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Ironic "Scariest Chart Ever" Redux - America Will Surpass 100% Debt To GDP On Halloween

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Earlier today we presented Bloomberg's Chart of the Day which represented the GDP and Debt per capita on a historical and projected basis, and we hysterically, and tongue-in-cheekly, dubbed it "the scariest chart ever" because it confirmed that at some point, very soon, US Debt will surpass GDP and never look back. We decided to dig into the actual numbers (cancelling out the per capital denominator as it is the same on both sides of the equation) and came to a very disturbing revelation: as of today, total US Debt, is $14.942 trillion (source), obviously an all time high. Q2 GDP as was reported by the BEA three weeks ago, was $15.012 trillion in current dollars. In other words, the spread between total GDP and total debt has now collapsed to an all time low $70 billion. Incidentally, this number was $1.8 trillion at the beginning of 2010. Then we decided to take a quick look at the upcoming bond issuance and find that tomorrow the Treasury will announce approximately $99 billion in 2, 5 and 7 Year bonds to be auctioned off October 25 through 27... With a very appropriate settlement date: October 31, elsewhere known as Halloween. Yes, ladies and gentlemen: All Hallows E'en will be doubly scary this year: for the first time since World War II, US debt will officially surpass GDP on Halloween 2011.

 


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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Jeff Lebowski
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Also, my rug was stolen.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Western
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Iran is to blame. Let's get em boys.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Even more scary is that Halloween is the day world population is forecasted to hit 7 Billion!

Malthusian Bitches!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Isnt' the red line the debt ceiling line?

You have it labeled incorrect.

LOL.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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BOO!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment mikla
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Scary debt clock

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment mtomato2
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HEY!

Mikla has been here 1'50"

I've been here 1'51"

I want the picture-publishing-switch turned on for me, too!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:06 | Link to Comment redpill
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Ironically, US Manufacturing employment is currently lower than it was in WW2, in fact the lowest since 1940 (not even adjusted for population growth!!!).

 

 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:24 | Link to Comment flacon
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WAR! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? ABSOLUTELY GDP! /Keynes-Krugman

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv5BYEOQYLo

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:12 | Link to Comment nope-1004
Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Henry Chinaski
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Scariest chart ever of the hour.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Scariest chart ever of the hour... in America.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:45 | Link to Comment Shocker
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That Chart looks much better now that you spiced it up for Halloween.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:08 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Parity Party in costume!!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 02:55 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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Love it!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:23 | Link to Comment gangland
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bah
Thu, 10/20/2011 - 23:37 | Link to Comment BoxCar
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Blue line appears to be the Debt Ceiling as its raised in increments

Red Line happens to BE the Debt we've incurred, so you're right

somethings screwey with the chart- it doens't even show the GDP

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment BoxCar
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Its worse- the Debt passed GDP this time LAST YEAR (Oct 2010)

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:20 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Halloween + OWS = ?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:32 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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Free candy corns for everyone?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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An episode of The Walking Dead?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:57 | Link to Comment LongBallsShortBrains
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Corn holing for taxpayers.....

Ah hell ..... Corn holing for all!
Sweet like candy corn!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:23 | Link to Comment buyingsterling
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your avatar = proof free speech still exists. Always makes me laugh.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:25 | Link to Comment nmewn
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More stolen laptops & iphones.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:43 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Liberal cousin just posted a pic showing Tea Party protesters carrying guns at a rally on one side, OWS protesters being hauled off by the cops on the other.  Her Lib friends were all bemoaning the fact that the TP had no common sense for carrying guns in public and that the OWS were being brutalized by the police for no reason. Frankly, I think the reason the OWS protesters were being beaten down by the cops was they had no common sense and they brought ipads and not guns...given that they staged this in NYC, oh well...

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 00:29 | Link to Comment tyler
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Calling people lib and shit doesn't fly with me.  I spent many years as a brainwashed neo-con and used to say the same shit.  I'd try to play the victim even though in this case the peaceful protesters being pepper sprayed, body slammed and arrested on made up charges are the real victims.  I don't think like that anymore and live a way happier life.  You should save your family stories or complaints for facebook, if your dumb enough to have an account, that's what it's there for.  

