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Iran Update: Six (Or Eight) UK Embassy Staff Taken Hostage: Iran Contra Redux?

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Even more mysterious update #2:

  • IRANIAN CENTRAL TV CONFIRMS THAT EIGHT UK EMBASSY STAFF TAKEN HOSTAGE

Mysterious update confirming that something very fishy is going on here:

  • IRAN'S MEHR NEWS AGENCY REMOVES REPORT OF HOSTAGE TAKING FROM ITS WEBSITE - NO EXPLANATION GIVEN

Today's developments are rapidly turning into a repeat of Iran-Contra:

  • SIX UK EMBASSY STAFF TAKEN HOSTAGE BY PROTESTERS IN NORTHERN COMPOUND OF TEHRAN EMBASSY - MEHR NEWS AGENCY

Expect a very formal, and very forceful UK response imminently.

Once again - got Brent?

 

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Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:00 | 1924957 TruthInSunshine
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The British are going to send in Jeremy Clarkston, Benny Hill and Mr. Bean to try and mount a rescue attempt.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:01 | 1924966 achmachat
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I've seen that movie... I think it was called Johnny English.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:03 | 1924984 redcorona
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Someone tell the Tram lady.  THAT is how you deal with unwanted immigrants.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:07 | 1924993 Pladizow
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CIA Assets at work?

America needs an excuse to spread freedom, democracy and liberate the Iranian people (AKA: Oil)!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:18 | 1925079 CPL
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Not CIA. Blackwater/XE.  CIA/FBI/NSA/DHS was crushed by the private contractors, thought everyone got the memo six years ago.  Hell even the US Military has less to do with US military actions.

 

There a reason nobody is paying much attention to bouncing pension checks from the retired spooks, they have zero leverage geopolitically and the teeth were yanked out of all their heads and their lobby groups are ignored.  I personally thought that the King makers had some minerals at one point in time, but the cold war is over so now the four agencies are fighting for the scraps at the table and hoping to keep the lights on.

 

Things are not as they traditionally would be seen.  Think price by project.  Not departments enforcing US influence.  Ever wonder why Mexico is a mess and south America couldn't give a shit about northern gringos?  No teeth.  And TPTB knows it.

 

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:38 | 1925208 end da fed
Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:45 | 1925232 hedgeless_horseman
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Cardigans, solar panels,
and peace in the Middle East, bitchezzz!!!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:48 | 1925263 nonclaim
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In the campaign we were promised the black Kennedy. And we got the Carter?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:05 | 1925286 hedgeless_horseman
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Welcome Black Carter?  Sounds like a sitcom.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:53 | 1925290 GeneMarchbanks
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Carter as in the character played by Chris Tucker in the Rush Hour movie trilogy. Classic Hollywood. Yep, that Carter.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:50 | 1925274 TruthInSunshine
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lulz

You need to put a headshot of John Corzine hiding out begind the bookcase (rumor has it he's on the lam, sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom at night).

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:50 | 1925275 GeneMarchbanks
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The moonbats fell for it. Enjoy, 'Merikans, at least for another 11 months or so.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:40 | 1925221 goldfish1
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pop on to ZH, get jerked back to the real world.

thanks for the post.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:41 | 1925224 g speed
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You may have a point as far as offshore corp. ops. goes, however the gang of four is doing well here at home (in the USA). Drug price support effort doing nicely (war on drugs) --lots of new SS teams springing up (FED private police). Plenty of kickback and payoff in FEMA construction projects, and the privatization of the prison system is going well.  And don't forget the threats, intimidation, propaganda and lies departments of these well established groups----  

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:34 | 1925537 CPL
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They created the framework to do what the US needed to get onto the stage and become a power.  But like so many other historical references regarding secret service agencies they are typically the first to be culled in a soft coup.

 

I know it's not discussed, but the CIA and FBI are in bad shape financially, DHS hasn't been funded properly ever, NSA, well, they are a weirdness all to themselves.  but all three share the same issues all govie agencies suffer from 80% of the people in the agencies are useless as admin, support or ops staff, yet the 20% that actually do the work are carrying the incompetent staff.

