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Iran Turns Embargo Tables: To Pass Law Halting All Crude Exports To Europe
In what is likely a long overdue move, Iran has finally decided to give Europe a harsh lesson in game theory. Instead of letting Euro-area politicians score brownie points at its expense by threatening to halt imports and cut off the Iranian economy, the Iranian government will instead propose a bill calling for an immediate halt to oil deliveries to Europe. The move, with most reports citing the Iranian news agency Mehr, has come about in response to the EU agreement to impose sanctions against Iran, which were announced earlier this week. And why not? After all if Europe is indeed serious, sooner or later Iran will be cut off but in the meantime experience significant policy uncertainty, which is precisely what the flipflops on the ground need. The one thing that Europe, however is forgetting, is that all that whopping 0.8 Mb/d in imports will simply find a new buyer.Quickly.
So with China, India and Russia already having bilateral agreements with Iran in place, we are confident that said buyer will have a contract signed, sealed and delivered within an hour of the proposed bill's passage. Furthermore, as SocGen speculated, the fact that Europe will be even more bottlenecked in its crude supplies (good luck Saudi Arabia with that imaginary excess capacity), and which just may force the IEA to release some more of that strategic petroleum reserve (and thus give JPM some more free money on the replenishment arbitrage) will send Brent to $125-150 - something which Iran will be delighted by. That is of course unless some "experts" discover that Iran may or may not have a complete arsenal of shark with fricking nuclear warheads attached to their heads (despite what Paneta has already said) which gives the US the green light for a full blown incursion, which in turn will send oil over $200, and the world economy into a global coordinated re-depression.
From Spiegel:
"If this bill is passed, the government will be forced to stop selling oil to Europe before the actual implementation of their sanctions," said Emad Hosseini, spokesman for the Iranian parliament's energy commission, reportedly said. The bill is set to become law on Sunday.
The EU sanctions allow for oil deliveries from Iran until July 1. Any pre-empting of this timescale by Tehran could prove problematic for countries like Italy, Greece and Spain, who would need to urgently find new suppliers.
China, meanwhile, a major importer of Iranian oil, has also criticized the EU sanctions. The Xinhua news agency quoted the Chinese Foreign Ministry on Thursday as saying: "To blindly pressure and impose sanctions on Iran are not constructive approaches."
Many members of the EU are now heavily dependent on Iranian oil. Some 500,000 barrels arrive in Europe every day from Iran, with southern European countries consuming most of it. Greece is the most exposed, receiving a third of all its oil imports from Iran, but Italy too depends on Iran for 13 percent of its oil needs. If this source were to dry up abruptly, the economic conditions in the two struggling countries could become even worse.
Already on Wednesday, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned of the economic consequences of the EU's planned embargo. Stopping deliveries from the world's fifth largest producer could drive up the price of oil by 20 to 30 percent.
Perhaps instead of doing its best at crippling the world energy markets, and crushing the global economy, Europe should stick to bailing itself out, and other activities in which it has extensive experience.
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We are all on the same boat. Friend.
"Where da white women at??"
:)
Just wish that they would agree to sell oil for Silver as well as gold.
All this shit's been off the rails since 9/11. Rouge Govt's doin whatever the fuck they want, this situation will seperate the boy's from the Men. Maybe, just maybe we with our Allies will stop acting like gangster thugs of the world. You know, Nation "building" and all?
We will be directly effected soon afterwards somehow.
Me too. I also like the way Ahmadinejad is the only truth speaker at the UN. And, I agree that maybe Europe will not have such a hard time, since peak oil is an elite lie. But then I also wonder if Ahmadinejad is playing a part, and that he may be a part of this global co-ordinated WW3 depopulation charade. Now I am going to take my lunchtime chlorpromazine to reduce the symptoms of schizophrenia.
"peak oil is an elite lie"
Huh?
Listen, I DON'T like them either, but that don't mean that they can magically disfigure reality/physics.
If they were killing people using gravity, like pushing them over the cliff, you'd say that gravity didn't exist, because it's That threat that they're using AGAINST us?
And for everyone's edification, the issue is, as is clearly posed by this article (threat of action by Iran), it's PEAK OIL EXPORT (or, if you're an importer, peak oil imports).
Manipulation AND reality can exist at the same time. Manipulation doesn't mean that reality doesn't exist.
