Ireland: "Germany Is Our New Master"
Not only is Germany at the epicenter of the Italian-Spanish-French save-us 'discussion', they have now managed to add Ireland to their 'Uber Alles'. Reuters is reporting the leak of confidential Irish budget information by German lawmakers and Irish parliamentarians are seething - viewing the leak as 'incredible' and 'unprecedented'. Given the new laws, Germany now has the right to be fully informed about bailout countries' progress before new tranches of funds are paid out. As the Irish Daily Mirror put it perfectly "Germany is our new master."
Reuters: Ireland cries foul after German budget leak
The Irish government has complained to European partners after confidential budget information shared with its EU-IMF lenders was leaked by German lawmakers, sparking a political storm at home.
The media and opposition reacted furiously at the fact that the details of the December budget were presented to German lawmakers before their Irish counterparts, heightening fears that its EU-IMF bailout has undermined Irish sovereignty.
"Germany is our new master," ran a banner front-page headline in the Irish Daily Mirror. Opposition leaders in parliament described the leaks as "incredible" and "unprecedented" and demanded the government explain.
New German laws give its parliament the right to be fully informed about bailout countries' progress before new trenches of funds are paid out and Ireland's main opposition party led cries Germany was now calling the shots in Europe.
Germany is pushing aggressively for EU treaty change to create tighter fiscal discipline across the bloc and a spokesman for its finance ministry said there was a clear procedure allowing parliament to see confidential documents belonging to countries in EU/IMF programmes.
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The leader of Ireland's largest opposition party said voters were entitled to an explanation of why the information was given to European partners before Irish lawmakers.
"I think it will be damaging in the sense that it plays to a narrative that Germany is calling shots all over Europe," Fianna Fail leader Michael Martin told Reuters.
"It will damage sentiment towards Europe and that is a problem."
And someone still thinks that this uber dysfunctional Europe can become a federal union?
It is evidently clear that sovereignty is indeed blurring at the edges - cue Nigel Farage.
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Didn't they side with Germany during WW II ?
beugen Sie unten, bevor das, das Sie dienen
Erin go braughless. I like her better that way!
Yay Fourth Reich!
Springtime for Hitler!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo
Germany is doing with the pen what they wanted to do with the sword!
The path to WWII was also economic.
I'm willing to bet the causes of 99% of all wars have been economic.
Meanwhile Putin has this looping on his computer as his minature giraffe runs the treadmill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY
FAZ (German newspaper) did an interview with Ireland's Prime Minister recently and this was the very start of the conversation:
:)
Source: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/europaeische-union/im-gespraech-enda-...
When your partners have secret budgets, you have too many partners.
Very interesting. Thanks. Well, you must know that Volker Kauder (considered to be an idiot by me) recently said 'Europe must learn to speak German' (of course he did not mean to speak the language, but more to behave like the Germans).
I find that utterly wrong and also very arrogant. Germany has a lot of problems which often go unnoticed in the recent discussion. While it certainly did some things right, it should not be in the position to command anyone around. Given our history, we should be more cautious and mind our words better. Having said that it is okay if we check what the others do before we send them any money. Of course if anybody would've listened to the eurosceptical (not to confuse with nationalistic or anti-european or anything like that) group in our country, the Irish and the Germans would not be in this stupid and mind boggling situation of today.
Hope my next Guinness won't be poisoned. A life without a Guinness and no Irish Poets, no Dubliners - I'd rather kill myself... ;)
Germany has always been the master.
Except this time the master has revealed herself to do the slave whipping herself.
Politically, the island is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers just under five sixths of the island, and Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, which covers the remainder and is located in the northeast of the island. Thanks.
Regards,
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What is up with that guy's eyebrows and vinyl toupee? Creepy. But your point is well taken, I was in the service during the cold war and am disappointed that the USA did not better engage the Russians after the breakup of the USSR, we could have made great friends with them and helped guide them to a better and mutually beneficial future, instead they are now more dangerous than ever.
OMG Mini Giraffe ftw!
I'm willing to bet the causes of 99% of all wars have been due to religion.
Fixed it for ya...
Politics is a religion. Communism, Socialism and Nazism all have there pie-in-the-sky utopian dreams. The 3 "ism's" are also very much secular religions with their own dogmas, and have actually killed more people than simple religion. I think communism is the winner with over 100 million killed for their secular/atheist utopia. And even the "simple" religions that did any killing, did it via centralized government mandate. Religion alone, without the force of government behind it, has no power to do mass murder.
