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But do they need to occupy? The US & Israel regimes are capable (militarily and morally) of bombing Iran back into the stone age, without using nukes. The more munitions are used in the 'fight to spread freedom'. the more the MIC profits. They don't care how many people die, or how it impoverishes the rest of us.
Hedge I hate to rain on your neocon parade but the US navy already ran a war game against the iranian fleet and got there ass kicked if I remember correctly 16 battleships and 1 aircraft carrier were sent to bottom in this simulated exercise
Jesus Fucking Christ...BATTLESHIPS??
Yea, you're not even remotely aware of what you are attempting to talk about.
Others fired Silkworm cruise missiles from close range, and sunk a carrier, the largest ship in the US fleet, along with two helicopter-carriers loaded with marines. The sudden strike was reminiscent of the Al Qaeda sneak attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Yet, the Navy was unprepared. When it was over, most of the US fleet had been destroyed. Sixteen US warships lay on the bottom, and the rest were in disarray. Thousands of American sailors were dead, dying, or wounded.
If the games had been real, it would have been the worst US naval defeat since Pearl Harbor.
"If the games had been real, it would have been the worst US naval defeat since Pearl Harbor"
Good point....errrr....what the fuck are you talking about?
So, in a thermonuclear 'pretend' war game, the US obliterates Iran. Had it been real, Iran would be a radioactive kitty litter box. Who gives a fuck.
Well, it was a US military run war game, so I guess the US Military gives a fuck. Even if neo-cons don't.
Holy shit! The US ran a mock war game against Iran, lost it miserably (greatest since Pearl Harbor) and then provided YOU with those results? Wow, that's amazing. Who are you?
It was in the news. Try reading it some time.
Operation Millenium Challenge in 2002:
Iran says it would only refuse passage to US/related shipping, this would leave out 3d party shipping.
Iran's prob: it's dependent on dollar trade, it shifted to euros (choke), it needs to shift to yuan but cannot escape its own dollar trade.
It also cannot refine its own product.
US should stifle the saber rattling and work to undermine Iran govt. from within. Saber rattling only lends credibility to the same govt. Iranians loathe the government and desire to be rid of hated mullahs, nobody w/ brains in Obama administration.
Xeno --- stop beating your head against a wall === if they don't get -- they don't get it.
Those of us that know -- just know... :)
i've tried to tell many --- they don't really want to know..
Assuming the world's most well-funded military hasn't taken on board the lessons of war games held almost ten years ago is assuming a bit much, don't you think?
I'd imagine the various Admirals who are in charge of keeping the Straits of Hormuz open have looked at the results of those wargames and shifted tactics somewhat.
That's not to say the US won't come through unscathed, but what do the MIC care? The more our asses get kicked, the more military spending there'll be.
Boilermaker lost. Take it like a man and learn something new. Fight another day.
The neocons will give you a reach around and even let you wear your little armchair general outfit. Just remember, you gotta yell; "USA USA" to the rhythm, or it breaks the mood.
What you speak had much to do with the top brass as well as civilians in the top slots in the corporation. The results were pumped to increase funding via DOD via Raytheon via SPAWAR, and Nasco, et al. To push funding for LCS platform and new LPD class and fast boats; and less to do with reality; more to do with funding and money...
And trust me, the Navy is chomping at the bit to continue to look relevent. Very dangerous situation. There is also a substantial difference between what Iran's real navy could or would do, and what the revolutionary guard wishes they could do. I reiterate that the Iranian Navy (actual) has no real/true interest in any sort of fight or aggressive tactics. Also, unconventional ship warfare is, again, a mute point here due to US submarines-- if you are really interested in the topic due more research into fast attack US nuke submarines with Janes; all other platforms including these amazing speed boats [of Iran's] are irrelevent. Iran subs pose no threat. Iran knows this. Its all posturing; if something does happen, I am convinced it was due to baiting by US or "NATO" forces. Mines are the biggest threat.
In a 'thermonuclear war', EVERYTHING is obliterated, including your ignorance.
What does not get obliterated, is a chance for our contempary universal reality and all its participants to escape the corruption, rot, and inevitable self destruction that would be inflicted on it by tyranical theocratic fascism with monopolistic military power.
I do and here's why.
If America uses nuclear weapons on Iran, Russia
and China probably won't risk MAD AT THAT TIME,
however, I can gaurentee you nuclear warheads
will 'find their way into the hands of so and so
unknown groups demanding freedom for Monarch
butterfly's who proceed to serial nuke American
Cities in a long drawn out protracted war of nuclear
In the words of Jimi Hendrix "Can you dig it baby' ?
Did you know Jimmy Hendrix was in the 101st Airborne?
Or that Stephen Stills claims he was in Vietnam before the first official uniformed troops?
Hendrix lasted 3 months post BASIC and was chaptered out for misconduct; for being far too cool for the Army :-)
I can gaurentee you nuclear warheads will 'find their way into the hands of so and so ....
At which point the US will obliterate the first nation to resort to nuclear 3rd party terrorism. You do realize that nukes literally come with a goddamn fingerprint of isotope ratios yes?
All Russia and China have to do is dump all the US debt they hold. Boom.
And we have a winner. The US problems will be so deep and many we couldn't possibly foresee them all. The bully on the playground would get his punch in the nose and all he would see is the circle of onlookers laughing with joy..
