Israel's Iran Strike Routes

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The jury is still out whether Israel will or will not attack Iran, despite the endless and relentless (dis)information in the media from all sides, and certainly when such an attack might happen, but if it did take place, these are all the logistically possible formats what an airborne attack could look like.

Via Stratfor:

A unilateral strike on the Iranian nuclear program is not Israel's preferred option. However, if Israel does decide to proceed with the mission unilaterally, the different routes the strike package could take each pose unique challenges. Currently, the Israeli air force has three principal routes to its targets in Iran. The first route involves flying northward over the eastern Mediterranean Sea between Cyprus and Syria, and then proceeding eastward along the Turkey-Syria border, flying through northern Iraq and into Iran. This route circumvents Syria's air defense network, which was built to cover its western flank against an Israeli air attack. The second route is the shortest and involves flying directly over Jordan and Iraq to reach Iran. Due to the shorter distance, the likelihood that Jordan could be deterred from interfering with the strike package, and the absence of any viable Iraqi air defense, this route probably poses the least risk. The third route goes through northern Saudi Arabia, over the Persian Gulf and into Iran. While most of Saudi Arabia's air defenses and air bases are oriented toward the Persian Gulf and the main cities to the south, Israeli planes would almost certainly be detected, especially since they would have to fly near Tabuk's air base. If Riyadh did choose to intercept the Israeli aircraft, the Israeli air force would face serious complications because Saudi Arabia has a large number of advanced interceptor aircraft. As the war in Syria intensifies, another route may become viable. Rebel operations have already negatively affected the Syrian regime's air defenses somewhat. If this trend intensifies, the country's air defense network may be degraded to the extent that the Israeli air force would be able to fly directly over Syria without undue risk to its aircraft.

Of course, if the US were to engage alongside Israel, presidential elections notwithstanding, and the numerous US aircraft carriers stationed in the Gulf and the Arabian Sea were to participate in any offensive, then all predictive bets are off. One thing is certain: it is, at least in Israel's view, that the window of attack is rapidly closing, which may explain why crude is once again trading on edge every single day, and why gas at the pump, has once again never been more expensive on this day in history, a fact which the Romney camp will certainly hone in on soon to quite soon.

Courtesy of Not_Jim_Cramer

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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:23 | 2727682 Abraxas
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War criminals!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:29 | 2727708 Gully Foyle
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For those who choose to read about complex problems instead of Twitter length answers.

Russia and Chian are holding up the plan.

I guess they wish to remain soverign nations.

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/21/the-south-gathers-in-tehran/

August 21, 2012
A Strange Place The South Gathers in Tehran by VIJAY PRASHAD

Tomorrow, perhaps, the future.

– W. H. Auden.

Next week, representatives from one hundred and eighteen of the world’s one hundred and ninety two states will gather in Tehran, Iran for the 16th Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) summit. Created in 1961, the NAM was a crucial platform for the Third World Project (whose history I detail in The Darker Nations). It was formed to purge the majority of the world from the toxic Cold War and from the mal-development pushed by the World Bank. After two decades of useful institution-building, the NAM was suffocated by the enforced debt crisis of the 1980s. It has since gasped along. In the corners of the NAM meetings, delegates mutter about the arrogance of the North, particularly the US, whose track record over the past few decades has been pretty abysmal. Reagan’s dismissal of the problems of the South at the 1981 Cancún Summit on the North-South Dialogue still raises eyebrows, and Bush’s cowboy sensibility still earns a few chuckles. But apart from these cheap thrills, little of value comes out of the NAM. Until the last decade there have been few attempts to create an ideological and institutional alternative to neoliberalism or to unipolar imperialism.

With the arrival of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) in the past few years, the mood has lifted. The much more assertive presence of the BRICS inside the NAM and in the United Nations has raised hopes that US and European intransigence will no longer determine the destiny of the world. At the 14th NAM summit in Cuba (2006), the world seemed lighter. Chávez’s jokes went down well; Castro was greeted as a titan. This seemed like the old days, or at least Delhi in 1983.

