


In response to threats by Western countries to impose oil sanctions on Iran, the Iranian website Mashreq News, which is close to Iranian military circles, posted an article on December 15, 2011 outlining military measures that could be taken by Tehran to close the Strait of Hormuz should the regime choose to do so.

The article enumerated the forces and weapons that Iran could employ in such a military operation, including fast attack craft carrying anti-ship missiles; submarines; battleships; cruise and ballistic missiles; bombers carrying laser-, radar- and optically-guided missiles; helicopters; armed drones; hovercraft; and artillery.

It stated that despite Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's statements that Tehran would not initiate a military confrontation but would retaliate harshly if attacked, "there is no guarantee that [Tehran] will not launch a preemptory strike on the civilian level, for instance through cyber-warfare or by means of economic pressure, including by closing the Strait of Hormuz and cutting off [this] energy lifeline for an indefinite period of time." It added, "Should additional sanctions be imposed on Iran, especially in the domain of oil export, Iran might keep [its] oil from leaving its territorial waters."

In a further threat, the article stated that Iran would in the future be able to attack the 480-km pipeline with a capacity of 2.5 million barrels/day[1] that the UAE is planning to build in order to bypass the Strait of Hormuz in order to neutralize Iran's ability to disrupt the world's oil supply: "As for the plan... to construct a [pipeline] from the UAE that will be an alternative in times of emergency in case the Hormuz Strait is closed, we should note... that the entire territory of the UAE is within range of Iran's missiles, [so Iran] will easily be able to undermine security at the opening of this [pipeline] using weapons to be discussed this report."

In accordance with Iranian doctrine, the article pointed out that these weapons would actually not be necessary because there would be suicide operations, and added that "the faith of the Iranian youth, and their eagerness to sacrifice their lives, will sap the enemies' courage."

Despite statements by Iranian government spokesmen, including Oil Minister Rostam Qasemi and Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast, that the closing of the strait is not currently on Iran's agenda,[2] Majlis National Security Committee member Pervez Sarouri said that the Iran would be conducting 10 days of naval maneuvers, called "Velayat 90," beginning December 24, 2011, to drill closing it.[3]

Satellite view of the Strait of Hormuz connecting the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman

Kayhan editor Hossein Shariatmadari, who is close to Khamenei, called on the regime to announce immediately that Tehran would close the strait to vessels from the U.S., Europe, Japan, or any other country participating in imposing oil sanctions on Iran.[4]

At a press conference on the subject of the Velayat 90 naval maneuvers, which commenced on December 24, Iranian Navy Commander Habibollah Sayyari said that his forces would be capable of closing the strait if asked to do so.[5]

It should be noted that Iranian officials have previously threatened to close the strait as a means of deterring Iran's neighbors and the West (see previous MEMRI reports from 2010, 2008 and 2007).[6]

The following are the main points of the Mashreq News article on closing the Strait of Hormuz.[7]


Fast Attack Craft

The article stated that since it first introduced fast attack craft for use in the Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988), the Iranian navy has immeasurably improved the craft's "ability to face advanced enemy combat vessels, much less cargo ships. These boats are equipped with sea radar systems; advanced electronic communication systems; sea-to-sea cruise missiles, both short-range – 25 km – and medium range; medium- and large-caliber [sic] torpedoes; and naval mines, along with traditional means of warfare – including semi-heavy machine guns, missile launchers, and shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles. These sea craft are capable of blocking the Strait [of Hormuz] for a brief or an extended period, and of facing enemy warships trying to open the route.

"In addition to their high speed and abovementioned equipment, these sea craft are highly maneuverable. Their ability to operate at night, aided by the requisite accessories, as well as in stormy weather, has been demonstrated repeatedly in recent years, in maneuvers both minor and major. Their successful record includes stopping submarines from countries beyond the [Gulf] region that aimed to cross the Strait of Hormuz, and supporting [Iranian] submarines threatened by enemy warships in the Indian Ocean... Iran has various types of naval mines, both stationary and remote controlled. This weapon [i.e. the mines] may, if necessary, be operated by Iranian boats and submarines [located at] various points in the Strait of Hormuz and the surrounding waters."


