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Israel Accuses Russia Of Supporting Iran Terror Organizations, Says Iran Has Enough Material For 4 Nuclear Bombs
Just because 3 US aircraft carriers in the Arabian Gulf are not enough, Israel's Lt General Benny Gantz hit the airwaves earlier today, with some additional pot stirring, and some fresh allegations which will hardly appeal to Russia, who is already using Syria as a military ship docking station (and allegedly supplying arms to the local regime). And while his statement that Iran has "enough material to create 4 nuclear bombs" may be debated, what is more concerning is his allegation that "[Iran terror organizations are] supported by Syria, Iran and even Russia." What next: the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier floating gingerly between the various US CVNs in the region just keeping everyone on their toes in international waters?
From the Israel Defense Forces blog:
Yesterday, the IDF chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz spoke at the annual Herzliya Conference and addressed Israel’s security situation. The following are the main excerpts from his speech:
“Iran is working towards military nuclear capabilities and can be fully armed within a year… Iran is a global, regional and Israeli threat and problem.”
“[Terror organizations are] supported by Syria, Iran and even Russia who continues sending ammunition to Syria. The Middle East is currently arming more than any other region in the world, and we are the target of all this ammunition.”
“Every region in Israel is currently under threat… our enemies are trying to create a military system that skips Israel’s defense capabilities and directly targets the strategic depth of the State of Israel.”
“The world must continue isolating Iran… the pressure and financial sanctions should be continued as they are beginning to sprout results, even within Iran… We continue building powerful, impressive, trustworthy, prepared, and well-trained military capabilities, and we must be ready to employ them, if the need arises.”
“The IDF greatly strengthened during the last few years and previous gaps have been matched. It is crucial that we maintain this trend for future obstacles aren’t any less challenging. We need as much accurate, continuous power as possible that will bring us to an undisputed, fast victory over our enemies.”
Today, following the chief of staff’s speech, IDF Head of Military Intelligence, Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi spoke at the conference as well:
“Iran has enough material to create four nuclear bombs. It continues developing such material and claims that it is doing so for peaceful and civilian purposes.”
“Iran is nearly capable of acquiring nuclear weapons. It is not dependent on additional development but rather a matter of decision.”
“The enemy is disappearing from the battle field, and if in the past a company commander would look through binoculars at the battle field and see the enemy, today against Lebanon or Gaza we will not see anything. Every tenth house in Lebanon serves as a missile storage facility or a rocket launching site.”
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i think you need to take a wider view of it all. the state of Israel (soon after creation) was and is used as an incendiary device to keep the entire ME unstable and the muslims were all too happy to oblige. the reason...oil and the $ (global reserve currency). you may say, wait...doesn't ME instability make oil more expensive? yes, yes it does and those who control the oil through production, distribution and currency have enriched themselves like never before. also, with regional stability there would be no excuse to invade these lands (MIC) and impose global central banker friendly regimes. Israel is the sideshow, the "American Idol focul point for the masses" to avert eyes from what is really going on with the NWO. the sate of Isreal and the Zionists are the puppets of the NWO plan (not the ultimate controllers) simply a vehicle to further global goals and to distract the world. once it's usefullness is complete, they will be discarded and then the NWO will focus on China and Russia until it has complete control. those who belive the the Jews and/or Zionists are the NWO are not looking quite deep enough.
All the more reason to let them fight their own battles.
Good luck to the NWO grabbing "complete control" of China and Russia.
Hey, jackass. You take that back right now. My Chihuahua is very loving and generous, doesn't feel entitled to differential treatment, and doesn't view me as an animal to be controlled and harvested for maximum cash. And comparing her to these vile people who rule the world, well, it's just wrong, and I'm gonna take my ball and go home now.
our cats and dogs bring us so much laughter and warmth, perhaps one time when taking your ball and going home is warranted :)
Chihuahuas have to be very hyper aware, they are but snacks to the big dogs.
Now when Wolves are about, even the Dogs are dead quiet for fear of life.
Every tenth house in Lebanon serves as a missile storage facility or a rocket launching site.
This sounds like one hell of an assertion. Guess Major Generals are lying politicians too.
Correction. Major generals are lying military dogs waiting to retire to become lying politicians.
Further clarification: Major Generals are politicians or they would not be Major Generals.
This is a ploy to justify the random missile fire coming from Israel landing on people's houses. Nice fella. If anything, a contrary indicator. US forces there to protect what already flows, a screen. Israel will lob missiles over the screen.
Fuck Israel. Fuck the United Nations. Fuck the bankers. Fuck the globalists.
Fuck, fuck, fuck, FUCK.
Move the United Nations to Yemen where it could do the world some real good for a change.
Got damn, that would be OUTSTANDING!
