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Israel's Iran Strike Routes

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The jury is still out whether Israel will or will not attack Iran, despite the endless and relentless (dis)information in the media from all sides, and certainly when such an attack might happen, but if it did take place, these are all the logistically possible formats what an airborne attack could look like.

Via Stratfor:

A unilateral strike on the Iranian nuclear program is not Israel's preferred option. However, if Israel does decide to proceed with the mission unilaterally, the different routes the strike package could take each pose unique challenges. Currently, the Israeli air force has three principal routes to its targets in Iran. The first route involves flying northward over the eastern Mediterranean Sea between Cyprus and Syria, and then proceeding eastward along the Turkey-Syria border, flying through northern Iraq and into Iran. This route circumvents Syria's air defense network, which was built to cover its western flank against an Israeli air attack. The second route is the shortest and involves flying directly over Jordan and Iraq to reach Iran. Due to the shorter distance, the likelihood that Jordan could be deterred from interfering with the strike package, and the absence of any viable Iraqi air defense, this route probably poses the least risk. The third route goes through northern Saudi Arabia, over the Persian Gulf and into Iran. While most of Saudi Arabia's air defenses and air bases are oriented toward the Persian Gulf and the main cities to the south, Israeli planes would almost certainly be detected, especially since they would have to fly near Tabuk's air base. If Riyadh did choose to intercept the Israeli aircraft, the Israeli air force would face serious complications because Saudi Arabia has a large number of advanced interceptor aircraft. As the war in Syria intensifies, another route may become viable. Rebel operations have already negatively affected the Syrian regime's air defenses somewhat. If this trend intensifies, the country's air defense network may be degraded to the extent that the Israeli air force would be able to fly directly over Syria without undue risk to its aircraft.

Of course, if the US were to engage alongside Israel, presidential elections notwithstanding, and the numerous US aircraft carriers stationed in the Gulf and the Arabian Sea were to participate in any offensive, then all predictive bets are off. One thing is certain: it is, at least in Israel's view, that the window of attack is rapidly closing, which may explain why crude is once again trading on edge every single day, and why gas at the pump, has once again never been more expensive on this day in history, a fact which the Romney camp will certainly hone in on soon to quite soon.

Courtesy of Not_Jim_Cramer


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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:23 | 2727682 Abraxas
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War criminals!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:29 | 2727708 Gully Foyle
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For those who choose to read about complex problems instead of Twitter length answers.

Russia and Chian are holding up the plan.

I guess they wish to remain soverign nations.

August 21, 2012
A Strange Place The South Gathers in Tehran by VIJAY PRASHAD

Tomorrow, perhaps, the future.

– W. H. Auden.

Next week, representatives from one hundred and eighteen of the world’s one hundred and ninety two states will gather in Tehran, Iran for the 16th Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) summit. Created in 1961, the NAM was a crucial platform for the Third World Project (whose history I detail in The Darker Nations). It was formed to purge the majority of the world from the toxic Cold War and from the mal-development pushed by the World Bank. After two decades of useful institution-building, the NAM was suffocated by the enforced debt crisis of the 1980s. It has since gasped along. In the corners of the NAM meetings, delegates mutter about the arrogance of the North, particularly the US, whose track record over the past few decades has been pretty abysmal. Reagan’s dismissal of the problems of the South at the 1981 Cancún Summit on the North-South Dialogue still raises eyebrows, and Bush’s cowboy sensibility still earns a few chuckles. But apart from these cheap thrills, little of value comes out of the NAM. Until the last decade there have been few attempts to create an ideological and institutional alternative to neoliberalism or to unipolar imperialism.

With the arrival of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) in the past few years, the mood has lifted. The much more assertive presence of the BRICS inside the NAM and in the United Nations has raised hopes that US and European intransigence will no longer determine the destiny of the world. At the 14th NAM summit in Cuba (2006), the world seemed lighter. Chávez’s jokes went down well; Castro was greeted as a titan. This seemed like the old days, or at least Delhi in 1983.

NAM summits typically go by without fanfare. The Atlantic media rarely notices its presence. But this year, because the summit is to be held in Tehran, eyebrows have been raised. The US State Department’s Victoria Nuland hastened to condemn the location, “a strange place and an inappropriate place for this meeting…Our point is simply that Tehran, given its number of grave violations of international law and UN obligations, does not seem to be the appropriate place” for the NAM summit. The US government is particularly chafed that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is making his pilgrimage to the NAM (the Secretary General has attended every NAM summit since 1961, when Dag Hammarskjöld left Belgrade to his death over African skies). Nuland notes that the US has expressed its “concern” to Ban. Israel’s Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was plainer, “Mr. Secretary-General, your place is not in Tehran.”

Bombs Over Tehran 

Israel has been playing a peculiar game these past few months. Netanyahu and his coterie are the mirror image of the clownish behavior of Iran’s President Ahmedinejad: both have a fulsome sense of themselves, preening before cameras with bluster. Sensational bulletins come from their mouths. The fear is that Netanyahu is playing chicken with the US. He wants to either bait President Obama to ratchet up the sanctions and fire off one or two missiles, or else to let loose his own hawks, flying twice the distance that they flew to Osirak in 1982 to bomb Bushehr now. Netanyahu’s pressure startled his own President, Shimon Peres, who hastened to note, “It is clear that we cannot do this single-handedly and that we must co-ordinate with America.” All this is a game of Chinese whispers, with so little clarity about what anyone is actually saying, and a great deal of anxiety about the exaggerations that have overwhelmed any capacity for mature discussion.

The US seems to want time for the new sanctions regime to take effect. In March, Iranian banks were disconnected from the SWIFT network that enables electronic financial transactions. Pressure on countries that import Iranian oil were stepped up, as the US and Europeans threatened to take action against those who did not follow their own sanctions regime (which are much harsher than the various United Nations resolutions that run from 1696, from 2006, to 1929, from 2010). Iran’s Central Bank has pointed to a deep decline in the share of Iranian exports – and concomitantly, a perilous position for its population. What seems not to be on the radar of those who create these sanctions regimes is that they rarely turn the population against its government. In Iran, it might actually be detrimental to the reform movement. Washington fulminates about autocracy in Iran and the bomb, but it does not realize that for most Iranians (44% of whom live in slums), the core problem is of livelihood and well-being.

