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Ireland: "Germany Is Our New Master"

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Not only is Germany at the epicenter of the Italian-Spanish-French save-us 'discussion', they have now managed to add Ireland to their 'Uber Alles'. Reuters is reporting the leak of confidential Irish budget information by German lawmakers and Irish parliamentarians are seething - viewing the leak as 'incredible' and 'unprecedented'. Given the new laws, Germany now has the right to be fully informed about bailout countries' progress before new tranches of funds are paid out. As the Irish Daily Mirror put it perfectly "Germany is our new master." 

 

Reuters: Ireland cries foul after German budget leak

The Irish government has complained to European partners after confidential budget information shared with its EU-IMF lenders was leaked by German lawmakers, sparking a political storm at home.

 

The media and opposition reacted furiously at the fact that the details of the December budget were presented to German lawmakers before their Irish counterparts, heightening fears that its EU-IMF bailout has undermined Irish sovereignty.

 

"Germany is our new master," ran a banner front-page headline in the Irish Daily Mirror. Opposition leaders in parliament described the leaks as "incredible" and "unprecedented" and demanded the government explain.

 

New German laws give its parliament the right to be fully informed about bailout countries' progress before new trenches of funds are paid out and Ireland's main opposition party led cries Germany was now calling the shots in Europe.

 

Germany is pushing aggressively for EU treaty change to create tighter fiscal discipline across the bloc and a spokesman for its finance ministry said there was a clear procedure allowing parliament to see confidential documents belonging to countries in EU/IMF programmes.

 

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The leader of Ireland's largest opposition party said voters were entitled to an explanation of why the information was given to European partners before Irish lawmakers.

 

"I think it will be damaging in the sense that it plays to a narrative that Germany is calling shots all over Europe," Fianna Fail leader Michael Martin told Reuters.

 

"It will damage sentiment towards Europe and that is a problem."

And someone still thinks that this uber dysfunctional Europe can become a federal union?

It is evidently clear that sovereignty is indeed blurring at the edges - cue Nigel Farage.

 

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Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:45 | 1891841 El Viejo
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Didn't they side with Germany during WW II ?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:47 | 1891846 redpill
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beugen Sie unten, bevor das, das Sie dienen

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:50 | 1891857 El Viejo
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Erin go braughless. I like her better that way!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:51 | 1891865 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yay Fourth Reich!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:59 | 1891899 redpill
Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:17 | 1891995 Pladizow
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Germany is doing with the pen what they wanted to do with the sword!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:29 | 1892058 markmotive
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The path to WWII was also economic.

I'm willing to bet the causes of 99% of all wars have been economic.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:30 | 1892065 redpill
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Meanwhile Putin has this looping on his computer as his minature giraffe runs the treadmill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:47 | 1892120 sqz
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FAZ (German newspaper) did an interview with Ireland's Prime Minister recently and this was the very start of the conversation:

FAZ: "Mr Irish prime minister, do you speak German?"

Mr Kenny: "I can only say good day, but my children are learning."

:)

Source: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/europaeische-union/im-gespraech-enda-...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:43 | 1892362 kaiserhoff
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When your partners have secret budgets, you have too many partners.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:48 | 1892387 PY-129-20
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Very interesting. Thanks. Well, you must know that Volker Kauder (considered to be an idiot by me) recently said 'Europe must learn to speak German' (of course he did not mean to speak the language, but more to behave like the Germans).

I find that utterly wrong and also very arrogant. Germany has a lot of problems which often go unnoticed in the recent discussion. While it certainly did some things right, it should not be in the position to command anyone around. Given our history, we should be more cautious and mind our words better. Having said that it is okay if we check what the others do before we send them any money. Of course if anybody would've listened to the eurosceptical (not to confuse with nationalistic or anti-european or anything like that) group in our country, the Irish and the Germans would not be in this stupid and mind boggling situation of today.

Hope my next Guinness won't be poisoned. A life without a Guinness and no Irish Poets, no Dubliners - I'd rather kill myself... ;)

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:53 | 1892832 AldousHuxley
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Germany has always been the master.

Except this time the master has revealed herself to do the slave whipping herself.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 05:08 | 2299892 jaffa
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Politically, the island is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers just under five sixths of the island, and Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, which covers the remainder and is located in the northeast of the island. Thanks.
Regards,
vancouver gutter cleaning

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:59 | 1892167 boiltherich
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What is up with that guy's eyebrows and vinyl toupee?  Creepy.  But your point is well taken, I was in the service during the cold war and am disappointed that the USA did not better engage the Russians after the breakup of the USSR, we could have made great friends with them and helped guide them to a better and mutually beneficial future, instead they are now more dangerous than ever. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 22:25 | 1893285 Dave Thomas
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OMG Mini Giraffe ftw!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:40 | 1892094 Desert Irish
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I'm willing to bet the causes of 99% of all wars have been due to religion.

Fixed it for ya...