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 05:35 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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One, what do you call someone who calls themselves a Liberal? I didn't say Lib-tard, Lefty, etc. Maybe I was being glib but they are in fact, liberal-minded. Two, if you used to do it then you're still being a hypocrite now. So you're 'Born Again'?. Three, whether I comment on material from ZH, Huffpo, CNN, or FB is pretty irrelevant considering the breadth of sites that are commented from on ZH everyday. Four, so you're an anti-social, anti-neo-con, anti-labeling, what? Who hangs out on a site with 10's or 100's of 1000's of users who post opinions, rants, and anecdotes and your problem with FB is what? Oh yeah, pure genius. Each site serves it's own function. And who says I give a shit what fly's with you?

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 03:20 | Link to Comment seventree
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That's all they need, is for one firearm to turn up at OWS and turn the whole place into a SWAT free-fire zone.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 06:02 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Lookup 1. Restraint  2. Deterrent  Yeah, because the 2nd Amendment was all about creating gun sales.../s "That's all they need"  Yeah, maybe. Some here see the larger scenario playing out without violence, others with violence. Do we need more violence? No. But what's to stop the 'Wall Street Rent-a-Cops' from busting heads now? Cameras? iPads? Nope... "What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." TJ "... Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . .for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." CB

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 05:45 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Liberal cousin just posted a pic showing Tea Party protesters carrying guns at a rally on one side, OWS protesters being hauled off by the cops on the other." 

"Progressives" tend to try and bend time & space to suit their own purposes. Even the vacuum of space has nothing on the deafening silence when it comes to investigating Fast & Furious gun running to Mexican ciminal cartels.

And I really don't remember the Tea Party blocking bridges that ambulances use to transport the sick & injured or simply to go to work. I can't recall them shitting into street gutters next to cop cars either...lol.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:20 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Do Skittles come in Kandy Korn? Or are they breeding a whole new lineup of Kandy Korn shittin' Unicorns for Halloween?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Quite a few Guy Fawkes masks I'm guessing.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Raphio
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...and zombie bankers

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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wankfest

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment JR
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Oregonian OWS cartoon:

Big happy, wealthy lobbyist in black suit and striped tie standing in front of Capitol Building, reporting back on cell phone in midst of a very large crowd of wealthy black suits and ties with toothy smiles carrying LOBBYIST brief cases and Congressional lobbyist calling cards:

 …OUR OCCUPATION IS GOING JUST GREAT!!!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 02:17 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 I read that "Reply"  , last night J.R> I also read the rebuttal. I was impressed. You both did well.

 

     J.R.  You have been a good teacher.

 

              Please tell me you aren't trading that pathetic   Swiss franc/ aussie idea?      You know  Seans trade....

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 02:27 | Link to Comment jaffa
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The debt is an obligation owed by one party to a second party, the creditor, usually this refers to assets granted by the creditor to the debtor, but the term can also be used metaphorically to cover moral obligations and other interactions not based on economic value. Thanks.
Regards,
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Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:43 | Link to Comment jaffa
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Halloween costumes are traditionally modeled after supernatural figures such as monsters, ghosts, skeletons, witches, and devils. Over time, the costume selection extended to include popular characters from fiction, celebrities. Thanks.
Regards,
landscaping forums

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:03 | Link to Comment dlmaniac
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Enlist every occupier and unemployed to invade Iran might be just what it takes to boost this economy back to boom. Let's call it Operation Krugman.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:09 | Link to Comment whatsinaname
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And does the 100% include the off-balance sheet liabilities related to Fannie & Freddie ?

And will Iran be renamed Krugmanistan ?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:52 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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No on 1, yes on 2.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:33 | Link to Comment wisefool
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I thought Krugman wanted to beat back some aliens and take their stuff? Starship Troopers "neo-keynsian" style.