NAM summits typically go by without fanfare. The Atlantic media rarely notices its presence. But this year, because the summit is to be held in Tehran, eyebrows have been raised. The US State Department’s Victoria Nuland hastened to condemn the location, “a strange place and an inappropriate place for this meeting…Our point is simply that Tehran, given its number of grave violations of international law and UN obligations, does not seem to be the appropriate place” for the NAM summit. The US government is particularly chafed that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is making his pilgrimage to the NAM (the Secretary General has attended every NAM summit since 1961, when Dag Hammarskjöld left Belgrade to his death over African skies). Nuland notes that the US has expressed its “concern” to Ban. Israel’s Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was plainer, “Mr. Secretary-General, your place is not in Tehran.”

Bombs Over Tehran 

Israel has been playing a peculiar game these past few months. Netanyahu and his coterie are the mirror image of the clownish behavior of Iran’s President Ahmedinejad: both have a fulsome sense of themselves, preening before cameras with bluster. Sensational bulletins come from their mouths. The fear is that Netanyahu is playing chicken with the US. He wants to either bait President Obama to ratchet up the sanctions and fire off one or two missiles, or else to let loose his own hawks, flying twice the distance that they flew to Osirak in 1982 to bomb Bushehr now. Netanyahu’s pressure startled his own President, Shimon Peres, who hastened to note, “It is clear that we cannot do this single-handedly and that we must co-ordinate with America.” All this is a game of Chinese whispers, with so little clarity about what anyone is actually saying, and a great deal of anxiety about the exaggerations that have overwhelmed any capacity for mature discussion.

The US seems to want time for the new sanctions regime to take effect. In March, Iranian banks were disconnected from the SWIFT network that enables electronic financial transactions. Pressure on countries that import Iranian oil were stepped up, as the US and Europeans threatened to take action against those who did not follow their own sanctions regime (which are much harsher than the various United Nations resolutions that run from 1696, from 2006, to 1929, from 2010). Iran’s Central Bank has pointed to a deep decline in the share of Iranian exports – and concomitantly, a perilous position for its population. What seems not to be on the radar of those who create these sanctions regimes is that they rarely turn the population against its government. In Iran, it might actually be detrimental to the reform movement. Washington fulminates about autocracy in Iran and the bomb, but it does not realize that for most Iranians (44% of whom live in slums), the core problem is of livelihood and well-being.

India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be in Tehran. He will meet Ahmedinejad, and talk to him about India’s attempt to circumvent the sanctions regime. Between 10 and 12 percent of India’s oil needs are furnished by Iran. There has been an attempt to switch to the Saudi supply, but this is much easier to talk about than to do. The problem for India and Iran has been over payments, since India cannot pay Iran for the oil. Iran has therefore agreed to accept 45 percent of its oil receipts in Indian rupees, within India, and to use this money to buy Indian goods to import into Iran. Delegations from the business sector have gone back and forth to find things to sell the Iranians. But problems persist: the sanctions regime has made it near impossible for Indian tankers to get insurance for their journey to Iran. Nonetheless, the Indian business lobby estimates that bilateral trade between the two countries will rise from $13.5 billion to $30 billion by 2015.

Manmohan Singh and Ahmedinejad’s tête-à-tête will also touch on the Indian investments at the Chabahar port in southeastern Iran, which has been used to bring Indian goods into Iran and to bring 100,000 tons of wheat to Afghanistan. India and Iran have invested heavily in Afghanistan, and both have a common interest in making sure that the Taliban does not return to power in Kabul. Here one would imagine that the US might see eye-to-eye with these old allies, but Washington’s obsessive blinkers make it impossible to be proper diplomats. It has been a long-standing US aim to break the link between India and Iran, two stalwarts in the NAM. Next week, New Delhi and Tehran will reinforce their fragile ties. Manmohan Singh will not make any grand gesture. This is not his temperament. Nonetheless, economic realities and the accidents of geography make the relationship necessary. This is unfathomable to Washington.

Blood of Syria

The last time the NAM suffered a major political split was when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (1979). The bulk of the members wanted to condemn the invasion, while a few of the more influential (Algeria, India, Iraq) refused to go along. It damaged NAM’s credibility. This year, it is Syria that poses the dilemma.