India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be in Tehran. He will meet Ahmedinejad, and talk to him about India’s attempt to circumvent the sanctions regime. Between 10 and 12 percent of India’s oil needs are furnished by Iran. There has been an attempt to switch to the Saudi supply, but this is much easier to talk about than to do. The problem for India and Iran has been over payments, since India cannot pay Iran for the oil. Iran has therefore agreed to accept 45 percent of its oil receipts in Indian rupees, within India, and to use this money to buy Indian goods to import into Iran. Delegations from the business sector have gone back and forth to find things to sell the Iranians. But problems persist: the sanctions regime has made it near impossible for Indian tankers to get insurance for their journey to Iran. Nonetheless, the Indian business lobby estimates that bilateral trade between the two countries will rise from $13.5 billion to $30 billion by 2015.

Manmohan Singh and Ahmedinejad’s tête-à-tête will also touch on the Indian investments at the Chabahar port in southeastern Iran, which has been used to bring Indian goods into Iran and to bring 100,000 tons of wheat to Afghanistan. India and Iran have invested heavily in Afghanistan, and both have a common interest in making sure that the Taliban does not return to power in Kabul. Here one would imagine that the US might see eye-to-eye with these old allies, but Washington’s obsessive blinkers make it impossible to be proper diplomats. It has been a long-standing US aim to break the link between India and Iran, two stalwarts in the NAM. Next week, New Delhi and Tehran will reinforce their fragile ties. Manmohan Singh will not make any grand gesture. This is not his temperament. Nonetheless, economic realities and the accidents of geography make the relationship necessary. This is unfathomable to Washington.

Blood of Syria

The last time the NAM suffered a major political split was when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (1979). The bulk of the members wanted to condemn the invasion, while a few of the more influential (Algeria, India, Iraq) refused to go along. It damaged NAM’s credibility. This year, it is Syria that poses the dilemma.

In May, at Sharm el-Sheikh, within sight of Mubarak’s hospital incarceration, the NAM coordinating bureau ministerial meeting tried to put together a resolution on Syria. The Saudis and Qataris wanted a strong condemnation of the regime, but the Syrians, who remain as NAM members, took exception to the draft. The final document was anodyne, calling for the success of former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan’s Six Point Plan. Annan has quit. In his place has come the seasoned Algerian diplomat and UN bureaucrat, Lakhdar Brahimi who is no stranger to the NAM circuit. Brahimi knows a lot about conflict, having recently been the UN’s man in Afghanistan and Iraq, and having been the broker to the Taef Agreement (1989) which suspended the Lebanese civil war.

Brahimi role will be difficult. Cynicism tears at Syria’s future. Most discussion on Syria comes at it from its geopolitics: what will be the impact of the fall of Assad’s regime for US power or Gulf Arab power in the region? Will this have a detrimental impact on Hezbollah, on the Palestinians, on the Iranians? These are valuable questions, but they obscure the much more basic class question posed by the uprising in Syria: what is best for the Syrian people? There is little argument that Assad’s regime governs with one hand clothed in the military’s iron and the other morphed into a credit card for the kleptocratic neoliberal elite. There is also little argument that the Assad regime’s brutality toward its population has a long history, most notably during the first eleven months of the 2011 uprising when the people in their coordination committees chanted silmiyyeh, silmiyyeh (peaceful, peaceful) as Assad’s tanks roared into their midst. The correct handling of the contradictions should lead one to full support for the freedom of the Syrian people, which has come to mean two things: the end of the Assad regime and the retraction of the hand of the US, the Gulf Arabs and the Russians. But Brahimi will not be able to move an agenda as long as the Syrian peoples’ needs are not at the center of things.

It is also why the NAM will not be able to act effectively vis-à-vis Syria. One NAM delegation to Moscow and another to Riyadh-Doha asking for a suspension of weaponry and a cooling down of the rhetoric would have a marked impact on Assad and his beleaguered circle. This is not on the cards.

Leadership has now fallen on Egypt’s new president, Mohamed Morsi. At the Organization of Islamic Cooperation meeting in Mecca this month, the fifty-seven states expelled Syria. This followed a resolution put forward by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Only Iran’s Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi cautioned the group not to act in haste. He tried to take shelter in Assad’s pronouncements about elections and reforms, none of this meaningful any longer. Salehi and the Iranians are plainly worried about the dynamic of history shifting to the advantage of the Gulf Arabs. This has colored their view of the Syrian conflict. Egypt built a small bridge to Tehran in the OIS meeting. Morsi proposed the creation of a Contact Group, which would include Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. This was welcomed by all sides. A few days later at a ministerial meeting in Jeddah, Iran’s Salehi met with Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohammed Amr to draw out the implications of this Contact Group. Iran’s foreign ministry spokesperson Rahim Mehmanparast said that the Contact Group would be a mechanism to “review and follow up on [regional] issues so that peace would be established in the region.” Nothing concrete has been achieved till now, but all indications are that Egypt will use the NAM process to find a way between the hard lines on both sides.

Egypt and Iran broke their ties after the 1979 Islamic Republic was formed. But after the ouster of Mubarak, small gestures brought the countries into communication. The Egyptians allowed an Iranian frigate to go through the Suez Canal (the first since 1978). Iran welcomed the Arab Spring in North Africa as an “Islamic Awakening,” and hoped for a rapprochement with the new Muslim Brotherhood politicians of the region. The Qataris and Saudis also had such hopes, and these are antagonistic to Iran. Qatar’s Emir Hamad bin Khalifa met for an iftar dinner last week, where the Qataris pledged $2 billion in assistance (a rumor floated around that the Qataris wanted to lease the Suez Canal, perhaps to prevent passage to those Iranian frigates). Morsi welcomed Iran’s Vice President Hamed Baqai a few weeks before the Qatari visit, accepting the invitation to come to Tehran for the NAM meeting and hand over the Chair from Egypt to Iran in person. At the OIS meeting, Morsi and Ahmedinejad were seen to speak for a considerable period. It is likely that Morsi would like to fashion himself as the non-aligned voice between Iran and the Gulf Arabs, and to provide Brahimi with the kind of policy space he will require.

Morsi has a complex itinerary. He will go to Tehran via Beijing. Between a conclave with Hu Jintao and then later with Manmohan Singh, between discussions with the Gulf Arabs and the Iranians, Morsi’s gestures suggest an affinity with the kind of multipolar foreign policy developed by the BRICS countries.

The tea leaves are hard to read. The top issues on the NAM agenda are Iran and Syria. One is about a war that Israel itches to start, and the other is about a war that the Assad regime is conducting against the Syrian people. The very fact that the NAM summit is taking place in Tehran shows that there remains support for Iran against any precipitous action. If Morsi’s Contact Group can be pressured within the NAM to take a strong class position on Syria and not hide behind the cynicism of geopolitics, then this NAM will be seen as a historical summit.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:32 | 2727730 ParkAveFlasher
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can i haz twttr fo dis?  2 longgg

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:53 | 2727804 LongSoupLine
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exactly, what does any of this have to do with AAPL?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:04 | 2728349 Bicycle Repairman
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Whichever route they take the Israelis will refuel just outside of the Iranian border.  But for the sake of stealthiness let me posit two other routes.  Straight from Georgia and straight from Qatar.