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:49 | 1892393 Roger O. Thornhill
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Politics is a religion. Communism, Socialism and Nazism all have there pie-in-the-sky utopian dreams. The 3 "ism's" are also very much secular religions with their own dogmas, and have actually killed more people than simple religion. I think communism is the winner with over 100 million killed for their secular/atheist utopia. And even the "simple" religions that did any killing, did it via centralized government mandate. Religion alone, without the force of government behind it, has no power to do mass murder.

I always laugh at those who say secularism is more sane. As long as idealistic human beings are involved in muscling their "ideals" on the rest of us there will be prisons, torture, and ultimately death camp for the unbelievers in the secularist's dreams.

Frankly I have my beliefs, but don't have the least desire to force them on those that disagree with them. I just wish people would stop trying to vote (coerce) me into their idealistic, socialist/fascist, governmentally run, legalistic, horror-show. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:36 | 1893176 FeralSerf
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Religion is just the method the rulers communicate with the unlearned, the ones that still want to believe in Santa Whatshername.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4?BCE - 61CE)

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:51 | 1893203 Hacked Economy
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Anyone who thinks differently than you is "unlearned", huh? 

"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"  [Psalm 14:1]

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 22:41 | 1893315 boiltherich
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religion=government for, of, and by the weak minded.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:02 | 1892188 ConstantineK
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...Religious too...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:22 | 1892107 Goldilocks
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@Pladizow, I get the impression that …that’s always been in the cards.

Money - The 12th and Final Religion ( http://www.rduanewilling.com/ )

The Moloch is the God of money. The book MONEY: The 12th and FINAL RELIGION tells about this God that can neither pardon nor forgive. Israel was not intended either as a people or a place name. The Cosmic contract to prosper in harmony with nature during human progress has been set aside to favor the usury of God Moloch, and the Temple of Central banking known as the Federal Reserve System. The religion of God Moloch dominates all other religions as it is the only universal religion recognized by all and known as MONEY.

~//~

Here’s an interview (educate-yourself.org - MP3) with Richard Duane Willing that begins @49:42…
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/KenAdachiRichardDuaneWilling11nov11inter...

mentioned in the interview (paraphrased)...

- linked to immoral behavior, sexual deviance, and ritual murder
- the co-conspirators are the great merchants / corporations [with central banks being the other co-conspirators]
- the attributes (in order) of the “perfect costumer” according to the great merchants & their market research, are...
    - homosexual
    - black
    - mixed race
    - Asian
    - white women
    - Mexicans
    - white males
- cosmic struggle / spiritual warfare
- the structure seems to be, the British discovered when they were setting up their empire, that there are 11 religions that control the majority of people. they proceeded to establish the British empire based on these (plus one, “money”… 12 religions)
- money is a religion… their god is Moloch    
- all money begins as a loan
- money is mobilized as a synapse (psychically) between a borrower and a banker
- money generates interest yet is not consumed in the process (using the burning bush allegory)
- money is agreement between two minds... who acknowledge the god Moloch (when the meeting of two minds occurred)
- money is hiding behind all the other religions. it manifests in society & in our banks
- very few people (even in the banks) understand
- money systems are based on belief (faith) & shared trust, which makes them real
- Moloch, is hiding in plain site, at your bank
- ( I = PRT ) interest = principal * rate * time
- the holy grail is a table of interest rates

~//~

 [BTW… for those, ahhhhh .. high speed ZH types… some media-players can be set to playback fast with little pitch distortion]
...Enjoy ;-) ... ahh, or not :-(  ...    ;-)

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:26 | 1892283 gmrpeabody
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Have you tried medication.....,

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:02 | 1892454 He_Who Carried ...
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Remember when you'd once opened a personal bank account yourself, did you also tell YOUR banker to STOP being a nazi when he/she asked for timely payments on any loan given?
What has this blog become? A place for xenophobe Neo-Nazi?

What dumb** you are, all of you~! lol

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 00:05 | 1893183 i-dog
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It's amazing (ie. depressing) how easily the magician can direct the crowd while his assistant picks their pockets clean!

 

Magician: "It's the Muzlimz."

Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad Muzlimz! Bomb the Muzlimz!"

Magician: "Just joking. It's really the jooz."

Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad Jooz! Burn the Jooz!"

Magician: "Nah ... It's the bankstaz."

Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad bankstaz! Hang the bankstaz!"

Magician: "Oops, sorry ... It's the politicians."

Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad policicians! Hang the politicians!"

Magician: "Hey, look ... a crowd of hippies are protesting."

Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad hippies! Hang the hippies!"

Magician: "Hey. Had you there! It's really the capitalists."

Crowd: "Boooooo!! Bad capitalists! Hang the capitalists!"

Magician: "I'm being serious now ... It's really the Germans."

Crowd: "Booooo!! Bad Germans! Hang the Germans!"

... and so the show goes on....

 

They've heard of Hegel, but have no idea what he was talking about. :-/

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:32 | 1893170 Buck Johnson
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Bingo, and it continues on and on.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:20 | 1892268 GenX Investor
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It's a don't worry, we lift all boats, kind'a Germany.  You can trust us this time.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:00 | 1893087 philipat
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Dominatrix Merkel in black boots? That thought is enough to turn anyone's stomach.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:52 | 1891866 gmrpeabody
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All your potatoes are belong to us.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:02 | 1891915 4realmoney
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I speak german but your comment does not make sense at all?!?