 

We'll see the mass layoffs coming and that 20% of useful and effective civil service vaporised. Mainly if you are doing your job in the government, it means you aren't covering your back.  If you do not internally subscribe to the Silos and Taskforce crap and you are NOT deployed, might as well quit.  But in this case, they'll be shit canned.

 

I would be very worried if I were working in the four departments over 22 years.  Means super annuation hasn't happened on the pension and it's easier for a department to turf the employee than keep them for the full 35 year tenure.  Saves billions if not trillions over the long term.

 

April 1st in both DC and Ottawa will be very interesting.  I understand a 30% employee reduction is being suggested for all departments in both the US and Canada.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:13 | 1925755 RoadKill
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Good - they are over funded anyway. FBI should do domestic investigations. CIA should do international operations. NSA and DHS can be scrapped. We don't need to pay 100,000 overweight union retards to pat us down at airports.

And let's HOPE we get a 30% cut in military head count too. Close out the wars. Consolidate all foreign bases into 5 regional HQs and bring all the coldest troops home from Germany, Japan and Korea. We don't need to pay for this shit. Take military spending per GDP to Euro levels and let them pay for their own protection.

And if you want to give me an orgasim, let's extend the 30% headcount cut to ALL federal employees. Cut pay 10% and benefits 50%. Decertify the unions. Anyone that doesn't like it can walk. That'll fix our deficit pretty quick if we privatize and seclude SS, Medicare/Medicaid, Highway Trust Fund, Amtrak, Post Office and everything else that SHOULD be handled by private companies.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 14:35 | 1926462 unnamed enemy
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i don't see how the owners will benefit from any of this.

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:42 | 1926881 sullymandias
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Not CIA. Blackwater/XE.

Really? It feels like IRAN to me. A counterstrike to us sabotaging their missile base.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:11 | 1928028 Tompooz
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..and on the same day Israeli security company Magal Security Systems pops by 67%..

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:18 | 1925088 dwdollar
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There are MANY institutions, industries, and people which benefit from perpetual war.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:22 | 1925112 Momauguin Joe
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The ultimate question one must ask: Who stands to benefit?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:34 | 1925184 Pladizow
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The entire US population!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:05 | 1925352 Carlyle Groupie
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Avid response comrade. Once all the Muzzies are dead the US will be safe, right Alice?

Good luck with that. Next up; TSA check-points at every cross street.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:16 | 1925772 Abitdodgie
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If they put check-points on the streets then it is time to practice long distance groupings on them .

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:53 | 1925293 JoBob
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Maybe it was Iranian protesters without CIA help! SOmetimes things are just what they appear to be.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1924997 achmachat
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and she's already a meme? hehe

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:07 | 1925012 caerus
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ollie north is on it

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:14 | 1925053 a growing concern
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They should send in Richard Hammond in the Marauder.  Here's a testosterone fix to get everyone's Tuesday going right:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDoRmT0iRic&feature=related

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:17 | 1925080 slaughterer
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Brent is flat on this news.  

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 13:03 | 1925983 CPL
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Brent is other people's oil with a 10% fee.  WTI is where you get the number from.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:28 | 1925149 rbg81
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These folks will be held hostage until the first Iranian nuke (and delivery system) is ready to go.  Its all about making sure no more sabotague occurs till then.

And no relation to "Iran Contra".  Geeze.....

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:41 | 1925229 aleph0
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Could we send Tony Blair as well please ?

;-)

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:46 | 1925256 azzhatter
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Send Nigel Farage

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:00 | 1924959 misterc
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Carpetbomb!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:12 | 1925044 Carlyle Groupie
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Quick, someone at the PentiCON lose $4.8 Trillion US fiatcons.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:14 | 1925058 CORNGUY
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Fuck that.     Nuke 'em

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:15 | 1925066 CORNGUY
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Maybe we will get lucky and they will retaliate by Nukin DC

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:01 | 1924964 unky
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Is this the tipping point to start a war?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:11 | 1925313 Libertarian777
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It's the same old same old. Exactly what Ron Paul's been saying. Economic sanctions don't hurt the regime, it hurts the little guy in the street. All the ruling elites in Iran need to do is then demonise the west and let their sheeple do their dirty work. With all the war mongering the west has been doing the average Iranian probably supports the bomb and this embassy action. Blowback bitchezzz.