I always laugh at those who say secularism is more sane. As long as idealistic human beings are involved in muscling their "ideals" on the rest of us there will be prisons, torture, and ultimately death camp for the unbelievers in the secularist's dreams.
Frankly I have my beliefs, but don't have the least desire to force them on those that disagree with them. I just wish people would stop trying to vote (coerce) me into their idealistic, socialist/fascist, governmentally run, legalistic, horror-show.
Religion is just the method the rulers communicate with the unlearned, the ones that still want to believe in Santa Whatshername.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4?BCE - 61CE)
Anyone who thinks differently than you is "unlearned", huh?
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'" [Psalm 14:1]
religion=government for, of, and by the weak minded.
...Religious too...
@Pladizow, I get the impression that …that’s always been in the cards.
Money - The 12th and Final Religion ( http://www.rduanewilling.com/ )
The Moloch is the God of money. The book MONEY: The 12th and FINAL RELIGION tells about this God that can neither pardon nor forgive. Israel was not intended either as a people or a place name. The Cosmic contract to prosper in harmony with nature during human progress has been set aside to favor the usury of God Moloch, and the Temple of Central banking known as the Federal Reserve System. The religion of God Moloch dominates all other religions as it is the only universal religion recognized by all and known as MONEY.
~//~
Here’s an interview (educate-yourself.org - MP3) with Richard Duane Willing that begins @49:42…
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/KenAdachiRichardDuaneWilling11nov11inter...
mentioned in the interview (paraphrased)...
- linked to immoral behavior, sexual deviance, and ritual murder
- the co-conspirators are the great merchants / corporations [with central banks being the other co-conspirators]
- the attributes (in order) of the “perfect costumer” according to the great merchants & their market research, are...
- homosexual
- black
- mixed race
- Asian
- white women
- Mexicans
- white males
- cosmic struggle / spiritual warfare
- the structure seems to be, the British discovered when they were setting up their empire, that there are 11 religions that control the majority of people. they proceeded to establish the British empire based on these (plus one, “money”… 12 religions)
- money is a religion… their god is Moloch
- all money begins as a loan
- money is mobilized as a synapse (psychically) between a borrower and a banker
- money generates interest yet is not consumed in the process (using the burning bush allegory)
- money is agreement between two minds... who acknowledge the god Moloch (when the meeting of two minds occurred)
- money is hiding behind all the other religions. it manifests in society & in our banks
- very few people (even in the banks) understand
- money systems are based on belief (faith) & shared trust, which makes them real
- Moloch, is hiding in plain site, at your bank
- ( I = PRT ) interest = principal * rate * time
- the holy grail is a table of interest rates
~//~
[BTW… for those, ahhhhh .. high speed ZH types… some media-players can be set to playback fast with little pitch distortion]
...Enjoy ;-) ... ahh, or not :-( ... ;-)
Have you tried medication.....,
Remember when you'd once opened a personal bank account yourself, did you also tell YOUR banker to STOP being a nazi when he/she asked for timely payments on any loan given?
What has this blog become? A place for xenophobe Neo-Nazi?
What dumb** you are, all of you~! lol
It's amazing (ie. depressing) how easily the magician can direct the crowd while his assistant picks their pockets clean!
Magician: "It's the Muzlimz."
Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad Muzlimz! Bomb the Muzlimz!"
Magician: "Just joking. It's really the jooz."
Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad Jooz! Burn the Jooz!"
Magician: "Nah ... It's the bankstaz."
Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad bankstaz! Hang the bankstaz!"
Magician: "Oops, sorry ... It's the politicians."
Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad policicians! Hang the politicians!"
Magician: "Hey, look ... a crowd of hippies are protesting."
Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad hippies! Hang the hippies!"
Magician: "Hey. Had you there! It's really the capitalists."
Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad capitalists! Hang the capitalists!"
Magician: "I'm being serious now ... It's really the Germans."
Crowd: "Booooo!! Bad Germans! Hang the Germans!"
... and so the show goes on....
They've heard of Hegel, but have no idea what he was talking about. :-/
Bingo, and it continues on and on.
It's a don't worry, we lift all boats, kind'a Germany. You can trust us this time.
Dominatrix Merkel in black boots? That thought is enough to turn anyone's stomach.
All your potatoes are belong to us.
I speak german but your comment does not make sense at all?!?
Going back to the article. This is not just an issue in Europe. Power/Money is moving quick and uncontrolled and nobody knows what is going to happen. We have to think about morality here. unfortunately in our fast spinning world most people do not give a S*** and close their eyes if big money or power is in sight. Anyway to understand all a bit better what is going on I can just recommend this video. it is long but worth it!
http://djia.tv/doug-casey/doug-casey-talks-to-james-turk-nov-2011/
Sorry I'm rusty!
