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Israel To Keep US In The Dark Before Launching Pre-emptive Iran Attack
It had been a quiet week in terms of geopolitical developments out of Middle East. Too quiet, well aside for that whole US escalating once again bit, and forcing Iran to eventually go over the edge. And while the role of the US and Iran has been extensively digested in the past few weeks, it is Iran that has remained in the shadows recently. No longer: as Al Arabiya reports, "Israeli officials say they won’t warn the U.S. if they decide to launch a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, according to one U.S. intelligence official familiar with the discussions. The pronouncement, delivered in a series of private, top-level conversations, sets a tense tone ahead of meetings in the coming days at the White House and Capitol Hill. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak delivered the message to a series of top-level U.S. visitors to the country, including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the White House national security adviser and the director of national intelligence, and top U.S. lawmakers, all trying to close the trust gap between Israel and the U.S. over how to deal with Iran's nuclear ambitions, according to The Associated Press." Needless to say, the thoroughly effete and comical US foreign policy has no response to follow up queries: "The White House did not respond to requests for comment, and the Pentagon and Office of Director of National Intelligence declined to comment, as did the Israeli Embassy." And while there may be no comments here, look for more warnings about Israeli citizens being targetted by deranged Iranian around the world. Because when all else fails, fearmonger. Next up: the Status Quo will be telling the world how not attacking Iran would be tantamount to global destruction. The only trade off - will the spike in crude to $150 outdo the surge in Obama's popularity rating as the Nobel Peace Prize winner puts his name in the hat for a nomination in the Nobel War Prize category as well.
More from Al Arabia, about how Iraq continues to be the case study for an Iranian invasion from Israel's perspective:
Netanyahu was asked about Begin’s decision to destroy an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, according to AFP.
The successful attack is often referred to by Israeli analysts when speculating about the possibility of an Israeli military operation against nuclear installations in Iran.
When asked if he had studied how Begin reached the decision to strike Iraq, Netanyahu insisted that each case is different.
“Each decision is a separate decision,” he said.
Netanyahu had said on Sunday that Iran’s controversial nuclear program, which Western powers believe is aimed at developing an atom bomb, would be the main topic in his discussions at the White House with President Barack Obama on March 5.
In the meantime, the US continues to lose ground to Israel when it comes to foreign interests:
The behind-the-scenes warning belies the publicly united front the two sides have attempted to craft with the shuttle diplomacy to each other’s capitals.
“It’s unprecedented outreach to Israel to make sure we are working together to develop the plan to deter Iran from developing a nuclear weapon,” and to keep them from exporting terrorism, said Maryland Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
He traveled there with the Intelligence Committee chairman, Rep. Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican, to meet Israel’s prime minister and defense minister, along with other officials.
“We talked about the fact that sanctions are working and they are going to get a lot more aggressive,” Ruppersberger added, according to AP.
They also talked about presenting a unified front to Iran, to counter the media reports that the two countries are at odds over how and when to attack Iran.
“We have to learn from North Korea. All those (peace) talks and stalling and they developed a nuclear weapon,” he said. “We are going to send a message, enough is enough, the stalling is over. ... All options are on the table.”
“I got the sense that Israel is incredibly serious about a strike on their nuclear weapons program,” Rogers told CNN on Monday. “It’s their calculus that the administration ... is not serious about a real military consequence to Iran moving forward.”
“They believe they’re going to have to make a decision on their own, given the current posture of the United States,” he added.
Somehow we have a feeling that the so far peaceful war, that of words, is about to be enjoined by those "others" who have a stake in the conflict: Russia and China. And when that happens, go long Crude. Because the market has now entered the mania phase, where nothing short of a Lehman type failure can precipitate a massive deflationary collapse.
Which, incidentally, is precisely what will happen if and when WTI passes record highs in a few months.
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Israel keeping the US in the dark about military ops isn't that much different than the US Government keeping the US in the dark about military ops.
Obama prefers dark!
The Network News and cable news anchors are not going to like this ONE BIT.
Brian Williams, Shep Smith, Wolf Blitzer, Scott Pelley, Anderson Cooper & Geraldo all have their war reporting attire picked out, and have spent much time rehearsing the beginning act, hushed voice preface to the war, as they dramatically slink lower behind some wall or other cover from the balcony of their hotel room, their camera mens' cameras outfitted with nightvision and pointed at the Tehran skyline.
Oh, they must be pissed now! Do not steal their Circus, bitchez!
Israeli Govt: Don't Marry American Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaIixTNL3I8
Israeli Government Tells Israelis Not to Marry American Jews
Dec 1, 2011 5:30 AM EST
The Israeli government has launched an aggressive advertising campaign in the U.S. to discourage its expats from marrying American Jews—who some see as not really Jews at all.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/01/israeli-government-tells-israelis-not-to-marry-american-jews.html
and I am an Anti-Semite! LULZ!!!
The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers (2009)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UND27EkqpYM&feature=g-all-u&context=G2082bfdFAAAAAAAAAAA
Give me a break, Mossad tweets the CIA every time they take a piss.
Other way around.
Nobody is in the dark. All this saber rattling is to keep KSA princes in line for their petrol-dollar paychecks.
But they said.....they said the US won't know!
[Wink wink, nod nod]
like they could launch a fuckin single plane without our knowing it...we have AWACS all over the region, nevermind terrestrial radar and satellite
I can scarcely believe you are republishing this crap. Our radars in Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Bharain, ship based, satelite based (imaging not radar per-se) and elsewhere pick up anyhting larger than a basket ball originating from any Israeli airfield or missile site or anywhere in the Middle East for that matter.
JW n FL
Thanks for the link to "The Most Dangerous Man in America..." - never seen it before - one person can make a difference. What I can't understand though, is why, after lies are publicly exposed, do people read the information and then ignore it
Well, American Jewish women do stink in bed.
Hey now let's not overgeneralize here :) some jewish ladies are freaks
Well said!!
i so totally mark for that pouty jappy look tho lol
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Israel just talking more trash. They dont have the balls to attack Iran unless they want to be destroyed. Perhaps, that has been the plan all along.