What he said...
if Israel got wiped off the face of the map, again that hurts America how ?
Hey, than we can end the fed, bring back normal currency, wipe-out debt, kill MSMs, clean the house, restore constitution and live quite ... normally...
...no that was a joke...
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/audioletters/audioletters.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_firesky.htm
Who the fuck do the Israelis think they are telling Russia what to do? Israel is allied with the USA (they are backed by a dying empire) so they had better enjoy calling the shots on this planet because I suspect its not going to last much longer.
am afraid its a little bit vice versa
when people figure out the dirty game masters, that will be fast and furious...
zionists have their filthy hairy tentacles in almost every country on earth. Putin has been aware of this for some time, and is giving them the good fight in Russia. But that fight is far from over.
you mean this guy?
in looking back into the genesis of Russia (USSR) and Israel, they both spring from exactly the same governing group. Their funding came from (and still comes from) the same governing group. To say that Israel is tweaking Russia with provocative language is to see illusion. To see the stage play is something else.
you may want to take a look at modern Russia and you will see that Putin heads an interest group that is antithetical to the originators of the USSR. Russia is self-funded at this point. The oligarch parasites who had taken over the country in collapse (same as Weimar) were run out and forced to flee with their 2nd passports.
trav you are not completely stupid man...
exactly right. Putin is at war with a zionist shadow government, and he is winning. Note Hillary Clinton pushing protests this year to get rid of Putin... enough said.
Some of those oligarchs are still there.
“The enemy is disappearing from the battle field, and if in the past a company commander would look through binoculars at the battle field and see the enemy, today against Lebanon or Gaza we will not see anything. Every tenth house in Lebanon serves as a missile storage facility or a rocket launching site.”
Why is this a problem? How does it support the meat of this guy's argument?
Well, some Merkevas were holed by some nice Russian Missiles in that area.
They apparently have a app for that now.
Oh, good, Jew-bashing, that never gets old around here!
Throw them into ovens!
Hug Mohammadan cultists with dreams of the West in nuclear ashes!
Everything would be beautiful if we would just let everybody be, no matter how batshit crazy they are!
Utopia is near!
Vote Ron Paul!
LOL!!!
Hey Kralizec nothing from stopping you from joining the army and going to fight Israel's battles for it.
Last I checked Israel was an ally, well, used to be anyway, but can still handle her own issues. Thanks for the advice though.
If they can look after themselves why do you care what people on zerohedge post about them? Touched a nerve there...
Why do we send our poor white, black and hispanic young men to fight their battles if they can look after themselves?
I recoil at anyone who singles out a group of people previously targeted by some of the most evil people in human history, some of the stuff posted here at ZH could come right out of Mein Kampf or a rant by the Iranian President or Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood. Really, are some people here so depraved that this is where you go? So, a nerve, yeah, you might say that. It might interest you to know that not every Jew is out to kill you or steal your money, but from what I read here sometimes that message has zero chance of resonating.
And I must have missed something, I am unaware any battle we are fighting on behalf of Israel. Obama himself is not exactly a friend of Israel.
Everytime a carrier shows up in the gulf people here go batshit crazy, convinced the dark helicopters are set loose to start wars over oil (what, a lot of Code Pink, MoveOn & Daily Kos refugees here or what?) balh blah blah and when nothing happens I swear some people here are disappointed hell hasn't been unleashed.
I love the economic and market discussions here, but Dear God anything else draws out moonbats by the bushel!
I guess it is what it is.
Sometimes saying something on line that one is censored from saying in real life is a release valve. Think about it, I can say I don't like Armenians and people won't know what I mean, I can say I don't trust Ukrainians and get away with it, I can say that Hutus are thugs and people will shrug but say something about Jews and more than likely you'll destroy your career. Most of us like to point out hypocrisy and what makes Israel and Jews so untouchable, why are they given consideration when Armenians and Ukrainians aren't?
I watched and laughed my ass off watching Jon Stewart last night and I'd give the guy a big hug if he was here now, there are many Jews in the west who speak the truth. It is not the fault of Jewish individuals that the people who control the militairy industrial complex and Israel happen to identify themselves as "jews".
When six million are eliminated and millions more enslaved and every Muslim nation on earth wants you annihilated, well, if that is what it takes to be defined "untouchable" then I guess they (as a group) earned it.
As for me, I find it much more beneficial and much more productive to target my angst on people directly.
For instance, I think Bernanke is screwing us over, I target him, I don't target Zionists, Jews, etc. A broad brush covers a lot, and creates a bigger mess when a smaller brush can do the job.
Just my 2 cents.
That 6 million crap is a ploy used to hide the crimes committed by jews. And if the jews didn't act as a group to screw Germany in WWI there wouldn't have been Hitler or Nazis:
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id107.html
And the Skinheads check in...