In May, at Sharm el-Sheikh, within sight of Mubarak’s hospital incarceration, the NAM coordinating bureau ministerial meeting tried to put together a resolution on Syria. The Saudis and Qataris wanted a strong condemnation of the regime, but the Syrians, who remain as NAM members, took exception to the draft. The final document was anodyne, calling for the success of former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan’s Six Point Plan. Annan has quit. In his place has come the seasoned Algerian diplomat and UN bureaucrat, Lakhdar Brahimi who is no stranger to the NAM circuit. Brahimi knows a lot about conflict, having recently been the UN’s man in Afghanistan and Iraq, and having been the broker to the Taef Agreement (1989) which suspended the Lebanese civil war.

Brahimi role will be difficult. Cynicism tears at Syria’s future. Most discussion on Syria comes at it from its geopolitics: what will be the impact of the fall of Assad’s regime for US power or Gulf Arab power in the region? Will this have a detrimental impact on Hezbollah, on the Palestinians, on the Iranians? These are valuable questions, but they obscure the much more basic class question posed by the uprising in Syria: what is best for the Syrian people? There is little argument that Assad’s regime governs with one hand clothed in the military’s iron and the other morphed into a credit card for the kleptocratic neoliberal elite. There is also little argument that the Assad regime’s brutality toward its population has a long history, most notably during the first eleven months of the 2011 uprising when the people in their coordination committees chanted silmiyyeh, silmiyyeh (peaceful, peaceful) as Assad’s tanks roared into their midst. The correct handling of the contradictions should lead one to full support for the freedom of the Syrian people, which has come to mean two things: the end of the Assad regime and the retraction of the hand of the US, the Gulf Arabs and the Russians. But Brahimi will not be able to move an agenda as long as the Syrian peoples’ needs are not at the center of things.

It is also why the NAM will not be able to act effectively vis-à-vis Syria. One NAM delegation to Moscow and another to Riyadh-Doha asking for a suspension of weaponry and a cooling down of the rhetoric would have a marked impact on Assad and his beleaguered circle. This is not on the cards.

Leadership has now fallen on Egypt’s new president, Mohamed Morsi. At the Organization of Islamic Cooperation meeting in Mecca this month, the fifty-seven states expelled Syria. This followed a resolution put forward by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Only Iran’s Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi cautioned the group not to act in haste. He tried to take shelter in Assad’s pronouncements about elections and reforms, none of this meaningful any longer. Salehi and the Iranians are plainly worried about the dynamic of history shifting to the advantage of the Gulf Arabs. This has colored their view of the Syrian conflict. Egypt built a small bridge to Tehran in the OIS meeting. Morsi proposed the creation of a Contact Group, which would include Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. This was welcomed by all sides. A few days later at a ministerial meeting in Jeddah, Iran’s Salehi met with Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohammed Amr to draw out the implications of this Contact Group. Iran’s foreign ministry spokesperson Rahim Mehmanparast said that the Contact Group would be a mechanism to “review and follow up on [regional] issues so that peace would be established in the region.” Nothing concrete has been achieved till now, but all indications are that Egypt will use the NAM process to find a way between the hard lines on both sides.

Egypt and Iran broke their ties after the 1979 Islamic Republic was formed. But after the ouster of Mubarak, small gestures brought the countries into communication. The Egyptians allowed an Iranian frigate to go through the Suez Canal (the first since 1978). Iran welcomed the Arab Spring in North Africa as an “Islamic Awakening,” and hoped for a rapprochement with the new Muslim Brotherhood politicians of the region. The Qataris and Saudis also had such hopes, and these are antagonistic to Iran. Qatar’s Emir Hamad bin Khalifa met for an iftar dinner last week, where the Qataris pledged $2 billion in assistance (a rumor floated around that the Qataris wanted to lease the Suez Canal, perhaps to prevent passage to those Iranian frigates). Morsi welcomed Iran’s Vice President Hamed Baqai a few weeks before the Qatari visit, accepting the invitation to come to Tehran for the NAM meeting and hand over the Chair from Egypt to Iran in person. At the OIS meeting, Morsi and Ahmedinejad were seen to speak for a considerable period. It is likely that Morsi would like to fashion himself as the non-aligned voice between Iran and the Gulf Arabs, and to provide Brahimi with the kind of policy space he will require.