I agree If Israel attacks Iran but fails to go 'all out', the odds are pretty damned high that Israel gets crushed. And I mean 'pulverized'. Iran is very, very capable of that.
Come on now. Other than their friends north of Israel they have no way to respond. No planes that can make that flight and no rockets that can reach the 800 miles. Hell, Israel would have a hell of a time carrying out a significant attack given the distance and logistics involved. They could probably have some impact by themselves but why do you think they want us involved? Capabilities. They didn't bother to tell us when they went after Iraq and Syria's facilities because they didn't need our help.
I see. So really, Iran offers no threat? Ok.
But if it's ok with you, I'll just stick to my own theory. Thanks for your opinion though.
The truth is they don't have the physical capacity and combined platform and weapons range to do anything actually decisive or even especially effective. As I pointed out with some technical detail a few months back their strike/attack aircraft don't have the necessary range to fly a realistic route as far as Teheran, over SAM and fighter defended terrane, even in conjunction with stand-off cruise weapons to extend the range available. And they don't have the support measures to get there and back unchallenged and unseen, or to make repeat attacks once surprise is blown.
They would struggle to do much that's effective with their subs, using SLCMs, and the truth is, no one actually knows if Israel has a long-range SLCM, similar to Tomahawk in performance. They have never demonstrated such a capability, or publicised such a missile. People are assuming their subs can launch such missiles, and in significant and decisive numbers. I seriously doubt it. At best they could muster two (very small) subs out there, with a limited load-out mixture of both SLCM missiles, torpedos/mines, and/or special forces.
That's pretty thin, nigh-on fuck-all really.
But Iran is also not ignorant and are quite capable of advanced airborne, surface and sub-surface anti-submarine warfare. Which means Israel would have to take great care to remain away from potentially mined shallows where hydrophone arrays are almost certainly present (and where torpedo-based mines specifically designed to detect and attack US and Israeli subs may have been deployed). Such subs are very vulnerable and prone to torpedo attack or even air-dropped depth charges, if detected in the shallows. And they're also rather slow. Very high risk to expose a tiny number of crucially valuable and irreplaceable subs.
Which greatly reduces the available strike range radii to anything they could hit decisively with a long-range SLCM, even if it exists. Iran is a BIG country, and the targets will be deliberately positioned many hundreds of km from the coast and borders.
Their only other realistic strike option is to use conventional ballistic missiles, which they very well could use, but you'd need a lot of these, and they'd need to penetrate solid rock to considerable depth to make a difference, else it's a waste of time.
The other option is a combination of all of the above, plus special forces, but I don't take this option that seriously because quite frankly, Iran can return the favour any time it wants to, and Israel is much smaller and easier to do it to.
Does Israel really want to play that game? Not if they have any brains they won't.
Plus if Israel did the above, they could get their arses handed to them, thus appearing to be fairly toothless and pathetic in practice. Then where are they? That's what occurred in mid-2006, when trying to deal with a much smaller and easier to detect and hit, plus vastly less problematic and much inferior equipped opponent, sitting right at their doorstep.
All the IDF could do in the end in that situation was to blatantly destroy civilian apartment blocks with 2000lb bombs, destroy civilian bridges, destroy civilian roads, destroy civilian airports, destroy civilian power infrastructure, destroy civilian ports, whilst bombarding civilian towns to rubble with heavy artillery, and pasting known inhabited areas and towns with delayed-action antipersonnel cluster munitions, designed to act as area-denial mines.
And such small mines are not supposed to kill you, at least not right away, they're designed to traumatically wound you, creating terror and horror, thus damaging morale and/or fighting capacity of any actual fighting forces with shocking psychological impact. It's the cruelest and most barbaric sort of weapon.
So who's the terrorist state? Who's acting like blatant war criminals? Who's got the unquenchable war machine always hungering and militating for more innocent blood? Who's the endless danger to regional peace and good-will festering wars at every turn? Who's consolidating their earlier territorial land thefts and annexations?
I really don't think it's Teheran.
It certainly isn't Syria.
I don't know about every players' capabilities as to range and countermeasures and I suspect you were not invited to the last briefing either, only that they have more up their sleeves than we will ever be told about, I just think it is too bad that Iran refuses to comply with the UN thus handing a clean neat little excuse for the dogs of war to come out barking again. Just think, all they have to do is comply with the terms of a treaty they signed and a few old guys from the UN walk through a couple facilities and bingo, no more threat of war. Unless of course they do have something to hide. I say again that Iran is not going to get atomic weapons. It seems an awful lot of time and effort is going into attacking people who insist Iran abide by the terms of the non proliferation treaty which would be a lot better spent convincing Iran to just comply. Heck, I would be happy enough if Iran wants the bomb so fucking badly let them withdraw from the treaty like North Korea did. I assure you that if Iran continues on this path Saudi Arabia will also decide it has to have the bomb. Then Turkey. Then Egypt. If the terms of the NNPT are not upheld you might as well scrap it today.
You realise such inspections occurred a Dimona? It made no difference then, and I guarantee you, Israel is not going to be satisfied with declarations and inspection, for they absolutely know a large scale nuclear program can be hidden in plain-view.
I say there is a very high chance Iran already has fissile material for a few weapon cores, and are possibly a nuclear-armed state right now. I say this not to be confronting, I'm not interested in playing games. I say it because given the time and circumstances involved it's overwhelmingly likely to be correct, if it's tested.
If true we can forget about getting Iran to back-down, as they won't. I expect they have prepared a site for an underground nuclear test, where a test can be performed at short notice, to warn the US from an attack, or to force them stop an attack, if that became necessary.
I don't accept the myth the US or Israel can detect the actual state of play in Iran, or anywhere else, regarding nuclear munition development, via satellite, drone or RC-135s taking air samples. At best you're getting indications and signatures of certain types of activities (at least prior to an actual test). You still don't know what's really happening, and that's why they want people to have a look around, in person. But even then, they still won't know for sure, and can't and won't be made 'sure', nor be reassured. Period!
This is a fact.
So then the speculation begins afresh, and it's circular conversations proceed, and fear dictates logical response and conclusion, and finally political meddling intervenes in the cycle, after enough silly reports have been concocted. At that point they just start making shit up as necessary.
