Is It Finally Japan's Turn?

Tyler Durden's picture

Japan is starting to heat up a little in terms of risk and we hope that Noda is watching carefully. While the strengthening trend in USDJPY and JGBs has been a long one, the last few days are starting to worry some traders and most notably, Bloomberg points out that not only are FX options the most USD bullish-biased (JPY-bearish) in seven years, swaptions have screamed to their highest in over seven months at 54bps. The growing concern that the European crisis will spread to Japan is evident in recent underperformance but these option bets support the view that the JPY strength and trade surplus arguments are much less support than they have been recently.

Swaption spreads are their highest in seven months - traders are paying more now to lock in cost of future JPY funds on the expectation of rising rates...

and at the same time, the difference in prices for puts and calls in the FX option market are the most bearishly biased in over seven years. The so-called risk-reversal is positive for the first time since 2004. The combination of the bet on JPY weakness and rates rising at the same time as ratings, fiscal sustainability, and trade surpluses come into question is rather notably concerning.

Charts: Bloomberg

Some notable sections from the Bloomberg report 'Swaption Surge Signals Euro Contagion in Yen Debt: Japan Credit' include:

Options traders are the most bearish on Japanese bonds in seven months, signaling concern that Europe’s debt crisis may spread to a market that’s been insulated by currency gains and a trade surplus.


The risk-reversal rate for one-month options on the dollar versus the yen advanced above zero for the first time in seven years, as more traders wanted the right to buy the greenback if it starts to rise.




There’s speculation that a bad gain in bond yields and yen weakness will happen simultaneously,” said Yunosuke Ikeda, head of Japan foreign-exchange research at Nomura Securities Co., the nation’s biggest brokerage. “Overseas investors may be thinking a bond slump should spread to Japan especially after it occurred in Germany.



Takahira Ogawa, Singapore-based director of sovereign ratings at S&P, said on Nov. 24 that Japan’s finances are “getting worse and worse.” S&P rates Japan at AA- with a negative outlook, compared with Germany’s AAA grade.


It “may be right in saying that we’re closer to a downgrade,” he said in an interview. “But the deterioration has been gradual so far.”




The International Monetary Fund said in a report on Nov. 23 that concerns about Japan’s fiscal sustainability may result in a “sudden spike” in bond yields.





The yen has outperformed all of its 16 major counterparts this year. The currency tends to strengthen during periods of financial stress because Japan’s export-reliant economy doesn’t need foreign capital to balance its current account.


The nation, which had the world’s second-largest current-account surplus last year after China, will see a 28 percent decrease its surplus through 2016, according to estimates from the IMF.


“There’s a possibility that bond yields will surge because of the worsening of Japan’s finances,” Hiramatsu, whose Tokyo-based company manages about $58 billion, said yesterday. “That day is coming closer, but not this year or next year.”


Following S&P's recent 'downgrade' chatter, the IMF's decidely negative perspective on fiscal sustainability, and the market action of the last week or so, it seems perhaps Noda was right to keep watching. Perhaps the sad inevitability of the real endgame of Richard Koo's balance sheet-recessionary view of Keynesianism is closer than many believe.

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Seasmoke's picture

nuclear explosions they can handle, this is much more dangerous

CPL's picture

nuclear explosions they can ignore and lie about, this is much more dangerous.


- fixed

dlmaniac's picture

Japanese style of Mark to Myth accounting: Fukushiwa not a nuclear event.

Non Passaran's picture

Gee, you can't even spell the name. Why should anyone trust you?

Camtender's picture

Kyle Bass called Japan as the next short not too long ago.

Captain Kink's picture

"Japan is a bug looking for a windshield."


Mike2756's picture

Will it play out the same as the baht back in '97?

apberusdisvet's picture

The true facts about Japan is that they are contemplating the relocation of Tokyo; perhaps millions may die within 20 years from unexplained cancers, and the top half of the main island will be unihabitable. The world's 3rd largest economy is going down fast.

Dapper Dan's picture


Some here will think this hyperbole, but not I, the gift that keeps giving.



CPL's picture

With a 24000 year long half life on will be remembered longer than the ruins of Tokyo will be around.


Börjesson's picture

Yes, of course. You read it on the internet somewhere, so it must be true.

