Iran Test Fires Second Missile In 24 Hours As Posturing Escalates

As expected yesterday, when the US went out full bore with a Japan approach of McCollum-like strategy of leaving Iran no option but to keep escalating until finally the US has enough public support grounds for a response, in under 24 hours Iran has launched a second missile, this time not a medium-range SAM to a long-range shore-to-sea missile. Needless to say, the US 5th Navy is watching these quite welcome developments with great interest. From Reuters: "Iran said on Monday it had successfully test fired a long-range missile during its naval exercise in the Gulf, flexing its military muscle to show it could hit Israel and U.S. bases in the region if attacked. The announcement came amid rising tension over Iran's disputed nuclear programme which Western powers believe is working on developing atomic bombs. Tehran denies the accusation and last week said it would stop the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz if the West carried out threats to impose sanctions on its oil exports." At this point it is glaringly obvious to all but the most confused that the US is consistently pushing Iran to escalate further and further, until such time as the US ships stationed in Bahrain say enough and decide it is time to sink some boats.

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"We have test fired a long-range shore-to-sea missile called Qader (capable), which managed to successfully destroy predetermined targets in the Gulf," deputy Navy Commander Mahmoud Mousavi told the official news agency IRNA. Iran earlier said it would test fire two long-range missiles on Monday - Qader and another system called Nour (light) - to display its resolve to counter any attack by enemies such as Israel or the United States."

Where it gets interesting is that in what is a certain show of solidarity for Syria, Iran's Mousavi said observers from the country's closest Arab ally, Syria, would attend the last day of its 10-day naval exercise.

The rest is already well-known:

The European Union is considering a ban - already in place by the United States - on imports of Iranian crude.

The U.S. Fifth Fleet reacted to Iran's threat to stop oil flows, saying it will not allow any disruption of traffic in the Gulf.

The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran if diplomacy fails to resolve the Islamic state's nuclear row with the West.

Iran said it had no intention to close the Strait of Hormuz.

"No order has been given for the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. But we are prepared for various scenarios," state television quoted navy chief Habibollah Sayyari as saying.

Probably the best advice we have at this point is to keep an eye on what Goldman's commodity research group is saying: if they tell clients to dump Brent, we are probably minutes away from full out war. Until then, the foreplay will continue.

Comments

[Commerce Exchange]

It is time for the coallition of the west.

http://www.ecomm-unity.com/group/financial-crisis-worldwide/forum/topics...

[Global Hunter]

there already is a coalition of the west and its done a good job fucking everything up

[Oh regional Indian]

Seriously Global Hunter, when is enough enough, eh? Never it would seem.

i sense the conflict moving closer to india. Pakistan is so unstable. Now all drone bases have moved to Afghanistan/Uzbekistan.

When will one "lose" its way to India?

Everyone on a hair trigger in 2012, feel like a theme/meme. Thus the expected wild fluctuations in everything. Everything.

What a time to be awake.

Such a huge opportunity to shift something. Something. What is all this brotherhood good for? Infoducation alone? Hats/Mugs and Slogans?

Hmmmm? Such a wealth of resources on this board.

ori

/2012-the-year-of-anomaly/

[pan-the-ist]

Nobody cares about India except Indians - they have their own problems.  Got Water?

[Oh regional Indian]

Perhaps there is an inter-connected humanity that you don't feel a part of? I do. i'm speaking from my perspective. 

It's as much a crying shame what happened in Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya (major ones). Maybe if more people felt more than armchair outrage, something would shift. 

It's a crying shame daily to see industrialization and westernization swallow India in a grinding/grating cacophoney of mis-fit at every level. It's a war of another kind, but relentless and equally damaging.

Same/shame like what happened to the Native Americans, the Latin Americas, Mayans, Incas, aboriginies.

There is something in the genome of whoever is pulling the levers here that cannot co-exist. A dominant gene. Pycopathic and totally lacking any empathy. Coming from the colder climes.

ori

[pan-the-ist]

Rather than get in the way of the bull dozer and get run over, perhaps you can wisen up and step in the drivers seat, that way you might be able to save one or two pieces of your culture... otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.

[hedgeless_horseman]

...the US 5th Navy is watching these quite welcome developments with great interest.

...the German navy had been goaded into a position of 'shoot first, ask questions later'. On May, 7th, 1915 the Lusitania set sail without protection; her course was charted for a known German submarine nest.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/wwi.htm

Thankful that neither I, nor my loved ones, are scheduled to sail on any vessels through the Strait of Hormuz anytime soon.