Bravo jcia, I never thought I would think "Good for Iran". This constant bully boy behavior by nations who have invaded and spilt blood all over the place the last decade, and WHO winked and accepted Iraq's unprovoked invasion of Iran under Saddam many years back, is making me sick. Who bombs at will, whi invades at will, who makes demands on sovereign nations.
Is Iran under the Islamic Republic a good thing? NO! If left alone and allowed to operate normally, the Iranian people will be free enough to demand change at home. The entire Soviet Empire imploded under their own foolish behavior. Not under Reagans military build up. Iran will not last as an Islamic Republic, but the more war rumors and threats unites Iranian's against the west.
Give it up! Let Iranians decide, with NO external threat, the Islamists have no excuse not to let people have more freedom, and the people will demand it.
Exactly!
It's like this, if people believe that bad systems are bad then surely they'd believe it because bad systems can't WORK. And, if bad system can't work then why the hell get so fucking worked up over them, over them taking over the world?
Shit, it's like the homophobes wanting to kill off all the gays. Yeah, they're going to breed everyone else out of existence!
It's all based on (unfounded) fear and hate, not about bad systems or anything else. If otherwise then people would actually have to confront their belief that something that couldn't work would also take over (the world)!
How long will it take for the EU to invade? They can't let the U.S. have all the fun...
Hoorayyyyyy! Trade War! Race you to the bottom!!! Idiots...........
Nigerian union to stop oil production
Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:20AM GMT
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/223291.html
Goodluck Jonathan.
+1 for sarc
I agree, he'll need all the luck he can get. Lets see what a name'll get him. I think pretty soon his name will be Dead President.
Welcome to the post Peak world.
It's a world where if a customer says he doesn't want your oil, you shrug and sell it to a different customer. That customer who turned yours down discovers he can't get the same price for oil from a different source, if he can get it all.
Fuck you, Europe. Don't even think about going to buy some oil from Canada or Mexico or Nigeria. That path will get you nuked.
China's signing up for some of that oil sludge from Canada. Right-wingers in the US are pretty cranky about This! (they wanted to "create" a few jobs so that they could route it through the US AND THEN sell it to China! all the while trashing the environment because, well, humans have ZERO impact on the planet, and there's an infinite amount of oil.)
It's all about the authoritarians...
The thing is when the euro-centralism clowns finally realise what utter strategic dimwits and chumps they are, and that dopey pompous filthy lesbian Cathy Ashton is finally deposed and told to go, or she will hang for her gross and uncommon stupidity, then NATO must go after someone else's oil.
Count on that.
Or maybe they still feel they can keep the strait open maybe just replace Iran's oil shortfall with increased Iraqi oil production?
Surprisingly little has been said on zh about the serious politico-'religious' conflict that continues to boil-over in Nigeria which their Govt just last week said, " ... is even more serious than a civil war".
Plus Iran's man visited Venezuela a couple of weeks ago to cement their common strategic-ties and interests.
So putting it all together;
1) Iran closes the strait
2) Nigerian bloodbath and overthrow quashes production
3) Venezuela threatens to withhold supply if Yankee-NATO do not immediately agree to go home.
4) Russia (which is energy self-sufficient) and China, as necessary allies against the USA, will still get supplied with sufficient oil and in a mutual press-statement during emergency talks in Moscow, directly warns NATO and USA against escalating further, via intervening in Hormuz, Nigeria or Venezuela, and that the time for such threats is passed if they wish to prevent a great war, and their only recourse is to either engage in real negotiations, in order to restart oil production and ship traffic, or for a real global strategic war to occur.
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The Soviet Union fell apart without a fight but will NATO?
Yes, I think they will too.
Simply because the more Brussels fucks this up (and they are Royally fucking it up!) the more individual European state 'powers' will need to intervene to secure their own oil supplies, via their own diplomatic deals and trade efforts (1, 2, 3 and 5 years from now).
Divide and conquer is a double-edged sword euro-bitchez
Whatever, I'll get my popcorn when the oil actually stops flowing.
Bravo!
Free traders my arse.
Suck on that euro despots!
Two can play that game you hypocritical warmongering shitheads.
I wonder if this will eventually be considered a "trade war" ... like in a 30-year historical retrospective sense?
As always, 'hystery' is written by "the victors".
i.e. the ones who slaughter the most people and thus wear the whitest of white-hats.