Morsi has a complex itinerary. He will go to Tehran via Beijing. Between a conclave with Hu Jintao and then later with Manmohan Singh, between discussions with the Gulf Arabs and the Iranians, Morsi’s gestures suggest an affinity with the kind of multipolar foreign policy developed by the BRICS countries.

The tea leaves are hard to read. The top issues on the NAM agenda are Iran and Syria. One is about a war that Israel itches to start, and the other is about a war that the Assad regime is conducting against the Syrian people. The very fact that the NAM summit is taking place in Tehran shows that there remains support for Iran against any precipitous action. If Morsi’s Contact Group can be pressured within the NAM to take a strong class position on Syria and not hide behind the cynicism of geopolitics, then this NAM will be seen as a historical summit.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:32 | 2727730 ParkAveFlasher
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can i haz twttr fo dis?  2 longgg

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:53 | 2727804 LongSoupLine
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exactly ParkAve...plus, what does any of this have to do with AAPL?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:04 | 2728349 Bicycle Repairman
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Whichever route they take the Israelis will refuel just outside of the Iranian border.  But for the sake of stealthiness let me posit two other routes.  Straight from Georgia and straight from Qatar.

Expect surprise.  The Israeli's always insist on it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:06 | 2728358 Bicycle Repairman
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Also expect their German-made submarines to be a major source of firepower.  Especially if their Air Force cannot deliver the goods.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:44 | 2728674 boogerbently
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They are going to drop bombs on Iran.....Syria's ally and supporter. Do you think Israel gives a $hit about their "air space"?

Israel will attack before the election for the stated reasons AND because IRAN can't be on two fronts....supporting Syria and themselves. The US can't help in Syria and anger Russia and China, so we will cut off Syrian support by Iran by having Israel attack them. The muslim in chief needs Jewish support to win re-election.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:03 | 2728717 phyuckyiu
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Israel can't do shit by themselves, it's quite obvious. I bet they can't sleep at night knowing they are still our bitch after all the money they spent buying our politicians. I'm sure Sheldon Adelson will spend $300 million trying to correct that. Should be interesting to watch the Sunburns head towards Dimona/US aircraft carriers. Have fun with the Mach 2.5 scramjets.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:37 | 2728917 NemoDeNovo
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Um....from my view point [Gulf War Vet] WE seems to be Israel's Bitch, I mena how much Money and Militray hardware do we give them EVERY YEAR????  Just sayin......

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:43 | 2728925 phyuckyiu
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No question we dance to the fiddle, i'm with ya 100%, but this president seems determined to put himself before Israel, a fatal sin that Adelson will correct.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:20 | 2729257 FreeSlave
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Planned war on Iran and the General who said No!

 

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/08/22/257558/iran-war-and-the-general...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:54 | 2727807 Dalago
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These are the two think tanks projects that are unfolding now:

 

Project for the new American Century

and

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:08 | 2727870 ArrestBobRubin
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Search "Oded Yinon" and you'll see where those 2 shit shows came from

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:50 | 2728035 Disenchanted
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"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern frontIraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run, it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel.

 

"An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and Lebanon.

 

"In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul and Shiite areas in the South will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north."

 

Oded Yinon - published in 1982 by the World Zionist Organisation’s publication Kivunim

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:21 | 2728079 Michael
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All that plutonium contaminating Israel will make Japan look like an eco-sanctuary.