And the jew supremacists change the subject.
Wrong, not a Jew, not a supremacist.
The subject was six million dead Jews, which I guess you either deny or condone.
Try again.
Why aren't you more concerned with the tens of millions murdered by jews if you are not a jew?
The Jews as a race killed 10 million eh, impressive, who were they?
I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the previous question.
First off, jewish capitalists funded jewish communists-interesting teamwork, don't you think? The Red Terror, engineered by Trotsky, Sverlov and Lenin, was just a warmup:
The Russian Communists plan to strategically use terror to intimidate their White adversaries into submission. On orders from Lenin and Trotsky, the "Red Terror" is announced by the Jewish Red Yakov Sverlov. The Red Terror is marked by mass arrests in the middle of the night, executions, and hideously creative tactics of torture. As many as 100,000 Russians are murdered in the Red Terror, carried out by Jewish-run Cheka (secret police).
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Among the verified atrocities committed, often in view of victim’s family members, are:*40,000 White prisoners publicly hanged in the Ukraine
* Burning coals inserted in women's vaginas
* Crucifixions Rapes
* Victims submerged in boiling oil or tar
* Victims placed in coffins filled with hungry rats
* Victims soaked with water, and left to turn into human ice-cubes in the winter weather.
* Priests, monks, and nuns have molten lead poured down their throats and are burned alive.
*
The demoralizing terror takes a heavy psychological toll on the frightened Russian people.
By 1922, many will have been broken into total submission to the Red monsters of the dreaded Cheka.
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id107.html
From Wiki:
The Red Terror in Soviet Russia was a campaign of mass arrests, executions, and atrocities conducted by the Bolshevik government. In Soviet historiography, the Red Terror is described as having been officially announced on September 2, 1918 by Yakov Sverdlov and ended about October 1918.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
So if your criteria is the sins of one become the sins of all, then let us kill - Germans, Swedes, Danes, French, Italians, Egyptians, Angolans, Lybians, Algerians, oh hell we'd have to kill everybody!
Idiot!
The Holodomor (Ukrainian translation Killing by hunger) was a man-made famine occurring mainly in the Ukrainian Republic of the Soviet Union during 1932-33. The famine was caused partly by the folly of Stalin's latest socialist scheme, and partly due to a deliberate, strategic terror plan engineered by Stalin's powerful Jewish brother-in-law, Lazar Kaganovich.
From Wiki:
Kaganovich was born in 1893 to Jewish parents in the village of Kabany, Radomyshl uyezd, Kiev Governorate, Russian Empire (now named Dibrova, Poliske Raion, Kiev Oblast, Ukraine). Early in his political career, in 1915, Kaganovich became a Communist organizer for a shoe factory where he worked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
The Holodomor (Ukrainian: literal translation Killing by hunger) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian SSR between 1932 and 1933. During the famine, which is also known as the "terror-famine in Ukraine" and "famine-genocide in Ukraine", millions of Ukrainians died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[4]
Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly; anywhere from 1.8[5] to 12 million[6] ethnic Ukrainians were said to have been killed as a result of the famine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Jewish-run Cheka???
Cheka... signed into existance by Lenin. That Cheka? The Cheka run by a revolutionary hero who was Polish?
Please provide us with some more information that links this organization as some Jewish operated/funded police force within the Soviet Union.
No doubt Cheka committed some brutal crimes. I just need more than your words that combine the two.
Lenin was part jewish and always spoke highly of jews. Some of the other top Bolsheviks who were said not to be jews were also probably jews or part jewish like early Cheka leader Dhervinski, and Beria. Other top Bolsheviks like Stalin and Molotov were married to jewesses. From an israeli newsite:
An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."
Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.
Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.
Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.
In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.
The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.
Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka
Thanks RC... I'll dig more into it and I appreciate your reply and level response.
Here's some more:
Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists' vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution -- partly because of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.
The collective leadership that emerged in Lenin's dying days was headed by the Jew Zinoviev, a loquacious, mean-spirited, curly-haired Adonis whose vanity knew no bounds.
"Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator."20 In Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.21 (Beginning as the Cheka, or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB.)http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy, the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed Lenin's execution order.22
Igor Shafarevich, a Russian mathematician of world stature, has sharply criticized the Jewish role in bringing down the Romanov monarchy and establishing Communist rule in his country. Shafarevich was a leading dissident during the final decades of Soviet rule. A prominent human rights activist, he was a founding member of the Committee on the Defense of Human Rights in the USSR.
In Russophobia, a book written ten years before the collapse of Communist rule, he noted that Jews were "amazingly" numerous among the personnel of the Bolshevik secret police. The characteristic Jewishness of the Bolshevik executioners, Shafarevich went on, is most conspicuous in the execution of Nicholas II.