Oh, you'll have a chance to re-learn...
I only remember enough German to change the oil in the Bimmer!
The "re-education" camps will remind you!
Just speak a little Amish. They'll think you're quaint and old-fashioned;)
The best way to learn any language is with a "pillow dictionary". :)
Isn't it a little uncomfortable using a book as a pillow?? I'm kidding !! I'm kidding !! Really.
Its close enough to make his point.
Ich Ben Ein Don't Recall........Ronald Reagan Contra Affair 1986
I think they were still in a potato famine.
Tough crowd today. I guess this turned into a forum of Mick's!
Really, sheesh! Now I've got a whole country mad at me.
Ireland should pray for a master like Germany since they can't do shit without Germany!
No, Ireland was neutral.
But that didn't stop thousands of Irishman joining various allied armed forces including Great Britain's.
yep. Irish Guards Tank Division, etc.
Northern Irish Protestants are very patriotic and a credit to the union but the rest of 'em, well...
No. I could enlighten you further but go look at a Wiki.
ZH would have been better off picking a newspaper to quote rather than this stupid rag.
Per Olie Rehn this is considered normal operating procedure (only yesteday it was denied to have occured) Greece etc are getting the same treatment. The Technocrats are coming. The Technocrats are coming.
The Germans have agreed to permit Irish Idol and Survivor Belfast to be shown in their entirety so I don't see what the big deal is.
Belfast is in Northern Ireland, part of the UK.
lol,
someone marked me down for pointing out a geographical fact.
The Irish Times this morning was none too pleased either and it is the most conservative paper in the country. One of the things the Irish learned from the German leak was the VAT will rise from 21% to 23%. Politicians were not ready for the firestorm of anger and were caught red handed pants down. I have never seen this level of satire and anger in the Times before.
Englebert returns with spring in his goose step
Merkel’s blue-eyed boy teamed up with Gunter Gilmore and Bernhardt Howlin
BREAK OUT the Blue Nun, meine little strudel! We have turned a corner and the landscape is changed. But not for the wurst, insist Englebert Kenny and Gunter Gilmore. Ireland’s Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor were in good spirits yesterday when they lunveiled the Government’s programme of public service reform.
Thanks to the sterling work of Bernhardt Howlin, they have discovered vays of culling the quangos and delivering staff cuts.
Englebert had just returned from a flying visit to the Motherland, with a glint in his eye. “We will identify the bodies that are no longer needed,” he murmured.
Gunter smiled.
He was fresh from his second day in charge of Leaders’ Questions in the BundesDáil.
The public service blueprint, he remarked, shows the Government’s determination “not to waste a crisis”. But the programme is demanding and “will be difficult for all of us”. Englebert smiled.
They outlined their plans at a packed press conference in Government Buildings. Also at the top table mit the three main players was Junior Minister, Otto Hayes. He didn’t have a main speaking role but he made himself useful by pouring the water for chancellor and the two ministers.
It fell to Bernhardt, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, to relay the details. Minister Howlin is so enthusiastic about his work that his BundesDáil colleagues call him “Dr No” – but not to his face.
There will be 23,500 fewer jobs in the public service by the time he finishes in the year 2015. Some quangos will be abolished, many will be amalgamated with identical siblings and more will be subsumed into government departments.
The Minister for Downsizing delivered such a comprehensive package that both Englebert and Gunter went out of their way to praise him for his efforts.
Good work, Bernhardt.
For they knew that, somewhere in an office in Berlin, people were taking notes. While Howlin spoke, Ireland’s Chancellor and his second in command leaned in close and whispered to each other. Each time they did it, the photographers snapped away.
Poor little Otto looked sad – he’s the Minister of State mit special responsibility for ze downsizing and he wasn’t getting a look in. Then an official (Robert Watt, secretary of the Department of Public Expenditure) crept up to the platform. Crouching, he crooked his arm over the edge of the top table and held a handwritten note under Englebert’s nose. Chancellor Kenny, squinting, read it and laughed.
The official melted back into the shadow of departmental suits. Englebert turned to Gunter Gilmore and murmured something. Gunter sniggered.
“And that’s an extraordinary reduction,” continued Bernhardt Howlin, still at the podium. “We have developed a common plan and a set of deliverables.” Never mind that.
What did the official write? We had to find out.