Israel to Shut Down Dimona Nuclear Reactor Should War Break Out

IDF and the IAEC prepared for possibility of an attempted attack on the reactors during a conflict with Iran, Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon or Hamas and other Palestinian organizations in Gaza. Nuclear activity at the reactors at Dimona and Nahal Sorek will desist should missiles attack Israel's home front. The aim of such nuclear stoppage would be to prevent damage to the reactors' outlying area, should missiles penetrate the facilities' defense shields. A decision for such a stoppage was reached by the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, in coordination with the IDF Home Front Command. The working assumption shared by the Home Front Command and the IAEC management officials responsible for the two reactors is that the multilayered defense systems, which feature anti-missile missiles calibrated to intercept missiles at various heights, along with fortified installations, should be sufficiently effective to minimize damage in an attack against the reactors. Nonetheless, in principle any defense system can be penetrated. For this reason, nuclear activity in the reactors will be halted should warnings come of impending war. This stoppage procedure could also be applied in non-war periods of escalated skirmishes that involve rocket attacks against Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-to-shut-down-dimona-nuclear-reactor-should-war-break-out-1.405151

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFbKJxYVirs

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM21DU_J7co&feature=relmfu

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC0iGk5nwXM&feature=relmfu

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buB8QiBuHmo&feature=relmfu

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugDwHCzbjBI&feature=relmfu

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:39 | 2728241 sushi
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Sperm studies (I kid you not) show a declining sperm count in Israeli males. This is already greatly reducing conception rates and is projected to continue to decline further. The forecast is that by 2020 Israeli males may no longer be able to assist in procreation.

 

The cause?

Is believed to be associated with the tetrogentiy of the Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions used in the last Israeli attack on Lebanon. Since all young males serve in the armed forces a large number of them have been exposed. The same problem is emerging in Iraq where much greater quantities of DU munitions were employed. Conception rates decline, viable births decline, genetic deformity rises.

DU is used as it is heavy. It is formed into a solid shaft which is contained within a sabot round. When it hits an armoured target the DU burns and therefore forms a self sharpening tip. Plus the heavy weight of the projectile assists penetration. The problem is that the impact results in clouds of pulverized DU which contaiminate the ground for long periods and are also carried on the winds.

Nobody wants to report this because to do so requires accepting responsibilty for the outcomes in the civilian population. It is agent orange all over again but with much worse and longer lasting effects.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:19 | 2728834 greyghost
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sperm problems? couldn't be all the inbreeding among jews? look at romney's three sons that can't get a good sperm count. inbreeding among mormons? am not talking incest or any of that shit......just not a large enough gene pool to start with and keeping it just in that small narrow gene pool.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:36 | 2729099 mjcOH1
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Sperm counts are declining worldwide.   But let's not confuse the debate with a dose of reality, aye.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:21 | 2727982 Disenchanted
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Project for a New American Century (PNAC) is basically now operating under a new name...Foreign Policy Initiative

 

Sort of like Blackwater/XE/Academi


Blackwater 3.0: Rebranded ‘Academi’ Wants Back in Iraq
Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:36 | 2728654 Chief KnocAHoma
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Iran and Israel are acting like two tough guy wanna bes mouthing off in a bar. The crowd seperates them and their shouts become louder and their actions more provocative.

Take the crowd away and they would be standing face to face, each scared to fight.

Plus I'mANutJob can stand across the desert and stick his tongue out at the Jews knowing full well their planes can't cross any of that area between them. The Saudis, Iraqis, Turks don't want a fight.... they want I'mANutJob to keep screaming because each time he does oil goes up in price. Cha CHing! Just like most everything else in this World... "Luke...Follow the money."

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:39 | 2729104 mjcOH1
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I'm pretty sure the only thing detering Israel in this case is concern about resupply and who'll bitch due to the prevailing winds.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:33 | 2727735 john39
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simply put... the worldwide support for the NAM summit, in Tehran, shows that the most of the world is wise to the game played by the banker owned NATO/Israel cabal... 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:49 | 2727788 magpie
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It's a diplomatic disaster for the USA of the highest order... the Grand Alliance on the Asian chessboard, additonally its own European allies (except Poland) completely bankrupt, its Asian ones caught in a stupid game of tag with each other and Turkey about to enter the meat grinder.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:49 | 2727791 ParkAveFlasher
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Thanks.  Feel like I'm back in my northern NJ high school, copying homework.  Great education, indeed.

I agree with this and one has to remember that the wealthy families of India, China, Africa, and the ME have been wealthy for time immemorial.  There is nothing new under the sun.