The article continued: "The Iranian navy's acquisition of submarines... some 20 in number... has rendered it more powerful than the navies of the [other] countries in the region. Iran's submarine craft can use torpedoes, mines, and missiles, and can remain submerged for weeks in order to accomplish a mission. Apart from the Russian Kilo class submarines, the Nahang, Ghadir, and Fateh class submarines have been pre-fitted for the waters around Iran, especially the Persian Gulf... These submarines can remain stationary in the water and can evade various enemy radar and sonar systems...

"The Kilo class submarines can carry 24 mines or 18 large torpedoes, while the Fateh class submarines can carry 12 torpedoes and/or eight mines. In addition, there have been reports in the international media stating that Iran has equipped the Kilo class [submarines in its fleet] with Hoot torpedoes...

"The Ghadir class submarines can also successfully participate in the operation [to close the strait]... [These] are small submarines manned by one or several people. Known as 'wet submarines,' they are used for commando operations, laying mines, and firing torpedoes... and can operate in narrow and shallow areas."


The article stated that "Iran has various classes of missile ships, warships, and destroyers. These marine craft are capable of launching four 'Nour' anti-ship missiles, which have a range of 120-170 km, [even] over 200 km. Additionally, these warships' 114mm and 76mm guns... can threaten various [types of] ships. [Iran's] warships can [also] threaten submarines while simultaneously operating together with the rest of the [Iranian naval] force in closing the Strait of Hormuz."

Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles

It continued: "We divide Iran's missile force into two groups: cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. They possess a wide variety of ranges and destructive capabilities. Coastal launchers for Kowsar short-range missiles and for Nour and Ghadir missiles [with a range of some 200 km] have so far been displayed, and the Naser-1 medium-range missiles are launched from Qare'a triple-barrel missile launchers. These launchers are independent, meaning that if they are deployed near the coast, they could detect and identify naval targets and attack them without the need for supporting systems from [Iranian] air and naval units.

"These systems can cover most of the Strait of Hormuz if deployed and camouflaged 70 to 150 km deep into Iranian territory, or even in the Kerman province [in southeastern Iran]. The Iranian armed forces possess these systems in abundance, and they are ready for deployment."

Ballistic Missiles

The article noted: "...Thus far, three types of anti-ship ballistic missiles have been displayed in Iran: Khaleej-e Fars, Tondar, and Sejil. Khaleej-e Fars missiles, with a 300-km range and a 650-kg warhead, are designed to destroy enemy warships. The missile can be prepared for launch in a few minutes due to its use of solid fuel and advanced guidance systems. It strikes the enemy ships from above, traveling at Mach 3, reaching [the target] in a short time and at an acute angle.

"The triple-barrel launcher for these missiles provides sufficient firepower from the first launch; it increases the operational effect of the missile, while decreasing the enemy's ability to retaliate. Based on photos of the missile, it uses an electronic guidance system, which ensures its effectiveness even against the enemy's electronic warfare. The missile's speed, angle of approach, and impact from above are effective points in its modus operandi. We can estimate that the enemy's chances of intercepting it are miniscule.

"The Tondar missile, whose range is estimated by experts to be 150-250 kilometers, operates alongside the Khaleej-e Fars missiles as a short range ballistic missile... and their combined operation can significantly raise the chances of hitting the target... The [Tondar] missile can cover the Straits of Hormuz from deep inside Iranian territory. The Khaleej-e Fars missile can cover the Western Sistan-Baluchestan area, the Kerman province area, eastern and southern Fars province, and all of the Straits of Hormuz."