He explained afterwards that Englebert and Gunter were curious about a particular action (he didn’t elaborate) he had taken earlier. He wrote on the note: “I was acting on orders.” Oh, merciful hour. We had indeed chosen Berlin over Boston.
Poor Otto Hayes was still looking like nobody’s child at the far end of the table. Then Minister Howlin turned and went out of his way to pay him a special tribute for all his tireless work.
Otto beamed. Gunter, beside him, added his compliments and then Englebert leaned back and favoured him with a very approving, fatherly, nod.
Does this mean Chancellor Kenny has forgiven him for his pivotal role in Fine Gael’s night of the long knives, when the young Hayes tried to take him out?
And then there was the decision to cancel the controversial decentralisation programme. “Today, we draw a line under decentralisation,” said Englebert.
Ah yes, how we remember that budget day back in 2003, when Charlie McCreevy was minister for finance and Ireland was still free. As Champagne Charlie was on his feet in the chamber, we were enjoying a budget-day sherbet with a government official.
“I really must get back upstairs to find out what’s happening,” protested this reporter.
“Don’t worry. There’s only one story today. The opposition won’t know what to do – we’ve pulled off one helluva stroke. The papers will be full of it.” Whereupon the delighted aide explained Charlie’s decentralisation wheeze.
What opposition deputy would want to rubbish proposals promising jobs and revenue for their patch? The rest is a rather unpleasant history.
Gunter Gilmore is glad to see the back of the scheme. “There was something absolutely malign about it,” he said. It viewed the public service “as something that can be carved up and divvied out”. Then when word arrived from Germany. A story was running on the wires headlined “Germany inspects Irish budget”. Turns out documents presented to a Bundestag gave purported details of tax measures proposed for the budget on December 6th.
Very embarrassing for all concerned. The Government is blaming the troika. But after this latest rationalisation programme, Angela Merkel should be pleased with her blond-haired, blue-eyed boy, Englebert Kenny.
Still, it could have been much worse. As the press conference ended, we could have sworn we heard one of the ministers croak: “Jaysus, lads, thank God we didn’t go mit der lederhosen.” That would have been unwise, reich enough.
http://www.irishtimes.com/
It was the Irish Republican Army that did a bit of information sharing but not the Republic of Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army_%E2%80%93_Abwehr_coll...
Here we go with that again... let's not think about what the Soviets did, or the Nazi scientists working for the West after the war...
El Viejo, I do hope you are not serious. Ireland was neutral during the war, is still neutral to this day, there were contacts between the outlawed IRA and the Germans but these were neither official or tolerated.
As an Irish citizen I have been very pissed off that the government agreed to backstop the bad debts of the Irish banks - banks that were fed and encouraged to play fast and loose by the ECB and TPTB in the EU - then had the rugs pulled out from under them leaving a nearly debt free government owing hundreds of billions to new German, British, and French masters and the people only so recently free after more than 800 years of virtual slavery in their own land once again enslaved.
I know I have nothing to say about it, no power to effect any change, but if I did I would tell TPTB to go fuck themselves and leave the eurozone while returning to the pound, or better yet tying the pound to the dollar since US trade and tourism is the only way the country is going to grow again.
I wasn't serious(as my second comment hopefully revealed) even though I had always heard that Northern Ireland was only pro-German because they were actually anti-England. It is a dull Friday and I love stirring up a hornet's nest sometimes, especially here. The front pages of British journals are always so sensationalist that they bring out the worst in me (tongue in cheek) I do wish for Ireland the same as Iceland.
My personal 'economic' opinion across the board is that these are difficult times because the problems/solutions are so pervasive. Nothing exemplifies this more than the housing refinance problem in this country. It sounds so simple to let everyone refinance their homes at a lower interest rate, but that affects negatively the mortgage backed bonds held by pension plans. So for everyone asking for forgiveness there has to be a forgiver and as we already know so many are digging in their heels and guarding their positions now. Maybe the best(fairest) solution is to devalue everyone's holdings by across the board solutions: (some printing, some austerity, and some forgiveness) Hopefully, the Irish here will forgive me.
+1 for your humanity
but I think the consequences of broad refinancing are incorrect in your post. Pensions would benefit, as would all holders of MBS, becasue refi pays the balance of the mortgage in full. Anyone who bought mortgages at less than 100 cents on the dollar makes out in this scenario....particularly those that did so at 50 to 70 cents...
Right, I'm not into housing, but that was the argument against that I had heard.