Carlyle Groupie's picture

I heard it on The Hedge bitchez!

Dapper Dan's picture

 Borg, you read this on the internet, is this true?

On another note:

Fukushima Daiichi plant chief hospitalized

TOKYO, Nov. 28, Kyodo

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday that the head of its troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has been hospitalized and will be relieved of his post for medical treatment, effective Thursday. 

The utility declined to provide details regarding 56-year-old Masao Yoshida's illness and his accumulated radiation exposure, citing privacy, only saying that doctors have not indicated a link to radiation. His illness was detected during a recent checkup, TEPCO said.

URGENT: Japan's unemployment rate rises to 4.5% in Oct.

TOKYO, Nov. 29, Kyodo

OECD: Japan Economic Recovery Moderating Due To Strong Yen, Global Slowdown

Moderating = falling of a cliff

At the same time, it said the gross government debt load will likely rise to 230% of GDP in 2013, even if planned tax increases and spending caps are fulfilled. It said this would push Japan's public finances, already the worst among the OECD nations, further into uncharted territory.

Uncharted terrotory = holy fuck we have never,ever seen this shit, ever!  fucken A!

Overflow-admin's picture

About fukushima, follow ex-skf and enenews instead of MSM headlines.

Fukushima Worker Tweets: TEPCO told hospitalized chief to step down — “Yoshida is expected to talk about the truth when he finally becomes free”


Thanks for your translation "Moderating" and "uncharted territory". My crisis of laughing recovery also moderating... ROFL

Freddie's picture

4 shitty old GE (junk) reactors hit by a tsnami and a major earthquake with shoddy maintenance done by the Yakuza.  GE as in General Electric corrupt shitty Oba the muslim's GE.

The Japanese are pleasant people and I would not wish this on anyone but the Yakuza is all throughout their businesses and soceity.   The Russians/Ukrainians at least sacrificed hundreds of men to try to entomb Chernobyl as fast as possible.  This "clean up/fix" is like slow motion.    We do not know what is going on but we know we are being lied too.  The damn old USSR was a hell of a lot more forthcoming.

Also what is the exclusion zone at Chernobyl?  70 mile radius at least?  And it may melt though the floor there at the dead plant that is not so dead.    

NoControl's picture

Radiation = Cancer?

surely you're joking!!!!   

Zgangsta's picture

Not only is that not true, there is so little radiation in Tokyo that the governor is actively looking to import more of it from the disaster zones, and bury it within the city.



Non Passaran's picture

Haha what a bunch of crap.
The likelihood of getting a cancer from Fukushima is close to nil.

Dapper Dan's picture

Define likelihood.

I would agree that you can't get cancer from Fukushima, but you could get it from the enormous amount of radiation emanating from there.

But I read this on the internet so it must not be true.

Non Passaran's picture

Read measurement reports done by university scientists right after the incident.
Or bet against my claim by investing against my thesis. You don't have to argue with me, beat me on markets - everyone is welcome!

Au Shucks's picture

What the Hedge are you talking about?  On what basis do you make such an extraordinary claim?  Are you suggesting that the Japan double (or triple) meltdown, far bigger than Chernobyl which caused hundreds of surrounding miles of countryside to be inhabitable, is somehow contained better?  You do realize it is still in meltdown, right?  You do realize that there has been plutonium found tens of miles away, right?  You do know there was a hydrogen explosion, at least one, which spread contaminants much further than they were spread by the Chernobyl "accident"?

So, obviously I am the one missing the truth here because you put the chances at nil.  Please enlighten me so I can stop speaking out of ignorance.

(although there is sarcasm in my closing request, I do not put it beyond reason that I am misinformed... I do doubt however that you have first hand knowledge of what is or isn't happening there.  I hope you can prove me wrong, not opinion me to death)

Vlad Tepid's picture

You mean the backup governmental center/trade center to go up at the old Itami area?  That's not the relocation of Tokyo.

"perhaps millions may...."?  You sure about that?

The top half of the main island?  What about the bottom half of the top island?  I can cast aspersions on your wild claims as fast as you can pull them out of your ass.

Non Passaran's picture

So you've put all your savings in a short Japan investment?
Or you're just talking out of your ass?
I think it's the latter.

phungus_mungus's picture

growing concern that the European crisis will spread to Japan?