That's how it really will go down, unless that circular process itself is exposed and discussed.
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Regarding the NPT I've done a lot of reading, thinking and writing about this topic. I came to a stark and clear view in about 1998 that the NPT has indeed a total failure. It is a complete failure, and it failed almost as soon as it became a globally-recognised enforceable treaty instrument. That was the signal to test it out, to really push the envelope and see what could be hidden. I could give you a chapter sized discussion of the many examples of its complete failure to discover proliferation.
The IAEA is literally about as ineffective as the US SEC. It only 'discovers' a problem if it wants to, or is instructed to, via US political pressure being applied, whether there is a real problem, or not.
And the great pity is that the NPT's failure is also continually swept under the carpet with the familiar process we see here, every day at zh, within the financial domain. People really don't want to know and actually face the horrible reality that the NPT is indeed a hollow sham, that it was an impossible fantasy and nonsense from the very beginning. People will believe in an impossible goal like the NPT process, because they feel they must. You simply have to take a pro-active optimist's position to work in that area, otherwise you'd see right though to its impossibility in an instant.
I certainly understand and could detail a multitude of reasons why the NPT illusion is avidly maintained, and why its absurd pretence of non-proliferation continues. It's not hard to understand the reasons for it. And I have no doubt the G20 fully understand it's a complete failure. They all know how easy it is to cheat, and to escape observation, because they have all done it. And there is understandable reticence to ever call out a discovered cheat, as it's just too big a deal if you do ... unless someone actually wants to make an example, or to start a war.
As right now.
Yes the NPT can slow down proliferation, it can greatly complicate proliferation planning, and make it technically difficult and more expensive in numerous ways, but it can never prevent or halt, or reverse a determined nuclear proliferator's steady progression to a munition. The NPT is a finger in the dike, at best, as the hole gets steadily bigger, until you get a hidden flood of nuclear capable states emerging.
That is in fact what has happened .
The IAEA openly accepts there are at least 20 countries today who are not nuclear powers but can build a nuclear explosive at any time they wish to (IAEA Head explicitly stated this to reporters in Sydney at the opening of OPAL research reactor).
So this is not a new view, it's actually a very well understood one, and known to be true, by the IAEA itself.
That is the certainty all secret developers and proliferators of duel-use technologies and actual A-bomb munitions have discovered. Namely; if it was true for them, that they could not be discovered or stopped, then logically, it's ultimately true for other aspirants to A-bombs as well.
They all know this, that nuclear proliferation can not be stopped, that it is everywhere, and you can only pretend to be able to stop it. And the IAEA knows full well that it is pretending to be stopping it.
They know they are con-merchants.
The role of Govt spokes-people therefore is to pretend this isn't the case, and to concoct and maintain a mutually agreed elaborate web of organisations, meetings and inspections, determinations and reporting, to continue a charade for public and diplomatic consumption.
But the truth is totally different.
The militaries all know the score. Most Generals and Admirals are not chumps. They have known from the very beginning that the NPT was a political fig-leaf, that it could be easily circumvented, and would be, as a matter of course.
Something else about the military take on it all; They know that politics are transient, but capabilities are what you have to combat. So a military command looks at a potential capability and ignores the politics, and presumes that in a strategic conflict an advanced technical potential will be actualised, and the political barriers will become completely irrelevant during such a time.
And that is why the NPT has implicitly failed, because even if a country is not overtly arming themselves with nukes, their military's are actively planning and materially preparing for a day when they are required to do it -- really fast. So they have to design, test and build pre-fabricated support systems and actual warheads and missile couplings, and these must be operationally refined a decade in advance. Leaving only a weapon's fissile core to be added, in order to complete a deliverable and fully developed warhead adn delivery system, that's almost immediately ready to use.
They all know this! And that's why Iran openly announcing the formal acquisition of a large state stock of 20% HEU, is understood to create a defacto nuclear capability. Because they all know, or should know, that Iran would not be doing this so openly unless it already knew it could get away with doing it. Iran is not actually stupid.
That they could not be stopped ... simply because they have already made it. That is the message they are sending, but the West still isn't grasping the implied meaning of this.
And all the advanced formally non-nuclear militaries have certainly already done that also, and will implicitly understand what Iran's status actually is now. The situation is now so ambiguous that you don't dare assume they don't have the bomb. That's what the military's will all be thinking. It's the politicians who still don't get it.
Senior US military must inform the politicans more directly, and bring them back to earth, or they will make monumental blunders that force Iran to act in the Strait, and this will do terrible damage to everyone, and it can not be quickly or assuredly resolved. Iran could sink ships there for the next 3-years if this gets kicked off under the daft and failed cause of nuclear-nonproliferation.
And they most certainly will build a substantial pre-fab nuclear arsenal, and will abandon the NPT when fully ready.
And Element do YOU realize Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT? If they were I would say the same for them. As I said above if Iran does not want to comply they should simply withdraw from the NNPT and let the chips fall where they may, till then they will comply or suffer the consequences of non compliance.
And PLEASE do not try to tell me that a hard line stance on the issue can't work:
North Korea Agrees to Halt Nuclear Activities, US SaysThe United States said on Wednesday that North Korea had agreed to a moratorium on nuclear tests and long-range missile launches and to allow nuclear inspectors to visit its Yongbyon nuclear complex to verify a halt to all nuclear activities including uranium enrichment.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46571576
boiltherich said:
Iran is in compliance with their obligations under the NNPT.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MH16Ak03.html
...not that you'll read it, of course, since your mind is already made up.
American jews are the ones keeping the state of israel viable. Talking about biting the hands that feed you the bagels. Without all the american jews controlling the governments, finance, economy, propaganda, where would israel be?
And israel doesn't have to tell the american anything about what they are about to do. Since when is the master accountable to the servant?
Israel is the master. America is the servant. We fight their wars, let them control our minds, and we let them print our currency to bail out their banking cartel and buy our real stuff and bribe our politicians to cram all this down our throats. Bernake's mentor became the head of Israel's central bank. A large fraction of the neocons are Jewish. We take their false flags like a prison bitch. Let's face it- America is a puppet state which they run as an economic colony and a souce of cannon fodder. The Zionist cancer saps our wealth, blood, vitality, civic virtue, and intelligence. And we let them do it. Because of our collective stupidity.
