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Iran Test Fires Second Missile In 24 Hours As Posturing Escalates

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As expected yesterday, when the US went out full bore with a Japan approach of McCollum-like strategy of leaving Iran no option but to keep escalating until finally the US has enough public support grounds for a response, in under 24 hours Iran has launched a second missile, this time not a medium-range SAM to a long-range shore-to-sea missile. Needless to say, the US 5th Navy is watching these quite welcome developments with great interest. From Reuters: "Iran said on Monday it had successfully test fired a long-range missile during its naval exercise in the Gulf, flexing its military muscle to show it could hit Israel and U.S. bases in the region if attacked. The announcement came amid rising tension over Iran's disputed nuclear programme which Western powers believe is working on developing atomic bombs. Tehran denies the accusation and last week said it would stop the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz if the West carried out threats to impose sanctions on its oil exports." At this point it is glaringly obvious to all but the most confused that the US is consistently pushing Iran to escalate further and further, until such time as the US ships stationed in Bahrain say enough and decide it is time to sink some boats.

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"We have test fired a long-range shore-to-sea missile called Qader (capable), which managed to successfully destroy predetermined targets in the Gulf," deputy Navy Commander Mahmoud Mousavi told the official news agency IRNA. Iran earlier said it would test fire two long-range missiles on Monday - Qader and another system called Nour (light) - to display its resolve to counter any attack by enemies such as Israel or the United States."

Where it gets interesting is that in what is a certain show of solidarity for Syria, Iran's Mousavi said observers from the country's closest Arab ally, Syria, would attend the last day of its 10-day naval exercise.

The rest is already well-known:

The European Union is considering a ban - already in place by the United States - on imports of Iranian crude.

 

The U.S. Fifth Fleet reacted to Iran's threat to stop oil flows, saying it will not allow any disruption of traffic in the Gulf.

 

The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran if diplomacy fails to resolve the Islamic state's nuclear row with the West.

 

Iran said it had no intention to close the Strait of Hormuz.

 

"No order has been given for the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. But we are prepared for various scenarios," state television quoted navy chief Habibollah Sayyari as saying.

Probably the best advice we have at this point is to keep an eye on what Goldman's commodity research group is saying: if they tell clients to dump Brent, we are probably minutes away from full out war. Until then, the foreplay will continue.

 


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Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment ExpendableOne
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Aside from gathering intel on the missle telemetry, this is not going to amount to anything just yet.  Next fall after "obambi" figures out he's headed for a blowout defeat, he'll do something.  Until then, it's all a dance.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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Only a Democrat can succesfully impose austerity on Americans.

TBTB need austerity imposed on Americans.

Obami is a Democrat.

Obami will win.

QED.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:12 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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Ron Paul will allow austerity upon America if he wins. Obama will impose austerity by diktat. The difference bewtween Paulian austerity and Obamian austerity is that Paul's will come with freedom, and it will be the logical debt-deleveraging of a free market, which if endured, will snap us into whatever new reality we must face sooner than Obama's central-planning ever will. As for the freedom aspect, sure, it might only be the freedom to ride frieght trains in search of work, but it will be preferable to the FEMA camps that Obama has in mind

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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Paul will never be allowed to win, but if he does we can all celebrate.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment wretch
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If by "we" you mean corporations, I agree with you.  Otherwise, you're a fucking fool for celebrating a Paul win.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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If Barry is a democrat, how come he keeps acting like a neocon republican?

Obama has the best chance of all the republicans so far to win the nomination and the election.   He also has Wall Street's money behind him.

This doesn't mean I'm pleased with the prospects.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment CPL
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Next US election, if there is one, it'll be the richest fucker that wins the sock puppet show as usual.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Schmuck Raker
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<--- Trust Iran more

<--- Trust Goldman Sachs more

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment j0nx
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That's pretty telling right there. It's also very sad that if you put the option to trust Iran or the US Govt. more you'd get a similar result. Very sad. Even sadder that the people think that but do nothing of substance about it.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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What specifically should the American people do about it?  Elect a socialist president who will act for the people against Goldman Sacs and the banking oligarchy?  I think we tried that.

I'm all for trying to elect Ron Paul now -- just to see what will happen.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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"What specifically should the American people do about it?"

Erect a National Razor and have at it. Stand outside Squid HQ and hang everyone that walks out the doors. March on The Capitol and White House and take them over.

Or, keep on doing nothing like good slaves.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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Just check out the article about what FDR had to do just to get Americans to fight the Japanese, and you want to try to convince them to fight ourselves?  We aint that hungry yet. (yet.)