 

Note, its the sheeple on BOTH sides that does the dirty work. Iranian sheeple protest and take over an embassy, US and UK sheeple sign up for the 'serving your country' BS and invade Iran. Who dies? SHEEPLE.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:36 | 1925544 CPL
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It's been planned for two years.  Nice big nuke fight.  Don't need spooks for a nuke fight.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:01 | 1924965 lizzy36
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AWESOME.

Obama's presidency really is a redux of Jimmy Carters. 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:02 | 1924971 fasTTcar
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Damn lizzy, you beat me too it.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:04 | 1924987 GeneMarchbanks
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UK = the new Israel.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:27 | 1925051 Carlyle Groupie
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You didn't see the marriage of the jewess to the prince?

A Jewish King And Queen Of England?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:16 | 1925399 john39
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dig a little deeper into windsor family history, the prince married one of his own.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:24 | 1925057 hedgeless_horseman
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Except I believe Israel's real GDP growth is still positive.

The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) predicts gross domestic product (GDP) growth for the UK will be 0.9% in 2011 and 0.7% in 2012.

Pick any number for inflation, and this spells more recession/depression/stagflation.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:35 | 1925185 SheepDog-One
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The Pope owns 65% of Israel property.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:40 | 1925213 GeneMarchbanks
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Are you insinuating an Israeli property bubble?

Cause I'm ready to short.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:07 | 1925323 nonclaim
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The Queen of England owns a good size of the country and she's also head of the Anglicans. What's your point?

Hmm... on the other hand the royal family is no longer prohibited from marrying Catholics... I think we can brew a good conspiracy here :)

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:37 | 1925203 DogSlime
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eh?

How can the UK possibly be the new Israel?  What criteria make the UK any more the "new Israel" than, say, France or the US?

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1924992 LawsofPhysics
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This surprises you?  We have had a one world government since the creation of the Fed, only strenghtened by the creation of the U.N.  The spice in Iran must flow into the "free" market according the wishes of the NWO.  Same as it ever was.  Now get back on that wheel lizzy.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:13 | 1925047 Smiddywesson
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AWESOME.

Obama's presidency really is a redux of Jimmy Carters. 

Obama in a fireside chat, wearing a sweater and quoting his daughter's foreign policy?

Remember when Carter was attacked by a rabbit?  Obama would clobber the little rodent.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:27 | 1925143 knukles
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The billboard...

Pictures of Carter and Obama with the tag line
"Miss me yet?"

 

 

(softly humming song about manifest destiny)

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:28 | 1925147 CrimsonAvenger
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No, Obama would set him up with a sweet apartment and free food and send you the bill.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:15 | 1925767 mick_richfield
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Remember when Carter was attacked by a rabbit?  Obama would clobber the little rodent.

Not if he used a 5-iron.  He can't hit the broad side of a barn with a 5-iron.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 13:05 | 1925997 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Smiddy

Finally I get to disagree with you about something!  :)

Either the little rodent would clobber the O, or the O would have to contract out the hit...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:02 | 1924970 LawsofPhysics
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Taken hostage by whom precisely?  CIA lead "protestors" in Iran perhaps?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:52 | 1925281 ToNYC
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Key words: Hostage, Embassy. Make no mistake. There is only one playbook when it comes to official information. 1980 and Jimmy Carter, who will sell out the US next in this shock doctrine that the pet cat nearby sits quietly with no intentions, but extreme instigation.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:02 | 1924975 San Diego Gold Bug
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Here it comes.....much higher oil prices and possibly gas lines again.  This should be good for another 300 points on the dow!  Gold will run higher for sure as will silver.  For siler, I found a cool website last night on TF for comparing the prices of all dealers.  comparesilverprices.com.  Just FYI

I hope this doesn't start WW3!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:04 | 1924991 SheepDog-One
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Ah...they WANT WW3 to start!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:07 | 1925017 San Diego Gold Bug
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I know they do...I say that becuase I have kids!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:13 | 1925048 SheepDog-One
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I understand.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:10 | 1925302 Esso
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The JIZ [jews, israel, zionists] are fixin' to throw your kiddies into the kosher goyim grinder.

Oh well, as long as the goyims is dyin', it's all good. Don't matter if it's Amerikkan goyim, Iranian goyim, Syrian goyim, etc.