"The most terrifying of all Iranian missiles is the Sejil long range missile. It has commonly been considered merely a surface-to-surface missile, but the armed forces recently announced that it can also be used to destroy naval targets. Although not much is known about the missile's guidance and targeting systems, the missile has shown great accuracy in hitting a predetermined target. This missile, with a range of 2,000 km, can reach speeds of Mach 8 to Mach 12 (2,700-4,100 meters per second)... Its warhead weighs at least 500 kilograms, helping it to destroy the target. This missile can be used to cover regions beyond the Strait of Hormuz even if deployed on the northern Iranian coast, or at the most distant point in northwest Iran. It is a two-stage rocket powered by solid fuel, and reaches great speed at the end of the first stage [of launch]. It is difficult for the enemy to detect and track it during the first stage, because it uses several methods to reduce its radar signature... Thanks to its high velocity, the chance of it being hit by enemy defense [systems] is even smaller than the chance that they will hit a Khaleej-e Fars missile.

"Such missiles would be launched from deep inside Iranian territory because scattering launchers over a larger area will make it difficult for the enemy to detect them, will limit the means the enemy will be able to use to destroy them, and will also allow the launchers to be relocated and re-camouflaged.

"Although the enemy is much more likely to detect lower-velocity missiles... the combination of the use of these weapons in areas both closer and farther away from the shore and the increased number of targets... can maintain their effectiveness."

Bomber Jets

The article stated: "Iranian fighter jets can carry various types of air-to-surface missiles that can operate against naval targets, including air-to-surface missiles with optical, laser, and radar guidance; Nour and Ghadir missiles adapted for aerial use; C-801K and C-802 missiles; as well as Kowsar and Naser missiles. [Iranian] Air Force jets can carry up to five such missiles.

"Additional missiles for naval targets include: limited range TV-guided Maverick missiles; Qassad-1 and Qassad-2 optically guided bombs with a range of 30-50 kilometers (Qassad-3 bombs, with a range over 100 kilometers, will become operational soon); and Russian-made KH-25 and KH-29 missiles with laser and optical guidance, which can be mounted on Su-24, Su-25, and MiG-29 jets. Their range is 10km-30km, and they have medium destructive capabilities.

"In addition, KH-58 long-range anti-radar missiles, which can be mounted on Su-24 jets for attacks on enemy warships, will play an important role in closing the Strait of Hormuz.

"The array of missiles and bombs with varying ranges will assist Iran in operating remotely against enemy frigates and warships."


"The Shahed 285 helicopter can carry Kowsar anti-ship cruise missiles, and Mi-171 helicopters can launch Nour long range missiles, and apparently Ghadir missiles as well. These helicopters, along with Cobra attack helicopters, can threaten merchant vessels and enemy warships."

Flying Boats

"Only one model of flying boat has thus far become operational in Iran. In fact, it is a new type of plane that can land on the water, and can be equipped with anti-ship missiles. This boat can take off from the water, from various points on Iran's coast, and can operate against enemy warships together with aerial defense."


"The Iranian army drones are used for anti-ship missions. The Karar drone can carry four Kowsar missiles. Due to its speed, the drone can increase the potential energy of the missiles and extend their range. The drone has a range of some 1,000 km; it is launched by a rocket, and when it reaches the correct range, it launches the missiles. Karar drones can carry dozens of missiles to the enemy warships.

"The Karar drone is made from materials that allow it to evade radar detection and get close to enemy vessels. Nevertheless, the drone can also use missiles like Naser-1, for large areas."

Artillery and Surface-to-Sea Rocket Systems

The article also claimed that Iranian security officials several times pointed out that guided bombs are actually being used against moving naval targets. It said that the range of Iranian artillery shells is over 40 km, and that they can be used to harm or destroy enemy ships. It added that during maneuvers, Iran had successfully utilized the Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 rocket launchers against naval targets.