 

Going back to the article. This is not just an issue in Europe. Power/Money is moving quick and uncontrolled and nobody knows what is going to happen. We have to think about morality here. unfortunately in our fast spinning world most people do not give a S*** and close their eyes if big money or power is in sight. Anyway to understand all a bit better what is going on I can just recommend this video. it is long but worth it!

http://djia.tv/doug-casey/doug-casey-talks-to-james-turk-nov-2011/

 

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:05 | 1891927 redpill
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Sorry I'm rusty!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:10 | 1891950 Five8Charlie
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Oh, you'll have a chance to re-learn...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:11 | 1891963 redpill
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I only remember enough German to change the oil in the Bimmer!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:19 | 1892000 Pladizow
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The "re-education" camps will remind you!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:41 | 1892352 kaiserhoff
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Just speak a little Amish.  They'll think you're quaint and old-fashioned;)

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:37 | 1892087 JungleJim
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The best way to learn any language is with a "pillow dictionary". :)

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:04 | 1892197 El Viejo
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Isn't it a little uncomfortable using a book as a pillow??  I'm kidding !! I'm kidding !! Really.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:21 | 1892011 Missiondweller
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Its close enough to make his point.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:42 | 1892105 Gringo Viejo
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Ich Ben Ein Don't Recall........Ronald Reagan Contra Affair 1986

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:47 | 1891848 Robot Traders Mom
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I think they were still in a potato famine.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:37 | 1892088 Robot Traders Mom
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Tough crowd today. I guess this turned into a forum of Mick's!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:05 | 1892206 El Viejo
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Really, sheesh!  Now I've got a whole country mad at me.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:53 | 1891877 eurogold
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Ireland should pray for a master like Germany since they can't do shit without Germany!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:00 | 1891893 gojam
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No, Ireland was neutral.

But that didn't stop thousands of Irishman joining various allied armed forces including Great Britain's.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:07 | 1891935 Vergeltung
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yep. Irish Guards Tank Division, etc.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:43 | 1892108 Harlequin001
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Northern Irish Protestants are very patriotic and a credit to the union but the rest of 'em,  well...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:10 | 1891954 beastie
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No. I could enlighten you further but go look at a Wiki. 

ZH would have been better off picking a newspaper to quote rather than this stupid rag.

Per Olie Rehn this is considered normal operating procedure (only yesteday it was denied to have occured) Greece etc are getting the same treatment. The Technocrats are coming. The Technocrats are coming.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:16 | 1891989 SilverIsKing
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The Germans have agreed to permit Irish Idol and Survivor Belfast to be shown in their entirety so I don't see what the big deal is.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:23 | 1892021 gojam
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Belfast is in Northern Ireland, part of the UK.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:21 | 1892555 gojam
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lol,

someone marked me down for pointing out a geographical fact.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:28 | 1892054 boiltherich
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The Irish Times this morning was none too pleased either and it is the most conservative paper in the country.  One of the things the Irish learned from the German leak was the VAT will rise from 21% to 23%.  Politicians were not ready for the firestorm of anger and were caught red handed pants down.  I have never seen this level of satire and anger in the Times before.

Englebert returns with spring in his goose step

Merkel’s blue-eyed boy teamed up with Gunter Gilmore and Bernhardt Howlin

BREAK OUT the Blue Nun, meine little strudel! We have turned a corner and the landscape is changed. But not for the wurst, insist Englebert Kenny and Gunter Gilmore. Ireland’s Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor were in good spirits yesterday when they lunveiled the Government’s programme of public service reform.

Thanks to the sterling work of Bernhardt Howlin, they have discovered vays of culling the quangos and delivering staff cuts.

Englebert had just returned from a flying visit to the Motherland, with a glint in his eye. “We will identify the bodies that are no longer needed,” he murmured.

Gunter smiled.

He was fresh from his second day in charge of Leaders’ Questions in the BundesDáil.

The public service blueprint, he remarked, shows the Government’s determination “not to waste a crisis”. But the programme is demanding and “will be difficult for all of us”. Englebert smiled.

They outlined their plans at a packed press conference in Government Buildings. Also at the top table mit the three main players was Junior Minister, Otto Hayes. He didn’t have a main speaking role but he made himself useful by pouring the water for chancellor and the two ministers.

It fell to Bernhardt, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, to relay the details. Minister Howlin is so enthusiastic about his work that his BundesDáil colleagues call him “Dr No” – but not to his face.

There will be 23,500 fewer jobs in the public service by the time he finishes in the year 2015. Some quangos will be abolished, many will be amalgamated with identical siblings and more will be subsumed into government departments.

The Minister for Downsizing delivered such a comprehensive package that both Englebert and Gunter went out of their way to praise him for his efforts.

Good work, Bernhardt.