Expect surprise.  The Israeli's always insist on it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:06 | 2728358 Bicycle Repairman
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Also expect their German-made submarines to be a major source of firepower.  Especially if their Air Force cannot deliver the goods.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:44 | 2728674 boogerbently
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They are going to drop bombs on Iran.....Syria's ally and supporter. Do you think Israel gives a $hit about their "air space"?

Israel will attack before the election for the stated reasons AND because IRAN can't be on two fronts....supporting Syria and themselves. The US can't help in Syria and anger Russia and China, so we will cut off Syrian support by Iran by having Israel attack them. The muslim in chief needs Jewish support to win re-election.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:03 | 2728717 phyuckyiu
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Israel can't do shit by themselves, it's quite obvious. I bet they can't sleep at night knowing they are still our bitch after all the money they spent buying our politicians. I'm sure Sheldon Adelson will spend $300 million trying to correct that. Should be interesting to watch the Sunburns head towards Dimona/US aircraft carriers. Have fun with the Mach 2.5 scramjets.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:37 | 2728917 NemoDeNovo
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Um....from my view point [Gulf War Vet] WE seems to be Israel's Bitch, I mena how much Money and Militray hardware do we give them EVERY YEAR????  Just sayin......

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:43 | 2728925 phyuckyiu
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No question we dance to the fiddle, i'm with ya 100%, but this president seems determined to put himself before Israel, a fatal sin that Adelson will correct.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:20 | 2729257 FreeSlave
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Planned war on Iran and the General who said No!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:54 | 2727807 Dalago
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These are the two think tanks projects that are unfolding now:


Project for the new American Century


A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:08 | 2727870 ArrestBobRubin
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Search "Oded Yinon" and you'll see where those 2 shit shows came from

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:50 | 2728035 Disenchanted
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"The dissolution of Syria and Iraq into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern frontIraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run, it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel.


"An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and Lebanon.


"In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul and Shiite areas in the South will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north."


Oded Yinon - published in 1982 by the World Zionist Organisation’s publication Kivunim

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:21 | 2728079 Michael
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All that plutonium contaminating Israel will make Japan look like an eco-sanctuary.

Israel to Shut Down Dimona Nuclear Reactor Should War Break Out

IDF and the IAEC prepared for possibility of an attempted attack on the reactors during a conflict with Iran, Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon or Hamas and other Palestinian organizations in Gaza. Nuclear activity at the reactors at Dimona and Nahal Sorek will desist should missiles attack Israel's home front. The aim of such nuclear stoppage would be to prevent damage to the reactors' outlying area, should missiles penetrate the facilities' defense shields. A decision for such a stoppage was reached by the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, in coordination with the IDF Home Front Command. The working assumption shared by the Home Front Command and the IAEC management officials responsible for the two reactors is that the multilayered defense systems, which feature anti-missile missiles calibrated to intercept missiles at various heights, along with fortified installations, should be sufficiently effective to minimize damage in an attack against the reactors. Nonetheless, in principle any defense system can be penetrated. For this reason, nuclear activity in the reactors will be halted should warnings come of impending war. This stoppage procedure could also be applied in non-war periods of escalated skirmishes that involve rocket attacks against Israel.

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 1

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 2

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 3

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 4

Dimona Nuclear Plant Israel 5



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:39 | 2728241 sushi
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Sperm studies (I kid you not) show a declining sperm count in Israeli males. This is already greatly reducing conception rates and is projected to continue to decline further. The forecast is that by 2020 Israeli males may no longer be able to assist in procreation.


The cause?

Is believed to be associated with the tetrogentiy of the Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions used in the last Israeli attack on Lebanon. Since all young males serve in the armed forces a large number of them have been exposed. The same problem is emerging in Iraq where much greater quantities of DU munitions were employed. Conception rates decline, viable births decline, genetic deformity rises.

DU is used as it is heavy. It is formed into a solid shaft which is contained within a sabot round. When it hits an armoured target the DU burns and therefore forms a self sharpening tip. Plus the heavy weight of the projectile assists penetration. The problem is that the impact results in clouds of pulverized DU which contaiminate the ground for long periods and are also carried on the winds.

Nobody wants to report this because to do so requires accepting responsibilty for the outcomes in the civilian population. It is agent orange all over again but with much worse and longer lasting effects.


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:19 | 2728834 greyghost
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sperm problems? couldn't be all the inbreeding among jews? look at romney's three sons that can't get a good sperm count. inbreeding among mormons? am not talking incest or any of that shit......just not a large enough gene pool to start with and keeping it just in that small narrow gene pool.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:36 | 2729099 mjcOH1
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Sperm counts are declining worldwide.   But let's not confuse the debate with a dose of reality, aye.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:21 | 2727982 Disenchanted
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Project for a New American Century (PNAC) is basically now operating under a new name...Foreign Policy Initiative


Sort of like Blackwater/XE/Academi

Blackwater 3.0: Rebranded ‘Academi’ Wants Back in Iraq
Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:36 | 2728654 Chief KnocAHoma
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Iran and Israel are acting like two tough guy wanna bes mouthing off in a bar. The crowd seperates them and their shouts become louder and their actions more provocative.

Take the crowd away and they would be standing face to face, each scared to fight.

Plus I'mANutJob can stand across the desert and stick his tongue out at the Jews knowing full well their planes can't cross any of that area between them. The Saudis, Iraqis, Turks don't want a fight.... they want I'mANutJob to keep screaming because each time he does oil goes up in price. Cha CHing! Just like most everything else in this World... "Luke...Follow the money."

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:39 | 2729104 mjcOH1
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I'm pretty sure the only thing detering Israel in this case is concern about resupply and who'll bitch due to the prevailing winds.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:33 | 2727735 john39
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simply put... the worldwide support for the NAM summit, in Tehran, shows that the most of the world is wise to the game played by the banker owned NATO/Israel cabal... 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:49 | 2727788 magpie
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It's a diplomatic disaster for the USA of the highest order... the Grand Alliance on the Asian chessboard, additonally its own European allies (except Poland) completely bankrupt, its Asian ones caught in a stupid game of tag with each other and Turkey about to enter the meat grinder.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:49 | 2727791 ParkAveFlasher
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Thanks.  Feel like I'm back in my northern NJ high school, copying homework.  Great education, indeed.