This isn't necessarily a Jewish thing. Three of my friends are freedom-loving, Israel-hating Jews and one even had a Palestinian flag in his office back in the day. When the truth comes to a boil, there will be fractured loyalty- this is one thing Mossad is trying to prevent with that ad.
From the link, Israel is also trying to pull back its expats. I think Mossad knows that a few Americans might wake up after all the banksters escape to Israel with the gold and give their plundered hosts the finger. They don't want their citizens to have any entanglements with Americans because they fear another Holocaust after the revolution.
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The whole world is a stage
>Brian Williams, Shep Smith, Wolf Blitzer, Scott Pelley, Anderson Cooper & Geraldo all have their war reporting attire picked out
This is a very good point. Modern warfare brings about the benefit of additional entertainment, which helps boost the economy. Since money is fungible, money that entrepeneurs would have spent developing entertainment products (e.g. movies) can instead be repurposed for the next most urgent needs.
Entertainment is one of the many beneficial side effects of warfare that must be taken into account in an honest, truth-seeking debate.
Meanwhile CBS can once again launch the war during their March Madness telecast.
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Ya, it'll be dark for awhile then it'll brighten up from a few megaton candles.
Everything that matters about government and politics is left in the dark.
How many US slaves know the true nature of their usurper?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXFxbx1Y4M
plausible deniability ... what else is new
I suspect the Iranians will see right through that ...
exactly.
Shhhhhhh! be quiet...
Obama is working on his 'apology' speech if Israel decides to go it alone...
Not plausible deniability. Just the fact that the Israelis know that if Obama is given the heads up he will tell the Iranians before he hangs up with Bebe.
Wouldn't it be something if Iraq Insane Osama used the Synagogue of Satan's attack on the people of Persia as an excuse to throw on his Jihadi colors and bomb the fuck out of his most hated enemy, Israel?
obama is not allowed to wipe is ass without nuttyahoo knowing about it and first approving.
Put down the Kool-Aid.
Unfortunately plausible denial was already used in the movie "Independence Day"
only a 5.2% chance on intrade, what if they go before then and bibi yahoo comes and tells obarry on march 5th? fait accompli.
Purim.
israel's going to get seriously fucked up if they attack iran-200,000 missiles of all sorts and sizes will rain down on all of israel, and if the jews dare to use nukes of any kind iran will unleash bios, chems and radiation bombs on israel, and attack and slaughter jews all over the world-it's not a good time to be a jew.
I'd be shocked if you were correct. Time will tell.
Fuck um , I mean what have the Jews ever done for us.
That question keeps coming up in all of these kind of threads, as tho it is an important question. It is irrelevant whether the Jews have done anything for us or not. We are all about doing things for them. That is the christian way.
Yeah, no shit?
I guess you're right. The US has most of the tanks, planes and ships, and a lot more poor folks to get killed than Israel.
Therefore, we fight their wars in Muslim countries for them. After all, it's the christian way, eh?
@Randall Cabot: I'm curious about your avatar - it it a Bowflex?
Umm, looks like the 18th century french model to me.
Madame Guillotine is trés offended! Though she DOES help you lose around 15 Lbs per cycle...
Pa-leez
You serious, bunch of dudes with RPG's in the backs of Toyota's wearing table cloth's ain't gonna put a dent in shit.
Pop some popcorn, this is gonna be fun
These guys are saying that we should all be selling crude oil calls short: http://www.spadacapital.com/investments/TradeoftheWeek
Go fuck yourself with lutefisk, spammer.
We are broke and can not even think of going to war with IRAN. But this decision has already been made and we are all just on this ride, with no way to get off. pathetic.
We have to learn from North Korea. All those (peace) talks and stalling and they developed a nuclear weapon,” he said. “We are going to send a message, enough is enough, the stalling is over. ... All options are on the table
what do we need to learn?
that now they have the bomb and cant use it?
same problem iran will face?
leave them to their devices i say
let 'em have a bomb they cant and wont use
way better alternative to global thermonuclear war dammit
You didn't even write: SPOILER ALERT
Shameful.
Ruined the surprise for me :(
Now I know that WWIII is coming, I won't enjoy it nearly as much.
Do nuclear airbursts come in different colours? I fancy being taken out by a nice shade of turquoise.
Chartreuse for me. Not! I want to go out in a blinding flash of white light.
I do believe we can accommodate all sorts of colors, chartreuse would be the french. personally I prefer soviet red.
Nuclear Detonation Time line "1945-1998"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk
Kinda like Sarah Connors(nightmare???) in Terminator when she is in the playground???
i try to block out how stupid a species we are
woah triple dupe, so ill just add that i think stoopid humanz are an evolutionary dead-end, a mistake.
and here, ill add that dumb-fcuk spaiens actually disproves darwin; can't have it both ways
yeah... it's all about a nice granite background while being close enough to the flash to burn a shadow in. Work on your dramatic poses and shadow puppets.
Awesome. Now the scene is set for the US feigning ignorance.
You mean the old "Who could have seen this coming" trick?
who needs candles when you have gold and silver!
Shiny!
CONTROLLED MEDIA Declassified Documents Of Israel Lobby Manipulating US Media For Pro-Israel PR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A5BY5ZQlVs
The true leader of the DC Tribe gives a speech to his Congress in May 2011. Watch the treasonous clap monkeys in action...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnq2AXDyry8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NInQMw3wly4
http://www.irmep.org/
AIPAC Opposes IRmep Court Brief Alleging Secrets Trafficking, Foreign Agency and Politician Funding
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is attempting to block a brief filed by Director of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep) Grant F. Smith in the DC Court of Appeals on February 3, 2012. The 78-page IRmep filing asserts "AIPAC has never abandoned its original role as an arm of the Israeli government in the United States." http://www.IRmep.org/ila/rosen
Citing declassified criminal investigations, IRmep underscores the public's interest in the outcome of the case. "AIPAC's observable standard for employees is 'solicit, obtain and leverage classified information without being criminally indicted.' AIPAC is never held publicly accountable for these types of activities which harm governance and public perception of rule of law."