For they knew that, somewhere in an office in Berlin, people were taking notes. While Howlin spoke, Ireland’s Chancellor and his second in command leaned in close and whispered to each other. Each time they did it, the photographers snapped away.

Poor little Otto looked sad – he’s the Minister of State mit special responsibility for ze downsizing and he wasn’t getting a look in. Then an official (Robert Watt, secretary of the Department of Public Expenditure) crept up to the platform. Crouching, he crooked his arm over the edge of the top table and held a handwritten note under Englebert’s nose. Chancellor Kenny, squinting, read it and laughed.

The official melted back into the shadow of departmental suits. Englebert turned to Gunter Gilmore and murmured something. Gunter sniggered.

“And that’s an extraordinary reduction,” continued Bernhardt Howlin, still at the podium. “We have developed a common plan and a set of deliverables.” Never mind that.

What did the official write? We had to find out.

He explained afterwards that Englebert and Gunter were curious about a particular action (he didn’t elaborate) he had taken earlier. He wrote on the note: “I was acting on orders.” Oh, merciful hour. We had indeed chosen Berlin over Boston.

Poor Otto Hayes was still looking like nobody’s child at the far end of the table. Then Minister Howlin turned and went out of his way to pay him a special tribute for all his tireless work.

Otto beamed. Gunter, beside him, added his compliments and then Englebert leaned back and favoured him with a very approving, fatherly, nod.

Does this mean Chancellor Kenny has forgiven him for his pivotal role in Fine Gael’s night of the long knives, when the young Hayes tried to take him out?

And then there was the decision to cancel the controversial decentralisation programme. “Today, we draw a line under decentralisation,” said Englebert.

Ah yes, how we remember that budget day back in 2003, when Charlie McCreevy was minister for finance and Ireland was still free. As Champagne Charlie was on his feet in the chamber, we were enjoying a budget-day sherbet with a government official.

“I really must get back upstairs to find out what’s happening,” protested this reporter.

“Don’t worry. There’s only one story today. The opposition won’t know what to do – we’ve pulled off one helluva stroke. The papers will be full of it.” Whereupon the delighted aide explained Charlie’s decentralisation wheeze.

What opposition deputy would want to rubbish proposals promising jobs and revenue for their patch? The rest is a rather unpleasant history.

Gunter Gilmore is glad to see the back of the scheme. “There was something absolutely malign about it,” he said. It viewed the public service “as something that can be carved up and divvied out”. Then when word arrived from Germany. A story was running on the wires headlined “Germany inspects Irish budget”. Turns out documents presented to a Bundestag gave purported details of tax measures proposed for the budget on December 6th.

Very embarrassing for all concerned. The Government is blaming the troika. But after this latest rationalisation programme, Angela Merkel should be pleased with her blond-haired, blue-eyed boy, Englebert Kenny.

Still, it could have been much worse. As the press conference ended, we could have sworn we heard one of the ministers croak: “Jaysus, lads, thank God we didn’t go mit der lederhosen.” That would have been unwise, reich enough.

http://www.irishtimes.com/

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:11 | 1891958 BobPaulson
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It was the Irish Republican Army that did a bit of information sharing but not the Republic of Ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army_%E2%80%93_Abwehr_coll...

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 22:59 | 1895116 Marcus McSpartacus
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Here we go with that again... let's not think about what the Soviets did, or the Nazi scientists working for the West after the war...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:17 | 1891994 boiltherich
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El Viejo, I do hope you are not serious.  Ireland was neutral during the war, is still neutral to this day, there were contacts between the outlawed IRA and the Germans but these were neither official or tolerated.

As an Irish citizen I have been very pissed off that the government agreed to backstop the bad debts of the Irish banks - banks that were fed and encouraged to play fast and loose by the ECB and TPTB in the EU - then had the rugs pulled out from under them leaving a nearly debt free government owing hundreds of billions to new German, British, and French masters and the people only so recently free after more than 800 years of virtual slavery in their own land once again enslaved. 

I know I have nothing to say about it, no power to effect any change, but if I did I would tell TPTB to go fuck themselves and leave the eurozone while returning to the pound, or better yet tying the pound to the dollar since US trade and tourism is the only way the country is going to grow again. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:45 | 1892115 El Viejo
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I wasn't serious(as my second comment hopefully revealed) even though I had always heard that Northern Ireland was only pro-German because they were actually anti-England. It is a dull Friday and I love stirring up a hornet's nest sometimes, especially here. The front pages of British journals are always so sensationalist that they bring out the worst in me (tongue in cheek) I do wish for Ireland the same as Iceland.

My personal 'economic' opinion across the board is that these are difficult times because the problems/solutions are so pervasive. Nothing exemplifies this more than the housing refinance problem in this country. It sounds so simple to let everyone refinance their homes at a lower interest rate, but that affects negatively the mortgage backed bonds held by pension plans. So for everyone asking for forgiveness there has to be a forgiver and as we already know so many are digging in their heels and guarding their positions now. Maybe the best(fairest) solution is to devalue everyone's holdings by across the board solutions: (some printing, some austerity, and some forgiveness) Hopefully, the Irish here will forgive me.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:09 | 1892224 Captain Kink
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+1 for your humanity

 

but I think the consequences of broad refinancing are incorrect in your post.  Pensions would benefit, as would all holders of MBS, becasue refi pays the balance of the mortgage in full.  Anyone who bought mortgages at less than 100 cents on the dollar makes out in this scenario....particularly those that did so at 50  to 70 cents...   