Iran should just demand gold instead. This way they look like they are the grown up's and are not being hard to deal with. It's not as if they are not justified in such a request. The Euro looks hopeless and who wants fiat anyway. At the same time it would pose a threat to the Reserve Currency. Hell, it's their oil, they should be able to request bird seed for it if they wanted.
And if the physical gold is priced in a USD, or some derivative of it, then this means ...
Iran is smart doing this, it allows them to hurt Europe quicker in the pocket.
Poker, bitchez.
Chess, actually.
King Leonidas isn't going to like that news...
Who needs air conditioning when arrows can block out the sun!
More poker, because there's not really any bluff in Chess.
I will concede it's at least part Chess.
But more poker.
*Certainly no liquor.
I'm not too sure Iran is bluffing here. They lose nothing here since they will still be able to sell the oil (China, Russia, India, etc).
It's gonna be an interesting weekend since this vote is scheduled for Sunday.
It might not be a "black swan"...but it's definitely a little bird shit in the cheerios.
Now I'll never eat Cheerios again...
They lose nothing here
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Who does loose?
There will be a great many brown skinned people looking on this and thinking "If the white man can lock me out of his financial system as a means to subjagation and colonialization then what I need is an alternate financial system."
And the countries thinking along these lines will be those with the greatest growth potential. I think you see a grouping of nations coming together to promote their own economic interests and escape the financial thumb of the white man and his rockets, drones, predators and ceremonial urination.
Then what's a chess face?
Exactly.
+1
*Bobby Fischer may have had a 'chess face,' though. He would have been the exception, undoubtedly, however. He was a high octane, take no prisoners mofo. He was the Jules Winnfield of Chess.
Bobby Fischer was further proof that the line between genius and insanity is razor thin.
Really interesting guy.
+1
(on Fischer)... Some of his paranoia got kind of wacky there in the end, but I suppose that's the way it goes for someone who has to fight what appears to be a solitary losing battle over a long period of time...
Bobby Fisher became slightly paranoid because special forces used him as a pawn in "the biggest chess game" ever known: The Cold War.
It's sorta like a sex face, but with chess.
Yeah, but did you ever hear of anyone being being shot for cheating in chess?
"*Certainly no liquor."
Speak for yourself! Hiccup....
Neither poker nor chess.
I suspect the Iranians have cut an exclusive supply deal the Chinese (win-win for both of them), and the Persians are trying to get some additional political mileage out of the situation
I liken it to writing covered calls.
Nope, Global Check Mate. It's Chess, not Checkers biatch.
Bunker bustin thingamagigges should be loaded like... now?
I see your sanctions and raise you an ass hammering.
I accept your ass hammering and raise an Iron Fist holding a BRIC.
Only as long as the ass hammering gets handed out first. ;)
Red: [narrating] I wish I could tell you that Andy fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but prison is no fairy-tale world. He never said who did it, but we all knew. Things went on like that for awhile - prison life consists of routine, and then more routine. Every so often, Andy would show up with fresh bruises. The Sisters kept at him - sometimes he was able to fight 'em off, sometimes not. And that's how it went for Andy - that was his routine. I do believe those first two years were the worst for him, and I also believe that if things had gone on that way, this place would have got the best of him.
Bombs away
and the world economy into a global coordinated re-depression.
Were we ever OUT?
So is this "bullish" or "already priced in"?
Yes.
That Libya move is making more & more sense every day...
Now, it simply can't be argued that all actual commodities/goods aren't diverting themselves from West to East. The move is underway and it'll be sudden and unpleasnt for many.
Exactly. In other words: knowing that they were planning on escalating the rhetoric in the Syria and Iran theatre, NATO needed to confiscate Libyan production to offset the predictable shock.
Right now I'm wondering how the Dog-Tail system will sew Syria and Iran into the same bullshit story. I'm guessing Hezbollah will be talked about a lot so that Israel can get into the conflict via Syria then seamlessly segue to supporting the Iran mission. China will do nothing except perhaps extract some minor diplomatic concessions in their sphere. To me, the green light for Operation Flaming Persepolis will be when Russia figures out what they get in the deal.
Me thinks NATO will give Russia a bullshit missile defense agreement that will mean NOTHING but Russia will buy it.
Russia knows it needs to push NATO back, so it will be proxy wars.
The US and Soviets made many international agreements, many useful many totally meaningless, when the fighting in Vietnam was at or nearing a peak.