Is this something like the growing concern that you are going to die one day?

Manthong's picture

No problema. The US will take care of it.

Here, I already got the headline ready for them:



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DormRoom's picture

Japan is headed into a demographic death spiral, unless she opens up immigration.  Its aging population is  reaching a tipping point where there's isn't enough domestic net savings to buy Japan bonds, since the elderly will start drawing down savings at a greater rate, so she will increasingly have to go to the foreign market.  And at a debt:gdp @ 220% who will buy the bonds?  Who will buy the bonds if the the US/Europe continue monetizing, pushing upwards pressure on the Yen, leading to an export collapse, and deep recession?


And if the EZ collapses, the Yen will go higher, and lead to a  deep recession.  It's not looking so good for Japan over the next 2-10 years.


I wonder if the Fed/ECB consider the effects of their monetizing programs on Japan.  They've left her with a binary policy option.. monetize, or die. And monetizing, only kicks the can down the road a lil while before the null point is reached.


CTG_Sweden's picture



"Japan is headed into a demographic death spiral, unless she opens up immigration.  Its aging population is  reaching a tipping point where there's isn't enough domestic net savings to buy Japan bonds, since the elderly will start drawing down savings at a greater rate, so she will increasingly have to go to the foreign market.  And at a debt:gdp @ 220% who will buy the bonds?"


My comments:

Would Japan had been better off with more oversupply of labour and more unemployment? I think that you (like many others) want to fool people that the US does not have problem with oversupply of labour. The lack of current and future oversupply of labour is probably one of the strengths of the Japanese economy.

However, the Japanese government should probably have increased taxes on consumption in the past (which would have reduced the demand for labour even more) in order to reduce or eliminate the budget deficits rather than borrowing from the population. Instead of investing in government bonds, people should have been encouraged to invest in stock, probably in stock linked to growth markets in Asia. Decreased taxes on dividends would probably have decreased government revenues very little but the Japanese people would probably have benefited a lot from that.

Vlad Tepid's picture

Great response Sweden.  You put it better than I could have.

I tend to lose focus and see red when people bring up this demographic argument.  The relative scarcity of labor due to strict immigration will be one of the saving graces of Japan if it can withstand making the Faustian bargin to open the gates and irrigate the parched pyramid scheme of social welfare. 

Unlike the US and much of the "West," Japan will likely maintain it's cultural identity over the coming decades because there are no "others" to challenge the status quo.  This will also mean increased stability and strength of decision making (one would hope) in dealing with the coming crisis.  Ask the Austro-Hungarians, Soviets, and Ottomans what happens to multi-ethnic nations in tough times.  Heck even check out Rwanda or Zimbabwe.

Bicycle Repairman's picture

Japan actually has a national identity and culture, and it is more important that mere economics.  I envy them that.

sydneybound's picture

Your scarcity of labour does not answer the issues of having a group of savers looking to unload their bonds into a vacuum, with yields increasing accordingly.


I went over the FY10 Japanese budget actuals, and with 50% of their expenses covered by new debt issuance (45T yen), and 50% of their tax revenue going to debt servicing (10T yen to interest and 10T yen to rolling of debt), small increases in yields will hurt that country.


I do not see a world where non-Japanese investors will take up their bonds at current rates.  For the Japanese, 1% on bonds is better than losing money in a deflationary environment, but I cannot fathom anyone else ok with this.


Any thoughts?

Ragnar24's picture

You're right. The other posters don't seem too concerned with pesky facts. 

That somehow "scarcity of labor" is an advantage for a country with such a massive amount in liabilities is laughable.  And it's also naive to think that somehow an inverted population pyramid -- which implies that Japan's older people own Japanese bonds in their retirement -- will NOT lead to much higher rates or debt monetization down the road (when those currently at the top of the top-heavy pyramid are DEAD).

Japan's screwed. And it's not because of an aging population -- it's because those old assholes piled up the debt for a future generation to worry about.

Vlad Tepid's picture

I have not been over the actuarial details so I will defer to you guys but it is critical to understand that the liabilities Japan owes are all to itself. I have no illusions that Japan will default and much pain will come, but it will fall on the aged before the future generations have to worry about paying it...they are the ones who will default/revolt rather than be forced into the international economic maelstrom that is coming with a 200% debt to GDP ratio.  The Japanese havemore than enough reserves to protect themselves from their debt held outside the country.