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:18 | 1892263 El Viejo
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Right, I'm not into housing, but that was the argument against that I had heard.

So why is it not happening??

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:29 | 1892729 Captain Kink
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it is, but it takes the form of HOPE, ir whatever the recent incarnation out of the administration was called...the problem is that the only people that qualify for refi are the mortgagees who are not under water on their homes.  To do it more broadly, you need principle forgiveness from the banks and MBS investors, which opens several separate cans of worms.  Moral hazard not the least of these. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:24 | 1892037 SteveNYC
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LOL! This EU situation is going to end well.......

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:03 | 1892194 raios_parta
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Viejo

 

You take ignorance, and lazyness as you could easily googled that, to whole new level. Congrats.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:15 | 1892218 El Viejo
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Look upwards a couple of comments.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:41 | 1892345 Freddie
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If the Irish had any brains they would string up the politicians who got them there and pushed TWO votes to join the Euro and EU.  This is after the Irish people voted NO - the first time.

Also hang that fu*king Bono and the other U2 tax cheats who also supported the Euro.

The problem is the Irish are too fookin stoopid.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 07:34 | 1893778 Ghordius
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So you say the Irish are stupid because they voted the first time no and the second time yes?
Can't follow...

For which currency did you vote in your last ref?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:22 | 1892547 Chuck Walla
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Ireland went mit der Kaiser ein WW I.

 

They were very pised when the crown tried to draft them. Long live Kier Hardie!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:39 | 1892781 q1w2reader
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Christ help us. Read something, even Wiki. Neutral with instant return for allied airmen and sailors with detention camps for the Axis equivalent, intel sharing etc.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 19:48 | 1892921 Dingleberry
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Sieg Heil, Bithchez!!!!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:59 | 1893223 TK7936
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As A German i apoligize (in advance) to the world. It seems we have a yet to be discovered form of "mega-mind tourett syndrom" We just cant help ourselfs. Please dont kill us.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 22:58 | 1895108 Marcus McSpartacus
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No, they did not.

Perhaps in a Phillip K. Dick alternate universe; but in this one, no.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:47 | 1891845 PaperBear
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Leave the eurozone, Ireland.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:48 | 1891850 redpill
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Default first!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:07 | 1891928 gojam
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Ireland won't be the first to default.

The UK will see to that.

If Ireland defaulted the UK exposure would put the UK in the firing line early.

That's not the plan. Med states first then France.

Nations like the UK and the USA have some self respect. We can't go defaulting before the French.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:10 | 1891951 Diplodicus Rex
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+1939

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:29 | 1892060 masterinchancery
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He who default first defaults best!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:08 | 1892219 boiltherich
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Ah, but the UK is not a member of the Eurozone, they have to contribute to the bailouts as all EU nations do but they are not themselves eligible.  If the Republic of Ireland were to default on the bank debts the foolish former Taoiseach blanket guaranteed without the input of the citizens then it would simply be a matter of private businesses going tits up.  I repeat, the debts which the Irish were forcibly raped by Germany over were BANK debts not government debts.  The Irish have every right to repudiate the governmental agreement to pay the tab for private banking folly.  If it means leaving the EMU that is just fucking ducky as well. 

By the way Gojam, did the USA not lose it's AAA rating before France which still has theirs? 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:17 | 1892539 gojam
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Where to start ?

Well, first the UK as a member of the EU has no obligation to put money into any EU bailout. Britain has made a contribution to the IMF and it has made a purely bilateral loan to Ireland for the very reasons I explained earlier, the UK and the Irish economies are too entwined.

Correct, one major rating agency downgraded the USA, that was S&P, but that is actually not a true reflection of the strength of France and the USA. Look at bonds.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 07:41 | 1893783 Ghordius
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Get your facts straight.
I mostly agree with you, but get your bloody sequence of who did what when straight in your rape case.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:35 | 1892330 Financial_Guard...
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Right. USA can't default before those cheese eating surrender monkeys!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:28 | 1892746 mkkby
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Let the Irish politicians whine and moan all they like.  They consented to their banker masters.  They took the money knowing it could never be repaid.  Then they agreed to carry the debt to the taxpayers instead of defaulting.  If the people have any men left these theives should be hung.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:44 | 1892802 q1w2reader
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A former government finance minister stricken with cancer on the advice of a ginger quack economist guaranteed bank debt. The money was taken by banks from the wholesale market and investors seeking a quick buck, and lent to build absurd crap no one will ever inhabit. A new government decides to carry on regardless. The tax paying fools will be carrying the heavy chains of slavery while they the rulers grasp the trinkets thrown down to them.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:47 | 1891849 Triple A
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someone explain to me how the ECB is not already printing money by buying Italian bonds everyday. thanks.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:53 | 1891876 bank guy in Brussels
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See ZeroHedge article a week ago on the 10th:

« Actually The ECB Has Already Handed Out €1 Trillion; And Why Germany Equates ECB Printing With Hyperinflation »

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/actually-ecb-has-already-handed-out-%E2%82...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:01 | 1891908 Börjesson
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Unlike the Fed, the ECB's purchases are supposedly all sterilised.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:04 | 1891924 gmrpeabody
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You may need to explain sterilization along with that short reply, Borg.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:23 | 1892023 SheepDog-One
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'Sterilization' should be performed on all the EU leaders.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:30 | 1892749 mkkby
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'Sterilization' should be performed on all the EU leaders.