[1], November 21, 2011

[2] Sharq (Iran), December 15, 2011; ISNA (Iran), December 14, 2011. An article on the Mardomak website, which is operated from outside Iran, stated that the closing of the strait was an empty threat: "As long as Iran's economy is dependent upon oil, and the export of crude oil passes through the Persian Gulf, the closing of the Strait of Hormuz will remain [nothing but] a verbal threat... Even if the tension between Iran and the U.S. increases considerably, the closing of the strait will not be an option. Iran will respond to the pressure by other means.", December 22, 2011.

[3] Fars (Iran), December 13, 2011. The oil minister denied reports that Iran plans to close the strait as part of the exercise. Mashreq News (Iran), December 16, 2011.

[4] Kayhan (Iran), December 13, 2011. In addition, a group of Majlis members circulated a petition defending Iran's right to close the strait in response to oil sanctions. Kayhan (Iran), December 19, 2011.

[5], December 22, 2011.

[6] See MEMRI Inquiry and Analysis No. 615, "Iran Demonstrates Its Deterrent Strength in Military Maneuvers," June 14, 2010,; MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 2029, "Iran Threatens to Close Strait of Hormuz If Attacked," August 19, 2008,; MEMRI Inquiry and Analysis No. 407, "Iran's Response to Western Warnings: 'First Strike,' 'Preemptive Attack,' Long-Range Ballistic Missiles, 'Asymmetric [Guerilla] Warfare,'" November 28, 2007, .

[7] Mashreq News (Iran), December 15, 2011.

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tallen's picture

In other news today:

Iran says it chased away a Western helicopter that approached its navy war games area and did not leave until three warnings were issued.

Yesterday, a chopper which belonged to the trans-regional countries tried to approach the region of Velayat 90 exercises, but it left the area when it received a serious warning after it ignored two other warning signals of our units," Lieutenant Commander of the Iranian Navy Admiral Seyed Mahmoud Moussavi said.

Gulf of Tonkin all over again, watch some US helicopter get shot down after going into their war zones airspace and that'll be the excuse for launching a war against Iran. The US is already trying really hard to make Iran launch a war on the US by all the massive sanctions.  Get Fox news back on to herd the sheple saying all Iranians are crazy terrorists and Iran has nukes and we're set for go. It's coming folks, war with Iran. Obama will proudly proclaim that we're winning the war on terror and we'll go out killing shepards in Iran so we can get their oil. (Hey maybe he'll get re-elected!) It's super-happy-keynesianism fun times. 

It's been a while since the US has been empire building, Iraq was such a long time ago. What better way is there to start a massive spending program than launch full out war? Then we can inflate away all America's problems.

It's Time to start that oil crisis portfolio: Oil names (XOM, PBR etc), Ethanol (PEIX,BIOF), Defence Names (LMT, BA, NOC).

Charlie's picture

Don't forget SU, CVE, CNQ.

wanklord's picture

The only way Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) can justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental United States: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians.This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to subsequently be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran's IRGC and Pakistan's ISI.

Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The psychological impact of this event will elicit the brute and ignorant populace to demand a massive retaliation against the alleged perpetrators (explicitly Iran); the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these mules in order to further their agenda.

Absent of this essential prerequisite (a false flag operation), President Soetoro won't be able to persuade US Congress to issue a formal declaration of war.

Advoc8tr's picture

Detroit?  Kills 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak?

DeadFred's picture

But would anyone notice? /sarcasm, really I promise

OldTrooper's picture

I believe you, Fred.  You absolutely reek of sincerity...really, I mean it!

Oh regional Indian's picture

The way things were at the end of 2011.

People on Internet Message Boards spoke casually of cities being destroyed, nuked. While nervously giggling "I'm kidding". Yes, Detroit, a few million people....tch tch....anyways, let it go.

Doity bumbs away!



trav7777's picture


As is the claim that Iran's youth willingness to sacrifice their lives will frighten an opponent.  Recall Patton's comment on this.

