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Iran Threatens Retaliation If US Carrier Returns To Persian Gulf, Where 5th Navy Is Stationed

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Don't look now but oil is spiking as the market is finally realizing that the escalation in the Persian Gulf is more than just for show (which curiously was once again set off by Obama establishing a full financial embargo of all Iranian activity on New Year's Eve, leading the Rial to plunge to a new record low, and about to set a brand new scramble for physical gold in the country on the verge of hyperinflation). At last check WTI was up over $2.50 with the market realizing that either Dalio will be right (central banks going into overdrive) or the Iranian escalation will finally pass the trigger threshold, and Brent was over $110. Today's escalation, just as requested by the US, is not another missile launch but a threat by the Iran military to retaliate if the US carrier John Stennis were to once again cross the Straits of Hormuz and return to the Gulf. As a reminder, as of December 23, as was observed by Stratfor before the hacker takedown and reported here, the Stennis was within shouting distance. From Reuters: "Iran will take action if a U.S. aircraft carrier which left the area because of Iranian naval exercises returns to the Gulf, the state news agency quoted army chief Ataollah Salehi as saying on Tuesday. "Iran will not repeat its warning ... the enemy's carrier has been moved to the Sea of Oman because of our drill. I recommend and emphasise to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf," Salehi told IRNA." Which is interesting because considering that the 5th Navy is stationed in Bahrain, i.e., deep in the Gulf, there is no way that the Stennis or other carriers will not come back, meaning what is likely the terminal escalation has now been set in motion.

From Reuters:

"I advise, recommend and warn them (the Americans) over the return of this carrier to the Persian Gulf because we are not in the habit of warning more than once," the semi-official Fars news agency quoted Salehi as saying.

 

Salehi did not name the aircraft carrier or give details of the action Iran might take if it returned.

 

Iran completed 10 days of naval exercises in the Gulf on Monday, and said during the drills that if foreign powers imposed sanctions on its crude exports it could shut the Strait of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world's traded oil is shipped.

 

The U.S. Fifth Fleet, which is based in Bahrain, said it would not allow shipping to be disrupted in the strait.

 

Iran said on Monday it had successfully test-fired two long-range missiles during its naval drill, flexing its military muscle in the face of mounting Western pressure over its controversial nuclear programme.

 

Iran also said it had no intention of closing the Strait of Hormuz but had carried out "mock" exercises on shutting the strategic waterway.

The good news is that Iran has completed its 10 day wargame exercise without any major incidents. Which also means that the provocation level will escalate even more: after all the difference between the Tonkin Gulf and the Persian Gulf is just one word. Our advice, as usual, is to wait for the inevitable Goldman downgrade of crude which should be the catalyst to go all in on the viscous substance.

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Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:07 | 2028173 Boilermaker
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You cross this line, you die!

-OK-

You cross THIS LINE, you die!

-OK-

YOU CROSS THIS LINE, YOU DIE!

Typical middle eastern sabre-rattling garbage.  The Stennis already passed through the straights directly in their face last week.  They didn't do shit.  Maybe it plays well to the masses on Iran-TV.  Now, shoot some semi-automatics in the air and the set is complete.

Let's just get it all out there...infidels, streets running red with blood, blah blah blah.

Now shut up and get your shine box!

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:10 | 2028181 i-dog
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There's always one dork in the schoolyard cheering for the bully! Well done.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:11 | 2028187 Boilermaker
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I think you have a difficult time managing reality.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:12 | 2028191 Oh regional Indian
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Says a man who clearly con-fuses his delusions with reality.

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:35 | 2028225 EscapeKey
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Corporate media talking points.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:12 | 2028823 The Big Ching-aso
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If Iran does more than sabre rattling it's gonna go from, "I Ran" to "I Ran While Shitting My Pants".     The MIC is chomping at the bit for way more revenues in 2012.

 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:43 | 2028344 GMadScientist
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And you're batshit crazy for assuming you can.