Planet Krugman! He is just the hero we need to defeat the "brain" bug. And vindicate this years' nobel econ PhDs. I read their acceptance statements, para: "Hey, were are trying, but we are going to right just about as much as we are wrong". Translation: "the printing press makes money when it is turned on, it does not make money when it is turned off. I has PhD!"

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:21 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Except Iran can fight back.  A few of their current gen cruise missles (care of the russians and Chinese) will cause a world of hurt on US carriers in the Gulf.

Iran is not a war you want to start.   Of course we're ignoring the political fallout ion the Islamic world and the blow-up of the world's oil markets... not to mention China's reaction.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:37 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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And let us also not forget all the former-Soviet bioweapon engineers that were starving in the 'Stans until Iran gave them all the food, pay, housing and play toys they could take....

Bioweapons are a hell of a lot cheaper pound for pound than nukes, and a whole helluva lot deadlier and easier to transport....

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 00:18 | Link to Comment CPL
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This old hymn....sigh...

 

You are worried about Iran?  Now?  Seriously?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Louie the Dog
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Iran is not a war you want to start. 

Better to play a game of M.A.D. with them 10 years from now.  We can trust them.  

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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'A few of their current gen cruise missles (care of the russians and Chinese) will cause a world of hurt on US carriers in the Gulf.' - You can't afford them anyway.

You can either scrap 'em, sink 'em or sell them to the next guy who's going to invade you.

But you can't keep 'em, you're broke...

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 01:47 | Link to Comment Ponzi Unit
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Don't see the sarc, so FUCK YOU dlmaniac.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Hard1
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0% Trick for the savers, treat for debtors

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Hard1
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srry, double post.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Chaffinch
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so when those lines cross I guess we can expect... Mr Stay Puft!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sALU_hveA

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:58 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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Gozer the Gozerian ... the Traveller has CUM.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment fuu
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Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment rcintc
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 What did you DO, Ray?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:16 | Link to Comment fuu
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Oh, shit!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:54 | Link to Comment Phil Free
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I tried to think of the most harmless thing ... something I loved from my childhood ... something that could never, ever possibly destroy us.  Mr. Stay Puft.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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Form a committee immediately to report directly to whoever can give the best excuse....

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:01 | Link to Comment nyse
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You loved that rug, Dude.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:33 | Link to Comment mtomato2
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Then, as now, it is the Chinaman...

 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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...and this guy peed on it.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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Also, my rug was stolen.

The Carpetbaggers are on their way. Hide everything you value.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:21 | Link to Comment stormsailor
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AND IT REALLY TIED THE ROOM TOGETHER

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 01:21 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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The Carpetbaggers are on their way. Hide everything you value

Hide your kids, hide your wife?

He's climin' in yo window, snatchin' yo people up...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:38 | Link to Comment EINSILVERGUY
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it really tied the room together Ami wrong?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:40 | Link to Comment chicagoedward
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Separate incidents

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment caerus
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that rug really tied the room together, did it not?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Conchy Joe
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I mean this TOTUS goes out and owes money and they pee on my rug...

That's right Sheeple.... they peed on your fucking Rug.

 


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:43 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Actually they rolled the economy up in it, put it in the trunk of a Caddy, and it was last seen headed for Jersey...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:22 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Newsflash - the economy's already in concrete footings on a not to be namd otherwise abandoned construction project - just like Jimmy Hoffa.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment ffart
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And on this night... you will visited by three ghosts. The ghosts of deflation's past, the ghost of deflation's present, and the ghost of bernanke's money printer.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:53 | Link to Comment New American Re...
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And it really brought the room together...

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 01:24 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:46 | Link to Comment strangeglove
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Trick or Treat Bitchez!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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Trick you out of any treats, bitchezz. Only a bag of dogturds for the beggars.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Manthong
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And government spending is counted as about 24% of GDP.

All tricks, no treat there.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Hedgetard55
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+55 kajillion

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:59 | Link to Comment surfersd
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If the economy is growing at X, 40% (debt to revenues) of which is debt financing and 24% of the economy is governmnet spending then what is the real GDP of this economy? Debt to GDP at 100% by Halloween, fudgitabit we have been over 100% for a couple years.