Fixed it for ya.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:51 | 1891851 DormRoom
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Germany will dominate the EU, and be in control of the EURO, to rival China, and the yuan, over the next decades.

Otherwise, she will exit.

That is her ambitiion.  If you live in Southern Europe, it may be time to take German language lessons, if you want to succeed.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:59 | 1891894 eurogold
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DormRoom....lets not get carried away. Germany has alot of (social+economic) problems of their own which they have to deal with .....immigrants, Nazis, Shit-head politicians and too comfortable workers to start with.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:58 | 1891895 Nascent_Variable
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Mein Fuhrer!  I can walk!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:31 | 1892313 SofaPapa
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+1 for Strangelove. :)  Very appropriate!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:01 | 1893088 rodeorider
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"You see, the whole essence of the Euro doomsday machine is lust.... If you don't keep it a secret.... Why didn't you tell the world, eh!?"

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:21 | 1892004 spdrdr
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Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale.*

*My hovercraft is full of eels.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:48 | 1891852 john39
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pointing out the obvious at this point, but the same forces that are manipulating Germany's goverment are manipulating the rest of the Euro zone.   and its not the Germans...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:59 | 1891884 WoodMizer
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All your bank are belong to us!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 22:09 | 1893253 i-dog
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+1

First accurate comment in the thread!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:48 | 1891854 dwdollar
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Will England allow Germany to control Europe? The last century said otherwise.

Wars' a-coming...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:09 | 1891949 eurogold
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You must be joking. The British are a shadow of what they once were (drug dealers to the world). They loath the Germans for what they accomplished, and always will.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:34 | 1892764 mkkby
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Precisely.  War between who?  Goldman Sachs and JPM?  Because that's who's running things.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:43 | 1893188 FeralSerf
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Lloyd plays 3 card monte with Jamie for the whole enchilada.  Lloyd wins.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 22:11 | 1893260 i-dog
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Lloyd has precisely fuck-all to do with Goldman's strategic directions.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 19:52 | 1892925 Dingleberry
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The Brits don't really fight wars ......they get other countries (e.g. Soviet Union, United States, and the Dominions) to do it for them. If Argentina invaded the Falklands again, the Brits couldn't take it back now. No matter, they would get their dogs of war to do it. The City of London controls everything. I used to laugh at Larouche......not anymore.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 07:45 | 1893784 Ghordius
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The City is not really part of the UK

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:19 | 1892002 Missiondweller
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Germany seems to be doing with the Euro what they couldn't do with two world wars.

The rest of Europe is not amused. I think this is what will eventually lead to the end of the Euro, resentment of German economic power and influence.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:30 | 1892306 eurogold
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Yes the Germans will always be the target of those less successful. But you know what? Most Germans are used to it .......and couldn't care less anymore.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:03 | 1892460 Eally Ucked
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I'm not German and still I don't understand what all those posters here want from Germany. All those countries can unilaterally exit the Euro, rip the treaties into pieces, why they don't do it? They want some monies from Germany? They're already indebted to the hilt so they won't waste any more money on them, Ireland, Greece or whoever. Maybe they all should turn to Bernank for help? He does not have any constrains, and he will print as much as they want for nothing in return. I'm sure.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 07:48 | 1893786 Ghordius
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They just repeat the tabloid's phrases
No thoughts behind it...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:46 | 1892380 Freddie
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England let Muslims take over Englandistan.  If I have to choose between the English and Germans?  I pick the Germans.

Over 1000 years - the Germans, Austrians, Spaniards, Poles, Greeks and Italians fought back against Islam's attempts to overrun Europe.  F*** the English and I am part.  Until they evict the muslims in the UK then they are Rothschild controlled cowards.  The USA is not much better.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:49 | 1891856 DavidJ
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Arabs are fighting for democracy!   The Europeans are rolling over!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:54 | 1891881 redpill
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Arabs are fighting to have about 30 seconds of democracy, just long enough to get a narrow majority to impose Sharia law on the rest of the region forever.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:06 | 1891931 john39
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too much fox news...  sharia law is not the boogie man that the MSM would have you believe.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:08 | 1891939 redpill
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Unless you have a vagina, that is.