From article written by an Israeli. Click on link for the rest of the article
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Stalin's Jews
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
Published: 12.21.06, 23:35 / Israel OpinionHere's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.
Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.
We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.
Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.
Kaboom!
Another heel removed from the ring in bits n pieces....
kind of sad though, with Frosty back, I was secretly hopin we'd see a reprise of Frosty\Ernie Roth doing his Abdullah Farouk thing, guiding Krazylic through his paces in a recreation of Ed Farhat's* THE SHEIK schtick - you know how those crazy sionists luv to impersonate the A-rabs!!!!
Unfortunately, RC applied the "camel clutch" to the new boy, and it was all over before the pencil face scratching could even begin!
Cobo Arena anybody?!?!?
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Farhat
Competition looks more like Little Beaver to me!
that's quite a trick, typing out of a body bag of misc. disassembled parts...how'd yu do that?!??? some kind of cabbalist shit?
Little Beaver? Must be because you're lying down...RC looks more like Andre the Giant from where the vertically positioned sit!
Awesome, genuine cyberspace jibberish, always a classic.
What part of "Randall Cabot whupped yur ass" do you not understand?
I find it hard to understand something which did not happen.
KABOOM! LOL!!!
Tool then.
That magic 6 million number was being tossed around long before Hitler came into view...
from the same link:
Did Zionist collaboration with Hitler play a role in producing THE Holocaust?
Lenni Brenner thinks so...From Chapter 5 of his book Zionism In The Age Of Dictators, here:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/index.htm
5. German Zionism Offers to Collaborate with Nazism
It was a dirty business getting that land on the shores of the eastern Mediterranean. The common Jewish folk were(and are) used as pawns just as common Gentile folk were(and are) as well.
re: Zionist Collaboration with Hitler/Nazis and common Jewish folk used as pawns...especially those who were against political Zionism.
quotes from the booklet by Jack Bernstein, an American Jew who emigrated to Israel:
THE LIFE OF AN AMERICAN JEW IN RACIST MARXIST ISRAEL ...
or you can buy the booklet at Amazon(1 new @ $221.22 - wtf!):
Amazon.com: The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel ...
Once and for all, there were no six million Jews killed during WW II. There were no death camps and no gas chambers for killing Jews. Those were work camps. Now let's talk about the real holocaust the Jews did to the Russians when they murdered 20 to 60 million of them.
starvation and disease were the primary killers in those camps...
but Jews(mainly those who were against Zionism) were put into those work camps, and that suited the purposes of those at the top levels of Zionism at that time. I'm pretty sure that there were some amount of Jews who were executed during those terrible times. But you can bet your ass that they weren't 'important Jews'(Zionists) who rubbed elbows with the likes of the Rothschilds.
But lets go back a bit further in time in regards to the modern state of Israel:
from: Timeline of the Rothschild family
** sound familiar?
and:
from: The Modern State of Israel: Providence, Miracle, or What Really
you said:
I'm with you there. Where's the monuments, movies, museums, and the constant browbeating and reminders("industry") of those victims of the 'Bolshevik' revolution?
Jews are hard wired into believing the holocaust myth which is why it's impossible to argue the point with them. The Talmud claims that 4 billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. They also claimed that 16 million Jewish kids were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. This at a time when the entire world population was probably less than 150 million.
Math, not to mention the truth, is not their strong suit when it comes to protecting their myths. I mean, what would all those rabbis do for a living if they actually had to work instead of brain wash people? Sort of like all religions which are just another form of programming.
Ah yes, the Holocaust denier, I was waiting for one of you vast Intellectuals to check in. It is amazing how ignorant you guys are.
Bingo!
I was waiting for one of you dissimulationists to check in!
Which "holocaust" asswipe? I know you think that yu own the term, but those days are done son!
Who denies the Armenian holocaust? The Ukranian holocaust? The slaughter of over 50 million Christian Russians? The death by deprivation of over 1.5 million Germans post WW2 end of hostilities? Only you Sabbatean Bolshevik scum!
Holocaust deniers!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ho Ho Holocaust: some day real soon, you gonna be sorry you even brought up the subject!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHJ_snG3RI Conny Francis: Who's Sorry Now?
JOYFUL, who are you going after? I am sorry, am I the "Sabbatean Bolshevik Scum!" ? I need a score card.
Do you deny the Nabka?
Wow. Now jews control the military industrial comples. come on buddy names names. Because, Boeing, MC Douglas, Lockheed, Blackwater and West Point, Annapolis are controlled by Jews. You might as well say this lie that Jews run the military industrial complex. It's not much different than the rest of the anti-semitic crap at Zerohedge.