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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I know. I don't expect anything will happen until the money stops flowing and the "gibs me dats" losers start to riot. Then, if anything, the inbred fucks that think it's all "the niggers" or "the mooooslims" fault will put down their banjos long enough to ignite a race war(just as TPTB would like).

However, if the people of the USA can disabuse themselves of the notion that politicians, bankers, and lobbyists are part of "ourselves", as opposed to traitors of the highest order, worthy of no quarter(but, certainly, quartering), then there is a slight chance of fixing things, at least temporarily.

The terrorists are not in Talibanistan, they are in NY and DC. All three branches of the government have been taken over and stocked with people who are hostile to the foundations of the United States, true domestic enemies. And I do not say that lightly.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment wisefool
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I am so old now that I can not discern the difference between

  • the "proud, industrious folks" with a teacher/buerocrat for a 3rd wife, step children, and a "hard working job" interspersed with months "working for the state" (unemployment) Driving a truck chasis based vehicle (san spinners) who hate other people.
  • -and-
  • the "proud, cultured folks" with a teacher/buerocrat for housemate, her kids and my kids, a "hard working job" interspersed with months "working for the state" (welfare) Driving a truck chasis based vehicle (with spinners) who hate other people.

Its all the product of statism. And ohh yes, they would love to have a "race" war so that they can make worse for everyone in the process of "fixing it", just like they did the last time, producing the above. They just dont want a class war or debtors revolt. People in the revolving door of Media-Gov-Finance-K-Street simply can not be effective leaders without accrutriments. And they need foriegn adventurism to keep the brain sharp.

Ron Paul 2012. 90% chop out of the tax code. Audit the fed. Make sure there is a declaration of war every time. Live free. rEVOLoution.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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Voting for Ron Paul isn't the worst action one can take. However, I would like to point out two things:

1. CONgress will do *NOTHING* he asks of them.

2. He will be assassinated.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment wisefool
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1. Well that would be okay. The thing about the ponzi is that somebody does have to keep typing the numbers in the computer like an espisode of the TV show "Lost". Have you ever noticed that at the end of every year, the congress critters like Pelosi/Kerry/McCain have to scramble to pay themselves (keep the government open), cause they spent the whole year making sure their "contributors" (usually a spouse, as in these cases) got legislation all year. Ron Paul is not going to go along with this yearly "urgent" absurd display of "self sacrifice". If you make a good product, people will buy it. you don't need a 75,000 page tax code to put food on the table and wood in the fire.

2. I think being 76 years old, with a life long commitment to non-agression principles, should be a signal to people that he is a patriot willing to accept certain "sacrifices"

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment swoop72
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well, he WOULD have a slew of dictorial powers at his disposal.....

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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ok, but what about the niggers?  angels all?  its just the jews that are the problem, right?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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I hear the slot machines calling you....now GO!!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Racists used to hate Jews as well as blacks. I wonder what happened?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 19:28 | Link to Comment Tompooz
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"Racists used to hate Jews as well as blacks. I wonder what happened?"

 

They became more discriminating?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 19:58 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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That's hilarious. I doff my cap.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment The Fonz...befo...
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I hear your frustration Conrad...the plan is to give them enough rope to hang themselves with....the corner of the room is fast approaching and there is nothing but fresh paint surrounding them....

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment optimator
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It would be the most interesting campaign since Goldwater/Johnson.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment 11b40
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This is a ZH reader poll.  The general population would vote much differently.  Most know very little about either GS or Iran.  In fact, most don't know much about the US Govt, either.  That's what is really sad.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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Goldman sachs will only steal 90% of your money but

Iran will kill 90% of your family with their nukes.

so fuck Iran. We should have paid saddam $100MM a year to fight the Iranians for us.  Big Mistake GWB

1979 payback is a long time coming.

Death to the Mullahs. 

Use their beards to polish our drones.

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment CPL
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What nukes?

 

Look, Iran is being used as bait.  It'll be a Russian or Chinese nuke that kills you.  However the squid thinks it can "control" this war. 

 

This war will be a war of Atrophy, who runs out of gas first literally.  Once the lights go out at Goldman and JPM, it is only at that point are TPTB are going to understand the horrible mistake they made.  It will be shortly after that, all the security they've hired to protect themselves walks away and leaves them naked and vunerable.  If their hired security detail doesn't finish them off first for the sake of good taste and bounced checks.