It did not affect the mutual prosecution of a bitter and utterly barbarous proxy-war for many more years, not one bit.
And I see very little to suggest the Russians are either strategically aimless, or anyone's gullible chump.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-25/putin-says-u-s-seeks-vassals-no...
I know it's election rhetoric but it oozes discontent.
"if u kill my dog i'ma slay ur cat
it's like that ya'll...can u handle it son
i'm public enemy number 1...."
bitch ass banker owned Europe FUCK OFF......
Its all like Donkey Kong Bitchez
Obama said we are Saudi Arabia :(
It seems clear that Iran is going to be the "black swan" excuse used by TPTB to explain the full blown melt-down that is coming. It certainly wasn't ponzi-nomics and the sucking dry of the middle class to favor the .01% that did it. No, it was Iran and whatever shit they will have supposedly done to start a war.
+1. The evil empire stopped oil shipments to us and drove up oil prices. They are responsible for our inflation and recession.
So I guess this means that they keep their "Rogue Nation" status (with or without nukes)...
Who? Israel? or Iran? read link below.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/06/obama-administration-puts-israel-on-list-of-countries-that-support-terrorism-removes-north-korea-.html
@Money for Nothing...
The comment was intended as /snark
More delicately... MY MEANING was to denote that TPTB want to make Iran the BAD GUY at all costs... This "NUKE" thing is all hyperbole (a subject that is hashed over day in & day out on ZH)...
So... Pick your poisin... Nukes... whatever... They'll always spin it as Iran is the bad guy...
In "Hollywood-ese"... The Iranians are a bunch of mass murdering, child molesting purveyors of global warming who kill whales, baby seals, & puppies in their spare time... FOR SPORT... &, of course being as such, they are solidly needing a regime change (by western standards)...
i love it, this is so iranian. forget game theory, they invented chess.
Did they, really? Are they any good at it?
Indians, Russians and Chinese are sitting there rubbing their hands in glee.
Soon, Russia and China will also be the middlemen for Iranian oil. EU will get their Iranian oil all right - with a significant markup from Russia with love. Except the Germans - who made deals with Russia already. And cheap oil for Germany in relation to the oil that southern Europe has to consume just means more competitive advantage to Germany...
So, yet again, it's southern Europe that got had, got took, got hoodwinked. How's that EU thing working for you again?
Well played Obama. No, no seriously, well done. China and Russia didn't spend one cent and you've played into their hands again...
Might as well thank "HELL-a-ray" while you're at it...
Sure, why not. And let's not forget to thank the clowns in Brussels.
a lot of insight there, great analysis .......for a gaucho canuck :p
Pfft! I went to grad school at UCSB for EE. Some of us actually did work at UCSB, not just party in Isla Vista or on State Street.
The party school/surfing rep is somewhat unfounded and maybe true more for the undergrads, not the grad students. UCSB is among the top 10 grad schools in the US for some engineering and science disciplines. Top researchers like Shuji Nakamura (blue laser diode inventor), Kroemer (Nobel Physics 2000), Heeger (Nobel Physics 2000).
Pity about the impending destruction of the UC system due to Cal's stupidity though - world-class institution offering top-notch education is being slowly destroyed.
Wow - why the junk?
again, very incisive analysis!@ thanks! and youre riught about undergrad vs grad, ibelieve they have a gathering of the most amazing scientists at uscb like a coirnell west above stanford. take the down arrows as pride ;)
good cocktails and sushi on state st. back i nthe day
btw dont worry about junks
we got your back
;)
can i ask you if youre still in ee , you seem political. any applications?
i like fractal voting as a concept of trying to fit discrete with analog or something like that lol...
@AK - I don't give a shit about the down arrows really LOL! Just found it interesting that someone would junk me for stating some facts and saying that all is not as it seems with UCSB. Thanks for the support LOL!
I'm peripherally in EE - do high-tech consulting work.
I'm not political - don't really like the Liberals, NDP or Conservative Party. Plus, I'm way too honest to be a politician, and don't really like the "popularity contest" aspect of being a politician in a democracy. You can't tell the sheeple reality because some other clown will always promise something unrealistic to get re-elected. I don't like making unrealistic promises that I can't keep.