Can't wait to see if a Republican wins the Presidency and he is forced to really cut spending, yikes OWS protests everywhere. Maybe he just kicks the can further down the road.

 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Chaffinch
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Strip out government spending, strip out the 'finance industry', strip out the media... How much GDP is left that really equates to useful Wealth Creation?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment nmewn
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About thirty three fiddy.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Hansel
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Damn you monsta!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 02:20 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 2 fiddie?        I need a hat!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Getagrip
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GDP is relative. Gotta keep the dream going- until the nightmare starts. 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment LongBallsShortBrains
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A dollar two ninety eight

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Beastmanager
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Pumpkin carvin bernanke´s head

 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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And half of gov't spending is debt-creation. Debt is now our Most Important Product.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:46 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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But debt fuels the GDP peice of shit number. Does this make it bullshit squared?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment LongBallsShortBrains
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TPTB would like that.... Square a negative...... Boom. Instant positive

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:46 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Dang, BULLISH! Got to be bullish for something or other, it HAS to be! Maybe I'll look for a good carrot and stick leveraged ETF.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:28 | Link to Comment DosZap
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And Senator Walter Mitty of AZ, made the most idiotic statement I have ever heard come out of a Pols mouth.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/188443-reid-says-public-sector-jobs-must-take-priority-over-private-sector-jobs

With your numbers in mind, states Walter(Harry Reid),Uh, scuse me, Walter' Harry WTH is going to produce taxes to pay for this hogwash?.(public sector jobs produce NOTHING.)

I swear he has Dementia, or a Brain tumor.

 

 

PS: note to self,"Must use Spell Check!".

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment mtomato2
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Yeah, but he's from Nevada, right?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:01 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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Neither. Dingy Harry has something far, far worse. A tyrannical Jewess for a wife. She calls the shots.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment macholatte
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I swear he has Dementia, or a Brain tumor.

Neither. He's a Progressive.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:24 | Link to Comment Blano
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Worse, He's a Progressive.

 

There, fixed it fer ya.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Conchy Joe
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Being a progressive means that the brain is too small and soft to grow tumors.

Just algae.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 03:04 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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No progressive is just a word they whip around to get the right riled up. It is so obvious! Dumbass

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment DosZap
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macholatte

Neither. He's a Progressive.

Yes, I am fully aware of it. At this point, even regular J6P's have to be asking themselves if this is a MANUFACTURED take down.

If anyone doesn't think so, they are dumb as a stump.IMHO

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:47 | Link to Comment statlawyer
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Just curious... what was Germany's debt/GDP ratio after WWI (including the war reparations payments)?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:00 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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just imagine if the U.S. was forced to pay WAR reparations for every war from WWII- Obama's War on Libya

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:06 | Link to Comment fuu
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Libya is so last quarter, it's all about Uganda now.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Hansel
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Fuckin' war.  Guys always want to play god when they get all the power.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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And it's occured to me that Herman Cain is just the guy...

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 03:05 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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... to lead America into the the twilight zone?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:33 | Link to Comment DosZap
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baby_BLYTHE

We do, we spend trillions tearing/blowing stuff up, and killing/ get killed.

And then when its over we go back in, and rebuild it for free.

The liberated, then make contracts (Oil) with China, or Russia,anyine but us..................never us.

Have figured out that one yet.

Just one more way to add to the deficit.And kill of our best and brightest.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:36 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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So the approximate 1 million Iraqis and Afghanis we killed over the last decade were resurrected by US in this 'free' rebuilding process you describe?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:43 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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Nah, they're just fertilizer to grow radioactive DU rutabagas....

And candy corn!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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'And then when its over we go back in, and rebuild it for free.' - That's good for GDP isn't it?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment hambone
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I'm amazed by the number of folks willing to piss and moan at the status quo, curse the government, TPTB, the Fed but when anyone mentions that to forge a resolution to this mess...it may involve conflict and yes, violence, (either inflicted upon those pushing for change or by those in search of change) everyone backs away.