So why is it not happening??
it is, but it takes the form of HOPE, ir whatever the recent incarnation out of the administration was called...the problem is that the only people that qualify for refi are the mortgagees who are not under water on their homes. To do it more broadly, you need principle forgiveness from the banks and MBS investors, which opens several separate cans of worms. Moral hazard not the least of these.
LOL! This EU situation is going to end well.......
Viejo
You take ignorance, and lazyness as you could easily googled that, to whole new level. Congrats.
Look upwards a couple of comments.
If the Irish had any brains they would string up the politicians who got them there and pushed TWO votes to join the Euro and EU. This is after the Irish people voted NO - the first time.
Also hang that fu*king Bono and the other U2 tax cheats who also supported the Euro.
The problem is the Irish are too fookin stoopid.
So you say the Irish are stupid because they voted the first time no and the second time yes?
Can't follow...
For which currency did you vote in your last ref?
Ireland went mit der Kaiser ein WW I.
They were very pised when the crown tried to draft them. Long live Kier Hardie!
Christ help us. Read something, even Wiki. Neutral with instant return for allied airmen and sailors with detention camps for the Axis equivalent, intel sharing etc.
Sieg Heil, Bithchez!!!!
As A German i apoligize (in advance) to the world. It seems we have a yet to be discovered form of "mega-mind tourett syndrom" We just cant help ourselfs. Please dont kill us.
No, they did not.
Perhaps in a Phillip K. Dick alternate universe; but in this one, no.
Leave the eurozone, Ireland.
Default first!
Ireland won't be the first to default.
The UK will see to that.
If Ireland defaulted the UK exposure would put the UK in the firing line early.
That's not the plan. Med states first then France.
Nations like the UK and the USA have some self respect. We can't go defaulting before the French.
+1939
He who default first defaults best!
Ah, but the UK is not a member of the Eurozone, they have to contribute to the bailouts as all EU nations do but they are not themselves eligible. If the Republic of Ireland were to default on the bank debts the foolish former Taoiseach blanket guaranteed without the input of the citizens then it would simply be a matter of private businesses going tits up. I repeat, the debts which the Irish were forcibly raped by Germany over were BANK debts not government debts. The Irish have every right to repudiate the governmental agreement to pay the tab for private banking folly. If it means leaving the EMU that is just fucking ducky as well.
By the way Gojam, did the USA not lose it's AAA rating before France which still has theirs?
Where to start ?
Well, first the UK as a member of the EU has no obligation to put money into any EU bailout. Britain has made a contribution to the IMF and it has made a purely bilateral loan to Ireland for the very reasons I explained earlier, the UK and the Irish economies are too entwined.
Correct, one major rating agency downgraded the USA, that was S&P, but that is actually not a true reflection of the strength of France and the USA. Look at bonds.
Get your facts straight.
I mostly agree with you, but get your bloody sequence of who did what when straight in your rape case.
Right. USA can't default before those cheese eating surrender monkeys!
Let the Irish politicians whine and moan all they like. They consented to their banker masters. They took the money knowing it could never be repaid. Then they agreed to carry the debt to the taxpayers instead of defaulting. If the people have any men left these theives should be hung.
A former government finance minister stricken with cancer on the advice of a ginger quack economist guaranteed bank debt. The money was taken by banks from the wholesale market and investors seeking a quick buck, and lent to build absurd crap no one will ever inhabit. A new government decides to carry on regardless. The tax paying fools will be carrying the heavy chains of slavery while they the rulers grasp the trinkets thrown down to them.
someone explain to me how the ECB is not already printing money by buying Italian bonds everyday. thanks.
See ZeroHedge article a week ago on the 10th:
« Actually The ECB Has Already Handed Out €1 Trillion; And Why Germany Equates ECB Printing With Hyperinflation »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/actually-ecb-has-already-handed-out-%E2%82...
Unlike the Fed, the ECB's purchases are supposedly all sterilised.
You may need to explain sterilization along with that short reply, Borg.
'Sterilization' should be performed on all the EU leaders.
'Sterilization' should be performed on all the EU leaders.
Fixed it for ya.
Germany will dominate the EU, and be in control of the EURO, to rival China, and the yuan, over the next decades.
Otherwise, she will exit.
That is her ambitiion. If you live in Southern Europe, it may be time to take German language lessons, if you want to succeed.
DormRoom....lets not get carried away. Germany has alot of (social+economic) problems of their own which they have to deal with .....immigrants, Nazis, Shit-head politicians and too comfortable workers to start with.
Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!
+1 for Strangelove. :) Very appropriate!
"You see, the whole essence of the Euro doomsday machine is lust.... If you don't keep it a secret.... Why didn't you tell the world, eh!?"