"Kill, kill, kill the goyim!" has been the JIZ battle cry since they attacked Amerikka in 1913 with the federal reserve act.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:46 | 1926909 sullymandias
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"Esso", is that French for "Asshole"?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:31 | 1925165 Chump
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Thanks for that site.  It looks like APMEX hasn't been raping me, but I haven't been getting a great deal either...

And good luck with the kids.  I'm guessing my son will be sharpshooting with my .22 before he knows his multiplication tables.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:56 | 1925668 San Diego Gold Bug
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Your welcome.  I was buying from Apmex but I switched when I found Liberty.

I think my ten year old is going to learn how to shoot my .22 this summer.  Have a good one!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:03 | 1924978 williambanzai7
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Is Billy Carter still trapped in a Tehran rug disco?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:11 | 1925037 thunderchief
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Where is that beer drinking piece of trash when we need him.

Send him to Tehran...That is all they deserve...

Billy Carter...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:22 | 1925111 Smiddywesson
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Dead at age 51, pancreatic cancer

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:03 | 1924981 SheepDog-One
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Im sure its good for equities.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:06 | 1925003 GeneMarchbanks
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As someone pointed out yesterday, CNBC is quickly pointing to the upcoming melt-up in crude and materials... bullish of course.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:03 | 1924983 achmachat
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The weird thing is not that Obama is going to enter the books as the US President who was involved in the biggest number of wars, but that he actually had a Nobel Peace Prize!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:20 | 1925429 john39
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war really is peace.  /s

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:04 | 1924985 lolmao500
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Shiiiiiiiiiit.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:04 | 1924990 The Axe
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If you ever had a weak moment and thought the markets weren't complelely fixed, and your leaders not totally corrupt??  Read this Bloomberg story about Hank Bazooka Dickweed     http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-29/how-henry-paulson-gave-hedge-funds-advance-word-of-2008-fannie-mae-rescue.html

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1924994 Freeman-S-Stratos
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This is BS.

 

Release FREE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY!

 

No more War

No more Economic "problems"

No more "peak" oil...

2 Hour documentary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eRooYZJL-E

 

 

 

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:08 | 1925025 Iriestx
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Yeah, some lunatic on youtube found a way to void the laws of theromodynamics.

 

Sure thing.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:15 | 1925063 Vergeltung
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lol, "yeah, we'll get right on that"

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:47 | 1925618 L_Estasi_dell_Oro
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First of all:

(A Coefficient of Performance (CoP)  > 1 ) != A perpetuum mobile!

 

A windmill or a sailing boat also get more 'energy out' than is 'put in'. Extracting energy from a dynamic, kinetic vacuum flux of virtual particles is not getting 'energy from nothing'.

It's picking up energy from a real source. Just a few cubic inches of space, no matter where in the universe, holds enough energy to boil all the oceans on this planet. Our task is simply to gather that energy, just like the sails of a boat are 'gathering the energy of the wind'.

It's not that magical if you think about it in these terms!

 

Secondly: Those "LAWS" are based on observations mankind made and the most fitting models of how we see our Universe.

These "LAWS" are valid until we observe situations that break them, they're not "LAWS" that are written and enforced by some Deity.

 

Now read this:

 

CHALLENGING THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS

with Professor DANIEL SHEEHAN PhD, Physics DepartmentUniversity of San Diego

 

The reflexive response from mainstream science about the possibility of producing free energy from the vacuum is that it is not possible as this would violate the second law of thermodynamics.

Over the last 20 years the absolute status of the second law has come under increased scrutiny, more than during any other period in its 180-year history.  Since the early 1980's, roughly 50 papers representing over 20 challenges have appeared in the refereed scientific literature.  In July 2002, the first conference on its status was convened at the University of San Diego, attended by 120 researchers from 25 countries.   In 2004, the mainstream scientific journal Entropy published a special edition devoted to second law challenges.  And, in July 2004, an echo of the first conference was held in Prague, Czech Republic.

The breadth and depth of recent challenges are remarkable.  They span three orders of magnitude in temperature, twelve orders of magnitude in size;  they are manifest in condensed matter, plasma, gravitational, chemical, and biological physics;  they cross classical and quantum mechanical boundaries.  Several have strong corroborative experimental support, and laboratory tests attempting bona fide violation are on the horizon.  Considered en masse, the second law's absolute status can no longer be taken for granted, nor can challenge to it be casually dismissed.