[Oh regional Indian]

But of course it was a false flag too, as always.

Dog eared playbook keeps winning. Shame.

ori

[TruthInSunshine]

I can feel a Gulf of Reeses incident about to happen, whereby the U.S. will plow a barge full of peanut butter into Iranian chocolate, and claim that Iran "aggressively rammed a molten chocolate laden naval vessel into one of its peanut butter frigates, mixing the two ingredients together."

[AldousHuxley]

why does this URL lead to some youtube video?

http://www.iranwar.com

[AldousHuxley]

The Iran War - How
It Will Begin
By The Earl of Stirling

9-6-8

 

I have served as a consultant to three very high tech aerospace firms. My specialty is conceptualizing advanced warfare especially as it relates to new cutting edge advanced weapon systems. What I see unfolding with a war on Iran is the most frightening set of circumstances I have ever seen; and I have been involved in advanced theoretical weaponry strategy and design for over 20 years.

 

Sometime in the weeks to months ahead, there will be a war launched against Iran. The war may be started by Israel, or by the United States, or by a NATO/EU/US embargo, or by some 'false flag' attack. What matters is that it will begin; and where it will take the world.

 

Regardless if the war begins with a limited number of air strikes against Iranian military and nuclear targets, or if an all-out several thousand target attack begins from day one the probabilities of the war becoming a major regional war within 48 hours are 90% or higher.

 

The Iranians will simply not allow Israeli and/or American military forces to attack its territory without a major response. Any significant counter-attack on Israel and/or American regional bases will trigger a much greater counter-response.

 

The Iranians have equipped and paid for, and trained, a massive unguided rocket and guided missile force in Lebanon (the largest such force in human history). These missiles are in-place as a MAD force (a MAD ~ mutually assured destruction ~ force is one that is a doomsday force; established to prevent the use of overwhelming military force by allowing a return "punch" of overwhelming military destructive force upon one's enemy). The total number of missiles and rockets in Lebanon are variously estimated at between 40,000 and 110,000. While many are unguided Katyusha rockets, many are longer ranged guided missiles. All are operated by Hezbollah Special Forces launch teams.

 

The Hezbollah Special Forces are in-effect a highly trained and well-equipped Iranian commando force of at least a Brigade in size. They man and protect a large number of mostly unguided and rather crude rockets, generally Katyusha 122mm artillery rockets with a 19 mile/30km range and capable of delivering approximately 66 pounds/30kg of warheads. Additionally, Hezbollah are known to possess a considerable number of more advanced and longer range missiles. During the 2006 war Hezbollah fired approximately 4,000 rockets (95% of which were Katyshas) all utilizing only "dumb" high explosive warheads. Some Iranian build and supplied Fajr-3 and Ra'ad 1 liquid-fueled missiles were also fired. It is believed that the larger and longer range missiles are directly under the control of Syrian and Iranian officers.

 

The combination of short to medium range rockets and guided missiles in Lebanon, and the longer range guided missiles in Syria, the smaller number of rockets and missiles in the West Bank and Gaza, and the longer range guided missiles in Iran present a massive throw weight of warheads aimed at Israel.

 

The 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah War (called the Second Lebanon War in Israel) was an attempt by Israel at eliminating the MAD counter-force in Lebanon. It was an attempt that failed. The Syrians had purchased (and supplied to Hezbollah) a large number of very nasty, relatively low cost Russian AT-14 Kornet solid fuel anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) and the Iranian trained Hezbollah commandos dug in massive numbers of concrete bunkers and firing positions. After over 50 Merkava main battle tanks were hit, and the high tech American made warplanes and pinpoint weapons proved ineffective, the handwriting was on the wall. Either use neutron bombs or lose a large number of Israeli solders to remove the Hezbollah threat; or declare peace and walk away for the time being ~ the Israelis chose the latter.

 

It now appears that Israel has given up on the idea of a ground assault to remove the many rocket and missile launchers in Lebanon. A senior Israeli general has resigned with the complaint that the Army is not training sufficiently to fight in Lebanon. The alternative is the use of FAE (fuel air explosive) technology weapons and neutron bombs (a type of nuclear weapon that produces a higher short term radiological output and less blast output than normal nuclear weapons).