 

Not before making the US public pay for it first though with oil, blood and time. 

 

 

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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It's those DUMBs that bear looking into CPL. 

But overall, I think anyone planning too hard on surviving this is wasting time and evergy. Most of the work being called out is inner work. 

Exponential growth in Death & Destruction (at the every least, of liberties) is a given at this point.

You cannot shoot your way out of a camp whose fencing is mobile and can track your every move.

So, what is the smart play? Lot's of people feel pumped by their physical arsenals. Look at soldiers. Awesome Arsenals. The best that money can buy, and yet they are PTSD'd and chemicalized and drugged into becoming the walking dead. 

ori

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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what's the smart play for someone trapped in a world like yours by his/her "inner work"?

perhaps you should take a vow to stop fuking spamming and see what happens...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Hulk
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fingers to thumbs

ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,ohm,

and for you inverse R types

mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,mho,

Suddenly I see that maps is spam backwards, and I think turtles.

Its an infinity of turtles all the way down...

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I believe it's the Iroquois peoples who refer to the North American land mass as Turtle Island - prophetic vision, eh.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment CPL
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Best position in this situation is to have no position and wait.

Start learning skills that were important 200 years ago.  Buy tools and books then learn how to use them while these fools are off attempting to suck up the last bit of carbon heroin make sure you are on the other side of the planet.

 

I'm not sure how many here have trained in martial arts, not that faggotry known as mixed martial arts or Krav Magda, I'm talking boxing, judo, karate, savate, etc. 

What is the first rule any dojo teaches?  Best type of fight is the one you don't into. 

Second rule is find your exit and run. 

Unlike the typical movie stylization of one man versus the world where the ammo is unlimited and the canned goods grow on trees. We are not superheros, just people that need to understand our limitations.

There will come the eventual realization that it will be time to rebuild.  The more of us there are available, the easier it will be to build again.  If the opportunity comes up to draw and quarter one of the scum bucket families that put the world into this shape, we'll take it.  Right now though, everyone is at full strength.  It would be incredibly hazardous to approach any of the Powers that be right now.  They are crazy, violent and can't think beyond their own hand to mouth needs.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment trav7777
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so building a compound here and stacking 2000lbs of silver is a bad idea?  oh noze

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment CPL
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It's a silly idea to build a bunker.  Can't hide from anything going on in society because we are always interacting with one another.  That's kind of the point of having a society.

 

Best case is stay out of the line of fire until entrophy takes it's course properly.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 20:57 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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I hate to break it to you ORI but your INNER world means jack shit. It's a complete fucking lie. Relying on your Inner Voice for information and nourishment is like relying on a government fucknut for drugged toxic water supply that you pay for. I spent years on the process and tore the shit out of it intellectually in a year of analyzing.  It's not your goddamn body and it's not your goddamn emotions. Thinking is air. Feeling is water. Feeling is simply compressed cooled air. Like liquid oxygen. And the thoughts are all attempted to be main streamed and parroted to make the emotion juice work right.

The I ching has a bunch of stuff about the well. About it being cleaned out and about nobody going to it anymore. Etc etc. This place is called the castle of illusion because well it's built by FUCKING LIARS. Accept it. Deal with it. I'll never incarnate onto his planet again. Because the rote you have to "accept" to get here I won't read, I won't digest I won't fucking agree to it. I'll simply throw it back into your fucking face forever and ever and ever ever.

You should do a couple of cycles with pluto in cancer or pluto in 4th house. Work on shutting your shutters. You see you are trying to get "white" people to accept a "nature" when it's got nothing to do with them. I don't kill animals and I don't eat animals but if I incarnate in a body here I HAVE to in order to be healthy. Stop putting the blame on ordinary citizens and put it where it fucking belongs. The jackasses who "talked you into coming here" so they could fill you full of holes and take away your completeness that you already had to start wtih. Until you shed all humanity and become a light "sprite" like a ball of light with just a face or image on it. And blink out of here. Your'e not bill nye the science guy learning jack shit. You're another idiot in the idiot machine.

Oh and read "The People of the Monolith" you won't learn anything about your base nature or your "evolvement" but you will get an understanding of predators that run this place. I haven't had a dream or any sort of communication with the powers that be that aren't completely full of shit for months and months. And they control the "focus" the truth won't be baked into the cake as they tossed the "good ingredients" out months and months ago. Some of my blockers and cofusers and diffusers still work but it's nothing but control and lies. Like being trapped in a psychopaths dungeon.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:47 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Ahh, again how I love threads with CPL and Heph.