In this DVD, University of San Diego physics professor Dr. Daniel Sheehan who co-hosted the two conferences, gives us a tour of the field as seen through the mainstream eyes of an honest seeker of the truth.  A dynamic, fascinating and entertaining speaker, he shows that all is not well with the concept of the inviolability of the second law.

http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/Disc8/index.html

 

Have fun opening your mind!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:27 | 1925810 LawsofPhysics
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Any peer-reviewed work to confirm you web link?  In addition, many will take pieces of work of such scientists and twist it to fit their agenda while ignoring the whole body of work, thanks for playing, but the internet is full of shit.  Have you actually read the works cited, they arive at quite a different conclusion, the web link seem to pick certain peices of the work out to cite.  My mind is open, who else has confirmed any of this web site is saying?  Waiting...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 13:14 | 1926045 seventree
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To address specific examples: if the sailboat, the windmill, and earth's atmosphere are treated as a closed system, then that system's energy is reduced according to the amount of work performed by the sailboat and windmill. In other words entropy has increased. This energy was supplied by solar heat and planetary spin (outside sources). There is no contradiction and no free lunch.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 13:35 | 1926157 Coronal Mass Ej...
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Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in perpetual energy....however...we once thought the world was flat and that the sun orbited our Earth....yeah, that worked out well...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:19 | 1925039 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, it is B.S., but so is any perpetual energy machine.  The world/system that you and I and all of humanity have access to is in fact finite (1st law) and slowly proceeding towards total chaos (2nd law).  There is a very real carrying capacity for the earth so don't worry, the more these central planners try and control Nature, the more they will lose control and all the technologies that you are hinting at will be "re-discovered" out of necessity.  Trust me, if things like cold fusion were real, companies like G.E. would already be profiting from it, that is all they care about, period.  They would be buying every single politician in every single government to get the technology implemented (regardless of any environmental impact) right now.  Wake the fuck up, got physical assets of real value, tradable skills, and like-minded neigbors?  You fucking better.

 

Oh and by the way, U-tube and wikipedia are not reliable sources, again wake the fuck up, go talk to someone who has actually had a real job in the field of energy for 20-30 fucking years.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:31 | 1925162 Smiddywesson
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You are right about gimmicks like cold fusion, but fusion is powerful enough to fuel the sun, so it is not a gimmick, and there is potential to harness it.  We cracked the fission puzzle, and have been working on fusion for many decades.  We are not as far away as you might think.  Once we do, we will have unlimited clean energy and water.  Until then, you are correct, we are left with oil. 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:34 | 1925182 Chump
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The key, however, is to crack the fusion problem before we descend back into the dark ages.  Seems...unlikely.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:11 | 1925370 LawsofPhysics
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The advancement of both fission and fusion has been funded by TAX REVENUE.  Does anyone really see the rich risking their captial moving forward.  I think you just answered your question regarding " before we descend back into the dark ages. "

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 13:08 | 1926011 TheFourthStooge-ing
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We have been about 20 years away from a breakthrough in controlled fusion since 1970.

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:50 | 1926936 sullymandias
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The key, however, is to crack the fusion problem before we descend back into the dark ages.  Seems...unlikely.

That depends on who "we" are. I'll bet the Russians are investing more in cold fusion research than anyone in the West.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:35 | 1925187 dasein211
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For those who say perpetual motion is bullshit let me repeat that every damn molecule and planet and celestial body is in motion without some fuckin V6 engine moving it. We just gotta figure out exactly why.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:48 | 1925261 DogSlime
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@dasein211

Repeat all you want - the issue isn't that every molecule has kinetic energy, the issue is that there must be an energy GRADIENT in order to get the energy from it.  Look up entropy.

You can't extract energy from brownian motion of gas molecules once they're at the same energy level as the system you're trying to feed.

The steam in a steam engine is useful because the water molecules have GREATER heat (and thereby more motion) than the surroundings.  As work is extracted, the water molecules lose heat until they have the SAME engergy as their surroundings.  At that point, no more energy can be extracted from them because although they have energy, they only have the same energy as their surroundings.