Aww, c'mon, thats nothing that murdering a few million innocent brown people wouldn't fix, right? USA! USA! USA!
Remember boys and girls;
SMITE MAKES RIGHT!
You are absolutely right...globalization; its real, we're all brothers now through debt... 750 trillion.of it
Credentials, references, footnotes?????How do you know this?
Err I pick J five.... argghh youve sunk my battleship!
This one was funner:
Boilermaker...Sorry warships that completely changes everything I just said
It must've been a video game. There are no battleships on active duty. There is no scenario where that crap happens. While they could get off a lucky shot here or there it isn't likely. There is no winning scenario for Iran in any naval engagement of any type. Believe me, their navy knows it and they would surrender on sight.
You go girl! Set 'em straight!
We don't need no effen war with anyone!
I'm sick of it already!!!!!
How the FUCK is sonar used against Speed Boats? A torpedo against a highly manueverable and 60+ knot speedboat? Don't think so...and as far as I am aware AGEIS is comprised of networked radar and missle systems primarily as an air defense system?
Obama won't nuke anyone. The demise and humbling of America is one of his prime objectives in my opinion, that is if he can make it compatible with re-election.
Its like trying to smash individual ants with a hammer. Suicide bombers on boats
In general, do you happen to know the threat to our sub and surface fleet from Russian designed supercavitational torpedos (it is my understanding that the Chinese and Iranians have such weapons deployed)? As they are reportedly rocket propelled, they can travel underwater faster than the speed of sound which creates timely detection and reaction problems.
It was a US leutenant colonel running the guerillas and yes, they did embarass the fleet. However, that is not the same as an Iranian admiral in actual combat against the only military that is properly trained for warfare.
We don't have to come within 1000 km. We just destroy Tehran. Take out a few Mosques, bomb their airbases and create enough confusion to allow the existing rebel elements to overwhelm the Revolutionary guard. Get a clue...
There are 8.5 million people living in Tehran. Something to think about before you suggest that we destroy it.
And a lot of them hate their government too.
How many Iraqis were killed? Do you really think any banker cares about how many Iranians in Tehran die? Quit being a child. There are games being played and the players could care less who lives and dies.
Military strategy requires that you attack an opponent's weaknesses and protect your strength. Iraq was supposed to put up a fight. The Iranians haven't been in a war except with Iraq, long ago... The Fog of War is a cruel mistress.
What will Iran attack? What if no ships are sent into the straits? We have a strategic oil reserve. We have forward bases, troops in the area, NATO resources and Israel.
I fully understand that the US is an imperialist, fascist socialist state. That doesn't mean I close my eyes to reality. There is no power in the world capable of contending with us in the mideast.
As for China, we merely have to throw them a bone, Russia as well. All Elites are on the same page.
If the Iranians pose little or no threat then please remind me of the justification to attack them in the first place.
If you agree that an attack on Iran would be a war of conquest masquerading as a war of liberation and defense (just like Iraq) then recall that history is replete with empires which continued to gamble until the day that they gambled and lost.
That's a slightly longer view of reality.
When has the US needed justification to attack a country when it wanted their resources or to console Israel? At this point, I still see no gamble. The Elites have their own games to play- we are just on one side or the other.
Justification? Wha? Well, OK...
A) They are Brown people.
B) They are Mohammadians
C) We have to hit them back first.
"There are games being played and the players could care less who lives and dies. "
As long as it isn't a banker!
Where this "think" is going, its not 8.5M that counts...It may be 850M+++.
Try not think about country lines...
instead think sheeples being served up the altar.
Human's last stand.
There's a documentary on YouTube called The War You Don't See. It was banned in the US so the American people wouldn't know what really went on in Iraq and in Gaza. I would suggest that all these macho neocons watch it and get a clue as to what if it happened here!
Exactly, Sean7K. And it is worth noting that it was our wargame and these are held for the very purpose of learning from them. We learned. The Iraq war accomplished its purpose by eliminating the endless threats of Saddam against the Emirates and Saudi Arabia. Saddam's tanks did enter Saudi once, from Kuwait. Saddam did devastate the Kuwaiti oild fields. That whole bit is over. Our troops in Afghanistan could make a stopover on their way home. I think the threat against the Strait of Hormuz is cause enough to move on the military core of Iran as such a closure would devastate the asian and european economies very quickly. Imagine having the monthly threats backed by tactical nukes. That's our future if we no not act soon. Some choice: Hell now or bigger hell later.
The only monthly threats I see are coming from the Western countries and Israel.
I guess Isreal figures a nuclear-armed Iran is plenty threat enough.
And yes, yes Isreal already has the bomb. Do you think there is no difference in danger between Isreal having a bomb, and Iran? Or in the interests of fairness, maybe everyone should have one? Once upon a time there were great marches in Europe calling for unilateral disarmament, which the West's leaders thankfully ignored as the naivete of silly students. Years later we hear from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (another neo con?) how the Soviets couldnt believe their good fortune. Once upon a time Stalin was the darling of the intelligensia of the day, and then Mao...as defenders of the workin man, against the imperialistic fascists. Now the Islamists seem to be inheriting this mantle.
That's Israel's problem. Not ours.
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