RafterManFMJ's picture


This just in - thought it was relevant



WASHINGTON—In a 30-minute video released Thursday, al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri criticized the mass transportation infrastructure of the United States, claiming significant repairs and upgrades would need to be implemented before the militant group would consider destroying any roads, bridges, or railways with terrorist attacks.

Reading from a prepared statement, al-Zawahiri blasted the U.S. government for its lack of foresight and admonished its leaders for failing to provide Americans with efficient and reliable modes of public transport to reduce traffic congestion, lower carbon emissions, improve air quality, and supply suitable targets for terrorists.

"The al-Qaeda network is fully prepared to continue the jihad against the American infidels by launching deadly attacks, but your outdated and rusting transportation infrastructure needs to be completely overhauled for those strikes even to be noticed," al-Zawahiri said. "We want to turn your bridges into rubble, but if we claimed credit for making them collapse, nobody would ever believe us."

"We'd really just be doing you a favor because then you'd actually have to rebuild them," al-Zawahiri added.

The al-Qaeda commander confirmed his organization initially hoped to cripple travel in the United States by destroying its nationwide high-speed rail system, but had been shocked to discover no such thing exists. Calling it a cost-efficient, modern way of travel that would serve as a boon to small businesses and the national economy, al-Zawahiri implored U.S. officials to invest in not just one high-speed passenger train network, but many of them, so they could all be blown up simultaneously in a signature al-Qaeda attack upon the nation's major population centers.

Throughout the threatening video, the terrorist leader questioned the priorities of American politicians, asking why they would refuse to fund engineering projects that would create jobs, bombing opportunities, and new ways for the U.S. compete globally.

"It's ridiculous that the Netherlands, the world's 16th-ranked economy, is continuously investing in its infrastructure, while the No. 1 economy simply refuses to enter the 21st century," said al-Zawahiri, adding that Americans should be ashamed of having only one operational high-speed rail line, considering the Dutch have 120. "And of course, we don't want to bring the Netherlands to its knees and make its people question the unholy excesses of their way of life. No one would care if we did that."

"Also, to the Great Satan American leader Barack Obama: Investing in mass transit infrastructure would have positive, long-term effects for the environment," he added. "Stop being so shortsighted."

Al-Qaeda sources confirmed that members of terror cells living in America regularly complain about the extreme difficulty of traveling around the country and say it has prevented them from doing their jobs effectively. A plot to destroy O'Hare International Airport was reportedly abandoned after constant flight delays made coordinating an attack nearly impossible.

In addition, al-Zawahiri said a terrorist attack on O'Hare couldn't make the commercial aviation center any worse.

He also revealed the terrorist organization had wasted six months planning to take down Amtrak's regional operations before realizing that with its constant delays and malfunctions, the government-owned passenger train service "basically terrorizes itself."

"We spent countless hours on training, surveillance, and intelligence-gathering for absolutely nothing," al-Zawahiri said. "We falsely assumed that disrupting key Amtrak lines would instill fear and cause chaos throughout the nation. Unfortunately, the overall impact and limited number of casualties wouldn't even make it worth the effort."

While al-Zawahiri mainly focused on reprimanding the U.S. for not updating its mass transportation system, the al-Qaeda leader also recommended the government repair sewage treatment plants, dams, waterlines, and the power grid.

"Frankly, America is a complete mess," al-Zawahiri said. "How could we even think about cutting electricity across multiple states, leaving millions of Americans terrified in darkness, when there are brownouts all the time? And of course, we would like nothing better than to poison your lakes and rivers, but it looks like you already beat us to it."

"At least the Empire State Building is still standing," he added.,21008/?



strannick's picture

'Like nothing more to poison your lakes and rivers?' Wow, they really are their own worst caricatures. More holier than though ideologues ready to sacrifice civilians as collateral damage for the Cause.

The 'you beat us to it' tone of the article was hilarious though

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

So you really don't know what is about?