YOU CAN'T GET USEFUL WORK FROM SOMETHING UNLESS IT HAS MORE ENERGY THAN THE SYSTEM YOU'RE TRYING TO FEED!  JUST BECAUSE IT ISN'T AT 0 DEGREES KELVIN DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN GET ENERGY FROM IT!

So I'll repeat - look up entropy and thermodynamics.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:58 | 1925321 g speed
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I bet you worked on a steam ship in the old days-- after you lose the plant a few time you understand the concept perfectly.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:57 | 1925665 bonderøven-farm ass
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Still using steam in most of our naval ships...Thermal Dynamic Propulsion.  

 

Edit:  US Navy that is.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:58 | 1925308 MachoMan
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I'll defer to the poster above me

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:06 | 1925358 MsCreant
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I'm floored this conversation is necessary here on this site.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:16 | 1925362 TheAkashicRecord
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//We just gotta figure out exactly why//

It's not a mystery as to why objects are in motion, that were previously in motion.  

Here are some things working on a cosmological scale 

- Gravitational force (keeps planets orbiting around the sun)  

 - The Big Bang (universe is still expanding because of this)

- Dark energy is repulsive, responsible for the accelerating expansion of the universe (both models, cosmological constant and quintessance agree that dark energy has negative pressure) 

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:46 | 1925609 LawsofPhysics
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So your plan is to harness the energy that keeps the planets moving so that they stop moving.  That should result in any disurptions in the natural cycles that maintain life as we know it.  NOT.

The motion of celestial bodies has been well destribed and explained by many, go to any credible physics department for an explanation on who those people are.  You could also talk to any engineer that has worked in the real world to deliver payloads to Mars.  Educate yourself fucknut.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:08 | 1925364 LawsofPhysics
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Not shit sherlock that "fusion is no gimmic"  but neither is the fact that there is no life on the sun nor the fact that there are waste products of fusion reaction and the FACT that there is a HUGE capital and energy cost for building such and reactor and the FACT that their is no commercial fusion reactor available now to safely deliver power to even one city.  By the way, how does having a fusion process that requires a physical input and that creates WASTE lead you to conclusion that energy and water will now be infinite?  You still have a physical input and a physical output that need to be dealt with.

Who is funding all this, have the rich suddenly decided to risk their captial on this?  Not likely as up until now the advancement of both fission and fusion technologies is funded by TAXES and precisely where do you see the future of tax revenue going?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:57 | 1925675 L_Estasi_dell_Oro
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Not so fast... Cold Fusion might be more than a gimmick.. don't throw out the baby with the bathwater because of 1989..

 

http://www.lenr-canr.org/

http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:_Cold_Fusion:_60_Minutes:_More_Than_Ju...

http://pesn.com/2011/04/07/9501805_Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Validated_by_Swedis...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi%27s_E-Cat_Validations

 

No time right now to add more links..

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:36 | 1925200 TheAkashicRecord
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Thank you.  

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:32 | 1925337 Freeman-S-Stratos
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So I guess you were able to watch this two hour documentary, backed up with facts, in those 15 mins it took for you to respond?

 

Just because I challenged your current paradigm, no need to unleash a tirade of abuse. Heard of Normalcy Bias?

 

If you really believe "companies like G.E." would release this tech then you're really naive! You can't profit!

http://thrivemovement.com/fact_checks

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1924995 lolmao500
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Also :

Iranian protesters have stormed 2nd British embassy compound elsewhere in Tehran, seized 'classified' documents: IRNA News Agency - @Reuters

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1924996 MsCreant
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"Expect a very formal, and very forceful UK response imminently."

I say ole chap, they are meeting up for an "Occupy" movement over at the US Embassy. Move along now. Very good.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:08 | 1925019 GeneMarchbanks
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"Expect a very formal, and very forceful UK response imminently."

QE?

Just sayin'

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:15 | 1925061 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, throw more fiat at them so that Iran can refuse to accept it in exchange for oil and we can get the war started already.  Everyone knows precisely where this is headed, the spice must flow.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:43 | 1925242 end da fed
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AND WE HAVE A WINNER! you, sir, are dead-on. what you said = 'nuff said

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:53 | 1925287 TruthInSunshine
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Iran has no central bank?!!!

Say what?