I agree with this and one has to remember that the wealthy families of India, China, Africa, and the ME have been wealthy for time immemorial.  There is nothing new under the sun.

16 barrels of oil to an ounce of pure gold.  This is the ultimate price fix at work in human society. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:50 | 2727794 LongSoupLine
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simply-er put:

You didn't make those attack routes, Goldman did.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:38 | 2728226 ThirdWorldDude
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+1 for the correct assessment.


Those attack routs are mildly said misleading since Bibi's plan is to strike from the north

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:41 | 2728247 moonshadow
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goldman doesnt live and breathe in Israel, people do. and they want to keep on breathing, tptb in Iran dont look favorably on them breathing. wow, there are so many anti-semites on this site

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:06 | 2728360 WTFx10
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Anti -zionists asshat troll.

1942: Prescott Bush, father of future American Presidents’ George Herbert Walker and George W, has his company seized under the, “Trading With The Enemy,” Act. He was funding Hitler from America, whilst American soldiers were being killed by German soldiers.

Jews are also being slaughtered by these same soldiers. Interestingly the ADL never criticizes any of the Bushes for this.

1943: February 18th, Zionist, Izaak Greenbaum, head of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee, in a speech to the Zionist Executive Council states,

“If I am asked, could you give from the UJA (United Jewish Appeal) monies to rescue Jews, I say, no and I say again no!”

He would go onto state,

“One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland!”

This is not a surprise, the whole idea of Zionist support for the slaughter of innocent Jews was to scare the survivors into believing that their only place of safety was Israel.  How else do you think the Zionists could ensure Jews leave the beautiful European cities in which they live, in order to settle in a desert!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:22 | 2728393's picture

I'm not antisemitic; I like Palestinians just fine. Even the Jewish ones.


Guests at an Orthodox Jewish wedding in Occupied Jerusalem broke into a fight when the Palestinian flag was seen fluttering in a rare incident that drew attention to Israeli groups that oppose the existence of the Jewish state.

The Palestinian flag was seen fluttering at the wedding of the son of Rabi Moshe Hirsch, late head of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta.

Several of the guests danced while waving the flag and the groom joined them, but one of the guests was infuriated at the show of support for Palestine and got up and snatched the flag from them.

The pro-Palestinian guests tried to retrieve theflag and a fist fight ensued until they finally managed to take the flag and resume their dance.



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:38 | 2728476 my puppy for prez
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If tptb in Iran truly were serious about killing Jews, don't you think they would have already done so to the ones living in IRAN?

Why do Iranian Jews, who are repeatedly offered big money to "make aliyah" to Israel, refuse to leave Iran?  Do they seem scared of the Iranian govt?

Of course, you won't listen to these irrefutable facts, will you Mr. Sayan?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:54 | 2727805 ArrestBobRubin
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Excellent point!

Our controlled "news media" is simply painting the tape.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:57 | 2728837 giovanni_f
giovanni_f's picture mean... our media is... biased!? I am SHOCKED!!!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:59 | 2727829 KK Tipton
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Acutally, this NAM deal shows the Hegelian Dielectic in full effect:

"Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. "


Both sides are the same group, just playing their appointed roles. The "world" vs. the "NATO/Israel cabal".
Good cop, bad cop.
Why else would the head of the UN go there?

See, they are going to sucker you into a third solution out of this mess.

Global cop.




Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:07 | 2727865 john39
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quite possible...  the financial crisis certainly is engineered.  They want central control... so the obvious answer to fighting back is probably, autonomous local control...  aka, freedom.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:39 | 2727993 KK Tipton
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Living Outside The Dialectic: Niki Raapana talks to herself about communitarianism -

There is the plan...she spells it out.


Now just transpose this on the world stage....
It's all the same scam bitchez!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:31 | 2728455 my puppy for prez
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Wow!  This is a blast from the past for me!  Somehow, several years ago, I heard the term "Hegelian Dialectical Process" for the first time.  I decided to research it, and followed the link to Niki's site.  I was fascinated, and can honestly say that I look at the world through "Hegelian glasses", and always have that process and how it manifests in the back of my mind when reading any "news".

Understanding the Dialectic is the key to understanding the world.  Thanks for giving everyone the heads up!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:59 | 2727830 Watauga
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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:38 | 2727990 NotApplicable
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The link, and a small blurb would be not only sufficient, but respectful of BOTH ZH and Counterpunch.

Netiquette is your friend.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:25 | 2728165 Jake88
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WELL LOOK AT YOU! Enquiring minds that want insightful depth coverage of the Iranian Israeli conflict will ofcourse come to ZH to see what you have to say. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:42 | 2728253 Mugatu
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Can you please re-write your post in less than 5,000,000 words?  This is America and we only read 200 words at a time.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:36 | 2728656 Dugald
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Yes well you can put all that on hold until Israel has snatched Julian Assange for the yanks. The population of Guantanamo is soon to explode by one.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:57 | 2727813 CrashisOptimistic
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Somewhat worthless article.

Israeli combat aircraft do not have the required range to get to Iran and back.  

Air to Air refueling from their very sparse refueling fleet requires the tanker to loiter at the rendezvous location, flying slowly in a circle.

Syrian and Iraqi radars will see this.  Tankers have no stealth mods.  Radar sees them.

There's at least a reasonable chance the tankers would be shot down before the attack aircraft reach them.  Even if they were not, Iran would certainly be warned they are coming and the Chinese troops manning the anti aircraft batteries forewarned.

Worthless article.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:42 | 2728005 BigJim
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Somewhat worthless rebuttal.

Who says the Isreali aircraft need to make it home? They can ditch and get collected, or go kamikaze. Or meet the tankers on the way back.

Worthless rebuttal.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:52 | 2728039 KK Tipton
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Well, this whole article and discussion is just internet armchair warfare/war porn.

Gets the masses going just like the Super Bowl.

Wow, I wonder what team is gonna win this year!


Don't get sucked into this marketing.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:25 | 2728171 CrashisOptimistic
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Distance Israel - Iran -- 850 nautical miles

Combat range (with ordinance (bombs) on wings causing drag) F-16 about 300 nautical miles.

Combat range F15 with bombs about 1000 nmi for the lightest bombs.  Do you really want to use light bombs for this mission?

Width of Iran -- 500 nmi

So you're sending these kamikaze guys off and telling them, "don't come home, just continue on" and they'll continue on and wind up out of fuel still over Iran.




Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:53 | 2728300 sushi
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Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

F15 with light bombs makes 850 nm run to target and then recovers to Azerbaijan to refuel, rearm and bomb again on the return trip.

The key to this is that someone will have forgotten to removed the US markings from the F15s.