Bendromeda Strain's picture

The hipsters at The Onion really are too cool. I would like to invest in the snark index, as we are rapidly overtaking England in this precious commodity. Snark fills the belly, warms the hearth and balances budgets. It obviously does in England, anyway... 

I wonder what the cool kids really think about the export of pollution?

Oh wait, giant brain Joe Biden cleared that up for us already...

StychoKiller's picture

The more truthful the comedy, the funnier it is! :>D

Element's picture

Clever stuff, laughed til I saw stars and stripes ... al-Zawahiri should just concentrate on the Washington Monument ... as it's apparently very very important ... for some completely unfathomable reasons ... that CNN and NBC never get around to explaining ... but ya just know it really matters ... alot! ... really really lots and lots

economics1996's picture

Another Middle East war that drains resources and diverts attention away from China and Russia.  WTF lets just make Netanyahu the president of the United States.  Really what the fuck is the difference?

Of course if we drilled for oil in America we would not be in the Middle East, except for pirate clean up duty. 

john39's picture

why settle for president when you are already the overlord?

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

More copy-and-paste boilerplate from wanklord. He's been shitting out this particular screed since at least July 9, 2011.

A google search for "most likely a controlled nuclear explosion" (include the quotation marks) will reveal both how often and how far he's been flinging this particular turd.


Midwest Prepper's picture

"Formal Declaration of War"????

You gotta be kidding.


FreedomGuy's picture

You're just too smart by half. Got it all figured out. Nothing, absolutely nothing can ever be what it seems and no one can be what they seem and the bad guys are really the good guys who are really the bad guys acting like good guys because of the behind the scenes script...blah, blah. Your reasoning doesn't even hold up.

Both you deep conspiracists and looney leftists are getting boring these days.

Max Hunter's picture

You're a fucking clown.. Freedomguy?  Really?  What the hell does that even mean?  Is that like the "Patriot Act" being anything but patriotic?  Don't worry.. You'll be counting the dead (again) from the Amercan war machine soon enough..

Rick Masters's picture

A question to you and all other commentators of similar feelings of disgust towards most Americans: you seem like you want to rebel yet the people you hope to join you and rise up you call mules and have an all enveloping feeling of hatred towards most people in the country, so why not just drop out and get land in Wyoming or somewhere remote and say fuck it? Moreover, is the animosity a result of the President? Were you this angry before the last Presidential election? Because to me, your (and a lot of people of your political persuasion) seem to think Obama is the source of all our problems and caused this mess. I don't see it. Obama inherited the leadership of a country spiraling towards depression. I personally believe that out problems stem towards decades of mismanagement but I wonder if anything I say could ever change your mind even in the slightest. Seriously, I feel some of the way people call the President is fucked up. Nobody on the right gave him the slightest chance and hated him from day one. He was elected in a landslide. Don't get me wrong though I think the way many liberals disrespected President Bush was fucked up too. The thing is it seems to be open season on the First Lady. Nobody on the left ever was nasty towards Laura Bush. I think we need a fundamental change and will believe that no matter who wins. But will you? Will this board shrivel up and die if a Republican is elected. Hint: it wont cause I remember when this board wasn't so political. I been here since day one. The politicization of the comments has drove lots of people away and I think a lot of people who comment forget the site isn't a right wing sight. Nor is it left. Its apolitical mostly and just wants to shed light on darkness.

pine_marten's picture

Obama "inherited" a marvelous opportunity which he has squandered.  His hope and change mantra was a cruel joke.  When you sit in church and listen to the preacher shout "God damn America" I guess it has an effect on one's thinking.............