Haven't they heard what happened to the 7 (scratch that...check mark next to Libya now)...I mean 6 nations without fractional reserve banking Central Banksters?

Those 6 nations are on Santa's Naughty list...send in the jackals, bitchez.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:55 | 1925295 ToNYC
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All peace is marked and enforced by good trade. A pox on those that deflect the life blood and river that the people swim in.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:14 | 1925379 LawsofPhysics
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Yep, sheeple drive their cars, power by fossil fuels (or electricity generated by burning fossil fuels), on road made out of fossil fuels to go to their plastic houses (made of and filled with all kinds of items made out of fossil fuels) and can not even recognize the spice for what it is.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:15 | 1925062 MsCreant
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I'll give you this, that is a forceful response. Kind of like a suicide bomb.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:14 | 1925056 SheepDog-One
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Theyre assembling the Monty Python crew as we speak!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:16 | 1925069 Vergeltung
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summon Zombie Thatcher ASAP!!!!!!

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:18 | 1925082 a growing concern
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Mmmm... quite.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1925001 San Diego Gold Bug
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The move in the dow yesterday was probably Nancy Pelosi and friends loading up on military industrial stocks!!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:07 | 1925009 Tsar Pointless
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See Eye Aye ops.

No doubt.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:08 | 1925018 The Ram
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Well, this looks a bit fishy. Can we say 'agent provacatuers.'  Seems this may be the easiest way to start a war and make it look like the Iranians fault.  Remember the movie 'Patton.'  Patton begs General Beetle Smith to allow him to start a war with the Russians: "I'll start a war with them in 10 days and make it look like their fault."

Ok, let's watch the show!

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:08 | 1925020 thunderchief
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Losers...

Starting this with the English in this day and age..

This is worse than have sex with your little sister.

Fuck you Iran.. you sick fucks...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:13 | 1925377 NotApplicable
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This is just another episode of Let's you and him fight!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:08 | 1925023 Quinvarius
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If the Iranian government, currently led by someone involved in the US hostage taking, doesn't fix this ASAP, this is all that is needed to over escalate the situation.  I think Iran has miscalculated if they think Jimmy Carter is running point on crisis control.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:09 | 1925028 hedgeless_horseman
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The jackyls have failed.  We begin bombing in five minutes.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:13 | 1925049 GeneMarchbanks
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'We begin bombing in five minutes.'

Two things: who is this 'we' everyone speaks of that I cannot seem to find a joining committee? When did 'we' ever stop bombing?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:17 | 1925076 LawsofPhysics
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"When did 'we' ever stop bombing?"

Precisely, the NWO has only been getting stronger since the creation of the Fed and the U.N.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:54 | 1925250 bank guy in Brussels
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Ronald Reagan's famous "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today, that I have signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever ... We begin bombing in five minutes" was used to create some curious post-punk musical pieces using Reagan's voice ...pretty eerie for those of us who remember those days:

'Bonzo Goes to Washington - Bombing in Five Minutes', from 1984:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqB60Rq1o-A

Another piece with more quotes from Reagan and riffing off the above, 'Deconstructing Dutch [Reagan]':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO9RaQ387d4

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:10 | 1925033 Al Gorerhythm
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Occupy Tehran next?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:10 | 1925034 HD
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Those who compare Obama to Jimmy Carter will have a field day...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:57 | 1925310 ToNYC
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Presidents don't have the big stick. They need to work with wet noodles. Look what they did with big, swinging dick JFK.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:11 | 1925038 stock trout
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Well, I guess my cruise on the Queen Elizabeth II will be canceled so they can transport the British army to Iran. We can expect a British invasion in 3 weeks to 3 months, depending on whether the QE II can fit thru the Suez Canal.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:23 | 1925125 Crassus
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They'll fly Virgin.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 13:51 | 1926224 Coronal Mass Ej...
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They won't be flying any virgins until after the suicide bombings ;)

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:59 | 1925324 ToNYC
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The perception is the drama, that is best serve chilled. As in living well is the best revenge.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:11 | 1925042 spinone
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Funny SAS story.

Marines were partying with SAS over in the UK at a pub.  They had some food and were mking gross stuff and eating it, trying to out do each other.  One SAS guy took a roll to the WC, shat on it and came back to the table, put mustard on it, and ate it.