Yet, absent the threat and willingness to engage and if neccessary become violent...or draw TPTB to resort to violence upon protesters, shit will not get real.  Change will require a vision and commitment.  People will ultimately need to resolve that they are willing to risk their safety for liberty, freedom, and a better future.

I'm not advocating violence but I'm also not willing to foresake it as a tool that may ultimately be essential.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Summary: Revolution = Bloodshed.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:24 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Revolution=Bloodshed=Liberty and Justice for ALL=No more free shit for ANYBODY. Get off the wagon, Bitchez.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:35 | Link to Comment macholatte
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The sadness of the women's movement is that they don't allow the necessity of love. See, I don't personally trust any revolution where love is not allowed.
Maya Angelou

 

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
Henry Ford

Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.
George Orwell

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy.
Franz Kafka

 

 

 

 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:12 | Link to Comment hambone
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Macho - good and well all points, particularly trading one corrupt gov for a new corrupter government. 

Still, reinstating Glass-Steagall w/ some stability in our economy over the fragility of ultra leverage, resolving revised payments of unfundable liabilities, creating the opportunity for jobs / purpose for millions of unemployed in a highly mechanized / technologized / wage abritraged society will not happen on it's own. 

Functioning Democratic Republic = Some assembly required.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment pavman
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Its a shame Barney Fa fa fa frank couldn't grow the cajones to actually re-institute the pieces of glass-steagall that were repealed.  Instead we got shit on a stick.  And that's not a reference to his lifestyle (albeit, might as well be).

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:18 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Vote for Ron Paul. If you cant convince your freinds to vote for Ron Paul then trick them into voting for Cain as the anti-Ron Paul, and that Romney/Perry are not good for another reason.

It is a faustian bargain, But when everyone pays taxes, including the people who dont pay taxes now (the rich and poor) People will not be so crazy about all this quagmire. Charities that provide real assistance will still get donations. Lobbiest groups wont have the nirvanna of being tax exempt to argue for tax exemption (or making people not gay) Wars that dont need to be fought will lack funding. Despite what they are saying, if the gov tries to raise the input stream past 9% we can have one issue candidates for legislature that will bring it back down. The Buerocrats can squabble with each other for the best way to spend what they are granted from the revenue stream. The bond market will be able to price loans to gov predictably. 

Again, I am a die hard Ron Paul supporter, but Cain is a (far) second choice for fixing what ails us.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:44 | Link to Comment tgatliff
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I agree, but Cain is not the man.... At first I was fooled into thinking he was similar in his mindset to Ron Paul.  However, after his comments on the Occupy Wall Steet situation, it became clear to me that Cain is nothing more than a amateur establishment candidate who will say anything to get elected.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Getagrip
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Wasn't he also a fed reserve associate???

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:48 | Link to Comment pavman
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He was a President of the KC Fed *Board*.  Which means he's more like the Bernanke than the Presidents of the Fed.  Confused yet?  Translation: He most likely leans towards printing money and devaluing over reigning in spending.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment wisefool
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I actually dont think he has all that much to gain by being president. And some people think the whole thing is just a stunt not to be president, but to get a TV show instead of just radio. Same way factually that Gingrich is just stroking his ego and Bachman/Santorum are running for VP.

But, sometimes simple solutions and clarity, even if offered without expected acceptance, are the solution.

There is virtually no difference between what Romney and Obama would do. And we dont really need another 4 years of this stuff.

Ron Paul all the way, but we cant have 4 more years of BushClintonBushObamaRomney.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Herman Cain is a Bankster puppet/shill and a people hating monster. Give me a fuckan break.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:09 | Link to Comment wisefool
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You might be right. But as I said, if we cant get Ron Paul we are going to have four more years of this stuff under Romney or Obama. I honestly can think of a single policy decision that one would make different from the other. Same as Obama is turning out to be just like Bush II.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:44 | Link to Comment Conchy Joe
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(Bush II on Meth)100

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:29 | Link to Comment buyingsterling
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I hope it's Paul or Obama. Obama's not going to put anyone in the process of waking up back to sleep, nor will Paul. The others are just sedatives.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment wisefool
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One of my major problems with Obama's second term is that the Dems are going to lose both houses of congress, and we probably got 3 supreme court appointments in the next term. Which means instead of fixing the economy, we are going go back to wedge issues for the sheeple in long drawn out confirmation hearings. And thats if he doesn't try to put hillary on there.