If true, they suck with that control thing, otherwise Iran would have been a parking lot (along with other peaceful Isslamic regimes) years ago and oil would be flowing at 1/4 the cost.
Pikers!
Frosty!!!!!!!!!!!
Goood to see yu back mon! For a moment back there I was tottering on the edge of sympathy for the lonely on-duty dork holdin up the 6 pointed flag...now yu here, we can get back to business!
btw....what was yur point again?!??!?
Single out the Chinese, 15x more exterminated, and the Russians, 12x more exterminated, and the Pro-Israeli sympathizers are silent.
Maybe they should be silent all the time.
Wolf Wolf WOLF!
I am aware of the Chinese killing their own, and the Nork's, and the Khmer's, the VC, the Russians, Africans...
If you do not think that the Israeli Govt is not hoping to drag us into this so we use are people to pound Iran, you are out of your mind, or have not been watching or reading the news. While I agree with you that the Jewish Bashing is wrong, I also think that the IDF is on it's knees praying that the USA goes in and hits Iran with all that we have. Also how much do you want to bet that the Israeli PM has said "hey we do not have the air power to take out all of the sites with conventional bunker busters, so we are going to have to use tactical nukes if the US doesn't help". I am sure Israel is holding that baseball bat over our heads. You know the old "Hey Israel is nuts you never know what these guys might do and not tell us". That line is getting old. No more wars for USA we are broke.
I do not see Obama helping Israel, he wants them shoved back into 1967 borders, if anyone attacks Iran it will be Israel, not us.
But if your description of the baseball bat is correct, if Iran is allowed to produce nukes, you would trust an Iranian bat more?
Obama is going to help Israel for one simple reason, it is an ELECTION year. Come on, do you think he could carry Florida/California by not helping them, also I think that other little state NEW YORK, might have a problem if we told Israel to go fight their own war. As for the Iranian Bat, I would like to see proof for once that they are close to a nuclear bomb, instead of sending our men and women of the Armed Forces into another Meat Grinder for ten years. Hey here is an idea, while most people on ZH feel we do not live in a democracy, I still have hope we might for once have a discussion/debate before we go barreling in to another GODDAMN war. Enough of this, we do not have the MONEY for this shit anymore.
I doubt he'll "help" in a grand fashion, he'll look to contain the hostility if hostility starts, I see no boots on the ground. I'd be open to ideas on how to go about confirming if they have a nuclear weapon, not like we can just take them at their word for it. Either they pull a Saddam and say no but act like they do when they don't or they say no and act like they do and they do. Difference between Iran & Iraq being Iran has a functioning nuclear reactor capable of producing byproducts to make a bomb. I would be more comfortable in erring on the side of assuming they have it and taking it away than assuming they don't and awake to a glowing pile of radioactive debris that used to be a Western city. I blame the Russians for this anyway, if those money-grubbing mobster mongrels hadn't built the damn reactor this entire discussion would be moot.
I agree with you that the Russians screwed us and the rest of the world by building that Nuke Reactor, and I think given Russia's Muslim Problem on their southern borders, this in the long end will bite them in the ass big time. As for your statement that "I see no boots on the ground", I would point to three Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups setting up in the Persian Gulf, 15,000 Marines in Kuwait, and also Deiago Garcia, the huge US Airbase in Saudi Arabia, and oh yeah, those 1 or 2 guys in Afghanistan. Of course the best outcome would be for us to get the hell out of there, but Israel is going to hit Iran and good luck with Obama's "Contain the hostility if hostility starts". We are going to be dragged in by our ball sack because The Commander And Chief wants to get re-elected and he would have to back Israel 100% because god forbid we do not go along with what Israel wants. Again, NEW YORK/CALIFORNIA/FLORIDA, you do not get those states and good luck getting elected. Last point, we are broke, NO $$$$, we can not afford being the World's Police Force anymore.
I agree we cannot afford it anymore, and I would like nothing better than to not get involved, but if someone does something (don't care who starts it) letting the flow of oil to be shut off is not an option, doesn't matter who is in the WH.
As for the politics, I dunno how that dynamic will work, Obama's torked off Jewish voters once, he can do it again, but I cannot discount your concerns entirely.
Russia crapped in the bed and we are left wondering what to do with the dirty diaper. Sure would be nice to find a way to stick them with the bill, but they have their own petro-thugocracy to promote, so depsite what they say, they more than anyone has as much to gain by high oil prices as anybody.
Agreed battle axe. Obama will do whatever doz guys at da Fed tell him ta do in order to get reelected, especially if it includes some military action around Election Day.....wouldn't want to "change horses in mid-stream" now, would we?
Actually, most of the complaints on ZH are about political zionism, not the "jewish people".