Exhibits include State Department files declassified on January 20, 2012 revealing in detail how former AIPAC Director Morris Amitay endangered US national security when he obtained Department of Defense secrets in 1974. The IRmep brief also analyzes ongoing financial damages from a 1984-1987 incident. The FBI investigated how AIPAC acquired an International Trade Commission report full of still-classified confidential business information... More
AIPAC Obtained Missile Secrets: Declassified State Department files newly relevant
Author Norman F. Dacey made powerful enemies. He turned the cozy estate-planning industry upside-down after publishing How to Avoid Probate in 1965. The book sold 2 million copies as Dacey barnstormed [.pdf] the country advising Americans how to structure their estates to avoid the costs, delays, and publicity of probate by setting up trusts. Dacey engaged in fierce battles with various bar associations who tried to shut down publication of the book by claiming he was practicing law without a license. The tenacious Dacey returned fire, filing scores of libel and First Amendment lawsuits.
Newly declassified U.S. State Department documents reveal a lesser-known but equally intense battle fought by Dacey. The chairman of the American Palestine Committee and close confidant of “Rabbi Outcast” Elmer Berger nearly succeeded in having American Israel Public Affairs (AIPAC) Director Morris Amitay prosecuted for trafficking classified national defense information in the mid-1970s. More Declassified documents
AIPAC Director's Use of Classified Missile Data Harmed National Security - State Department
WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Newly released US Department of State investigation files reveal how the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's (AIPAC) acquisition of classified US national defense information harmed national security. (Web documents) In 1976 the Ford administration proposed selling improved Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Jordan. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee and House Foreign Affairs Committee received a classified Department of Defense notification of sale. AIPAC's Director Morris Amitay reviewed the classified document after being informed "secretly by aides of Senator Clifford P. Case, Republican of New Jersey, and Representative Jonathan B. Bingham, Democrat of New York" according to the New York Times.
Criminal investigation files released on January 20, 2012 confirm the disclosure to AIPAC was "unauthorized" and included the dollar amounts and quantitative configurations of the missile system. The State Department found that "…specific details of Jordan's military equipment needs are information provided us in confidence by that government. The classification of the documents in question was, in our view, substantively proper." More
AIPAC tries to Bamboozle DC Appeals Court: Classified information claims easily debunked
...Rosen’s core legal shortcoming is that he stopped short of deposing former AIPAC legislative director Douglas Bloomfield during defamation suit proceedings. During the 1980s document caper, Bloomfield found the classified trade report so valuable he duplicated it for AIPAC’s use before returning the original by order of the U.S. trade ambassador. For his part, in 2009 Bloomfield defended Rosen in the press during his defamation suit by subtly threatening to reveal how AIPAC functions as a foreign agent of the Israeli government if it didn’t settle up with Rosen as promised. Rosen likewise declined to broadly depose Ester Kurz, who also handled the classified trade report in the 1980s. This would have been unsettling to the lobby, since in 2010 Kurz was still holding a top-level job at AIPAC and even received Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the annual D.C. conference... More Latest court filings
Secret trade report obtained by AIPAC and Israel compromised sensitive US industry secrets
WASHINGTON, Dec 13, 2011 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Following a three year Freedom of Information Act battle, US Trade Ambassador Ron Kirk has been forced to publicly release a secret report about America's first bilateral trade agreement. The 1984 report predicted which US industries would be most harmed by massive trade preferences for Israel.
In 2009 the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep), a Washington nonprofit that works to improve policy formulation, sought public release of the report. The USTR refused. IRmep appealed to an outside review panel arguing that declassified FBI files revealed both the Israeli government and American Israel Public Affairs Committee unlawfully obtained the report in 1984. A declassified FBI investigation uncovered AIPAC's receipt of the report from Israel's Economics Minister, who refused to divulge how he obtained it. IRmep successfully argued that Americans most harmed by the data theft should also have access to the report. More
I could go on and on and on..
But! I dont want to be considered a Nazi? becuase of what Israel is doing to MY COUNTRY!
and I would like to say! Thank!! YOU!!! to the FBI / CIA / NSA for keeping America Safe! from not only Israel but Wall Street, "K" Street and of course all the insider trading Lobby Whores on the Hill as well! BANG UP JOB!! I hope that you scumbags are able to collect on those high paying consulting jobs when you retire! for all your dedicated years of service looking the other fucking way!
even more egregious is the "free pollard" movement and the american politicians like McCain who grovel for Israeli money by supporting efforts to release that POS pollard...
we should put Pollard and DiMona with the Crew of the USS Liberty!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uss+liberty+documentary
I never knew about this until after I started making ZeroHedge an Important Part of my Daily Breakfast Menu!
But I am now a Pickle! I can NEVER! go back to being a cumcumber.. it is too late for me!
So coming here really is a red pill blue pill thing..
that is only if the person has a brain.. I barely made it in, obviously!
But Yeah! Lets hang that treasonous fuck Pollard!
and the Leadership of the FBI / CIA / ATF / NSA and any and all others! who are dedicated to a life time of looking the other way! so that they can enjoy that sweet high paying post retirement consulting gig on Wall Street with the Virmen!
Don’t miss Newt Gingrich Selling out America! over Jonathan Pollard! LULZ! gotta keep the Money Man Happy! or the Money man will not be able to be reimbursed for all his Newt receipts from the State of Israel!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIxN0mjjME
"He Sold Secrets to Israel. Israel Gave them to the Soviet Union"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t_tDJ5bMrQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_aGnuI9vA
I agree.. People have this unconditional support for Israhell and they don't even know why. And if they do have a reason, it's just regurgitated propaganda from the nightly news or their preacher or loud-mouthed neo-con friend.. How pathetic..
Rachel Corrie The Girl with DREAMS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96kIhJgZBV4
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
She lived for her dreams and she died for them!