  • "Candidate Judge _________ Do you think Picard or Kirk were better captians of the enterprise?"
  • I like _________
  • FOR SHAME! YOU ARE A TRATOR TO THE REPUBLIC AND THE WHITEHOUSE JUST SENT YOU HERE TO WASTE MY TIME!
  • But, I do like turtles. Does that count for anything?

Ron Pauls noms would be a breeze. "I like the constitution. you got a problem with that?" And then Ron Paul would fix the economy.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment DosZap
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wisefool ,

Well as a knowiamafool, as I have walked Terra Firma, I have found one truth when it comes to life.

IT IS WHAT IT IS

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment DosZap
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wisefool ,

Well, you are going to have two, maybe three choices that have a legit shot to get the nomination.

Mitt/Cain/Perry..............................( Unless Cain can get some BIG $ in a hurry, he's done,unless the Obama factor kicks in, or his 9-9-9-9- Plan is fully outed.

It increases taxes on 84% of the American people.

That dog won't hunt.

All the rest are OUT of it.

The only way Paul can be elected is if he is INSTALLED as POTUS.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment wisefool
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I know, its not a good situation, But then 84% of people might starting holding the federal government more accountable.

I admit I am not very smart, but as a metaphor, As you age, age taxes you. So you start paying more attention to your health. If 60% of the country gets candy from the government, why would they ever bite that hand? Lack of accountability leads to corruption, not democracy.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:50 | Link to Comment pavman
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IDK, the way Gingrich helped out Ron Paul the other night when Santorum was trying to throw him to the mat, makes me think he's trying to get a VP slot w/ Paul.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:23 | Link to Comment Pampalona
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Vote for Frazier's dad...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Louie the Dog
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Wars that dont need to be fought will lack funding

I'd vote for him except I don't believe Paul has the cahones to fight a war that NEEDS to be fought.  In fact, I'd bet on it.  


Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:24 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Which one? I dont mean to be combative but Sec-DEF Gates (ret.) Said that the #1 national security threat to the USA is the debt. China and other proxies could take our influence around the world and actual american land without firing a shot.

China is not going to over pay for skyscrapers like Japan and then give them back. China is buying farmland in Idaho and shipping centers in the USA. Its one thing when everything we buy is imported. Its another when chinese robots do the shipping and sort ala amazon. ITs another thing when the chinese own the robots and ports/terminals themselves.

EDIT: Besides, there is a provision for this in the constitution. If congress tells him to go to war. he would. End of story.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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I'm not advocating violence but I'm also not willing to foresake it as a tool that may ultimately be essential.

I'M advocating violence , the sooner we get them out and dead the sooner we can move on.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:46 | Link to Comment tgatliff
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment tgatliff
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It is too early to talk about "fixing" the problem.   You have to accept that a problem exists before someone can present a solution.  Ron Paul is a great example.   He is the only real political candidate that is open in saying what is occuring, but because most of the public is still in the denial/negotiating phase he is understanably being shunned.  Once society moves into anger/acceptance, then I think people will be surprised at how many political candidates propose the exact same solutions the Ron Paul is proposing today.  As a society, however, we are just not at that point yet...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Ham,

Everyone wants to go to heaven, no one wants to die.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:47 | Link to Comment ReallySparky
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Oh that is jacked up. Scary.  I think I will tell each little trick or treater that they are officially now slaves.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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That's a good way to get the cops called on you. You're only suppose to scare the children with toxic plastic costumes from China.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Getagrip
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Careful, they're just kids, and we don't want them to go suicidal when this gets out. We already have way too many folks on anti depressants...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 19:55 | Link to Comment pavman
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Besides, they'll need to stay nice and healthy so they can work in the American Gulags for the banksters when the time comes.  After all, work is freedom!