Time to turn off faux news and yank the ADL input device out of the back of your head.
A blank retort?
Didn't like my link I guess. I'll try again.
Political Zionism, Zionism being the establishment of a Jewish homeland, Political meaning any support for said homeland is off limits and not anti-Jewish.
I have no idea how that works. I guess you want to take their homeland away and send the Jews back to, ahh, umm...
That's quite an inference. Kindly show me where I implied that?
Political zionism is a secular concept (see Herzl, Ben-Gurion, etc) that is antithetical to the teachings of the Torrah. That being said, Jews are not a "race" or an "ethnicity" but rather followers of a particular religion. Please study up.
I will leave you with a fascinating quote by Mr. Herzl himself:
Well, people around here throw around the term "Jew" in a political, religious and ethnic manner all wrapped up in a bundle so when I read -
"if Israel got wiped off the face of the map, again that hurts America how ?" And it gets 29 up arrows, what am I to make of it?
and
"That 6 million crap is a ploy used to hide the crimes committed by jews. And if the jews didn't act as a group to screw Germany in WWI there wouldn't have been Hitler or Nazis:" ??
and
"jew supremacists" ??
"Israel aka Zionist Insiders aka Warmongers Incorprated." ??
and
"zionist colonization of palestine" ??
and
"Israel the pariah cancerous insidious thuggery state is the reason for all the fucking Wars in the world" ??
Please, enlighten me as to what I should think. And more specifically who I should blame, so that I might kill them so they are no longer a plague upon mankind.
I did not, however. Fallacy 101. In fact, it's irrelevant within the context of this discussion. This proves my point that you don't understand the ideology or history of political zionism.
No, that's your job.
Those are all valid points and in no way insinuate "anti-jewish rhetoric". Remember, Israel is a SECULAR nation state and quite a violent one at that. Most points of contempt center around the globalist origins of political zionism and its undue influence. Taking a shot at the policies and doctrines of an oppressive, apartheid regime is not the same as slandering a religious identity.
Bankers, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers...
You can learn a lot on ZH and many people here are willing to assist, but first you have to show that you're willing to learn. Throwing around MSM talking points won't help you in any way.
Wow, first time in my life I have been accused of throwing around MSM talking points!
Bankers. That covers a lot of ground.
"You can learn a lot on ZH and many people here are willing to assist, but first you have to show that you're willing to learn."
Well, you nuked that with - "No, that's your job."
I tried, I failed, oh well.
Aiding someone in learning is entirely different than "telling you what to think".
Huffington Post may be a bit more your speed...
PuffHo, yeah, right, rather eat broken glass.
And I thought telling and informing...or was it screaming and cursing, was educating...
I'm not sure who that is directed at or what it even means. Although it does sound like my experience in the public school system.
"..... and send the Jews back to, ahh, umm..."
...Kazakhstan. Where all you Sabbatean scum came from. Though I doubt they'd want you back, either.
kralizec said:
If you really care about the well being of the Jewish people, why are you defending the government of Israel? The Israeli government is one of the biggest threats to the well being of Jewish people worldwide.
If you were to construct a Venn diagram of the interests of Jewish people and the interests of the government of Israel, there would be very little overlap.
Well then, there should be blood in the streets of Israel either way then, shouldn't there?!
Look moron, we have some really good semi-pro trolls here like MDB.
You're not anywhere near the quality of MDB. :)
So go the fuck away.
Who are you talking about -- the Midianites or the Moabites. Jews have a knack for leaving out historical evil genocide before Hitler. And yes Virginia, the Jews are right up there at the top of the heap.
If Israel is that scared of an imminent attempt at genocide by Iran, then take them the fuck out already -- protect your people and damn public opinion. It is irresponsible for them to expose their citizens to that danger if they have evidence to such an event.
And if they're playing polemics to make sure they get more US financial aid, then STFU.
212 times before.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/
Obama Administration placed Israel on the Terrorist Nation watch list. Go search it. Why? I dunno?
That was back in July, they listed it as a "mistake".
American government bureaucrats have labeled those who support the Constitution, fly the Gadsden or support Ron Paul as terrorists. Also people with cameras, maps or surplus food.
...and people who served in the military, believe in 2A rights or belong to or support the Tea Party.
I'll have a lot of company in the FEMA camp, if I am still alive...
Last but not least, Ron Paul supporters. It's in the MIAC report.
Allied nations express their support through treaties. The US has asked Israel to sign mutual defense treaties. Israel has always refused.
Yes, was an ally. No Jew is an ally of a bankrupt economy.
That is quite to the point Global Hunter. There is little preventing him from getting out front instead of sitting home and asking the rest of us to back his horse in this race.