Merci!

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I too enjoy your rants Heph. . .

You should do a couple of cycles with pluto in cancer or pluto in 4th house.

Rumsfeld - sun in cancer, balsamic conj. with pluto in cancer. . . wide conjunction to amrka's sun in cancer, also dubya's sun in cancer, who also has saturn in cancer, both 12th house. . .

that pluto in cancer/4th house is some heavy shit stirred, and pluto in cap will see the undoing of what has been believed in, what was created from the believed in, as the trust unravels, daily. . .

gotta tear down the belief structures, burn back the fields for a fallow period. . . of indeterminate length. . .

by the way, you are THAT which you seek, duality is the illusion of "here". . .

see ya round.

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Finally....some knowledge and sanity!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Thanks for proving my point.  It would be hard to find a better example.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment prole
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When is 1967 payback Dave.

Is 1967 payback a long time coming?

Send your own drones over there if you want to kill them.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 01:57 | Link to Comment Iwanttoknow
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Death to Luciferans.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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carry on, sad sack!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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<----PressTV/RT/Al Jazeera

<---CBS/ABC/FOX/CNN/NBC/NYT

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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yes, we all know that neither Al Jazeera, nor RT has any agenda.

Try supporting the fairness doctrine over there; youll be swinging from a crane or disappeared.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Fairness Doctrine?  What are you talking about?  Our corporate media owners took care of that little annoyance long ago.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment sbenard
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Should have had a third option:

Trust NEITHER!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Nice to see we have a pair of Squid employees taking the time to read ZH whilst resting from doing God's work.

UPDATE: we now have three.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Rodolfito
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+1 for Trust Iran more, but the trouble is that Ahmadinejad is likely an elite puppet who will take the country to war for the globalist goals including depopulation, despite his impressive speeches at the UN, etc.

http://www.saskfarmersmarket.com/0-1480-is-irans-president-a-globalist-p...

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/... half way down page, there is pic of Ahmad. beside Bush - sure these hand signals are very circumstantial evidence, but why is it that all the world leaders, hollywood stars, and cartoon characters continually make them?

We are all in very deep shit with these creepy world leaders

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment trav7777
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who knew Ahmedinajad was a fuckin longhorns fan and therefore in league with Lucifer?

I am SOZE DISILLUZIONED

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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This post is so Hegelian Dialectical it makes me laugh....out loud!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment boricuadigm-shift
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And I thought this new year was going to be different! 

Peace & Love my friends!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment CPL
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Naw, human constants of stupidity and greed are in effect as usual.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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the only human constant I know of is adaptation. Stupidity and greed are logical outcomes to a neural network trying to adapt to inputs warped by the matrix.
Take care because what you believe becomes true for yourself. Are you stupid and greedy? I guessed so. Then why do you state that they are constant? 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment CPL
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I am both stupid and greedy, but I recognize that in myself.   Oh yeah, I'm also an asshole.

 

You on the other hand would be easy to play with because you don't acknowledge your own faults.  You have given yourself nothing but the ability to become an easily manipulated sock puppet.  By anyone really, so far, all I would have to do is stroke your ego on your intelligence because that is your point of external validation.

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:25 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Although I understand your point - and it is a common weak point for many people - I do not agree, because I do recognize my own faults, and was not implying that I was beyond greed and stupidity. I very commonly note experiences in my daily life where I took a specific course of action because I was fearful or greedy - but this is exactly the point. I am not easily manipulated, because what I strive to do is to constantly expand my awareness, inner and outer. Stroking my ego is the worst thing you could do by now - although I am far from being a master who has transcended the ego, since I am actively trying to leave it by now I have very strong instinctive defenses that go up whenever I feel my ego being pleased or diminished - as much as I can, I strive to constantly witness its state.

Anyways, this was a long parenthesis to try to make you understand what spiritual progress is about. The point I was trying to make is there is no human nature beyond awareness and adaptability, and that stupidity and greed are not constants but rather, in terms of game theory, gameplay strategies that are meant to cope and optimize, which come out of adaption to warped perceptions.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment CPL
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You fell for the trolling and I responded with trolling.

 

QED.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Nice recovery. It's always possible to make excuses post-hoc.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment CPL
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And that would be the same red herring explained on this website.   http://www.thewillpower.com

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Made me laugh. Thanks!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment 11b40
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"And I HOPED this new year was going to be different!"