16 barrels of oil to an ounce of pure gold.  This is the ultimate price fix at work in human society. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:50 | 2727794 LongSoupLine
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simply-er put:

You didn't make those attack routes, Goldman did.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:38 | 2728226 ThirdWorldDude
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+1 for the correct assessment.

 

Those attack routs are mildly said misleading since Bibi's plan is to strike from the north

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-does-azerbaijan-airbase-deal-in-plan-to-attack-iran-7601132.html

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:41 | 2728247 moonshadow
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goldman doesnt live and breathe in Israel, people do. and they want to keep on breathing, tptb in Iran dont look favorably on them breathing. wow, there are so many anti-semites on this site

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:06 | 2728360 WTFx10
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Anti -zionists asshat troll.  http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

1942: Prescott Bush, father of future American Presidents’ George Herbert Walker and George W, has his company seized under the, “Trading With The Enemy,” Act. He was funding Hitler from America, whilst American soldiers were being killed by German soldiers.

Jews are also being slaughtered by these same soldiers. Interestingly the ADL never criticizes any of the Bushes for this.

1943: February 18th, Zionist, Izaak Greenbaum, head of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee, in a speech to the Zionist Executive Council states,

“If I am asked, could you give from the UJA (United Jewish Appeal) monies to rescue Jews, I say, no and I say again no!”

He would go onto state,

“One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland!”

This is not a surprise, the whole idea of Zionist support for the slaughter of innocent Jews was to scare the survivors into believing that their only place of safety was Israel.  How else do you think the Zionists could ensure Jews leave the beautiful European cities in which they live, in order to settle in a desert!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:22 | 2728393 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I'm not antisemitic; I like Palestinians just fine. Even the Jewish ones.

 

Guests at an Orthodox Jewish wedding in Occupied Jerusalem broke into a fight when the Palestinian flag was seen fluttering in a rare incident that drew attention to Israeli groups that oppose the existence of the Jewish state.

The Palestinian flag was seen fluttering at the wedding of the son of Rabi Moshe Hirsch, late head of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta.

Several of the guests danced while waving the flag and the groom joined them, but one of the guests was infuriated at the show of support for Palestine and got up and snatched the flag from them.

The pro-Palestinian guests tried to retrieve theflag and a fist fight ensued until they finally managed to take the flag and resume their dance.

 

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/08/09/116152.html

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:38 | 2728476 my puppy for prez
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If tptb in Iran truly were serious about killing Jews, don't you think they would have already done so to the ones living in IRAN?

Why do Iranian Jews, who are repeatedly offered big money to "make aliyah" to Israel, refuse to leave Iran?  Do they seem scared of the Iranian govt?

Of course, you won't listen to these irrefutable facts, will you Mr. Sayan?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:54 | 2727805 ArrestBobRubin
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Excellent point!

Our controlled "news media" is simply painting the tape.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:57 | 2728837 giovanni_f
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...you... mean... our media is... biased!? I am SHOCKED!!!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:59 | 2727829 KK Tipton
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Acutally, this NAM deal shows the Hegelian Dielectic in full effect:

http://nord.twu.net/acl/dialectic.html

"Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. "

 

Both sides are the same group, just playing their appointed roles. The "world" vs. the "NATO/Israel cabal".
Good cop, bad cop.
Why else would the head of the UN go there?

See, they are going to sucker you into a third solution out of this mess.

Global cop.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:07 | 2727865 john39
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quite possible...  the financial crisis certainly is engineered.  They want central control... so the obvious answer to fighting back is probably, autonomous local control...  aka, freedom.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:39 | 2727993 KK Tipton
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John....you are dead on:

Living Outside The Dialectic: Niki Raapana talks to herself about communitarianism - http://bit.ly/OuJqSQ

There is the plan...she spells it out.

 

Now just transpose this on the world stage....
It's all the same scam bitchez!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:31 | 2728455 my puppy for prez
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Wow!  This is a blast from the past for me!  Somehow, several years ago, I heard the term "Hegelian Dialectical Process" for the first time.  I decided to research it, and followed the link to Niki's site.  I was fascinated, and can honestly say that I look at the world through "Hegelian glasses", and always have that process and how it manifests in the back of my mind when reading any "news".