Guess what happens next?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:28 | 2728438 BigJim
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 Distance Israel - Iran -- 850 nautical miles

 Combat range (with ordinance (bombs) on wings causing drag) F-16 about 300 nautical miles. etc etc

Bahrain, Kuwait, and Saudi are all part of the US empire. The Israelis will just take off from one of the them.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:28 | 2728621 Colonial Intent
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Ignoring US and saudi tanker assets, israeli f16s have tanks that can refuel each other creating a supply chain stretching to its target, an israeli strike on iran is possible, but hitting the 'nuke' sites would be difficult, israel would be better off hittin infrastructure and C3.


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:49 | 2729125 mjcOH1
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"Combat range F15 with bombs about 1000 nmi for the lightest bombs.  Do you really want to use light bombs for this mission?"


Well, on-wing weight of a B61 gravity bomb is about 700lbs, with a yield of up to 340kt.    I'd guess the Israelis can probably manage something similar.

So let's not confuse weight with yield if it comes down to that.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:53 | 2728043 JOYFUL
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not entirely worthless...

anyone doubting that Stratfor is a sionist disinfo shoppe can now put those doubts to rest...

the airfields in Azerbaijan that are the closest to the take out targets & already hold israeli assets ready to fly at a moments notice are curiously absent from this 'report' is the equally well known access route out of sio-merikan controlled fields in Romania\Bulgaria overflying Georgia...

and no mention of the Iraqi Kurds, standing by to receive the returning flights...

Zh's infatuation with this Stratfor thing remains a mystery.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:03 | 2728351 HungrySeagull
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They do have the range.


F16's are fitted with Dorsal and upper wing mounted fuel packs at a very small cost to performance can get there, fight and come back.


The Turkey Route is too risky, Syria too obvious, Jordan would not like it.


That Leaves Saudi. Who knows?


Maybe some of our "Boomers" will get to land some of the blows as well.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:29 | 2728900 El Tuco
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It won't be Israel that leads this strike. Let know one kid themselves. It will be US stealth bombers along with US missiles that will lead this attack. Amerika would send every last son and daughter they have to die for Israel. It is the reality.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 00:27 | 2729415 NachoLiebor
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A bunch of tankers full of JP-1 magically appear on a desolate Iraqi highway in the middle of bf nowhere. The jets land and get refueled. Didn't a plane land on an iceberg and get refueled by a submarine?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:56 | 2728281 moonshadow
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If your neighbor kept saying to you that he hates you and wants to wipe you and your children from the face of the earth and take your house away from you, would you wait til he does it to think about how to defend yourself? If he then said, as soon as i get a gun and ammo i'm gonna kill you and your kids and take your house,- would you wait? If you saw that he now has a gun and is learning how to load his own ammo, would you still wait? you gona wait til he starts shooting? Wait til your first child's head hits the ground bleeding before you take action? How long to wait? Where is that point where a man is totally justified to take action to defend himself and his family once it becomes apparent- overwhelmingly apparent- that your neighbor means every hateful, threatening word that he says. People in Israel want to live in peace and security just like everyone commenting here does

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:25 | 2728428 BigJim
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Nice try.

But Iran has never threatened any of these things, so take your zionist bullshit somewhere people are too ignorant to know better.



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:27 | 2728436's picture


If your neighbor kept saying to you that he hates you and wants to wipe you and your children from the face of the earth and take your house away from you, would you wait til he does it to think about how to defend yourself?


Nice description of the Israeli game plan.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:18 | 2728600 Colonial Intent
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So you break into my house, put a gun to my families heads and tell me that 2000 years ago it was your house and expect me to leave quietly?


Fuck u.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:03 | 2728853 giovanni_f
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"...leave quietly" sounds like human ethnic cleansing. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:11 | 2729157 PhilofOz
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Wow! This is precisely the actions of zionist khazar jews that have walked into and stolen the lands of people that in high likelihood are decendents of semitic jews, and regardless will always be semites. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:22 | 2728617 battle axe
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Jericho III ICBM's armed with conventional harden warheads to break open the underground sites followed closely buy F-15I strikes to deliver bunker buster bombs thru the impact craters. Refuel after the strike in Uzbekistan and then fly home. Fly the route thru Jordan and Iraq. It will happen before the election. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:37 | 2728797 phyuckyiu
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Sunburns shutting down the Straight of Hormuz permanently, for millenia, and pulverizing Dimona, even in it's 'shut down' state it's quite the dirty bomb. It will happen before the election.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 23:37 | 2729374 HungrySeagull
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The USA executes a "Smash and enter" to keep the Hormuz open in the face of Iranian attempts to close the place.


Even if the waters were closed, as long there are pipes in Saudi and elsewhere the oil can still get out. If we lose even that... who cares? Cushing is brimming.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 00:07 | 2729400 phyuckyiu
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The fact that you can write off Hormuz so matter of factly doesn't make any sense. Not only does 20% of the worlds oil go through there, everyone would have to pipe things several hundred miles to get to another coast, and some would just be offline permanently. You do realize what 8$ gas looks like in America, yes? But hey, any price to pay to realize the nightmare of Greater Israel.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 02:49 | 2729515 HungrySeagull
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They have already built Pipe to bypass the Hormuz, The Saudis have one I think recently finished.


8 dollar gas would be fine with me. If it helps the war effort vs Iran. Hell I can do 16 if I want. (Not that it will be a safe venture...)


It's time that we stop worrying about the world's issues vs Oil.


If Israel disappeared today under nuclear or other attack we would have no one but ourselves to blame for waiting too damn long.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:39 | 2727683 TruthInSunshine
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The wannabe-taken-very-seriously DEBKA (run by alleged past "intelligence" agents and such) wrote that Israel is not going to launch a military strike on Iran, but will bleed Iran dry financially via the use of Nigerian '419' phishing email scams.

STRATFOR (disinformation propagandist monkey shop) disagrees, alleging that Israel has technology that will set off a series of large scale earthquakes with highly concentrated epicenters all immediately underneath Iran's nuclear facilities, causing all the Pyrex® centrifuge containers & other glassware that Iran needs to conduct its nuclear research to fall of the shelves and break.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:58 | 2727826 Winston Churchill
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Thats not new tech.Barnes Wallis developed it.

Man made earthquakes collapsed reinforced concrete structures.

They were not designed for direct hits which would

not have destroyed the hardened targets.

Used by RAF in 1944 against U Boat pens.

Problem is the explosive.Those bombs were 12000lbs of rdx explosive.

IDF doenst have anything that would carry them.

Tactical nuke ground penetrators would do.Buts using nukes.................