Rachel Corrie was a 23-year old American peace activist who was run over and killed by an Israeli on a bulldozer, on March 16, 2003 in Nablus, Palestine. Corrie was protesting Israel's systematic destruction of Palestinian homes. http://www.israelvworld.com
I will NEVER! Forget! Rachel Corrie. God Rest Her Soul! God Love Her and God Bless Her! in Jesus Christ Name I Pray!
"The only trade off - will the spike in crude to $150 outdo the surge in Obama's popularity rating as the Nobel Peace Prize winner puts his name in the hat for a nomination in the Nobel War Prize category as well."
Well.....Nobel DID invent TNT afterall.....
No, he didn´t. He invented dynamite.
You're right.
By the way....I have this nit on my ass....mind if you pick it off?
But it was Jimmy "J.J." Walker who invented "dyn-o-mite!"
Oy. I thought it was AC/DC.
But the Israelis sure as hell will expect Americans to get involved and do the heavy lifting afterwards. Send your kids to die for Israel, stupid Americans!
Of course they will.. It feels good to kill brown people.. especially if you have a good reason like helping out the "eternal victim" otherwise known as "the Jew" .. Nevermind they'd spit on your face if they didn't need you.. and sometimes even when they do..
Call me a noob all you want, but what the fuck makes Israel so special?
Their political policy seems to entail crying and whining like a bitch until rich daddy USA shows up.
Honest though, are these reasons mostly economic, for oil ultimately? At all under the guise of ideological conflict?
In a sense, this could be lulz. How awesome (in a morbid way) that one could wake up and go to work on a Wdnesday afternoon, and when you ot there, someone would shout out, "Israel just bombed Iran!".
Cue WWIII......but everyone back to fucking work!
Funny thing is, I bet the DOW would still be up on the day in this bullshit market.
Totally awesome! And totally plausible.
In fact, on 9/11, I was working at a company about 50 miles from Shanksville, Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where the one hijacked plane headed toward Washington D.C. was allegedly was brought down. (I say "allegedly", because townspeople who arrived on the scene saw no hint of an airplane that had just crash-landed. No luggage. No plane debris. No nothing. But I digress.)
Well, the manager of the company where I worked made us STAY ALL DAY, even though it wasn't clear precisely what happened, or if the events of the day had concluded. I didn't leave work until after 3 p.m. Eastern time that day, and faced a 30-mile lonely ride to my partner's house.
Thus, we may get such news delivered to us at our job, be required to stay on our job, and merrily gaze at the Dow rocketing up triple-digits in the meantime.
God Bless Amerikkka!
Fuck that shit. The minute I hear that Israel bombed Iran, I'm signing off my terminal, getting my briefcase together, and walking the fuck out to drive home.
You have a briefcase?
I thought I was lucky having a lunchbag....
"Israel keeping the US in the dark about military ops"
Somehow I doubt that. More like deniable plausibility.
You got it. It's total bullshit cover so the US doesn't have to look like the aggressor, even though everyone knows it is.
The state of Iran commits aggression every day against its own people.
What makes the US an "aggressor"? I view it as more of a rescuer.
The US government commits acts of aggression everyday against its own people. Maybe you'll get lucky and China will bomb you for your freedom.
>The US government commits acts of aggression everyday against its own people
Of course in a nation with hundreds of millions of citizens, there are acts of abuse. There are mistakes.
But you are making a serious error in equating the USA, one of the most economically free countries in the world, with Iran, one of the most backwards and oppressive. Why worry about a splinter in one eye when there is a log in your other one?
Your pedantry may be a good theoretical tool. But it cannot decide for you what course to choose in practice. To do that, you must employ the art of thymology.
I find this point of view from you a bit surprising, Doc, having been a fan of your various free-market posts, I'd have thought you'd be a little more sceptical of the US' claims to be some kind of exemplar of freedom or well-treatment of its own people.
The US has more than twice Iran's incarceration rate (743/100,000 vs 333). And although Iran has a far higher execution rate (33.5 / 10M vs 1,5), when it comes to killing people overall, the US is a clear 'winner'... or do foreigners not really count?
Free markets require protection and arbitration services to function smoothly. I know USA is not perfect - no organization or person is. But, effectively as a shareholder in its government, I advocate using its protection services (arguably its most legitimate function) to move us toward a peaceful world organized by division of labor and voluntary exchange. I see no reason to be ashamed of pursuing moral means, like intervening in Iran, towards this end. I see no reason to restrict the protection services provided by the US government to a the geographical area of USA.
As von Mises states in Human Action.
"The military events of both World Wars have proved anew that the capitalistic countries are paramount also in armaments production... Where capitalistic entrepreneurship is allowed to function freely, the fighting forces will always be so well equipped that the biggest armies of the backward peoples will be no match for them. There has even been great exaggeration of the danger of making the formulas for manufacturing “secret” weapons universally known. If war comes again, the searching mind of the capitalistic world will always have a head start on the peoples who merely copy and imitate clumsily.
The peoples who have developed the system of the market economy and cling to it are in every respect superior to all other peoples. The fact that they are eager to preserve peace is not a mark of their weakness and inability to wage war. They love peace because they know that armed conflicts are pernicious and disintegrate the social division of labor. But if war becomes unavoidable, they show their superior efficiency in military affairs too. They repel the barbarian aggressors whatever their numbers may be."
I would sum up this observation by Mises as admitting that Rothbard was right.
Relying upon criminal protection services to obtain moral outcomes is wholly incoherent. That you would consider a new war to "save Iranians" be a moral affair, to me, is shocking. Not to mention, extremely immature.
Private property requires protection and arbitration services- big difference. If you read, "The last Knight of liberalism" you get a much better understanding of Mises's ideas on the wastefulness of war and the need for defense versus offensive actions. The Free Market needs no protection except from intervention and war is an intervention.
That free market economies are better producers than others is obvious from Mise's writings, but your comments carry that concept beyond its' specific meaning.
To be consistent, intervention in Iran is just that. All the Iranians need to do is withdraw their support and the mullahs will fall. Considering the current police state in America and our unwillingness to stand up to our tyrants, I see no reason to kill more brown people for an ideal we refuse to put in place in America.