UCSB is a specialist school, wherelse Stanford is more generalist. Stanford is still a great school for EE and CS. A PhD from Stanford opens doors outside of the field of specialization eg in finance, IP, management consulting etc just because of the cachet. Pedigree is important in this world when you're looking for jobs, which sucks, but it is what it is. However as Matt Damon pointed out in Good Will Hunting - you could get a 150k education for $1.50 in late charges at the library, if you're motivated and intelligent enough. Or $0, if you have an internet connection and are willing to read ZH.
Arigato Sushi is still pretty good, and except for Joe's Cafe the good pubs in SB are actually off State St or on upper State St away from the madness:
- Press Room (I was a regular there)
- Elsie's (love the idea of couches in a bar)
- Blue Agave (great place to finish dates, so that you could get action LOL!)
- Dargan's (great little Irish pub)
- Sportsman (great little dive bar)
- Soho's
- Mercury Lounge (best pub in Goleta, similar concept to Elsie's)
There were some other good places which are now closed - the Firebird, Bogart's.
They can simply release Strategic Reserve until April and work out how to prevent Islamic Terrorism from fomenting Civil War in Nigeria
Right, then they can load all the Nigerian crude on Autobots and have them ship it to the Emerald City via a space elevator. +1!
When goods and services stop crossing boarders, troops do. Same as it ever was.
This is not your beautiful oil field.
I think I just splooged my pants!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIJNQLI6KwY
^^^^^ that was epic! actually converted it to mp3.
sweatier than i ever was.
Whenever I have a down day I just watch that video... Some of the funniest shit I've ever seen...
indeed, but I hear that it is much easier to install oil wells on a glass platform, in comparison to say something like sand...
This is not your beautiful (burka covered) wife.
Obama will divert some of Nigerian oil to Europe, no worry. You driving too much anyway so it will help you to save more on gas and make bigger purchases at your local Walmart.
Hyper-Depression?
I think this is Ron Paul's "Golden Rule"
It's the big man's golden rule. but the best rule is to treat others how they would like to be treated. Normally, that means with dignity and respect.
That only works as long as one has self respect. I submit that American leaders have none of that.
I submit that those people are not leaders, regardless of any rigged popularity contest they may or may not have won.
Good point.
Like I said earlier. A good desert war will help the elites a great deal. It will take care of some extra unnecessary sheeple,provide a nice distraction, and if there is a nuclear accident it's not as detrimentlal if they are turning sand into glass. I am sure they can find some willing Japanese to sacrifice themselves for the greater good to retrieve the oil and gold.
This is interesting.
WE can export to Europe now. Relieve some of that excess sloshing at Cushing and put Texas to work.
Did'nt Goldman or Morgan buy a bunch of filled tankers and let them sit around last time oil was at 30?
It would be cute too. Iran stops it themselves, we have no legal reason to make war and that is the end of it.
Legal reason!?! We don't need no stinkin' legal reason!
Well isn't that just grand ... Europe was using the time til July to quietly grant a bunch of exemptions so that the "ban" would not actually inflict pain on Europe, and Iran goes and throws a wrench into the works.
Maybe Washington's poodles (Europe) will learn to run their own foreign policy, looking after their own interests rather than trailing along behind the US/Israeli mandates.
A good old fashion "here here". Sheeple more like sheeurope
I think you mean Ewerope.
I'm cool with Iran's new law.
Why do I have the feeling more magnetic car bombings are in the future for Iran?
It looks like the eu afternoon rumermill has become un-envoge.
The global depression has already commenced and finds itself in the very early innings.
We move one day closer to global Hyperinflationary depression and yes, we will witness a 2-handle in crude; 5+ -handle gold, as well as 2+ -handle silver before all is said and done.
Game On!
thinking all commodities will do well moving forward. especially those in your possession. The mantra "if you can't physically touch it, you don't own it" will become more popular.
Anyone know how much food and other commodities are imported into Iran? What, no oil? Okay, no soup for you!
Other than pistacio nuts and figs, just about everything else is imported.
So, Russian and China will be importing the food for Iran then? Someone might want to tell them to mind the "milk" coming from China.
Indeed; give us oil or we will stop poisoning you with Monsanto GMO Frankenshit.
Yes, well, so long as Iran can feed itself. Good luck with that.
TD - I don't think your post was NDAA compliant.
the american sanctions are precisely the type of policy one could expect from a bunch of psychopathic frat boys....little neocon boys trying to act tough in order to make the world safe for another war...
Yeah, Obama is such a neocon it's ridiculous.