 

Any use of such WMD by the Israeli Army on the Hezbollah forces in Lebanon will likely automatically trigger the use of WMD warheads on whatever rockets/missiles remain operational (if their use has not already been authorized due to the nature and scope of Israeli and/or American attacks on Iran).

 

The bottom line of this is that Israel will face a truly massive number of rockets and missiles from Lebanon with radiological, chemical, biological and FAE weapons of mass destruction warheads. Additionally, a sizable number of such weapons/warheads will be fired from Gaza and the West Bank. The Syrians will be using larger more accurate guided missiles to shower WMD upon Israel as will the Iranians. To counter this, the Israelis will be using their Green Pine Radar system and a combination of Israeli and American anti-missile missiles. They will have good success in knocking down many incoming missiles but the sheer number of incoming weapons will totally overload all defensive measures.

 

Large parts of Israel will be contaminated with radiation with extremely long half-lives (many tens of thousands of years in some cases), with a mix of chemical, FAE, and biological nightmares thrown in for good measure. Total deaths will amount to one-third to one-half of the Israeli population with a large additional number being injured.

 

The Israeli response will be the nuclear annihilation of Syria, Iran, and parts of Lebanon with many tens of millions killed. Expect to see every city of any size destroyed. There will be insufficient people left in Syria, Iran, and large parts of Lebanon to even bury the dead. Radiation will spread around the world from the nuclear bombs.

 

Iranian sleeper teams in North America and western Europe will begin to "seed" the populations of these areas with a number (perhaps in the several dozens) of different man made killer viruses. People in movie theaters, churches, synagogues, shopping malls, subway stations, airports, etc., will be exposed without anyone knowing it at the time, to these advanced biowar viruses. About nine to ten days later the computer reporting systems in the western countries will begin to report back strange illnesses. That will trigger a host of measures to contain the advanced biowar viruses but it will simply be too late to prevent a massive outbreak of horrific illnesses. International travel and trade will effectively stop. People will be ordered to stay home from work and school with only critical job holders being allowed on the streets. Hospitals will be overcome with sick and dying people of all ages. The medical community will be among the first to die off. Where temporary hospitals are established in school gyms and other areas, the cross infection of several different genetically engineered viruses will ensure 100% morality of everyone in the temporary hospitals.

 

In the event that the neo-con nations have sought to expand the Georgia war by new attacks on Russian forces or by creating some naval incident in the Black Sea the probabilities of an quick expansion into a all-out Third World War involving Russian and NATO nuclear weapons will be at approximately 50%. Even without a global total war being initiated, Russia is apt to "sweep" the Black Sea of NATO ships with considerable loss of life on both sides.

 

The world will be in the worst economic depression in history as global trade will be halted for at least several months due to fears of the spread of the various advanced biowar viruses. If Israel releases the Arab specific designer advanced biowar viruses, that many claim she has, the Saudis are apt to fire their Chinese IRBMs (intermediate range ballistic missiles) and send their very well equipped air force against Israel with the small number of nuclear weapons that they possess (they have funded the Pakistani nuclear weapon program and have several Pakistani made nuclear devices). Of course, what is left of the Israeli forces will respond with additional nuclear attacks, this time on Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations for good measure.

 

In North America and western Europe the total number of civilians, after two months of advanced biowar illnesses, is apt to be at least a third of the population ~ a total death count of well over 200 million persons. Despite the best efforts of all nations, the man engineered super killer mutant viruses will spread throughout the world causing total numbers of perhaps a billion or more to die.

 

The after effect of all of this may well lead to even more war as the non-neo-con nations will be so incensed at the massive lost of life of their citizens that total global war may be unstoppable.

[Reformed Sheep]

Excellent post - I wish the software behind the blog/forum allowed for better reading - sub-sub-sub-posts get so far indented that it makes it a chore to read, and I'm sure a lot of readers switch off rather than cope with reading a mere 3 or 4 words per line :(

[xcehn]

On the longer comments, I find it easier to read by temporarily turning off browser page "style" (view menu for IE and Firefox).

[eureka]

When a nation spends 30% of its revenue (for example 1 of 3 TRIL) on its military so that it can occupy and or have bases in most of a planets other countries... -

is that individualism or collectivism?

[Rynak]

Neither, because:

- It works on a higher scale than a single nation.

- In this case, the policies are not even decided by nations/populations.

It simply is egomaniac and sociopathic behavior of an elite. A handful of people fucking the globe.