There....fixed it for 'ya  ;-)

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment s2man
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News flash from MarketWatch: "2012 picks up where 2011 left off".   What would we do without MSM?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:49 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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The only dif between humans and sheep is that humans herd each other.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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I'd just like to thank all you mouthbreathers who voted for Obamanation.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=obamanation

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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It would have made absolutely no difference who 'we voted for'... and you know that.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Correct. But I had to gauge the guilt level of those who actually voted in their candidate and are now full of voters remorse. Shame is powerful, just ask your friendly neighborhood neurologist or cognitive scientist.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Lucius Corneliu...
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McCain, arguably, would have been worse.  That guy is not only a psychopath, he is violent as hell.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment trav7777
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eh...I can't honestly see much difference.  Muhcane would have been relentlessly hounded by the MSM for the warmongering (only because he's on the other team)

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment carguym14
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I wrote in Ron Paul-he would have made at least a small difference.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Ag Star
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GeneMarchbanks:   You're the only fool left that doesn't know they're all puppets!  And Ron Paul won't be elected or selected so get over it already.  He's 77 years old,  they'll "slip him a mickey" and instant heart attact and death.    

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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I made no mention of Paul.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Slip%20a%20mickey

Are you suggesting someone wants to date rape Dr.Paul or am I just a fool?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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Don't mean to be blunt but I won't give them my mind, I'm voting for Ron Paul. 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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 He's 77 years old,

 

Ron Paul is 76, as in "Spirit of."

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment whoopsing
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The squid is still here, why would this year be different?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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Does Iran know Barry won the Nobel Peace Prize?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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I think Iran is well aware what Alfred Nobel did to deserve the dubious honour of having his name on a peace prize.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Just FYI to the Yanks, Swedes are well known practical jokers throughout Europe. During that speech I bet half of the Swedish population was engaged in a marvelous drinking game...

Do not take prizes seriously unless you are under 7 years old...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment richard in norway
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peace prize is given out by the norwiegens. obama got the prize for not being bush, carter got the prize for not being bush, al gore got the prize for not being bush. what they really wanted was to give bush the biggest warmongering asshole award but alfred didnt create that award

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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+1 LOL. Thanks for that! 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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I stand corrected. Norwegians are the pranksters not Swedes. Swedes are the dirty porn producers, I believe. They love "Bush".

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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Are Norwegian jokers too? They choose the winner for Peace Prize

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment walküre
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LOL +1000

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Fubared
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so just fiy, the peaceprice happens to be decided in Norway. Not Sweden. We still do the drinking game though.

 

edit: fyi

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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It's time for ZH to report on how and why the US Constitution was just thrown out the window...

"Obama Signs Legislation Killing Bill Of Rights; Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Rachel Maddow Skewer Obama; Road To Tyranny; Complete List Of Senatorial Cowards Backing The Bill"

Video of Rachel Maddow taking on Obama at link... Hat tip to Mish for posting what few have the nads to post...

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/01/obama-signs-legislation-killing-bill-of.html

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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But he said he felt reservations?  Doesn't that give you comfort :)

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"But he said he felt reservations? Doesn't that give you comfort :)"

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No... But I suppose this destruction of the Constitution is part of Oblamer's promise of "Change We Can Believe In"... :)

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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As a constitutional scholor, at least he is aware of what he is pissing on... and that's different somehow from Bush who didn't.  Results are the same.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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I think it's a wash all around, Obomba has such a transcendental understanding of The Old Relic, it is so far beyond what we mere mortals could possibly hope to grasp.  People clearly now have a right to free health care, day care, spa care, cellphones, and premium cable.  Obomba's Stash, bitchez.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment Betty Swallsack
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Hopey Changey Peacenik Man. Hey, somebody give him ANOTHER No-Brain "Peace" Prize because he's done oh-so well to date.  Pfffft!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Watched it. having already been emotionally drained at the civil liberties level from other sources, this presentation in the context of MSNBC made me think it is setting up a second "justice system" to create jobs. kinda like the TSA. American law is not that hard, but it does require a time comittment. And few people would be willing to retrain in their 30s to become lawyers. Especially considering most people now adays top off their student debt levels with just undergrad alone.

They cant really reduce the training requirement for traditional lawyers. But they could set up these hitler youth, whose only qualifications (and vetting) need to be loyalty to the DR party, so these folks can conduct "long extensive reviews" of these cases. In the old days, these were the "jobs" for prison gaurds. I guess it is still the same. we'll have people locking each other up in their own homes and surveling.  the rank and file will be HS/G.E.D. folks. The company officers will have "some college". The Judges will be folks with degrees in poli-sci and communications. They can join the teachers union and we have perfect little gestopo.