n8dawg84's picture

Great avatar.  I'm your huckleberry

Pangasius's picture

I'm sick of this pity for the poor president. "Nobody gives him a chance", wah, wah, wah. They elected him FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you douchebag! What more chance do you want?!?!? The point is he squandered his CHANCE and has sent this country spiraling ever faster towards some authoratarian, Borgian, nightmare. Our freedoms are rapidly disappearing down a godamn black hole and everyone wants sympathy for FUCKING OBAMA. Get a clue asshole, OBAMA is doing fine and so is his hypocritical wife. Save your pity for the unemployed, homeless, desperate, hopeless, old,young, abused, indebted, swindled, plundered, raided, audited, lied to, decieved, impoverished, beseiged, bombed, shot, vaporized, irradiated etc. No doubt the country was going down before he got there. How dare you imply he has done anything to help us (the private sector). You may be a public sector D.C. type who is bathing in the fraudulent "wealth" created for all like parasites but rest assured out in the real world people truly are suffering and deserving of sympathy. That guy in the White House is not one of them.

DionysusDevotee's picture


Its pretty damn simple actually.  We can't "run to Wyoming" because totalitarianism is total.  Ever hear of Emminent Domain?  "First they came for the....."  
And no, this has abso-fucking-loutly NOTHING to do with either leg (democan or republocrat) of the "two party" system.  They all work for the same damn bankocracy, as anyone with brains and will enough to operate Teh Internets can tell you.  The people that concern themselves with the Presidents Barbie acessory wife are simply engaged in a surrogate, reality television version of politics designed to divert people from actually looking behind the curtain, and anybody who is REMOTELY awake can see that.

And, no, the masses, the "I wonder who's on top of Britney Spears today!" crowd is not who we "hope will join us and rise up."  The people who have a clue about what is going on have given up on the idiocracy a long time ago.  They are the Sheeple who need to stay out of the way. 

The founders ultimately didn't give a crap about their "B issue" political differences, (they wrote letters to each other about them and worked together anyway), and they didn't wait for the sheeple to quit with their daily distractions and pull their heads out of the sand.  They knew that they were cornered by an empire and the squeeze was on.  Those are the people we hope will "rise up and join us", because they are the ones that recognize that there really is no other choice. 

DionysusDevotee's picture

And I should add, it is perfectly justifiable to be more upset at this president than the last, the increasing slide into a fascist tyranny will do that to freedom loving people.

reddog's picture

OBAAMA  =  BUSH III                

We are suffering from 30+ years of

Reaganomics  (VUDU economics, as papa Bush called it)  and yet, half the population continues to believe in the mantra of that faith: deregulation, privatiztion, militarization, no taxes, just print the money.  The supply side is endless.

SAT 800's picture

"Iran outlines key steps in Iranian Leadership Suidcide"; there all fixed for you.

caconhma's picture

So far, NATO was very good fighting enemies who did not fight back? Qaddafi and Saddam were good examples. They both were smart-ass cowards.

We don't know how far Iranians will go defending their country.

What if Iran starts attacking NATO military and civilian targets in Europe? Iran has plenty long-range missiles covering at least the half of Europe as well as Israel. Remember, when Hesbollah started attacking the Israeli homeland, "invincible" Israel had to back up. Iran is a much bigger “fish”.

The bottom line: NATO can inflict a very serious damage to Iran but it might become a large and very costly war and the USA and its NATO allies will be very sorry they started.

What will people in Europe and the USA think & do seeing a massive loss of lives in their own countries?


dark pools of soros's picture

both of their airforce were destroyed in days..if not hours..  not much you can do after that but bitch and moan

strannick's picture

Iran attacking Europe? I think you have the Islamic Republic of Iran Army mixed up with someplace more consequential. As for Iraq being cowardly, seemed they kept the armies of the Islamic Republic of Iran pretty busy for 8 years, before taking on the Great Satan itself, twice . And anyway, dont worry, Isreal would bitchslap the fuck out of them before they even thought of it.

sof_hannibal's picture

Strannick you are correct.

blindfaith's picture

Gota wonder how many of those Iranian jet pilots would just keep flying into the great beyond and land on a NATO/US base and ask for assilum ( and a nice grub stake like the Cuban's get ( $10,000 and a JOB ahead of everyone else...incase you didn't know).