 

And child please, I don't watch Fox News or any other cable propaganda channel.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:10 | 1891957 john39
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sharia law is not in itself oppressive in how it treats women... that is in the interpretation and implementation.   And we in west should hardly be proud of how females are treating in our society, despite being recognized as "equal" under the law...  the devil is always in the details.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:12 | 1891970 redpill
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Yeah ok dude.  Tell that to the women rotting in jail in our "ally" Saudi Arabia because she dared DRIVE A FUCKING CAR.

Drop the moral relativism please. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:16 | 1892241 john39
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Saudi Arabia is basically a zionist controlled government.  Wahabi "Islam" is a perversion of Islam, just as fundamentalist "christianity" in no way resembles the teachings of the man known as Jesus...  but if you feel better slapping simplistic labels on such matters, by all means, knock yourself out.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:57 | 1892432 Freddie
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Well you got the first part correct.  The House of Saud are Israel's puppets.  Still - all of Islam is total shit.  The only good thing is the Shia and Sunni hate each other and kill each other 24x7x365.  We should get the f**k out of the ME and let them kill each other.  We are only there to protect Israel's Saudi puppets.

If I did not hate Saudi/Rothschild TV - I would love for pay per view to show Sunni and Shia kill each other.  Two great sects of Islam that splintered over the poisioning of the pedophile Mohammed. 

Islam is a cancer and is not a religion.  It is a political movement for conquest.  

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:15 | 1892526 john39
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Freddie, you have fallen for the zionist propaganda.  nothing these days is exactly what it seems.   Mohammed, like Jesus, fought the zionists...   so therefore the need to in more modern times to pit christians against muslims, and pervert large parts of christianity and islam.   a little common sense, and little original research, and the truth becomes apparent. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:13 | 1891973 Vergeltung
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oh yeah, of course! I always hear about Western women being slain for "honor" and having their vajayjay's mutilated.

awesome stuff!

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:44 | 1892110 Use of Weapons
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We're adults here. You can say "vagina" without mommy coming and washing your mouth out with soap n water.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:00 | 1892440 Freddie
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-1

It depends on who's v*gina you have had your mouth on.  Soap might not help.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:14 | 1891978 eurogold
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You must be some feminist pussy!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:41 | 1892098 Five8Charlie
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Bullshit. Would you want your daughter to grow up under Sharia law (or any other bronze-age philosophy), or in the West?  

 

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:53 | 1892141 Harlequin001
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I dunno, tell me about it. How does it work?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:45 | 1892376 Financial_Guard...
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"sharia law is not in itself oppressive in how it treats women... that is in the interpretation and implementation"

Are you out of your Vucan mind?

The interpretation and implementation IS the issue and the problem! I don't understand people who think this is cute and harmelss.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:06 | 1894010 Harlequin001
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That's because you don't know anything about it.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 01:55 | 1893606 e-recep
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> sharia law is not in itself oppressive in how it treats women...

It is. Obviously you have not read the Quran yet.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:12 | 1891971 eurogold
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Redpill....you are the best! But wait until the arabs finally decide to unify their efforts, The shit will hit the fan! Let's all hope it doesn't happen too soon.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:19 | 1891999 francis_the_won...
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"But wait until the arabs finally decide to unify their efforts"

Not gonna happen.  Only a "messiah"  (or jihad in his name) has ever united that culture and the shiite/sunni chasm simply cannot be overcome.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:35 | 1892080 boiltherich
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Or a mangina.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:49 | 1892396 Freddie
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+1

All TV is shit and for retards.  Anyone who watches it supports and enables the overlords.  It is their major tool for control. Sadly morons who watch TV want their ball games and other retard shit they watch.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:11 | 1891960 Vergeltung
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that's pretty funny. good stuff.

 

you're right, what's not to like about honor killings, FGM, etc. Sharia's a real rip if you're a woman.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:07 | 1892208 Harlequin001
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Well I lived under Sharia law for 10 years and to be brutally honest, never noticed a damned thing.My wife hasn't been mutilated or thrown in jail, still wears a bikini in public on holiday and my kids don't seem to feel the need to go slot some poor Doris because she might not do as they say. Nobody ever told her to cover her arms and legs up or tried to stop her from driving and to be blunt the biggest problem we have here is muslim women driving small cars far too fast like they don't give a shit.

Like everything else it's all down to interpretation. You can always find examples in any legal system if you want to but it seems pretty obvious from these comments that most posters here have no fucking clue what Sharia law is about but goal seek any example that fits their very uneducated opinion. You'll find lots of it on these pages.

 

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:10 | 1892227 john39
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people in the west have no idea what sharia law is all about.  instead we are fed a constant diet of pure misinformation meant to poison our opinion of Muslims and Islamic culture.  now who could possibly be behind such a thing?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 17:27 | 1892574 NumberNone
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Hmmm, I wonder who?  How about the Muslims themselves?

Video of stoning...graphic and disgusting.  Keep defending Sharia law. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjkoPZIUco 

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:01 | 1893998 Harlequin001
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Oh yeah, good job you reminded me about that, every day there was someone getting stoned. Couldn't drive my car down the street for the bodies, everywhere and Christians too.

An if ever there was a good reason to anihilate all muslims then this video must be it.