Meanwhile, not a single wall street exec (corzine included, madofff excepted) has gone to jail. And we are going to start another trillion dollar war 'cause we want to "save" money on fuel costs.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Doesn't that give you comfort."

Cold comfort for me, he did want the US citizen language in it. It came out of committee without it. Properly so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6ARkiJM2bA&feature=player_embedded

“the administration asked us to remove the language which says that US citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section.”

When its all said and done, he will be percieved as one of the most schizophrenic in our history.

I'm confident (having observed his Alinsky nonsense now for three years) the intent was to set up this strawman signing statement in the first place.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment walküre
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Obama = patsi

nothing else made sense from day one

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Well, whether a patsy or an accomplice, its pretty clear anyone who bought into the solar stock hopium he was pushing in 2008 flew a little too close to the sun ;-)

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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But he said he felt reservations?

I believe that when the Golfer-in-Chief said that he had "serious reservations" concerning this bill -- he was referring to the FEMA camps...

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Last_2_Sense
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As in "I have some seriously badass reservations built for you."

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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But he said he felt reservations?  Doesn't that give you comfort :)

 

He meant that he's going to send you to live on a reservation.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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The Cherokee nation will return... will return...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment centerline
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There is also legislation currently being proposed that changes the language related to instinances wherein American citizens can have citizenship stripped.  Seems like a perfect compliment to NDAA.

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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I can't believe more people aren't talking about this. You'd think there would be an uproar. The fact that it basically gets glossed over by the MSM leads most people to believe it's no big deal, I guess. Even here on ZH, it seems that most people are just kind of shrugging it off. Can't happen to me, kind of thing. I think we're all so distracted by other people, events, crisis in our own lives that this kind of thing barely gets more than a disgusted shake of the head.

Where is all this leading? Are our freedoms being quietly undermined for a nefarious purpose by a malevolent coalition of behind-the-scenes manipulators, or is all this (prolonged detention, SOPA, Patriot Act, etc.) just bad timing and coincidence?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment NumberNone
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There is a reason why it was signed on New Year's Eve in private at a Hawaiian vacation home.  Cee Lo Green changing the words to 'Imagine' created more outrage that night.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment LoneStarHog
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Obozo became a Constitutional Scholar since the first rule of war is to know your enemy, the U.S. Constitution.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment nmewn
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He views all the founding documents as a collection of "negative liberties". Which is all anyone needs to learn about his views.

The government/state is supreme to him...not the individuals who give their consent to it.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment eurogold
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Snidley...your the best! I also can't understand it. Outragious that people are not taking to the streets about what Obama just signed. Unless the elite is expecting ( and planning on ) massive civil unrest in the near future.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Outragious that people are not taking to the streets about what Obama just signed.

They were in the streets... Didn't you see them all on Times Square on New Years Eve... Dick Clark was trying to keep order...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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"Obama Signs Legislation Killing Bill Of Rights; Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Rachel Maddow Skewer Obama; Road To Tyranny; Complete List Of Senatorial Cowards Backing The Bill"

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Once again, this exposes US citizens.

How many months from the election?

Obama as a US negro has been very extremely limited on personal power while being allowed on par on institutional power.

Very instructive.

If that negro, who has proven to be your typical US citizen, felt that the US public would support him and empower him to stop that bill that went through senate, he would have done as this would have helped his incoming campaign.

Obama, to secure your freedom or something like that.

Now as a negro low on personal power, even if as a man, he might oppose to the bill, his level of personal power does not allow him to oppose actually the bill.

So once again, what is going on appears clearly.

This bill is supported and wanted by the US People.This bill is the expression of the US citizens popular will.

No fence here.

The institutional power is energized by the will of the voters in that soon to come election period of time.

And, Obama, as a negro, does not wield enough personal power to stage a masquerade. He cannot oppose the bill on ground of personal beliefs as he has no personal power.

Only remains what matters the most: the popular will of the US People.

Obama does not want such bill but cannot oppose it as it knows it would blow up his chances at getting reelected.

In US citizenism, there is no discontinuity between the elite and the base.

That bill is the expression of the US citizens living in mother town, the US of A.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Kook

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Seconded.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Last_2_Sense
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And a third, 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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He will be noted and branded forever for this................ 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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So does that mean that I'm going to be running into Rachel Maddow in a FEMA camp?