The man who eats shit for fun is not to be underestimated.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:30 | 1925163 CrimsonAvenger
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We have different definitions of funny.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:38 | 1925209 crawldaddy
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not so funny story. Iran beat Iraq in their last war in the 1980's because even though Iran was outgunned they had millions of soldiers.  So Iran sent their "soldiers" Head first into the Iraqi lines with nothing but their korans.  They told them to grab rifles from fallen Iraq soldiers if the saw them.  This offensive move worked.  Why? because Iran had more bodies than Iraq had bullets. Iraqi lines were over run. Iran turned the tide of that war and won.

Eating shit is just gross, Having hundreds of thousands of men charging into the front lines catching bullets is an enemy you have to take seriously.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:07 | 1925272 Carlyle Groupie
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Everyone knows the brits eat shit. It's a way of life for them. Taught at a young age as a delicacy. First introduced to them by their lizard captures.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:58 | 1925319 Crassus
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They followed children who advanced through the minefields blowing whistles.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:07 | 1925357 MachoMan
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I hope you're joking...  in a "traditional" military motion like what you're describing, those people simply get mowed down like a damn duck hunt.  Our weapons of war are far too efficient at killing for these types of actions to be taken seriously...

Hence guerrilla warfare...

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:12 | 1925043 vegas
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I thought the world was in "kumbayyah mode" after Soetero was immaculated?

No problem Brits; between 18 holes and a Georgetown basketball game, "The One" will issue a formal statement calling for restraint. Problem solved. Expect the release sometime 2014. nasty paperwork don't-ya-know.

 

http://vegasxau.blogspot.com

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:12 | 1925045 eigenvalue
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Any female hostage? Any BDSM stuff?:)

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:13 | 1925050 MsCreant
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The Pistachios MUST flow...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:43 | 1925239 gmrpeabody
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MsCreant, good to see you're still stalking around  the Tin Foil Forest.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:14 | 1925054 Mitch Comestein
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Barry Carter, hold on tight to that teleprompter.  You are going to need it!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:14 | 1925059 Fix It Again Timmy
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In this day and age, instead of loading sailing ships with troops for a 2-3 month voyage to the land of the infidels, we can launch missiles in a matter of minutes and begin around the clock bombing in a matter of days - we are sooooo... ADVANCED!!!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:16 | 1925074 JiminGA
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When US citizens are taken hostage the US negotiates endlessly.  When Brits are taken hostage they send their version of Seal Team Six to extract them.  This could get very interesting.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:17 | 1925075 prole
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Iran vs. England.

Seems like a fair fight, is it on pay-per-view?

The one thing I don't see mentioned alot is that the Iranians don't ezakly love their mullarific government. If the bullets start flying will Western-looking international outlook Persians rally-round-the-turban?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:17 | 1925078 caconhma
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It appears that Iraian leaders have o control of their population. Iran is in a deap shit.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:18 | 1925089 Carlyle Groupie
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Awww, how sweet… A volunteer group of professional photographers taking pictures of the “warriors” and their families as they go off to fight “for our freedom”. Anybody catch the tone yet? A sickly sweet family scene with a father in the Air Force being deployed, leaving behind his young son and his wife, 6 months preggers with his next son, whose birth he’s going to miss because he’s going to be Blowing Other Young Mothers and Children and Their Families Apart with high explosives. So he’s playing toy soldiers with his son, that’s right, go ahead and teach your kid to be more cannon fodder/Imperial Storm Trooper in the endless war started by Billionaires to stuff their bank accounts with more blood money, and they’ll tell your kid that it’s all about “freedom” and “protecting America” and other lies. “When I grow up I’m going to be a merciless butcher of Human Beings just like Daddy!”

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:20 | 1925095 lolmao500
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Now the question is... is Cameron a bigger pussy than Carter?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:21 | 1925098 Nine Pies
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"Iran-Contra" is not the same thing as the Iranian Hostage Crisis.  The US hostages in Iran back in 79-80 were a very real deal.  The "Iran-Contra" conspiracy theory alleges a massive arms deal as part of the timed detention and release of those hostages, but has never really been proven.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:26 | 1925141 Peter K
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Can't let the facts get in the way of THE narrative :)

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