Tell us who "rattles sabers" again, Mr. Bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb Iran.

Tried to disrupt another country's politics lately?

How's that embassy doing, Ms. Bachmann?

Shot down any passenger jets lately?

You're an ignorant clown and it shows.

And you stole that line from Robin Williams, shithead.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:46 | 2028348 Solid
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We are the bully? Please...they sponsor terrorism all around the globe, and everyone knows it. Oh I know, it's all our fault. It's our fault that bank robbers rob banks too. We are the ones that deprived them of the money they need to live, right?

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:03 | 2028401 johnnymustardseed
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One would have to wonder what your definition of terrorism is? Many see the US as the terrorist nation. How many wars have the Iranians started??

We seem to stick our nose in everywhere and then wonder why they hate us and more importantly why we are broke???

 

USA: El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004)...

 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:19 | 2028458 Solid
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I have a different view of the world, that much is obvious. I see the US as a positive force, not an evil one.
I know we have stuck our nose where it may not belong at times, but I think that is the exception, rather than the rule. We are not perfect, but I'd rather live in the USA, than in Iran, and so would the people in Iran.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:34 | 2028515 EscapeKey
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Positive force? For whom, exactly?

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:31 | 2028693 Spastica Rex
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Raytheon

Boeing

Westinghouse

G.E.

etc.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:42 | 2028536 LowProfile
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Ah, the old "Spread civilization to the inferior cultures" argument for justifying empire, eh?

Here's a question for you:  We get along fine with China, a major nuclear power.  The two countries have good relations because we TRADE with them.

Why don't we do this with ALL nations?  Surely, if trade is the best path towards peace, there must be a reason we aren't engaging in it with Iran, Syria, etc.

Answer that question honestly and you'll likely emerge at the end of a very long rabbit hole.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:15 | 2028645 my puppy for prez
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We may trade with them, but there is definitely a silent cold oil war going on with China, and so much more.  

All of this is about energy access, access, access, and the private fortunes of central bankers, as everyone must know by now.

I know I am off point with your emphasis, but I couldn't pass it up.

I do agree that we should start trading and stop "warring".

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:38 | 2028714 Infinite QE
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We're rebuilding The Greater Israel, from the Tigris to the Euphrates. All on the back of the poorest Americans.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:44 | 2028541 kridkrid
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"At times"... did you see his list?  Of course we would rather live in the U.S. vs. Iran.  Our society has (until now) enjoyed the spoils of the world's reserve currency and the fat of our monetary ponzi scheme.  "Our" military is a "positive force" if you are a member of the banking cartel, outside of that, it's all propaganda.  But don't worry... the banking cartel has no allegiance to any country.  This war is going to end someday.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:46 | 2028551 Global Hunter
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Solid, stop getting your talking points from CNN and Fox News

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:52 | 2028564 kridkrid
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Wait a second... aren't CNN and Fox News on opposite sides of the spectrum?  Now I'm confused.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:12 | 2028631 my puppy for prez
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The Dialectic is alive and well!  All praise Hegel!

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:46 | 2028741 Spastica Rex
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In this corner, weighing in at an astounding 345 lbs is the Blue Team!

In the other corner, weighing in at exactly the same weight of 345 lbs is the Red Team!

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:52 | 2028766 kridkrid
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They are so good at it... it's difficult to not admire it, on some level.  Of course, people are pretty stupid, so perhaps it's no great feat.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:54 | 2028572 LongBalls
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Solid - Why can you not see past the last Fox News or MSNBC propaganda piece. We are SO free that we are loosing our liberty and have already lost our fortune because we can't keep our nose in our own business. Or Federal Reserve must export the dollar or we are finished. Is it no wonder we set up a Central Bank in Lybia before the "rebels" even won the war? But to who's prosperity? The American people or the banksters? Why is Iran even engaged in terror? Because we started putting our nose in their business back in the 50's!! Why do they want a nuke? They want a nuke not because they intend on setting it off (as the CIA controlled media would suggest) but so we will stop messing with them!