Israel has enough nukes to toast Iran 100 times over. And they cry like babies that they are being picked on. Frankly, this whole Jewish thing is getting out of hand. Europe committed the crimes, yet others have been made to pay the price. Why is that? Why was Europe not held to account for it's crimes against their Jewish citizens? I don't get it, and to this day the Israeli Jews hate the people whose land they occupied, instead to the Europeans who shoved them into gas chambers. I don't get it!
Go fuck yourself.
Say please!
Please.
Thanks, but no thanks. POints for politeness though!
it sucks when you are not the gods chosen people no more ...
Yes, the lack of cultural delusions of grandeur can really hold a person back in life.
And here all along I thought it was just because I wasn't one of the beautiful people.
You're saying that.
We're saying Israel is not our problem and not worth the money and lives for their land grabs and paranoia.
Israel aka Zionist Insiders aka Warmongers Incorprated.
Lets not taint the Israeli population because god forbid they arent looking for WWIII.
The corrupt worldwide Zionists co-opted the idea of Israel a century again.
Israel is their Trojan horse gift to the World.
These Zionist leaders and bankers are the Mongol hordes of the 21st century. They are the scourge of the Earth.
The only way out? Every single citizen of every single country needs to stand up and be counted but first and most of all the US.
WAR IS NOT foreordained - do not stand for it, do not sit idly by and allow it.. Dont fall into fear once again. This is how they win every time. Turn us against each other with fear. This time stand up with love for you fellow men and women worldwide. Time to stand up and be counted.
We are LEGION!
most israelis are as brainwashed by zionism as americans. The movie "defamation" paints a pretty good picture. That said, if you are israeli and haven't figured out by now that the zionist colonization of palestine is immoral, illegal and brutal, then there is not much hope for you.
Fuck the IDF, Aman , Shin bet, the Mossad ... The world would have been a better place without you Zionist Bastards!
Israel the pariah cancerous insidious thuggery state is the reason for all the fucking Wars in the world..
who is the terrorist?!
"It is believed that Israel had possessed an operational nuclear weapons capability by 1967, with the mass production of nuclear warheads occurring immediately after the Six-Day War.[2] Although no official statistics exist, it has been estimated that Israel possesses from 75 to as many as 400 nuclear weapons, which are reported to include thermonuclear weapons in the megaton range.[3][4][5] Israel is also reported to possess a wide range of different systems, including neutron bombs, tactical nuclear weapons, and suitcase nukes.[6] Israel is believed to manufacture its nuclear weapons at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, a highly secretive nuclear installation located near Dimona."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Israel has almost 200 nuclear weapons (WMD as Bush would call them). (Did the Lt Gen forget to mention that?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
They have a tough fighting force and can easily defend themselves very well. Besides Barry is too busy showing off his Nobel Peace Prize to the northern Australians:
from NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/world/asia/obama-addresses-troops-at-f...
Too bad the lying thieves don't have 200 brains to go with em.
Well I hope this is well calculated because there is no winning a war against Russia and China if they get involved. It's as if everone has fogotten how powerful nukes are. Russia could detonate all it's nukes on it's homeland and destroy the entire planet.
note to Israel:
please do not provoke the Bear.
thank you.
Lets gather all the Jewish children (of age) of the Wall Street crime ring that set this world on fire with their greed and ship them off to fight for Isreal, after all they profess to be the chosen people so what better way to preserve that heritage. Think we would have a war? Not in a million years but, so long as they can get some poor kids to fight it and let them come home in body bags and without limbs, they are in for the fight.
from Israel...same ol shit, different day
This is a very well concieved publicity stunt to put the fear of Iran as a nuclear power firmly in the mind of the common people. It is nothing more than a justification to go to war. How many WMD's did we ACTUALLY find in Iraq? Oh yeah, none. Ooops, Sorry Saddam and the people of Iraq, so sad, our bad. Here, let us free your oil, and start creating a democratic utopia. YMMV. Opinions are like assholes. We all have them, and they all stink.
That being said, war is nearer than any of us really think. Prepare for the massive media blitz about Iran and the threat it poses in the Mideast. Watch the talking heads, CNN, CNBC, Fox, MSNBC, 60 Minutes. You know, the teleprompter idiots behind the newsdesks. Just sayin'.
I think Israel may be close to acquiring a nuclear weapon!
/sarc
Israeli leaders aren't threatening to wipe other countries off t he map and don't encourage weekly chantings of death to other countries. When they do, feel free to compare them.
sampson option?
"samson option"
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
And the Boa Constrictor wraps you in its warm embrace. The last thing you see is its gaping smile.
1 (one) each, poodle, zionist, standard issue.