For me, the only question is whether Japan will jettison it's US debt before the Fed prints it into worthlessness.  I know they are concerned about this.  I don't know if you remember or followed this but about 2 or 3 years ago, the Italian police caught two undercover Japanese Finance Ministry agents trying to sneak into Switzerland with billions in paper Treasuries from back when the US actually issued paper - the 50s and 60s.  Japan's been trying to get rid of this stuff on the sly without starting apanic as I'm sure other countries are as well.  (BTW, the paper and the agents disappeared from an Italian immigration cell leaving the Italians fuming - they had rights to a percentage of the seizure.)

Because of Japan's demographic age curve and peculiar financials, they went through their Lost Decade 2 decades before everyone else. They will, I believe, hit their "gaman dekinai" - "I can't take it any more" moment before everyone else too.  While they notionally respect their elders, they will - and the elders in question if I read the culture right - will not take the country down with them.  The Japanese geezers don't cling to their Social Secutiry the way Europeans and North Americansseem to. It is sacrosanct but not sacred.  Japan always seems to hit the fire hard but then come out stronger.  Not to get mystical, but this will be one of those time...however, the hurt will get worse first.

Uchtdorf's picture

But one must not forget that Japan had its own long era of internal struggles called Sengoku Jidai. The first use of "gaijin" was towards other natives of those islands who were found not speaking the right dialect.

Uchtdorf's picture

No girlfriend? No worries. Well, other than there won't be enough Japanese workers to support all those folks who live into their 90s there.

61% have no immediate prospects for marriage.


kaiserhoff's picture

Good points, Svede.  The US has an oversupply of ghetto and government, but it's been so long since we had free markets, I don't think anyone knows whether we have an oversupply of labor.

Freddie's picture

Swedes and other nordic countries, except Finland, have let others in thanks to the left.  See muslim Malmo.  The nutty shooter in Norway said that once peaceful Oslo is filled with violent Muslims.  The nordics are not dumb enough to elect them to run/ruin their country yet like the red white  and blue.

I have walked the streets of cities in both countries pre islamics and they were very safe.

As far as the Japanese.  Their efforts to protect their culture are admirable but they have to reproduce.  People can talk labor this and that but when more are dying then being born it is a death spiral.  Eventually people like China start getting ideas.   Putin is trying to reverse the demographic death spiral to keep China from taking over Russia in a few decades.  

Ragnar24's picture

Not sure how you jumped to that conclusion (that Dormroom thinks US does not have a greater supply of labor than demand for it). 

He/she is arguing that JAPAN has a DEBT/UNFUNDED LIABILITY problem that only massive growth in the population of workers could possibly support (as with any good Ponzi scheme) because its people are old as shit, retiring, and collecting their entitlements.  Also, an extraordinary jump in the demand for Japanese goods/services would also help.

Either way, the massive amount of debt can't be magically lifted off the shoulders of the diminishing population of young Japanese workers -- Japan will have to hyperinflate or increase tax revenues (without raising tax rates that would cripple the incentive to earn an income).

SDRII's picture

Agree the money supply growth has to keep up with population growth arguments die with contraction. Take not eof the hard push to open the Japan Ag markets by the US. Noda agreed but with minority support within his own party - then again he backed into the job. In a related note see article on French judge throwing out the GMO (Monsanto) suit (and the US Ambassador comments via trade war with France over GMO per the info op Wiki). By the way didn;t some Japanese national get arrested with a backpack full of bonds? Same formula, again and again and again. Who will break the cycle?


SDRII's picture

Noda just sent putin a letter....

Contents of the letter are not known, but Koichiro Watanabe, a lawmaker of Noda's Democratic Party of Japan, told reporters that the letter reflects the Japanese premier's strong willingness to strengthen exchanges between the two nations.

Jack Burton's picture

Agree! I am sick of the "we must have population growth to have a viable economy crap".  The Black Death swept Europe and killed millions, when the death ended, the lack of labor and oversupply of good farm land was the cause of great rises in people's wages, ability to own land and a general boom time for average people. But the elites were unhappy as they found good serfs and slaves hard to come by. Why? Too many well off farmers and well paid artisans.