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:14 | 2727878 Zap Powerz
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I just love me some good sacasm!  Nice.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:20 | 2727907 savagegoose
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thats why an iraq route, with american refuellers is a good choice.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:17 | 2728400 my puppy for prez
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Hmmm....has anyone noticed that Iran has recently experienced some moderate earthquakes within the last couple of weeks in the northwest region?

Maybe Israel has been testing out their technology....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:40 | 2728799 phyuckyiu
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Has anyone noticed the Mississippi River is going dry and will cost the US $350 million a day? Maybe ---------- has been testing out their technology....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:47 | 2728934 phyuckyiu
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Oh and a Hurricane for the GOP convention? Fucking Classic. Maybe The United States has been testing out their technology.....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:24 | 2727687 Neethgie
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iran should move all their important shit nearer to afghanistan.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:44 | 2727769 AlaricBalth
Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:24 | 2727689 dow2000
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Courtesy of Not_Jim_Cramer

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:32 | 2727724 malikai
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LOL. An EMP over Iran?

That would mean lights out (oil pumps off) for most of the middle east. Not to mention the fact that Israel would have officially broken it's "no first-use" doctrine.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:01 | 2727818 francis_sawyer
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I've read reports (can't ascertain their validity), that the EMP technology is something that the Iranians actually have & are capable of dispensing with it...

If that's the case, they could do quite a lot more serious damage to the United States by using one launched from a sub off the US coast over important East Coast hubs...

Like I said ~ I'm not an expert by any means (neither technologically, nor strategically ~ so, if there are any experts out there ~ chime in)... All I can say is that in the stuff I've read, the EMP notion is a lot more compelling to the Iranians than anything nuclear oriented (because it doesn't involve killing innocents), it's simply wreaks havoc to critical electronic infrastructure...

Anyway ~ if all that is true... then whoever abandons a "no first use" doctrine ought to get what's coming to them... By focusing the rhetoric on 'nuclear' capabilities, they might be barking up the wrong tree...

Footnote: To further the argument... If, what would be required to slip defenses & get close enough to US shores, anybody thinks is improbable... They might want to refer back to the missle that was launched from undersea off the coast of Loa Angeles a couple of years back, or, the fact that just recently a Russian sub was cruising around the Gulf of Mexico completely undetected...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:25 | 2727930 Dburn
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I would venture to guess that an EMP attack on The US or Israel, even a half-ass one, would be tantamount to declaring nuclear war regardless of the technicalities behind burning out all electronics  not previous "hardened" to EMP explosions  AND killing 10-40m people at 25,000 degrees+ F. 

My line of thinking goes along the lines of ; what makes our engines of commerce, our communications , transportation run? The electronics that would be destroyed in an EMP attack.
There would be deaths by the thousands if not millions, depending on how long it would take to restore "crucial" electronic function.

We're talking about all emergency procedures to transport and take care of critically ill people failing.
We are talking about thousands of planes
falling out of the air with all the passengers killed instantly
while 10s of thousands more die on the ground from the impacts . 

So, based on just that, while keeping in mind that that is just the tip of the CPU, how many US nuclear
Subs would be surfacing to launch retaliatory
Strikes, while keeping in mind one that a single US Nuclear weapons equipped sub is just about enough to turn Iran into Glass.  
Israel would also see an EMP explosion as a Nuclear attack. 

On the plus side :  
It would be a huge boost for Apple's stock once they got the exchanges running again along with the wireless networks.
Think of the hundreds of millions of iGadgets that would be roasted. 


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:06 | 2728362 bankruptcylawyer
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one of my favorite conspiracy theories that is probably false is that the u.s. detonated a small nuclear device in the bunker housing iraq's elite troops underneath the bagdad airport in the first weeks of the war in iraq in 2003. 

we did it for the lolZ!


seriously though, tactical nukes ROCK!!!!

I hope the world gets to know them and use them better. what's the difference between a few massive conventional bombs and a sub-kiloton nuclear weapon? seriously , why not use them?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:29 | 2728445's picture

Because human success depends on peaceful interaction leading to increased productivity rather than gross destruction?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:44 | 2728808 phyuckyiu
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I think a few Sunburns on Dimona should do the trick. Seriously, why not use them?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:57 | 2729225 Real Estate Geek
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Once across the Rubicon you can never return.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 00:11 | 2729405 phyuckyiu
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Given the choice of occupation by blue helmets, indefinitely, while slowly dying of DU poisoning, indefinitely, or letting your Sunburns fly, what would you choose?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:04 | 2728854 tip e. canoe
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that the EMP technology is something that the Iranians actually have & are capable of dispensing with it...

if one is to entertain the possibility of this being factual, then one might realize a deeper game is being played here.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:20 | 2727904 DCFusor
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Not necessarily.  See this link:

These are pure-conventional (not nuke) and can even be tuned to one frequency to take out things like power and land line phones, or tuned instead to the incidental slot antennas in most PC's, and of course come in varying sizes that won't even do a whole city at a time.

Knowledge is in this case, really power.



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:46 | 2727979 francis_sawyer
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The type that DCFusor links here is the type that Iran claims to have...


@Dburn ~ Nobody ever accused me of working for the Rand Corporation, but I highly doubt and EMP (as the one DCFusor describes) would escalate to a nuclear retaliation...

Killing innocents & leaving a radioactive footprint (whoever is responsible for that) doesn't exactly win hearts & minds... An EMP detonation on a small scale could act as a deterrent... As if to say... "We have this, & we'll be a burr in your ass if you don't back down"... It would be a huge economic nusiance to whoever was the target of such...

& to take the hypothesis a step further... If, in fact, the Iranians have had this all along (& have never deployed it), what's the big ass worry about what they'd do if they got a nuke?

I've always believed that Iran, with it's regionality, links, & oil revenues, if it wanted, could have already of aquired dozens of nukes on the black market over the past 40 years... Therefore ~ I think all this 'hair on fire' shilling by Israel & the US is tantamount to making the excuse to do a 'regime change for oil' ousting in Iraq by huffing & puffing about WMD's...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:43 | 2728255 Uncle Remus
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EMP - another reason to be iron-sight proficient.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:00 | 2728073 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hmm, very interesting DCFusor.

+ 1 for information I had never run into.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:36 | 2727746 my puppy for prez
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You mean "Zionist Shill WND?"

I sometimes go there to observe the most hateful, ignorant, and uninformed comments on the face of the planet. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:27 | 2727697 Sudden Debt
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november through april are the only month they can attack if you remember operation claw eagle.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:26 | 2727698 Robot Traders Mom
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"When war becomes that profitable you are going to see more of it." -Chalmers Johnson, 2004

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:26 | 2727699 q99x2
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Why don't they just stike an elite family? That would put a stop to the BS with little to no damage to anyone.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:05 | 2727858 Freedom In Your...
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Because that would set the precedent for all subsequent national disputes to be hazardous to the health of the elite and their families. When that happens the people that take nations to war would have to be very careful about what they said and did and the end result would be much fewer national conflicts. Which would cut into the profit margins of those that profit from wars and destruction. Which is unacceptable.