Do you think Iran and others are going to just wake up one day and decide to set off a nuke in America? We have one of the largest nuke stockpiles in the world and they know we will respond. We also have one of the largest economies that they would love to access if they felt they could do so peacefully and without fear of covert overthrow. Islamic fundamentalism is "Blowback" due to our covert and direct policies of the past. WAKE UP!!!!! Please!!! Views such as your threaten peace and prosperity the world over!!!!!

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:43 | 2028720 VisualCSharp
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If you're going to bold loosing your liberty at least spell it correctly. Although in some strange way, perhaps loosing makes sense. Also, it's whose, not who's.

Just sayin'...

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 14:14 | 2029425 11b40
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Yeah, that's what I used to think, too.  Now, not so much.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:33 | 2028511 JOYFUL
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who is this "we" - whence come this "they" - what is this "our"?!?!?

Funny how when each and every provocateur{hi Trav-esty!!!yes, I'm talkin to YU} on this site is put on the spot bout the simple question as posed, the silence is deafening.....

from this point hence, the onus is one yousers, losers.....all yur bullshit is DHS/FBI/Langley script-talk till yu can prove otherwise.  Have a nice day moron{s}!

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:11 | 2028186 Oh regional Indian
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Boilermaker, do you even know the meaning of the symbol in your avaatar? What is the middle finger?

If you don't , you should study it and understand that sheep like you are led by the nose into some demented vision of manifest destiny.

Manifest Destiny. Look at that. Do you know what a Ship's manifest is? You know nothiing of youself, the language you use or the symbols you toss around or are tossed around by....

and yet you speak so calmly of blood on the streets.

And people wonder why their lives and their nations are in the shitter.

ori

/2012-the-year-of-anomaly/

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:29 | 2028218 Dasa Slooofoot
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Condoms too big for Indian men.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6161691.stm

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:16 | 2028287 Calmyourself
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And most embarassingly, I'll bet he cannot sit Indian style either..  Seriously ori one need not have full awareness of every cultural reference in order to have an opinion.  The milieu in whihc we all swim is probably too complex for any of us but you seem to be full of opinions..

Ori, our Indian Tony Robbins, I breathlessly await my astounding business breakthrough..

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:51 | 2028358 Oh regional Indian
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Calm, those symbols don't belong to me. Save your sarcasm for something without meaning.

Symbols came before written language, they are powerful. if it is a cultural reference, then it is the culture of the globe.

The biggest businesses invest much money in the creation and protection of their symbol. Ever wonder why?

ori

 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:18 | 2028449 Calmyourself
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Thanks ori, symbology is powerful got it and getting a lecture from you everytime anyone posts anything is tiring.  I am well aware of branding, perhaps you should come down from the mountain and reenter our reality before you become irrelevant. Your posturing yourself as above our realm and the arbiter on symbology and its effects on the reality we work within is again tiring

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:31 | 2028498 Oh regional Indian
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Calm, when you are refreshed (after being tiered out by my posturing) just google occult/esoteric symbols.

You will see that the US was set up as a Fascist state at it's inception. Without a doubt. And it's everywhere in the symbols. 

Just look at the US Senate (like the roman senate) and look for a symbol of a bunch of sticks, around an Axe, tied together with a cord.

Fasci. Check it out.

Then, you can shove your head back in the sand or take fresh stock of your position.

I'm afraid I hardly feel apologetic for calling the truth out, disturbing as many here seem to find it.

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:37 | 2028520 Calmyourself
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Yes, Fascist, occult got it..  Head - sand okey dokey..  Air getting thin up there yet?  Perhaps you could refresh us with a small lecture on the Nazi use of the swastiki symbol and where that symbol originated?

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:39 | 2028525 Oh regional Indian
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It's Swastika. Fyi. ;-)

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:45 | 2028544 Calmyourself
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As you probably noted I am a crappy typist..  All those years with a secretary..