The fools in Iran just might do something stupid believeing their GOD will lead them to victory.  Then again, their God may just turn their country into a fucking weed field, and move on.

So tired of this crap.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

blindfaith said:

So tired of this crap.

No kidding.

By the way, you do know that the Iranians worship the same God as the Christians and Jews, don't you?

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever." -- Thomas Jefferson

The fools in America just might do something stupid believeing their GOD will lead them to victory.  Then again, their God may just turn their country into a fucking weed field, and move on.


duckhook's picture

There is only one way for the Iranians and the USA to engage and that is if the USA wants it.Within 4 days ,all missle  and air defenses  will be taken out by Israeli and USA air power.And their navy ,what a joke.Then comes the destruction of all military oil and diesel supplies.Oh I forgot about their nuclear facilities.We will not need any land forces to destroy Iran.they will destroy themselves.This is all pure bluff and everyone knows it.

FreedomGuy's picture

Theses Arab and Persian armies all know what awaits if they try to go toe to toe with a Western army. I think you are generally correct that it is bluff and I would add bluster and bullying toward other Arab states. However, I think the religious leadership is crazy and stupid enought to do something. I doubt that their Army will actually try or want to carry out anything. They know they will all die within hours or days.


onthesquare's picture

life immitating art.  This is a scene right out of taxi-driver "you talking to me?".  then off to dirty harry "..well do ya punk?"

Another sequal just like Rocky 5 .

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

FreedomGuy wrote:

Theses Arab and Persian armies all know what awaits if they try to go toe to toe with a Western army.

This is true, and the Iranians know it. That's why their defensive strategy revolves around asymmetric warfare. Unfortunately the chickenhawk war cheerleaders won't realize this until the US military gets its nose bloodied.

I think you are generally correct that it is bluff and I would add bluster and bullying toward other Arab states.

You are correct in your interpretation of the foreign policy of the United States for the last sixty years: bluff, bluster, and bullying, especially in the middle east. Nobody likes a bully, which is why this arrogant foreign policy will be pointed to as a key factor in the decline of America and the downfall of its empire.

However, I think the religious leadership is crazy and stupid enought to do something.

While not all of America's religious leadership is insane, it is certainly true of the ones which have sought, and gained, political power and influence. They've been trying to get World War Three stirred up in the middle east for years, and I share your concern about them doing something crazy and stupid.

I doubt that their Army will actually try or want to carry out anything.

Correct again. American military strategists know that attacking Iran would be a huge mistake, and so far they've been able to withstand the cheerleading from wargirls like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Carl Levin, and Joe Lieberman. Let's hope that reason triumphs over jingoism.


Canaduh's picture

"Iran outlines key steps in Iranian Leadership Suidcide"; there all fixed for you.

Put up or shut up you fucking chickenhawk.

Instant Karma's picture

Iran has some cool toys. Should be a great exercise for both sides in using missiles, aircraft, subs, ships, electronic warfare, etc. A great training tool. Whittle down the blow hards stash of weapons too.

I am more equal than others's picture

Will it take a nuke 'accident' to reveal the 12th Iman?  Glass and dusted ass coming soon to an Iran near you.

john39's picture

who knows what ugly surprises wait.  that is what happens in war, and its well past time for these monsters to pay...   and I am not referring to Iran.

strannick's picture

If you are not referring to Iran, you should include Iran

Haywood Jablowme's picture

Why not throw Russia and China in at the same time you dumb-fuck....


rosiescenario's picture

Just a modest suggestion, but why send a helicopter into their naval exercise when we could be bugging them with drones? I might also suggest that the drones be booby trapped so if they cpture one again it goes boom, after they land it....when they are inspecting it...."Hey Omar, what do you think this red lever is for?"