[eureka]

DO the followers, servants, worshippers and henchmen of said ELITE have any responsibility for following, serving, worshipping and doing the dirty deeds of and for the ELITE...?

Are the sheeple co-culpable?

Are silent observers?

Sin of omission? Absence of moral backbone? Cowardice? Willful Unconsciousness? Avoidance, denial?

Blame the elite... - or kill it...?

[Rynak]

Yes, they are co-responsible.

And yes, it is completely irrelevant to your original question.

The way how the US (and many other nations) currently is organized, neither is for the best of most individuals, nor for the collevtive as whole (which is a kinda redundant statement, since there is no difference between the two... individualism and collectivism, just like reductionism and holism, are a false dichtomy).

That populations are co-responsible for letting such a ponzi establish, and continueing to tolerate it, doesn't change "what is". Plus, as i explained above, the question's premises make no sense anyways.

[DaveyJones]

hell yes. they are the only ones who let it continue or don't. History is one enormous, immoral bluff game. Nice post, you live up to your name.   

[my puppy for prez]

No....they are BUSY, very, very busy......playing Wii, Xbox, outfitting their i-devices, shopping, watching football and Dancing with the Stars.  Now, don't trouble their pretty little heads with such unimportant stuff!

[Socratic Dog]

Fuck.

That scenario might explain the rush of the US to produce smallpox vaccine?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/24/experiment...

[xcehn]

Recall the US historically has a less than chivalrous record when it comes to 'experiments.' But half a billion to buy smallpox vaccine now is very unsettling, as the article rightly points out. What would SPECTRE do?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/10/01/130266301/u-s-apologizes-for-...

[Urban Redneck]

Unless the reason for not bothering to test the super secret smallpox vaccine before production is because is only works aginst against a super secret starin of smallpox, I think there is a more rational explanation.

I would look towards the asses in Washington that were greased by the major shareholders and executives of the manufacturer during the last election cycle- there is an election coming up and perhaps they passed along the message- speed up the contract signing, or next time - NO lube...

The old vaccine worked fine, there is a substantial vaccine infrastructure in the US, so the old vaccine could be produced in significant quantities in short order if there was an anticipated need. 

[NumNutt]

If anyone on here is of Arabic descent you might want to start making plans. The US government is already getting their ducks in a row for war with Iran. They just passed the new defense bill that has legislation that enables the government to detain US citizens for as long as they want with no trial.  A lot of conservative groups are freaking out about this latest stunt the Obama administration has pulled.  But the truth is the government did this one time before, anyone remember WWII?  When the US gov rounded up all the Japanese within the country and placed them in camps until the end of the war? Hmmm, sounds to me like they are getting ready for the same thing as soon as the first cruise missiles get launched on Iran......

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/01/obama-signs-legislation-killing-bill-of.html

[Archduke]

being pedantic here, but methinks you mean persian, parsi, farsi.

I guess you could add disapora arabs of the shia extremist bent,

say hezbollah fans.

[Freddie]

SkyNet.

[Rynak]

Nope. In the case of skynet, humans foolishly create something, and that something then turns against its creators.

Here instead, the creators intentionally launch it against their own species.

[Iwanttoknow]

Aldous,thank you for an excellent post.BTW,AH was my favorite author between premed and med school.Only a bunch of of demented sociopath would launch such an attack.Gawd,I have a wife and a child and  shudder at the thought.I have fucking sleepless nights.

[Cyrano de Bivouac]

Depleted Uranium Bitchez!!!

[YHC-FTSE]

@ Aldous Huxley.

It is frightening and plausible, but I remember a similar story by the Earl of Stirling back in late 2006/2007 at the end of GW Bush's term. Then it was the convergence of 3-4 US carrier groups on its way to the Strait of Hormuz to start a war with Iran which would guarantee GW's presidency another term. I was convinced then it would happen, tracked the movements of the fleets and found that I was 100% wrong to believe that story. 

I doubt there are powerful forces in Lebanon, I doubt the volume and veracity of munitions available to them, I doubt the existence of sleeper cells with bio-weapons, and I very much doubt that this convoluted theory would play out exactly in that manner because the Russians and everyone else would have to be incredibly slow and stupid to be decimated by a war of attrition first before finally being wiped out by nukes. They would launch an all-out attack if they knew the play, and obviously they do now. Sorry, the Earl of Stirling is not a credible source, imo.