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:46 | 2028548 Calmyourself
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Waiting for the expose on the SWASTIKA..

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:42 | 2028727 Jim in MN
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Originally it had nothing to do with the lines.  It was about the points that the lines connect.  It is a 3x3 grid, nine points.  These represent the six visible planets, the Sun, the Moon and the Earth.  In traditional use in India these points were represented by small piles of rice (the staff of life) and connected by lines of saffron.  Like for weddings. 

The actual lines we focus on?  Why that pattern instead of say a grid of straight lines?

No reason.  It just looks cooler.

 

I read it all in Smithsonian magazine many years ago so it's gotta be true.  Or you can GoogleWiki it. 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:14 | 2028831 Oh regional Indian
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Interesting Jim. Of course it goes a lot deeper. With counter clockwise and clockwise Swastikas.

It's four L's, what does that tell you? ;-)

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 13:14 | 2029146 Calmyourself
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Thanks Jim I was actually waiting for Ori to explain the Indian / Aryan origins but thanks.  That is MN nice for ya..

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:37 | 2028710 SheepHerder
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I'd be interested in learning more about the symbolism. I'm reading Carl Jung's Man and His Symbols right now and am starting to the importance of symbolism.  Is there any other good resources you can point me to?

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:05 | 2028800 Oh regional Indian
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SH, you can start http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkwBjLG1ULA&feature=related

and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQBX7Uy6Sjk

Have fun, it's a heck of a rabbit hole. Caveat Emptor and all 

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:31 | 2028890 SheepHerder
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Thank you.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:41 | 2028947 SheepHerder
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Ahh that's what I thought from some of your posts.  Are you familiar with Hermetics?  Also was that your blog in the earlier post?  I may try to contact you to continue this discussion.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:49 | 2028993 Oh regional Indian
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Yes it is SH and please do. Welcome enlightened and enlightening dialouge, anytime.

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:28 | 2028873 Randall Cabot
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Texe Marrs and Jordan Maxwell have done a lot of research on the subject and thanks to the poster who put up the Jordan Maxwell youtube -I've heard his voice a million times but never knew what he looked like until now and as is usually the case he doesn't look anything like I envisioned from his voice:

http://www.texemarrs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=catalog&Product_Code=bbtm_mysterious_monuments

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/store.html

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:13 | 2028633 Eally Ucked
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Man, sometimes I like your posts but this one is really out of bounds, maybe because you're under attack here lately, you lost your way. Just stay cool!

Fascist movement started in Italy, around 1919 ( Fasci italiani di combattimento) and don't tell us that symbols of 1920-1945 were already embedded in some much earlier US institutions programs and symbols, please!?

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:07 | 2028808 Oh regional Indian
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Eally, its' true and thus hard to believe. Fascism began with Italy?

Really, Rome was the first Fascist state as we now recognize the term.

All Roman Symbols are in the DNA of the Third Reich, the US, Italy, Great Britain.... on and on.

Check out the two vids above?

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:40 | 2028942 Eally Ucked
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I understand your point about symbols, of course all those shitheads want to get some historical background to validate their movements, crosses, swasticas (another kind of cross), triangles, squares, piramides and so on mean nothing unless you put some ideology under it for plebs. Don't tell me that those symbols reveal real ideology.

If you want to check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika you will see that Indians are probably fascist too.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:48 | 2028991 Oh regional Indian
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 Don't tell me that those symbols reveal real ideology.

 

Eally, they do. So much that it blows ones preconceptions to smithreens when you realize the extent to which they are IT.

:-) I swallowed the red pill 9 years ago.

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:11 | 2028188 GeneMarchbanks
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Simplistic gibberish by you yet again. Your fear is palpable but at least you're consistent.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:21 | 2028208 captcorona
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UMMM... Just because you think you are a "Made Man" doesn't mean the little guy wont try >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oP1NMB_I0s

 

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