I personally would be in favor of the idea of all national disputes being settled with a no holds barred mma match between the politicians and generals of each country involved. A lot less messy, infinitely less destruction and waste, and with the ppv profits you could probably make a pretty penny.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:32 | 2727965 YellowBrickSWE
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That has already been tried by Hitler and it did not work.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:03 | 2729145 mjcOH1
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Near miss with Quadaffi in the early 80s though.   And theres a decent argument to be made the Cubans pulled it off with Kennedy.



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:26 | 2727700 magpie
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To guarantee another four years of Obama or not to guarantee

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:27 | 2727703 gbresnahan
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Iraq is a highway direct to Iran, how convenient.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:29 | 2727711 buzzsaw99
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it also prevents a counterattack upon the coward zionists

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:36 | 2727748 ParkAveFlasher
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Does the fact that air strike routes are being discussed explicitly imply that a tomahawk barrage on nuclear sites and air defenses is out of the question?

Does the USSA have any assets floating in the Mediterranean, specifically for re-fueling the Israel strike force en route? 


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:43 | 2728009 Zwelgje
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The F-18 Super Hornets can function as tankers. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:03 | 2727844 francis_sawyer
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Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:29 | 2727707 JR
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No one calls it closer to the truth than Justin Raimondo of in today’s column, Bibi’s War.  It starts like this:

Has there ever been a more brazen display of a foreign government dragging a more powerful nation into a war not of its own choosing? I’m talking about the almost comical efforts by the Israelis to goad Washington into attacking Iran: the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu has done everything and then some to put pressure on the Obama administration to act. The latest display of overt manipulation was recently featured on Israeli television:

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ‘is determined to attack Iran before the US elections’ …

Much of what the truth is fighting can be represented by information sources such as George Friedman (Stratfor), the pro-Israeli, pro-Empire source for the neocon propaganda movement. Shouldn't Stratfor information carry a warning label?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:47 | 2727785 ArrestBobRubin
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Gosh, I wonder what explains such a dangerously disproportionate level of influence over POTUS, congress, SCOTUS, and US foreign policy by a foreign power and its so-called "interests"?

George Washington (that evil, evil white man) took great pains to warn against this nation getting involved in what he referred to as "passionate attachments" to outside influences and non-American interests.

Ya think the man had a point?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:10 | 2728379 bankruptcylawyer
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we better do what george washington says. perhaps the best video ever about gw.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:02 | 2728713 Dugald
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Yes well that's a thought, but remember you tried that back in WWII, and you got your clock cleaned at Pearl Harbour, sitting on the fence can oft be painful.

Dare I raise the old saw about those who don't learn from history...........

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:56 | 2728835 phyuckyiu
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We knew Pearl Harbor was going to happen and we did nothing, so that the Muppets would agree to a war they didn't want to be in. Please see faked Gulf of Tonkin incident, faked babies being thrown out of incubators in Kuwait, and of course the best one that almost but not quite worked, the Murder of the USS Liberty.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:54 | 2727806 BLOTTO
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A bit controversial and 'out there' info...

But interesting nonetheless...and whatever it takes to get to the truth... War: Russia vs. Israel





Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:30 | 2727716 ArrestBobRubin
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Not. Gonna. Happen.

Bet on it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:31 | 2727717 oklaboy
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and suspend US elections along the way?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:45 | 2727773 azzhatter
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I have thought about this one a lot. A strike and a few retalitory false flag attacks in the US and the election is suspended ala Giuliani in New York.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:32 | 2727729 Renewable Life
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The jury is actually IN, and the verdict has already been read within the military complex of Israel, a strike is already in motion!

This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum, it's why oil is rising everyday, people already know, and they are going to profit from it of course! Ask Nancy Pelosi abut that, for further info!

Fact: 4 US aircraft carrier groups, 1 marine battle group
Fact: Israeli population is being prepared as we speak, and have been being prepped for three weeks of more!
Fact: all the Israeli missile defense systems are being tested daily!
Fact: war is good for encumbent Presidents

I could go on for days, but the bottom line is, their will be a strike in the next 6 weeks!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:35 | 2727743 JimRogers
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And why wouldn't they fly straight over Syria?


If they are going kinetic on Iran, safe to say a proxy like Syria will get involved immediately, so this "logical" discussion lacks the most likely route.


Also, the flightpath over Iraq is by definition not "unilateral" is it would require US complicity/complacency.


The real plan is to strike from the North, from the -istans. But only after causing a few false-positives in Iran's air defence. 


We're still months away from any over kinetic action.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:50 | 2727793 ArrestBobRubin
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"And why wouldn't they fly straight over Syria?"

Easy: it's called the S-300 missle system. They'd never get to Iran.

Thank you Mr. Putin!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:24 | 2727923 Winston Churchill
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I do not think so.

Logistics, and absoluely required carrier rotation for critical maintenance either give

a window of the next three weeks, or early next year at the earliest.

It will depend entirely on Obummers internal polling as to which.

All the chess pieces are very nearly in place.

50/50 its around September 16th.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:37 | 2727751 Cynthia
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Cowards and bullies never hit someone who could hit them back. Israel is a coward bully country just like its colony, the USA. Israel hit Iran alone? Don't make me laugh. They're too scared because they'd get their butts kicked bad and they know it, nukes or no nukes.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:05 | 2727817 gdogus erectus
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Uhhh, when did the Zionist stop sacrificing Jews? I must have missed that memo.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:58 | 2727822 LasVegasDave
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Right, as opposed to those brave, heroic muslims who fly planes into buildings and blow up vegetable markets

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:15 | 2727882 CIABS
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You're a moron.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:00 | 2728844 phyuckyiu
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I see the five dancing Israelis have gotten their Hasbara Troll Alerts. Las Vegas Dave is usually a little slower than the rest, he'll get a memo about that.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:20 | 2727903 Overfed
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I've got a bridge for sale. Interested?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:53 | 2728046 Precious
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Did your momma give you permission to say that, Zionist tool?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:57 | 2728315 rwe2late
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Las Vegas Dave

spread the wealth.

what about those heroic drone 'pilots' attacking wedding parties?

or the real aviators who carpet bomb peasant villages from 3  miles up?

and really, do you believe "our side" never blows up vegetable markets, false flag or otherwise?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:17 | 2728602 madcows
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Look out Dave.  The Angry ZH Jew haters are coming to get you.