There is a real danger of escalation, mainly from the threat of retaliation from Iran for crippling their country with sanctions, and a combined Israeli and US strike on Iran after the Syrian air corridor is secured, during which the Russian carrier force in Syria will be perilous close to being involved. When that happens, and Iran keeps its promise retaliate, then you have 2-3 nuclear super powers (USA, Russia, & maybe China) in a hot war with Israeli nukes just to add spice to the whole madness. 

Reuters article on Russian Fleet in Syria:

http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFL5E7MS1XT20111128?sp=true

[CrazyCooter]

You remembered correctly. The article cited is from 2008. You can google the title to find the original. AH put the date in there, but its easy to overlook.

Regards,

Cooter

[YHC-FTSE]

Hi Cooter! Thanks. Always look forward to your posts mate. 

[outofhere]

The sum of all fears!

[HungrySeagull]

THose MOABs will be handy for that Lebanon problem. How many is availible and what will it take to saturate the Lebanese Nation.

[CrockettAlmanac.com]

You've got a noun-verb agreement problem.

[TheFourthStooge-ing]

...among others.

[floridasandy]

that is one ugly scenario.

how about this one-the US dumps obama before a war starts, and the world is saved.

go ron paul.

[boiltherich]

I do not care how it starts.  I care about how it ends. 

[chunga]

Thats some crazy shit right there. Anybody have an explanation? (I'm referring to the mysterious link)

[RockyRacoon]

That's some really weird stuff.  How'd they do dat?

[TheFourthStooge-ing]

It's just a simple HTTP redirect:

Resolving www.iranwar.com... 64.202.189.170
Connecting to www.iranwar.com|64.202.189.170|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGKN7yg60Ok [following]

[chunga]

my tracert stalls at te3-2.mag03.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com. Paging CPL. Why would anyone do this?

[CPL]

kk,

It's the domain admin of iranwar.com changing te redirect on godaddy.  Or it's someone with the account information fucking around other wise.  What you guys found isn't creepy enough.  How this for weird.

The website is registered to Bob Parson, owner of godaddy and Domains by Proxy.  As in Bob Parson's HIMSELF, the CEO of godaddy bought it in 2002.

Check'em

Bob Parsons

Registrant:
   Domains By Proxy, LLC

   Registered through: Go Daddy
   Domain Name: IRANWAR.COM

   Domain servers in listed order:
      NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
      NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

BBB Accredited Business since 10/17/2002
Domains By Proxy, LLC

Phone: [phone] View Additional Phone Numbers PMB 353, 15111 N. Hayden Road #160, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 http://www.domainsbyproxy.com

Registrant:
Domains By Proxy, LLC

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: IRANWAR.COM
Created on: 08-Mar-02
Expires on: 08-Mar-12
Last Updated on: 13-Nov-11

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration [e-mail]
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
[phone] Fax -- [phone]

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration [e-mail]
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
[phone] Fax -- [phone]

Domain servers in listed order:
NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domains_by_Proxy  <--how Parsons is connected to it.

[chunga]

That is interesting thanks. GoDaddy makes me think of Danica Patrick and SOPA.

[Dave Thomas]

I don't think that's the case. You can buy what's called "Private Registration" of a domain, where the true registrants infomation is kept private and the hosting companies information is displayed instead.

Take keen note that the registrant doesn't say Bobby Parsons, it says Domains by Proxy which is Godaddy's placeholder company for private domain registrations.

Domains by Proxy get it?

[CPL]

True enough.  There are about a million complaints on blogs about them, even one guy with steps to hacking their DNS services.

But the fact remains...it's goDaddy, they are on the anti-sec shit list.  It would not surprise me that someone is assing around.

[Hephasteus]

goDaddy is CIA they've come at me using the exact same tacticts the FuckCunts use.

[CPL]

..and TheFourth is correct.  On the DNS server at goDaddy, he changes the CNAME entries to point the server or page he wants.  The redirection to you tube takes place with a jscript command on the beginning page like index.html. 

It's one reason it's incredibly retarded to start a site with index.html, best type of security is obfuscation with a dash of smoke screen.  If your attacker doesn't know where to start, how can they find the end?

[chunga]

So it's just a trick with either CNAME or the A RECORD field. Just weird somebody would do that. That domain name is bought and paid for so why bother?

[CPL]

For the Lulz I suppose.  Or it's the owner just redirecting it where they like for their Lulz.  You can control your DNS entries if you pay a buck extra for the cPanel DNS options.  People use them to make sub domains without using that crummy wizard pos they provide.