These bombs are the ones Israhell plans to set off in America and European cities to goad them into attacking Iran. With any luck, Iran will eliminate Israhell one way or another. Then they need to blow up Washington DC, NY, Hollyweird, the City of London, the Bank of International Settlements, and hunt down the 1%. Then we can all rejoice.
And I see that someone has left the doors to the mental ward open again, somebody find the keys and lock the door please. I always love when what I think is an american, who lives in some godforsaken shack in the woods hopes for an American City to be nuked. Thorazine drip time.
It aint the keys, it's the juice to the Electro magnets that hold the tops of the doors shut. Aint no loonie getting out being weakened by a chemical restraint in the blood.
The same with Nursing homes, those front doors are frosty and keypad is in tiny font for a reason.
Search:
US Intel Director prepares US public of pending false flag attack. Just released, no real "shocker" there.
Yeah, and Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Oh, and Yellow Cake. Or was that Martha Stewart? It's been so long.
What utter pablum. Restated:
but OH BOY does it ever piss off Western debt pushers.
Yes, the petrodollar is about to end, meaning world reserve currency status will end, meaning America will be finished as a superpower and won't be able to export its debt (and inflation) anymore.
Wasn't there something written about the end times concerning spiders? I wonder if that was referring to the web bot spiders who predict total destruction in 2012? Starting in March. Crazy ass stuff going on.
I think they were predicting Spyder ETF's as a sign of destruction. /sarc
Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. He had his own jet airplane back then too.
I'd like to hear Newt's cover of Moonage Daydream. Or maybe not.
Ok, now you're scaring me...
When you see the abomination that makes desolate standing in the holy place know the end is near.
I wouldn't be too quick on the Israel bashing. Giving Israel a few hundred nukes was our check on the Arab world and its oil. The yearly price paid for this is nothing compared to a world where all the Arab oil was owned by the Russians or the Chinese. It's not a great situation over there, but it could be worse.
Stick to checkers, ese.
Israel shouldn't be concerned about a few pounds of (alledged) enriched uranium in Iran.
They should be concerned about massive numbers of nukes Russia has ...and missiles to deliver them pretty much anywhere they want.
China and Russia (and India and Japan) have drawn a line in the sand at Iran, telling America don't cross it, and that includes America's shitty little proxy Israel.
This time it really IS different. America arrogantly crosses that line and the thermonuclear card WILL be played, American cities WILL be nuked, and I really hope Russia turns that miserable little strip of desert to glass & ash. They'd be doing all of us a favor.
Amen, Geezer.
BTW, you've got a great eye for avatars.
I was thinking more on topic - like camel toe.
I hope londonistan, dc, brussels, and tel aviv are ALL VAPORIZED.
Ron Paul was warning us back in '06 that war with Iran was on the agenda if they attempted to trade oil in anything other than dollars. Here's the text from his speech on the House floor: Ron Paul: The End Of Dollar Hegemony: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html
Heard afterword and off camera:
"Look, the short version is this: The current rulers of militant Zionists and our "friends" (aka useful idiots) the militant Neocons (the current names you know them as) have plans to make the Middle East, greater Israel. It does not matter if the citizens of Israel or the US support it or not, the process will continue. We currently are using the "Nuclear bomb" approach with a subtext of our resources being sold to the Chinese. Even the difference between religions is a tool to sway and control the masses, we could care less who believes what as long as we are in control. In this, all people are equal, regardless of race creed or religion. This includes long range plans for other areas of the world, we just happen to be in the middle east now. The driving force of this change is through a common currency, which we will control, and any deviation will be dealt with most severely. Just look at wars against the "bad guys" for the last 100 years and you will see that most printed their own money without a privately owned central bank. That will not be tolerated, people will see that life will be better without private central control of the money supply....
So, to sum up, world domination through control of money supply and war to those who oppose. It has been out in the open for a long time and now, if you will excuse me, it's time for lunch"
So many anti-Israeli comments. I love you guys! :)
I am in no way exaggerating when I say that I believe Israel to be the most dangerous nation in the history of mankind. And yes, I find them far more dangerous than Hitler's Germany because he at least did not have a nuclear arsenal.
People need to remember that most, if not all, of the Iraq WMD "information" we got came from Israel. How did that turn out?
Do we really want to wage yet another war for this psychotic, ruthless little apartheid regime?
We cannot allow America to be suckered into yet another war for these savages. This must be stopped...At all costs.
This is in the Jewish DNA to suck the blood of their saviors. This happened 212 time before in the history and one more is on the horizon.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/
As of June 2003 Israel has cost the US taxpayers over $3 Trillion. Probably double that by now. And for what?
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/june2003/0306020.html
He was right about Iraq:
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/mar/24/00007/
March 2003
Whose War?
A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.
By Patrick J. Buchanan