Jews caused it all, you know.  Instability in the Middle East.. Jews.  Terrorism... Jews.  Syrian civil war.. Jews.  Egyption Brotherhood... Jews.  Stoning little girls that were raped.. .Jews.

Angry ZH Trolls gonna getcha.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:30 | 2729185 freak of nature
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Don't forget to mention financial crisis... Jews. Arab Spring... Jews. BAC surcharge... Jews. Prometheus story... Jews. Windows Office Assistant... Jews. Failed carrot crops... Jews. Indigestion... Jews. Zero Hedge... Jews. Fake moon landing... Jews. Booger in my nose... Jews. 911 implosions even though they implode precisely at the points of impact... Jews. Windows 8... Jews. 3rd Reich... Jews.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 09:19 | 2729919 Precious
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You sound like a fucking moron.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 19:09 | 2728961 ArrestBobRubin
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Dave, are you really Shel Adelson?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:40 | 2728629 madcows
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Right, they can't defend themselves, so they don't deserve a defence at all.  How about Lichtenstein?  Thats a small Jewish sounding country.  Do they deserve a defence?  What's the cut off?  Korea?  Hey Kim Jong go bomb away.  You don't have the right to a defence.  Cynthia says you're too small to do it on you own, so, screw.


What about the US.  Can we defend ourselves?  No?  Well, it's good to know that you'd do nothing if Canada/Mexico developed Nukes and daily threatened to wipe us of the face of the earth while also supplying missles to Hamas so that they can daily bomb our citizens.

I have great comfort in knowing that when we are attacked you'd tell all our allies to go F themselves.  that's very self reliant of you.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 09:27 | 2729923 Precious
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Go fuck yourself.  None of that is any of America's business, and your Canada/Mexico hypothesis just proves you're a delusional, rabid, dickwad.  I'm sure your whole family is all fucked up too.  Go back to your Prosac and statins before you have a nice red heart attack.  

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:15 | 2729163 mjcOH1
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"Cowards and bullies never hit someone who could hit them back. Israel is a coward bully country just like its colony, the USA. Israel hit Iran alone? Don't make me laugh. They're too scared because they'd get their butts kicked bad and they know it, nukes or no nukes."


It's obviously a heartfelt slam.

But on the other hand israel did the shooting in 67 and 73.   So either something has changed since then, or you're underestimating what they'll do.   The Iranians probably will also.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:43 | 2727763 Stuck on Zero
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The article doesn't mention the difficult logistics of refueling.  Israel would have to position refueling tankers above convolved airspace to support strike fighter operations.  How would that be accomplished?


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:02 | 2727842 Bay of Pigs
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US air bases that surround Iran? Just a wild guess.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:03 | 2728081 Stormdancer
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Oh come on, don't exaggerate.   We don't have a navy in the Caspian Sea.  They're not COMPLETELY surrounded.


/sarc  (just in case it wasn't obvious :)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:20 | 2729261 Real Estate Geek
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How would that be accomplished?

By AWACS, GPS and trigonometry.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:44 | 2727768 goldinpenguin
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seeing that attack route over Syria makes me think Israel has been involved in fomenting unrest in Syria as a prelim to their air attack on Iran

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:53 | 2727800 ParkAveFlasher
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Jay Leno during interview on the tonight show: "...Iran is an enemy of ours..."

I wonder how many "Hollywood Morty Feingolds" were paid to write that line.

Point being, that's tantamount to a fomentation, and L.A. is a long long ways from Syria.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:59 | 2727827 ArrestBobRubin
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Talk about your Target Rich Environment: Hollywood offers splendid riches.

Want Peace? Send in the fighter-bombers!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:41 | 2728006 Precious
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The propagandists spend their lifetimes learning how to control public opinion through the media.

Fortunately the Internet allows individuals to rip away the mask of lies and expose these Zionist tools.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:36 | 2728467 azzhatter
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More importantly, what % did Jay Leno pay in taxes last year?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:19 | 2729172 mjcOH1
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Putting aside 'why', they do refer to us as 'the Great Satan'.   So their leadership does consider their country an enemy of ours, whether or not you agree with their opinion.    Or maybe orty Feingold is Aradinejad's speech writer.   It's the ultimate consipiracy.....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:45 | 2727775 HaroldWang
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So is this bullish for AMZN? Cramer says it is and it's cheap here at 300x forward earnings. Gas goes up, people will shop more from home right??

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:45 | 2727776 Kaiser Sousa
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ah, those crazy Zionist...

hell bent on their own destruction...

hey, have at it...been a long time comin.....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:00 | 2727833 LasVegasDave
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In the end it will shake out 5 million dead israelis, 70 million dead arabs/persians.

you have to expect the 10/1 kill ratio to be increased in an existential war

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 19:13 | 2728967 ArrestBobRubin
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Meaning "Israel" will be non-existant. They will have done it to themselves. Nice win!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:36 | 2729193 freak of nature
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Oh. You mean like the 6 day war and the rhetoric of the surrounding nations?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:52 | 2727797 drivenZ
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"people already know, and they are going to profit from it of course!"


or people are just buying the rumor like what happened last time this strike speculation flared. That's kind of how the market works. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:53 | 2727799 icanhasbailout
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The more talk about an Israeli strike on Iran, the less likely it will happen. Telegraphing your moves months in advance is big military no-no and the Israeli military is not run by dumbfucks.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:54 | 2727808 balz
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In democracy you have to prepare public opinion.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:24 | 2727920 Dr. Engali
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Were you asleep during the build up to the Iraq war? That took years and various admnistrations of making them  boogie man and months of building up before the grand "shock and awe" televised war. I remember the first explosion like it was yesterday. Disgusting.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:37 | 2727987 icanhasbailout
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Big difference between a full-scale war and a tactical strike. Israel isn't going to be invading Iran.


Looking at the history of tactical strikes, I can't think of one that was both telegraphed in advance and successful. Even Clinton's pointless asprin-factory bombing was a surprise attack.


More specifically to this situation, the obvious predecessor was Operation Opera, the Israeli strike on Iraq's reactor at Osirak:


Note it was a surprise attack. They didn't bluster about it for half a year beforehand.


The fact that the logistics of an Israeli strike on Iran are far more difficult make it even dumber to telegraph it. Israeli strike craft have range issues in such a mission, too, which sharply limits the options for maneuver. The prime target is in southeast Iran, not the western portion that the arrows on the chart in the article point to.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:28 | 2727944 Winston Churchill
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Or you hide it in plain sight.

So many bluffs until it isn't.

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