[chunga]

Reading the ZH traffic log must be fascinating. Our little gang of ball busters at froeclosure hamlet gets pecked away all the time by anonymous proxies. It runs on ning php shrinkwrap. I complained about an administration function that wasn't functioning. The ning support dopes shut down the site with no notice. Interestingly enough, ning is owned by Mark Andreeson (netscape founder) and now operates a VC fund. The matter was escalated to his desk. I don't think hamlet is very popular in some circles...port probes are fun both ways...lol. It should be moved off ning but the users like it.

[laserjock]

That's one cleanup effort I'll gladly volunteer for.

[Randall Cabot]

Wow man, like quit bogarting the joint man

[I Got Worms]

Hedgeless - I was in a discussion about Iran with my baby-boomer neo-con dad last week, and showed him that exact same thing, trying to explain how 'Merika will goad other countries into attacking so that we have our pretense to bomb the shit out of someone. He just tilted his head and looked at me like a puppy that heard a high pitched noise.

[IBelieveInMagic]

Thankfully the President signed the NDAA in time -- we are well prepared to lock up any domestic terrorists that may spring into action due to our actions pursuing "national" interest... Will be able to press some of that idle real estate into good use!

[duo]

And Woodrow Wilson asked Churchill (Navy Sec. equivalent at the time) to send uncoded messages about her sailing time and position, so the u-boats would find her faster.  Not the original false flag (the Maine was the first one ( in Havana)).

Bachmann was on MSNBC this morning telling us which carrier groups should be where.  The Republican primary is all about who will atack Iran first.

[CrockettAlmanac.com]

The lie that started the Mexican War (Mexico killed Americans on US soil) predates the Maine.

[sun tzu]

Mexico killed Americans on US soil

That's happening on a daily basis now

[CrockettAlmanac.com]

Then Winfield Scott ought to be marching on Chapultepec instead of sailing for the Strait of Hormuz.

[optimator]

And the captain of the Lusitainia was instructed to slow down and not to zigzag. 

Our schools should have a course on the real history of the 20th Century, instead our schools are being mandated to have a couse on, what else, the Holocaust!

[trav7777]

there's lots of "evil white people" classes too.

And we have dotheads like ORI proclaiming the evils of the destruction of the inca empire which itself only arose by the destruction of EARLIER empires and the brutal slaughter and conquest of rival tribes. 

Sort of like how Ghengis Khan did it except without the horses.  Nevermind the ripping hearts out and cannibalism and all of that.  The Incas were majestic in their peacefulness and noble savagery....riiight.

There are injun tribes in this hemisphere that were COMPLETELY annihilated (genocide) by rival tribes, so much so that there is no record whatsoever that they ever even existed besides what anthropologists can divine from artifact digs.  The injuns' land management practices were equivalent to STRIP MINING.  There is a REASON that large animal fossils are found in this hemisphere but the animals went extinct.  It was not due to climate change in the past 10,000 years.  Injuns stampeded entire herds over cliffs as a hunting practice.

They were NO BETTER (or worse) than whitey; just more primitive.  It's as simple as that.  The first thing that popped into the Inca rulers' heads when they saw Pizarro was "we are going to find out where this guy is from and conquer his people and add them to the Inca Empire."  It's in the historical record, albeit written by the Spaniards because they brought the evil oppression of the written word (and the wheel) to this hemisphere.

I'm so sick and tired of the whining of brown people because of the failures of their races in history.  Their stupid cultures have been rejected because they are inferior in an evolutionary sense.  People PREFER the alternative and nothing whatsoever can stop natural selection.  I, like most, would rather drive around in a car than run around barefoot with a spear and a penis sheath and some bone in my nose.  It is THIS which drives cultural displacement, not force.

[pan-the-ist]

Now Trav, you could have expressed those ideas without using perjoritives.  It's that type of language that evokes negative emotional responses to your otherwise brilliant ideas.

[trav7777]

which pejoratives?  I use pejoratives where they are warranted

[Gully Foyle]

trav7777

And yet those same people of color are proving their evolutionary superiority by out breeding Whitey.

Damn boy best get that nose pierced and slap on a flattering penis sheath.

[wisefool]

Thats a factual statistic you probably wont see him cite.

[pan-the-ist]

Bacteria breed exponentially, but they die out instantly when anti-biotics are present, ergo, population growth does not equate to the fitness of a particular species.  Biology 101.

Fitness has to do with a species ability to respond to pressure...