Such a sad simplistic perspective :(
FrankThinkTank
Sure he is,why he NUBS Izzzy so much.
Iran has a hand full of aces, and they just called the West's bluff.
Except that the US owns the house over Iran's head.
I suspect two of Iran's aces, Russia and China, would strongly disagree. Stop thinking from the perspective of the empire. It's blinding you from the truth.
Draft bitches!
MUST....KILL....DEMAND!
Peak Oil, Peak Production, Peak Whatever. Exponential decline is your friend.
I guess the Europeans will come crawling on their knees for Canadian tar sands oil after decades of dissing out the seal hunt. I say grovel, let them eastern bastards freeze in the dark.
The only problem is that Canadian space shipping route to Europe is not ready yet
I don't know if ppl. actually really noticed, but Calgary with its backdrop of mountains and tower in the skyline looks awfully like Tehran. Tehran is really just doing an Albertan thing. 'Let those eastern bastard freeze in the dark' was an expression during the National Energy Policy days.
Iran, the new Alberta. Catchy!
Curiously, the Iranians aught to be saying: 'Let those Western Bastards freeze in the dark!'
Can they not fast track it, now that Keystone has to be re-routed? Perhaps a million Chinese laborer could speed it up...wonder if they could stand the pole weather?
The Canadians have different ideas. They have openly discussed investigating the "Asian market" as a recipient of the oil...Just sayin' the Obutthead screwed the US and eased China a big fat roll of commodities under the table.
What are the Europeans going to offer in exchange, IOUs (a promise to promise to pay)?
You must have missed the recent news about China signing up for lots of this goo.
Save the popcorn for when the law has actually "Passed".
Its about time. Good for Iran. Unfortunately anything that would hurt Europe will continue to be a boon for America as more robots will line up to buy even more US treasuries at an even more amazingly low interest rate. If Europe starts to have a bigger false recovery than us than we will have to look at our shit mess again which is what we need to do.
Must speed up Libya resolution.
In case the bill is voted. Because nothing is acquired here.
Looks like poker, a card game that has spread with US citizenism, has reached Iran and they are playing chicken bluff like good US citizens.
Tyler you forgot an important point....Sharks have been put on the endangered list. Are there any sea bass in the gulf?
http://youtu.be/Bh7bYNAHXxw
Sea bass nukes?
Maybe near Japan.
Next move - Greece to dump EU, Euro, bondholders, sanctions, and start again from scratchl
Reminds me of those old 3 Stooges skits: you can't fire me; I quit.
Oh, wise guy, eh?
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
I suggest they trade the oil which is not going to Europe in a currency other than the US$ -which they should have started long ago- to piss off both Europe and the US. Who knows, maybe Iran is going to be the unexpected event to finally start the much needed crash of the markets. If they do, I'd almost consider going on vacation there... :-)
Yea - those Iranian beaches have some hot burqa action.
Iran officially went to the Euro in 2010 for oil trade
here is an article
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aRviyIsQ.HpY
Actually i think is was even befor that maybe 2007
oops. Thanks. This article had me confused.
I sent notice to the world's super models that I would not have sex with any of them until they all stopped wearing those weird shoes that make them look like they have hooves.
Shortly after that - those shoes became unbelievably popular.
It is quite amazing how the US and EU have been bitch-slapped on a global scale. Kind of makes me feel like a 10-year old school boy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BRw_ihZRJI
Must be my memory, but I just cannot conjure up what a 10-year old school boy feeling is like. Anyway...
Nothing amazing about it at all. When you're used to firing at everything in order to get your way and then you run out of bullets, well, it should be no surprise that the phrases "give me all you have" or "stop!" no longer have any power.
But, Newt has a solution don't ya know, we're going to form a new US Christian Nation on the Moon! No Mooslims allowed!
You know you want it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RLhdY6_juDk
Lots and lots of beige! ... B E I G E S P A C E S H I P S D U D E!!!
This more Newt's style though (lame and vain as all fuck);
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M1Ug4sCxfdM
Iran hasn't invaded a neighbor in over 100 years - the US has been screwing in their internal affairs since the 50's.
I say good on them - in fact I do hope we start bombing them and lose a carrier in the process and a few thousand soldiers - as bad as that will be - perhaps then and only then will the sleeping sheep in America wake the H**L up and call and end to all this empire agression, TSA, Homeland security BS - the Iranian people's only problem is they are sitting on oil we covet - and we believe we own...