Understanding the Dialectic is the key to understanding the world.  Thanks for giving everyone the heads up!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:59 | 2727830 Watauga
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Gully-Bull.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:38 | 2727990 NotApplicable
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The link, and a small blurb would be not only sufficient, but respectful of BOTH ZH and Counterpunch.

Netiquette is your friend.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:25 | 2728165 Jake88
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WELL LOOK AT YOU! Enquiring minds that want insightful depth coverage of the Iranian Israeli conflict will ofcourse come to ZH to see what you have to say. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:42 | 2728253 Mugatu
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Can you please re-write your post in less than 5,000,000 words?  This is America and we only read 200 words at a time.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:36 | 2728656 Dugald
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Yes well you can put all that on hold until Israel has snatched Julian Assange for the yanks. The population of Guantanamo is soon to explode by one.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:57 | 2727813 CrashisOptimistic
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Somewhat worthless article.

Israeli combat aircraft do not have the required range to get to Iran and back.  

Air to Air refueling from their very sparse refueling fleet requires the tanker to loiter at the rendezvous location, flying slowly in a circle.

Syrian and Iraqi radars will see this.  Tankers have no stealth mods.  Radar sees them.

There's at least a reasonable chance the tankers would be shot down before the attack aircraft reach them.  Even if they were not, Iran would certainly be warned they are coming and the Chinese troops manning the anti aircraft batteries forewarned.

Worthless article.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:42 | 2728005 BigJim
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Somewhat worthless rebuttal.

Who says the Isreali aircraft need to make it home? They can ditch and get collected, or go kamikaze. Or meet the tankers on the way back.

Worthless rebuttal.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:52 | 2728039 KK Tipton
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Well, this whole article and discussion is just internet armchair warfare/war porn.

Gets the masses going just like the Super Bowl.

Wow, I wonder what team is gonna win this year!

 

Don't get sucked into this marketing.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:25 | 2728171 CrashisOptimistic
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Sigh.

Distance Israel - Iran -- 850 nautical miles

Combat range (with ordinance (bombs) on wings causing drag) F-16 about 300 nautical miles.

Combat range F15 with bombs about 1000 nmi for the lightest bombs.  Do you really want to use light bombs for this mission?

Width of Iran -- 500 nmi

So you're sending these kamikaze guys off and telling them, "don't come home, just continue on" and they'll continue on and wind up out of fuel still over Iran.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:53 | 2728300 sushi
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Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

F15 with light bombs makes 850 nm run to target and then recovers to Azerbaijan to refuel, rearm and bomb again on the return trip.

The key to this is that someone will have forgotten to removed the US markings from the F15s.

Guess what happens next?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:28 | 2728438 BigJim
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 Distance Israel - Iran -- 850 nautical miles

 Combat range (with ordinance (bombs) on wings causing drag) F-16 about 300 nautical miles. etc etc

Bahrain, Kuwait, and Saudi are all part of the US empire. The Israelis will just take off from one of the them.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:28 | 2728621 Colonial Intent
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Ignoring US and saudi tanker assets, israeli f16s have tanks that can refuel each other creating a supply chain stretching to its target, an israeli strike on iran is possible, but hitting the 'nuke' sites would be difficult, israel would be better off hittin infrastructure and C3.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:49 | 2729125 mjcOH1
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"Combat range F15 with bombs about 1000 nmi for the lightest bombs.  Do you really want to use light bombs for this mission?"

 

Well, on-wing weight of a B61 gravity bomb is about 700lbs, with a yield of up to 340kt.    I'd guess the Israelis can probably manage something similar.

So let's not confuse weight with yield if it comes down to that.  

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:53 | 2728043 JOYFUL
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not entirely worthless...

anyone doubting that Stratfor is a sionist disinfo shoppe can now put those doubts to rest...

the airfields in Azerbaijan that are the closest to the take out targets & already hold israeli assets ready to fly at a moments notice are curiously absent from this 'report'...as is the equally well known access route out of sio-merikan controlled fields in Romania\Bulgaria overflying Georgia...

and no mention of the Iraqi Kurds, standing by to receive the returning flights...

Zh's infatuation with this Stratfor thing remains a mystery.

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