[GeneMarchbanks]

Moron.

[tmosley]

Only planktonic bacteria are vulnerable to antibiotics.  But then, it is planktonic bacteria that breed exponentially.

Peak theorists and other death worshippers would do well to learn about the concept of the biofilm, and understand the similarity between the biofilm and the human city.

[sun tzu]

Shitting out dozens of offspring that they can't feed is proof of evolutionary superiority?

[trav7777]

their numbers couldn't be sustained if whitey didn't oppress them with refrigeration and petrochemical agriculture.

Whitey has been the nicest conquerer in all of history, enslaving his subjects with modern medicine and the wheel.

Rabbits outbreed people too, dipshit.

[Mr Lennon Hendrix]

Trav, obviously tribes were wiped out.  They only consisted of one hundred people at most.  If you only have one hundred people, and you go to war, you will lose your whole tribe.  This is why war was the last resort for tribal societies.

[pan-the-ist]

Blah Blah tribal society is greatest Blah.  Stick to the past, it's been working great for you so far.

[CompassionateFascist]

EZ to disprove that BS. When Brits and French had at it over control of N. American continenet, 1750s-60s, Indian tribes simply chose sides on the basis of their own pre-existing war system, and joined the bloody fun.

[taxpayer102]

trav7777 said "I'm so sick and tired of the whining brown people because of the failures of their races in history.  Their stupid cultures have been rejected because they are inferior in an evolutionary sense."

You need to get up to speed on White supremacy, Freemasonry, the Illuminati, etc. and the psychological covert wars making you believe this misinformation.  Whites have killed over 300 million black/yellow/brown/red people and at least 100 million of their own.  They perfected the science of warfare so they boldly proclaim "It's easier now to kill a million people than control a million people".

Believing "failures of their races" and "their stupid cultures have been rejected" is a result of you reading histories written by the oppressor.

Get in the way of these devils and they will take you out, too, no matter if your skin is white.

[FeralSerf]

<<There is a REASON that large animal fossils are found in this hemisphere but the animals went extinct. It was not due to climate change in the past 10,000 years. Injuns stampeded entire herds over cliffs as a hunting practice.>>

Are you trying to tell us that the "injuns" stampeded all the mastadons and the sabre tooth tigres off cliffs thereby making them extinct?

You're an idiot.

[Bringin It]

Re. Idiot

Have you ever heard of a buffalo jump?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump

Small elephants remained on the Channel Islands long after they were killed off on mainland NA, until they were discovered and eaten as well.

http://www.nps.gov/chis/historyculture/pygmymammoth.htm

Lack of mega-fauna likely had something to do with the demise of the saber-tooth.

[FeralSerf]

Why did the elk, deer, and buffalo survive?  And why didn't the sabre tooth eat them instead of mastodons?  (I think they may have.)

[trav7777]

don't confuse him.

YES, the reason large fauna were all extinct when whitey got here is because the natives EXTERMINATED THEM.

Doesn't jibe with the "in touch with nature" narrative myth about injuns, so you won't hear it much.

[TerraHertz]

Same thing in Australia. This land mass had some really cool megafauna, like giant wombats and kangaroos. Until the ancestors of the present Aboriginals arrived via a temporary land bridge from SE Asia around 100K years ago. All the megafauna were promptly wiped out, according to the fossil record.

Also, the Aboriginals began regularly burning out the extensive forests present then. Evidence from pollen in coastal sediments shows that the constant fires radically altered the flora types too. Only the species that could survive regular fires survived. Where there were previously wet conifer forests, we now have dry eucalypt forests. And a lot of very arid, bare country, that used to be forested.

Forests alter the local climate by retaining water in the soil, maintaining an overall wetter environment. Once a forest is removed, an area can become locked in an arid condition.

In summary, the Aboriginals completely fu*ked Australia, very rapidly after they arrived. So I'm not at all sympathetic to the 'sensitive natives in tune with their environment' line.

[Reformed Sheep]

Bitch at Texas - they dictate much of the curriculum - go figure!

[taxpayer102]

Politicians and bankers in government are doing the same today as in 1917 and 1941. On May 23, 1941 Charles Lindbergh and others spoke against U.S. intervention into the war in Eurpoe.  From a news article :

Addressing a crowd of 20,000 at Madison Square Garden Charles A. Lindbergh declared "there is no danger to this nation from without" but that "our only danger lies from within," charging the American people were being led into war by subterfuge (an artifice or device to which a person resorts in order to escape the force of an argument, to avoid condemnation or censure, or to justify his conduct)

Mr. Lindbergh, who was making his first public address in the city since he declared in Des Moines on Sept.11 that "the British, the Jewish and Roosevelt Administration" were the most important groups pressing this country into war...