As a veteran myself - I am tired of war and tired living and supporting the 21st C version of Rome -
perhaps then and only then will the sleeping sheep in America wake the H**L up and call and end to all this empire agression
While I appreciate and agree with your sentiment, I'm afraid you're wrong. They've had ten years to wake up and haven't done so. There's absolutely no public discourse re illegal invasion in Iraq / unnecessary invasion in Afghanistan. Iran sinking a carrier would only galvanize the sheeple into supporting exponential escalation of "the war on terror".
Remember, they're sub-human raghead terrorists living in caves, on top of our oil! /sarc/
TSA, DHS, et al. are there for the very purpose of making sure people don't wake up. I'm afraid the only possible action that may wake more people would be a direct strike on amerika, reminding everyone that we are connected to the rest of the world and our actions have consequences. Well, that and/or hyperinflation...
I'm a vet as well. I too am tired of living in 21 C. Rome. Rome also experience hyper inflation, after debasing the silver currency for common trade. Sound familiar?
"I'm afraid the only possible action that may wake more people would be a direct strike on amerika"
Like 9/11 (assuming the "official" story)?
No, such would be as it always is, a mechanism with which to rally the citizens, lock away dissidents, and carry on as usual; oh, and start up another war.
Not that it likely matters, but I'm also a vet...
Does Iran really want to be turned into a parking lot?
It'd just mean the oil would end up in US/EU hands anyway.
I remember that same line of thought about Iraq. "why send troops, just bomb the shit out of it and turn it into a parking lot" is one meme I heard a few times, sometimes with nukes.
Just so you know, you are advocating the murder of millions of non-combatant women and children in pursuit of keeping our fucking SUV's guzzling cheap gas. Just a quick thought tho... I wonder what the oligarchs would do with the price of oil IF they do attain monopoly control over it... Something tells me that prices would only move in one direction, up.
You've got to couch it in terms that people like this can understand!
It's like this:
Do you know that if you used nukes then you'd be dropping American Troops into a radioactive environment? Also, you'd be subjecting American operators to working those oil facilities in such an environment: remember: all the Iranians were killed. Why would you want to do such an un-American thing? what do you have against Our Troops?
Greece will cry fool Monday as their car- and heatingfuel runs out, and Europe will save them, again.. ( and instead of paying a low price to the Iranians now, they will get it free from the EU ) Efgharisto Poli!
Iran now has an opportunity to use economic means to help ifs friends (China, Russia) and defeat its foes (USA, Europe) via oil price and availability. Unfortunately, I don't see any way it won't work. The USA won't invade. China and Russia would defend Iran, and we would back down, since we can't afford to hack off either of those.
So in the end, the USA backs off. There's not much we can do here.
The bigger picture is the US being eased off of Eurasia's lawn. Except we're the old guy, not the irritating kids. And we have a bomb.
"China and Russia would defend Iran"
But, you're couching this as though it's a macho/physical war. No, it's TOTAL war, and war doesn't have to happen via gun.
Should be pretty obvious to all that China and Russia ARE defending Iran. If they weren't they wouldn't be making arrangements to trade outside of the USD; they'd wait until the US was done with it's "sanctions" (which, as we all know, would be NEVER, or until an actual physical invasion/war took place).
As my father likes to say "That'll learn ya!" HA HA HA IN YOUR FACE EUROPEAN UNION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They expected Iran to just take it up the keyster like everyone else "Bend over Iran,you might feel a little shrivelled euro prick!"
Sunday HA HA HA Tick Tock Tick Tock!
Alex jones says that we have sent the Enterprise, our oldest aircraft carrier, and due to be decommissioned next year, to the gulf to use it as a False Flag, where we or the Israelis will attack and sink it, blaming it on the Iranians. He says we did the same thing in 1941, sending all the old ships to Pearl and getting the new ones away, cause we knew the attack was coming on Dec 7. And that's what the attack on the Liberty was in 1968, to get us into the war with Egypt, but the Russians interrupted the Israelis before they sunk it. This sounds like a load of crap to me, as the Enterprise has 8 nuclear reactors and it could turn out to be a huge nuclear catastrophe, and our government would never do something so stupid. It's just not the American way.
Why would the Iranianns attack anyway? This sanctions stuff does not appear like it's gonna work. Who makes all these incredibly stupid decisions in the American government? You know the EU would not have done this unless the US wanted it.