Here's some scary food for thought: I was working downtown Chicago for card services for JP Morgan Chase... each floor had a theme.  The 3rd floor was nasa and had paintings that reminded one of space travel.

I was fortunate enough to work on the Commie floor.  It was grey and black with a bit of white (and a red area with a secret room)...anyway, everyday on my way to das cube I passed two of those authentic Communist work posters with hammer and sickle, and a bunch of smiling Commies from yesteryear marching to work.  Everything was in Russian, but I could tell they were authentic propaganda posters.  Talk about hostile workplace!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 02:17 | Link to Comment merizobeach
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That's one view.  Another view is this: I would like very much to see hordes of sheeple opting to be euthanized.  With billboards and MSM ads and slogans like "Euthanasia: The Noble Choice", a continent-wide string of Compassionate Care Clinics, International could open up in every city and town offering full euthanasia services--no appointments necessary, all walk-ins welcomed, optional counseling available, any form of insurance accepted, and fees may be waived.  As Little Timmy stands out in front of his school, waiting for mommy to pick him up, sniffling because he failed his test and he knows daddy's gonna beat him.. he looks over his shoulder, and next to the school is the neighborhood euthanasia clinic; on the door is a big blue Doraemon with a huge open-mouth smile and circular hands outstretched, and Little Timmy sobs, "Do..la..e..mon.. uh, uh [sob, sob]" as he walks toward the door, and as he nears, the door opens a hypnotically beautiful and serene smiling nurse greets, saying, "Come in, Little Timmy; you're welcome here.  We'll take care of you!"  And inside is a beautiful small atrium with a fountain and soft classical music; the gentle, gorgeous staff have you settled into a comfortable reclining chair; you don't even really feel the prick of the IV, and in just a minute you drift peacefully into the deepest sleep you've ever known.  Hasta.  When Little Timmy's mom pulls up in front of the school, she looks around in puzzlement at his absence, and then she sees his little school hat on the sidewalk where it had blown from off Little Timmy's head in the wind as he entered the clinic; and with great defeat, she realized the past eight years had been a failed exercise in parenting.  She wonders if maybe she should see what it's like inside one of those clinics that so many people have been talking about and visiting recently..

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 06:18 | Link to Comment Element
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Oh man ... that's it? ... give up because of transient life events? ... life's short enough ... there were people (stupid enough) to sacrifice themselves so you could live your life ... how about honouring them by getting over or helping each other get over life's transients instead?

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 10:19 | Link to Comment mahalopamala
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Children do need to be protected by their elders.  The youngsters also need adults with discernment to teach them.  Too bad we have so few real adults (too many kids in 30 year and older bodies that act like whiney babies- look at any sports arenas if you don't know what I mean).  Also, many of the adults that are mature, do not share the truth in love.  What I mean is- when you love someone, you want to nurture them and help them to grow and learn.  Someone you truly love and not objectify, will respond to this teaching.  Truth and love are the answers to fear and confusion. 

Yes- I realize this is off the original topic/story.  However I felt the need to share. Cheers!

 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:47 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Hmmm ...

 

What are we at war with now?

 

Ourselves and our interstellar space platform. Smart ...!

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:51 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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We've always been at war with Eastoutterspace.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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Ouselves indeed...

 

"Jon Stewart Rips GOP For 'Pitting Americans Against Americans' With 'Take Our Country Back' Rhetoric "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/jon-stewart-gop-pitting-america...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:48 | Link to Comment docmac324
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Rot-roh.  Looks like I picked the wrong month to stop buying ammo.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment s2man
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Thanks for the reminder.  I buy silver religiously.  But haven't picked up any ammo in a while...

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment fuu
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Damn you uttered silver and religiously in the same post. That is going to summon RNR/LFP now.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:18 | Link to Comment mynhair
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For yucks, pick up a pellet gun.  Better for plinking those Molotovs in OWS hands.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment arizona11912
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Slavery.....bitchez

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Little John
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I can't decide whether to go trick or treating  as J M Keynes or Stalin.

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