"President Roosevelt and his Administration have never taken the American people into their confidence," [Lindbergh] said. "They preach about preserving democracy and freedom abroad, while they practice dictatorship and subterfuge at home."

Mr. Cudahy contended that the only way Hitler could be defeated would be by sending an American expeditionary force of at least 8,000,000 men to Europe, with probably 2,000,000 casualties and the expenditure of at least $50,000,000,000.  He suggested instead of intervening the United States should use its command of 85 percent of the WORLD'S GOLD SUUPLY as a means for bringing about a permanent peace settlement.

"Let us offer this gold a a peace settlement as a stabilization of international currency," he said. "We can re-establish the GOLD STANDARD by loaning this gold to foreign nations and lodging it in this country under direction of the International Bank of Settlements - these loans to be paid off over a period of years by good and commodities.  In this way we can motion forces which will inaugurate a great period of trade expansion in an economy of abundance which will liquidate the real issue of this war."

Audio of Lindbergh's speech at

http://www.authentichistory.com/1939-1945/1-war/1-39-41/19410523_Charles...

[Bringin It]

Everyone should learn more about his child.

[Chupacabra-322]

The Zionist created or controlled Media Mental Complex and the A.D.L. love to label the truth and TRUTH tellers as “racist, haters, anti-Semitic” and all of the establishment candidates pile on with terms like “reckless, out of touch, dangerous”! And by doing these thing they are trying to bring public opinion in-line with the establishment’s point of view and agenda.

[Ag1761]

I've fished that wreck dozens of times and there are some splendid specimens to be had there.

[TerraHertz]

Also note that when the Lusitania wreck was found and explored some years ago, it was proven that it HAD been carrying large amounts of armaments in its hold. War materials being shipped from the US to Britain. And thus was both in violation of international treaties, and was also a legitimate target for the German navy.

The German embassy in the US had discovered what was being loaded onto the Lusitania, and tried to post adverts in 50 newspapers warning civilians not to travel on her. Every newspaper but one refused to carry the adverts, on orders from the State Dept.

Before the Lusitania reached the area where there were known to be German U-boats, the British naval escort was withdrawn, on orders from Churchil, who was First Lord of the Admiralty at the time.

In summary, the Lusitania was deliberately set up to be sunk with heavy civilian loss of life, as a 'pretext' for US entry to WWI

This is how it's ALWAYS done.

See http://www.teachpeace.com/teachpeacemoment9.htm

The Lusitania: A classic example of war profiteering

[johny2]

reading zh always gives little treasures like your comment. thanks

[mess nonster]

Considering the Rachel Corrie context, your analogy rather sucks.

[caconhma]

Iran has another option to choose. It can urgently develop nuclear bombs and become a “second North Korea”.

Then, nuclear Iran, capable of devastating major European capitals (including London, Paris, Rome, etc.,) and wiping out Israel from a map, will become a respectable international entity.

Remember how the West treated J. Stalin? With the ultimate respect!

Remember that the Imperial Japan in 1940s did not have this option. Otherwise, the world would be very much different by now.

[caconhma]

Just a history note

The (24 June 1948 – 12 May 1949) was one of the first major  international crises of the  Cold War and the first resulting in casualties. During the multinational occupation of post-World War II , the blocked the Western ' railway and road access to the sectors of under Allied control. Their aim was to force the western powers to allow the Soviet zone to start supplying Berlin with food and fuel, thereby giving the Soviets practical control over the entire city.BerlinAlliesSoviet UnionGermanyBerlin Blockade

Why did Stalin do it? Well, Stalin expected to have his nuclear bomb early in 1948.  And then, he was ready to use military force to take over Berlin. But, Soviet first atomic bomb was test-exploded only on 29 August 1949. So, Stalin had to give up on his Berlin adventure.

[vast-dom]

However troubling the prospects of Iran having nukes is, your argument is infallible. Until Iran decides to fire off!!!!!!!!!

[john39]

good thing that a reputable company like caterpillar builds those hell machines for the colonial state of israel to crush the indiginous people. /s    Rachel Corrie, one of the few Americans with courage...