Please, do the rest of the civilised (and better informed) world a favour and go peddle your ignorant shit somewhere else...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:22 | 1892270 Fremen Sharpshooter
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Sharia law, common law, civil law, doesn't matter; it's still all about the "man" putting you down.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:03 | 1894003 Harlequin001
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oh anarchist eh?

No it isn't.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:23 | 1892029 Missiondweller
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Tell that to an Afghani school girl.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:55 | 1892152 Calmyourself
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No of course not, it is good for you keeps you regular.. 

Oh, here ya go Saudi Arabia banning eyes, female eyes that is, to be more precise "tempting" eyes..  Goat fucking pederasts that cannot control themselves at the base of the religous / political system..

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Saudi-women-to-cover-%E2%80%9Ctempting%E2%80%9D-eyes-23212.html

Perhaps pederasty is your thing: http://digitaljournal.com/article/246409/Boys_in_Afghanistan_Sold_Into_Prostitution_Sexual_Slavery

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 23:49 | 1893445 Oh regional Indian
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Wow. The level of blindness around here is staggering sometimes.

Penn state Scandal anyone? Syracuse scandal anyone? Boy Scouts Scandal anyone? How about the Great Catholic Church Boy Abusers?

What a bunch of narrow minded morons some people are. Blind.

Power is the same everywhere, regardless of religious perversion.

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/what-does-one-say/

ORI

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:18 | 1894026 Harlequin001
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There is one place on this earth where all religions (sadly, except Judaism ) are practiced equally, openly and fairly, (including no religion as well) where it is entirely a matter of individual choice to be judged by Sharia or the common law, and where churches stand side by side mosques and every kind of temple you can think of. There are no riots, crime is minimal and anyone can walk the streets at night without fear. Where is this Utopia to be found? 

It most certainly is not in the land of free speech and freedom as you Americans like to call yourselves, or anywhere in the so called democracy loving West either. It is found in an Islamic State, in Asia.

Nuff said.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 13:41 | 1894199 Calmyourself
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I sometimes enjoy your commentary and then you equate a social and political religous system with a pedophile coach??  How many of the well to do men in the Arab world who own a dancing boy are under arrest?  How many brutally violated girls press charges in Sharia dominated countries.  How many rape victims can come up with three witnesses so they can exact justice?   Sharia and Arab culture are on a collision course with Western values and it is not going to be pretty.  Diversity is a show a curtain pulled across the reality that one culture always wins, it always absorbs the other..

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:02 | 1891914 bank guy in Brussels
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No, European people are not rolling over. The people in the European streets - like in the streets of the Arab world - are seeing things differently than some of their governments.

Serious rebellion is afoot in Italy and Greece and this will grow across Continental Europe. As 'austerity' pinches, Europeans will revolt with special fury in countries where they perceive being dominated by foreign masters, whether from outside the EU or from within it.

Merkel and her government are really dreaming fantasies by thinking this kind of programme will hold.

The head of steam of European populist revolution is still building, and it will blow if the EU leaders do not adopt a better approach. 2012 may be a year rather like 1848, with populist revolutions sweeping our lovely Continent here.

Karl Marx was living in Brussels in 1848 when he published The Communist Manifesto - you can still see the Karl Marx House in Brussels where he lived while writing it. Someone is perhaps penning another European revolutionary tract right now for the current circumstances.

Brussels Karl Marx house photos here (in the photo collection from where I stole my avatar pic):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22325431@N05/sets/72157603597357585/

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:09 | 1891945 gmrpeabody
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Unfortunately, most of the people doing the rebelling are part of the problem, not the solution.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:14 | 1891983 Vergeltung
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who gives a fuck about that piece of shit, or his house. burn it down.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 16:40 | 1892344 MrBinkeyWhat
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A link to that revolutionary tract was posted here at ZH called "2083 - A European Declaration of Independance" penned by Andrew Berwick. This is the self proclaimed Templar who blew up that building in Oslo, and then went on to shoot up the socialist youth group a few months back.

It quickly disappeared from the web, or I would give you a link.

At 1500 pages it is a fascinating read. And no, Berwick is not a NUT CASE. He is quite serious.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 18:40 | 1892786 mkkby
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"Serious rebellion is afoot in Italy and Greece and this will grow across Continental Europe."

Except for the Irish, who apparently haven't a single man left with guts.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:23 | 1894036 Harlequin001
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The IRA was only ever interested in drug running for money and screwing the EU for subsidies. There never was any guts to fight.

Welcome Ireland to reality; you were better off under the British.

Have a Jack boot...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:28 | 1892056 SheepDog-One
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'Democracy' lol yea right.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:50 | 1891860 digalert
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I said it before, and got junked

A fourth Reich?

Look it up...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:20 | 1892003 ddtuttle
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Jim Rickards has made this point for a long time.  He begins in the 800 AD when the largely Germanic Holy Roman Empire tried to "unify" Europe.  They tried again in WW-I and WW-II.  Now finally, they seem to have done it without firing a shot.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 15:28 | 1892055 blunderdog
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Except there's nothing unified about Europe.

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