Perfect display of intellectual rubbish. Milestones
Superior to all other peoples? Lol. That's the kind of nonsense that gives birth to a deluded sense of exceptionalism, and all of the related atrocities that follow in its narcisstic wake.
I was surprised as well. That someone this well versed in Mises and Rothbard would engage in discussing the moral relativism of abstract collectives confuses me.
"I was surprised as well. That someone this well versed in Mises and Rothbard would engage in discussing the moral relativism of abstract collectives confuses me."
Even Rothbard's private, entrepeneurial providers of security and arbitration services would need to employ some kind of calculus in determining which groups to use force against and which penalties can be justifiably exacted. The calculations of these entrepeneurs would of course be aimed at financial gains, while retaining a reputation for justice and fairness.
However, we do not at present have such entrepeneurs competing to refine their methods of calculation. We must do the best with what we have at hand.
All true except for the conclusion, IMO. As prudent consumers we must avoid false providers of services so that the lack of them becomes apparent to most, and the opportunity is filled by a true provider.
By promoting fraud, you destroy the opportunity for entrepreneurship.
I suggest you stop using the Internet, as it was created by the US military; i.e. it's a product of extortion.
Do not drive on public roads, also a product of crime. Do not eat foods inspected by the criminal FDA.
With maturity you will see the folly of your dogmatism. The real world is full of acts of coercion and violence. The path toward a more peaceful world is long and arduous; there is no magic wand. The teachings of von Mises and Rothbard, not to mention Hoppe, are simply too large a cognitive pill for most to digest.
Where free markets are not immediately possible, we must do the best we practically can: as citizens we are essentially members of central planning board who can only seek to emulate the actions of the entrepeneurs because we are hampered by a lack of information regarding financial gains and losses. I believe even Rothbard would agree that national defense services are the most legitimate function of government, and I am not ashamed to use them any more than I am ashamed of driving on the roads.
That is a terrible argument. I never buy internet services from the government or the military nor drive on government owned roads nor eat government supplied food. If government exists at the pleasure of the People, it is the people that own the roads. It is the people that inspect the food. Private business provides the internet.
These items would all exist, regardless of government intervention. The world is full of acts of coercion because we have governments and governments all employ the police power of the state.
When a people live so long without liberty, they lose the knowledge of it. Especially if entertained and bribed. However, there will always be people that never forget what liberty is. If liberty completely disappears, it will be invented- because it is the natural state of all creatures. It is only man that denies liberty. Therefore, it is education that is required.
Rothbard did not agree with national defense forces. Rothbard believed all services provided by government could be provided by the private sector. Read "Anarchy and the Law "by Stringham, Page 23, top two paragraphs. Rothbard is very clear.
I believe even Rothbard would agree that national defense services are the most legitimate function of government..
I'm going to accuse you of twisting what Rothbard was talking about. He was talking about "national defense services" with an emphasis on defense. What you were advocating in your original post was using that "defense" apparatus to mount a expedition halfway across the globe to unshackle people from a government that you dislike. I would say you have more in common with Woodrow Wilson and Bill Clinton than Rothbard and Mises.
Dr. Acula, stop trying to word fuck us to death.. Really... 85% of the people here see right through it.. Go back the the Huffington Post and impress the pseudo intellects there.
So, in a nutshell: Intervention is "justifiable" when the ownership class determines it's profitable enough. I'm sure that'll end well.
"Entrepreneurial providers of security and arbitration services"... whatta douchebag.
If we were fortunate enough to live in a world with entrepreneurial providers of security and arbitration services I wouldn't be forced to pay for the "defense" of Israel.
Iran IS a prison, not one of the 74 million can worship as they please, write a frank letter to an editor, or leave on demand. That makes their incarceration rate 100%. The USA may be way fucked up in a lot of ways but at least I can give Obama the bird without landing in jail and I can split any time I feel like it. Anyone claiming otherwise as to Iranian freedom is flat out full of shit!
Come on Boil. In Amerika you can write frank letters all day to the newspaper editor, your congress-critters, etc. and they'll just round-file every single frank letter you send them. Appearently opposition to the 2008 bank bailouts was overwhelming. The point is the people have no voice. If you want to write a bullshit letter, then yes, it will get published. So, how is our system an improvement?
Because we have better newspapers and that's why the Iranians need to get bombed!!?
We have as a rule, horrible, toady, dumbed-down, Israeli-ass-kissing newspapers in Amreika that never rock the boat or the corporate overlords will send the offending party packing.
So no, BoiltheRich, you reveal your ignorance with your stupid claims like - we need to kill Iranians because dual-citizens feel we have better newspapers.
Iran is a nightmare of dark age theocratic death worship, not that I give a rats ass what goes on inside that shit hole or any other as long as it does not spill out on the rest of the world. I do not care what motivates them, I do not care if the people choose to live in that hellish environment, it is their choice. When they threaten, no, PROMISE to take it over the border to people they hate for ancient slights real or imagined, or just greatly exaggerated, well then I got a problem with them.
I am no big fan of Israel either, we need to stop treating them with kid gloves and cut off the welfare gravy train to them as well. At the very least least till they return to 1948 borders and assent to treating their neighbors like human beings.
If Iran were a technically backward theocracy and tribal hellhole like Somalia they would be an annoying nuisance to regional shipping but not much more, but unfortunately as medieval and hate filled as they are they also have the technical ability to build weapons of mass destruction and they threaten DAILY to use them against their "enemies" the US and Israel. And it simply does not matter or even register on TPTB what our opinions of the ME are in relation to either Israel or WMD, Iran is not going to be permitted to build nuclear weapons, that is a fact you can attempt to dispute but it is still a fact and further discussion on that point is fucking futile.
There are even posters here that deny Iran is seeking a bomb with childlike stubbornness, there cannot really be discourse or effective argument with people who petulantly refuse to even admit what is obvious to real adults. Reality check, there are more than two sides to all this, it is a dynamic and fluid situation which can get badly out of control, and the best way to make certain it does get out of control is to pander to and appease the Mullahs, to deny that they are even playing their geopolitical game. No serious intelligent grown up holds the position that Iran is not seeking nuclear weapons, they might quibble of possible timelines and delivery capabilities and such, but there is no serious discussion of WHETHER Iran is building that capability, and I am not getting dragged into another specious argument about that again.