Jeez, this 2012 is getting off to a worse start than I'd ever imagined!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Arrowhead
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Don't get all squishy now. War is what we have done since we sprouted opposable thumbs to throw rocks.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"Don't get all squishy now. War is what we have done since we sprouted opposable thumbs to throw rocks.

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Arrowhead... assuming you are posting to my comment...

The US managed to have countless wars without throwing the Constitution out the window.

Why would a war on Syria, Iran or any other soverign require the destruction of the Constitution?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment centerline
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For so many to rush in and support outrageous legislation like this (and other bills) speaks volumes about what Washington knows is coming (or suspects might be coming with a high degree of probability).

Is not war related of course.  Is geared for dealing with an internal failure of the economic system which I am sure the thinktanks have all concluded will result in a mess of epic proportions - some areas hit harder than others.

Yeah, it also speaks to the apathy and general ignorace of Americans as well.  In a better day, folks would be marching on Washington over this.  Not today.

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"Is not war related of course. Is geared for dealing with an internal failure of the economic system which I am sure the thinktanks have all concluded will result in a mess of epic proportions - some areas hit harder than others."

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Exactly right. +1... You are the first to mention that this bs legislation is not related to foreign wars but to possible internal social disruption... Perhaps I sould have used 'probably internal social disruption'?

This legislation is joined at the hip to world financial dislocation and those that say otherwise are simply not looking closely enough.

Martial law on deck. Prepare by keeping some food/water and whatever else you deem necessary for survival on hand.

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment gnomon
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The martial law will start with the commencement of hostilities with Iran.  Sleeper Cells of Hezbollah and Hamas operatives will start to shoot things up in the U.S. in spectacular fashion with maybe some Dirty Bombs exploding in various city centers around the nation, probably avoiding the hard targets and going for something in between the left and right coasts.

Obummer will see this as an opportunity to gut what is left of the Constitution.  Enemies Within and Without, Surrounded and Penetrated.

Any day now, our world will change forever.

Iran is Obummer's friend, but he will slap them down to get where he needs to go.  Iran needs to be slapped down, but not for the purposes of finalizing the death of what is left of the Republic.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Betty Swallsack
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No worries, Snidley, you now have the NDAA as law that has destroyed the US Convalution....(or is that solely due to the actions of the idiot Israel Firster, President Pussy?)  

THE INAUGURATION OF POLICE STATE USA 2012. Obama Signs the “National Defense Authorization Act "

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28441

The President Who Signed Indefinite Detention Without Charge or Trial Into Law http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28444 Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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I'm too old to worry about what Oblammer the Azz Clown, or his handlers/bankers/ war profiteers, do or do not do.

I simply find it sad that I lived long enough to see America come to this current state of affairs. 

America, nor any soverign, was ever perfect, but for a period of time America did exhibit some qualities for other world citizens to look up to... even if it was only and always an illusion.

The Bill Of Rights was one of the qualities that America had that many citizens around the world could admire... but no longer.

There is enough blame to go around. It took the efforts of many and a lot of time to cause what we now see unfolding. And for damn sure we will see more of the same.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment newstreet
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Don't worry American, Israel is  behind you.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Schmuck Raker
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+1 Paraphrasing a line from "Stripes"

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'll be the judge of that... You stick to "Banana Splits" rhetoric...

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Drunken Monkey
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Did they at least bring lube this time?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment tedstr
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.......all so that we can defend our best friends Israel...the only people in the middle east without oil.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Israel is jockeying for position on the Gaza gas fields.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment cognus
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Why do you hate fulltime 24x7 state of creeping martial law?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"Why do you hate fulltime 24x7 state of creeping martial law?"

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If your life ends in a FEMA camp perhaps you will understand why.

BTW, I suppose as Americans we will not be able to say "they hate us for our freedoms" any longer, eh?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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People in FEMA camps won't be considered Americans... DUH.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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People in FEMA camps won't be considered Americans... DUH.

People in FEMA camps won't be considered, period.

Read this book:

http://www.textbooks.com/BooksDescription.php?BKN=73111&mcid=XCS-GoogleBase-9780226511924-M&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_term=9780226511924M&utm_source=googlebase

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Thanks...this looks like a good read and soooooooooo applicable to we Amerikans today.

Does it offer ideas for brightening up our cubicles?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Yep.  19 ragheads w/box cutters defeated America - something that the most powerful armies on earth could not do for over 200 years.

Let's face it.  We citizens no longer deserve our inheritance.  The Constitution and Bill of Rights were ours to protect and to defend.  We have failed our future generations and ourselves.