I personally think Iran is making a wager that if their nuclear bomb work does provoke an attack from Israel or the USA it will be to their advantage in the end because they think it would galvanize Arab positions against us, and they fancy embargoes of oil and another brush war pitting Arab militaries against the IDF, but the truth is the Arabs and other islamic nations in the region are quietly desperate to have the USA and/or Israel stop Iran from acquiring a functioning nuke. They do not want Iran to have the bomb even more than the USA or EU.
What kind of dog bit you? I've really seen such a rabid screed. I believe you waited too long. The shots won't help now.
You call people stupid and put words in my mouth and attack me with spurious arguments and have the brass balls to say I reveal MY ignorance? That's rich fuckface. See, two people can call each other names and now we never again have to worry about communications because there will not be any. And thus all you have to say about the subject of war and Iran will just be so much splooge emitting masturbation upon pages nobody cares about, if they did reach out to you enough to try to talk to you the result is you call them names and they go away. Bye Bye, I ain't taking the time to even bother with this bullshit again, Iran is toast at least in part because you all who think you are defending their right to have nuclear weapons. And I am OK with that as well because I would rather humanity close the book on history than go back to the backward shitstained hell of theocratic slavery we came from as Iran has chosen to do.
boiltherich was starting to boil over when he said:
Tell that to the Jews who call Iran their home:
They also refused to be bribed by the Israeli government to move there from Iran:
so the world needs to rescue the iranian people now too... sure thing man. but tell me, who the hell rescues the american people from the banker fascists who took control of the U.S. government?
Bingo! Milestones
What makes the US an "aggressor"? I view it as more of a rescuer.
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Yes, sure.
He who makes life worse is a rescuer.
US citizens rescued Iraq. US citizens rescued Libya.
Classical US citizenism: introducing extortion as being done to the benefit of the extorted and through the sacrifice of the extorter.
But hey, it is self justifying.
Libya government was guilty for doing stuff on its own people. Well, as US citizens worsen the situation of people from different governments, it is all okay.
The aggravating violence is not exerted on the government's own people.
US Citizenism! It's like silver - that shit is everywhere, man!
That is right. US citizenism has pervaded everywhere.
US citizenism is the dominant and most wide spread mindset accross the world.
Very often, US citizens like to tell that or that set of beliefs is the fastest growing in the world.
When is the last time they list Americanism to compare to others?
Do US citizens even report about the spread of US citizenism?
Please explain the term "CitizenISM" I've seen it posted several times and the more I read it and how it is used, the more confused I get.
Please---tell me the magic of this non-word. Milestones
I'll second you Milestones. I've seen AnAnon mongering his version of verbal poo all over the site, and he seems to think that "US Citizenism" is either A) a real word or concept or B) something that doesn't make him sound like a total F-ing idiot who nobody has the slightest idea what he's talking about. I love the different and unorthodox views around here. His complaints against the US could be made to much better effect by someone else.
How much are you paid to write that trash?
I think it's more likely that Israel doesn't trust Obama and his admistration with that information.
You're working under the assumption that Obama calls the shots. When it comes to protecting the petro dollar my guess is that he answers to a higher authority.
Puppets don't answer to anybody. They do whatever the hand up their ass commands.
You obey the dudes with the suitcase bombs all over the USA. It's the first briefing every Prez gets. 'Oh....OH....oh,....uh....OK.'
Makes more sense now, no? Just protection, nothing personal.
Looks like the Iran "Scare" is over.
UGA hit a high on Friday and has been going down ever since.
Most retail stocks are not even flinching.
Seems like we would be seeing chain-selling right now in retail names across the board if there was a war looming in the Middle East.
But the "Dip - Buying Monkeys" are out in full force today.
Junker stocks like Office Depot getting dryhumped today.
Gold is out performing the market by .50% Silver is out performing the market by 1.33%
Max option pain on all these turd retailers you love are close to 15% over bought.
That aint new money coming in.
something has to snap soon...
Well they got the price of oil back over a $100, no more rhetoric necessary...
"UGA hit a high on Friday and has been going down ever since."
Bet it is front running margin increases
who is scared? certainly not the oil bulls..............
Looks like a good time to go buy some chips and sour cream...
iBomb
i'll just leave this here.
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Why would Israel trust the current administration?
Why should the USA trust or bankroll that criminal nation of parasites?!? Israel is the absolutely worst "ally" the USA could have. Israel is nothing but a criminal front for the Rothschilds and their ilk.
If Israel attacks Iran, they should be attacked and destroyed from all sides!
besides, really not accurate to refer to your overlords (Israel) as an ally...
Obama is a disciple of zbigniew brzezinski and the CFR. Despite his rhetoric he is a zionist. The most recent issue of the CFR publication, Foreign Affairs, stated that it is time to attack Iran and that this is the best policy. It may cost him the election, but Obama will obey those who put him in power.
Not all globalists are crooks and idiots: Brzezinski opposes the IranWar. Has stated it will be a "catastrophe".
That, in and of itself, is amazing, since Brzezinski has always been a gung-ho interventionist. The fact that he opposes an attack on Iran tells me that the consequences for Israel and the US would likely be worse than we could imagine.
Agreed, One State of Emergency be it financial or war, Obama declares COG and he doesn't go anywhere till it's lifted, = Dick-Tater.
even if obama is not re-elected, should the world still turn, he can join bill and tony on the speechify circuit, and sit his ass on many, many corporate boards for monies. . . everyone knows it is the post-figurehead position that's the most lucrative. . .
Why would Israel trust the current administration?
I dunno.... Oh, maybe because they plan to fly over US-controlled airspace to attack Iran?
.....and will not take any more money from the U.S. taxpayers credit card. No three and a half billion gift, no more loans and no more loan forgiveness.
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There is no upside to Israel attacking Iran. They can't sustain the necessary bombing campaign to knock the Iranian nuclear threat back more than a year or so. If even that. Without America onboard launching attacks for at least a few days, then this is just stupid.