I could write more, but I gotta' go to the store.  We need more beer & chips before the games start on TV!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment fuu
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If they hate us for our freedoms, taking away our freedoms should make them love us!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Mercury
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You're getting carried away.  In fact, Obama wants to clarify that although he can now totally throw your ass in the hole by invoking the magic "t" word:

"Section 1021 affirms the executive branch’s authority to detain persons covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note)."

He won't because he's a good guy:

"Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens..."

http://www.infowars.com/president-obamas-ndaa-signing-statement-i-have-t...

Feel better?

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens..."

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If you are willing to trade the bill of rights for the promise of a known liar then you are a damn fool.

Besdides, he said 'this administration'... he made no such promise regarding the NEXT administration... nor could he.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment s2man
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The way I read it, it already IS authorized. But POTUS can sign waivers excluding a person from detention.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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If you are willing to trade the bill of rights for the promise of a known liar then you are a damn fool.

That pretty much sums it up...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Al Huxley
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Well, thank goodness for that then. I guess it doesn't matter what's written down, as long as the president assures us he won't use the powers he's been granted. Feeling much better.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:02 | Link to Comment xcehn
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Also, rest assured that his administration will not hold any American indefinitely, say beyond an undisclosed period.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment xcehn
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LOL.  When riots hit US streets, disobedient Americans will be rounded up like cattle and disappeared. Everything is already in place at the friendly fascist police state. 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment laserjock
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It takes a lot for Iran to act this bellicose. We must be agitating them very badly indeed to provoke this kind of response.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment john39
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They know what is about to happen. Question is, do they have any surprises waiting. Funny that American citizens basically should look to Iran as the line in the sand against the NWO. God speed Iranian people.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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Like the title of the srticle alludes, this gambit with Iran is a classic "corner them until they begin to snap, and then kill them in the name of self-defense" gambit.

How interesting that the War with Japan began with the US choking off Japan's oil supply by embargo. How long must you squeze your fingers around someone's throat until they begin to weakly flail at you?

Of course, with Japan, we had cracked both their Navy and diplomatic codes, knew their strategy of overwhelming surprise attack, knew Pearl Harbor would be the target, when, how, etc, and of course, FDR, Obama's prototype, let 1,500 Americans get killed in order for us to have the excuse to kill hundreds of thousands more, several milion Japanese, and drop atomic bombs- all for what?

This?

War. Huh. What is it good for?

Vote for Ron Paul. make the madness end!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment rbg81
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Iran has no choice?  How many times have we sent them a message that we don't want them developing nuclear weapons?   About a zillion--to no effect.  So far, they've played us like a violin.  It floors me that some ZHers appear to believe that the world is better off with Iran having nukes.   Or even some that would rather Iran have nukes and the US didn't.   I guess today we have patsies that believe Iran is just a peace loving country like some believed that Hitler would be content after annexing Czechoslavakia.  There's always another fool out there.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"There's always another fool out there"

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Yep... and another troll... and you're it.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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There's always another fool out there.

I'm rubber, you're glue - whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.

Dick.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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one more brain washed into oblivion... it is so depressing, there is little to no hope.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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There is no credible evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. Iran, as a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, is within their rights to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. They have thus far enriched it to 20% U235, which falls far short of the minimum 90% U235 required for weapons. Enrichment to 90% would leave telltale byproduct signatures which would be readily detectable by the IAEA inspectors in Iran.

Iran is not in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and, in fact, appears to take treaties far more seriously than does the United States. Additionally, Iran has for years been willing to discuss and negotiate the details of their atomic research program. It is the United States which has been acting like a petulant child in this regard, refusing to negotiate anything unless/until Iran halts their enrichment program, a program which is in compliance with their Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty signatory status.

The only ones being played like a violin are the dupes and shills of the War Party. Since you're the one invoking Hitler, which one are you: dupe or shill?

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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there is no evidence that Hitler invaded Poland. 

all those old pictures were photoshopped in a jew run studio in Hollywood

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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The Poles should have given him his fucking highway!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment prole
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Another empty meaningless post Dave. Ironically there is no evidence that Russia invaded Poland around the same time D did. I wonder why England and their sacred "treaty" or guarantee to defend Poland didn't seem at all disturbed that Stalin invaded Poland too? In fact historians and propagandists (you are in the second category) have seen fit to forget and erase that weird fact from history ever since, kind of like your attack in 1967.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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They didn't seem to mind that the Bolsheviks invaded Finland either.

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