It is complete crap the idea that a society and economy can not prosper in a declining population. Japan would be a complete economic success story if half as many people were living on Japan's resources in a 100 years time.


sydneybound's picture

cough. except for that little pesky problem called debt.

chindit13's picture

I see your point, but I am not sure the positives outweigh the negatives.  The plus side of a demographic pyramid is the ability to fund the savings and retirement Ponzi (corporate pension, Kampo, Yucho).  The negative side, or rather the problems of the  inverted demographic pyramid, is trying to make up for the astonishing level of underfunding or, in the case of Kampo and Yucho, the non-existence of a substantial portion of these schemes owing to bizarre accounting and the mid-1990s "PKO" of the equity market.  As the Bell Curve shifts, we'll see, as retirees attempt to draw down the nominal funds in their Yucho account.

A national identity might have some benefits, but when even Japanese don't want to be Japanese, it has a few drawbacks.  Look at the percentage of Japanese women of marrying age who are neither married nor interested in being mothers of the next Yamato generation.  I have seen figures that upwards of 40% of 20-35 year old Japanese women are unmarried non-mothers.  The fertility rate is the second lowest in the OECD (Italy is No 1), but Japan might take the lead this year.  We've reached Peak Japanese at a time when somebody needs to fund the deficit and pay into the pension scheme.  That someone is going to have to be foreigners, since combined savings (now negative on a yearly basis) and corporate profits no longer cover Japanese Government expenses.  Maybe foreigners will "diversify" into those not so attractive current JGB yields, but it is far from a certainty.

I wonder---regarding your argument of a declining labor base as being a plus---if the same argument can be made of the US manufacturing base in a world of peak oil and economic (demand) slowdown, plus overcapacity?  Did the US actually export one of its problems to China?  Does the writedown of plant and capacity the US has already achieved lay the groundwork for creating brand spanking new cutting edge and energy efficient plant and equipment if or when a new economic growth cycle begins, while China will be stuck paying for low cap-util dinosaurs?

Vengeance's picture



Funny that I read this article on ZH after I sent this to my clients today (and then I read an article a little while ago on Reuters carrying a brief piece on Japan):

"I was just saying yesterday that I wonder when traders will start targeting Japan due to their estimated 492% overall total debt to GDP (source: Mckinsey) putting  them just behind the UK who comes in first at 495% (owing in some part to its large and growing financial sector).

Exacerbating Japan’s debt woes are the deteriorating population demographics (over half its population are over 45) and unlike many other G7 nations Japan has a poor immigration policy in part due to their inherent xenophobic nature (trust me I lived there for half a decade and know this first hand). With an aging population the major fallout has been declining tax revenues over the last 15 or so years even as expenditures on social security items like pensions & health care have doubled over the same period. Not to mention savings being dipped into by retirees to fund living expenses which means a lower saving rate that has been on the decline for a few years now.

Some argue Japan has lots of room to raise taxes, and I would concur that this is true being that they have one of the lowest tax revenues as a percentage of GDP (17%) in the OECD countries and that their ratio of tax burden to national income at 22% (12.3 percent for national tax and 9.7 percent for local tax) is also among the lowest, but the issue is that it’s the old people who vote in Japan and they are not on board with any tax hikes in any way shape or form. So we can probably take this off the table in the short to medium term as from the time I spent over there, politicians will not make any tough choices at odds with being reelected (sounds like most countries really). But I do think that this is potentially why JGBs trade at such low interest rates, the room to hike tax rates if the situation becomes dire enough.

Another reason for JGB stability is often touted as the massive household assets (300% of GDP) compared to public debt. This reason seems to be the most popular explanation as to why so many believe that Japan is different - its strong and very high household assets. In addition, the make-up of Japan’s debt is quite different from many other countries in that most of its debt is held domestically (around 94%) and therefore unlikely to face the squeeze that many European countries are and have been seeing as markets have frozen them out or demanded higher rates due to their perceived riskiness.

Yet this can only last so long as public debt is slowly catching up with household assets. Eventually, Japan's mounting levels of gov’t debt, namely public debt (IMF 2010 est. 225% - note that the UK is est. 76.7%) will top household assets and I think that the perception that this will happen is more important than the actual fact.

Also, people have argued that the use of Gross Debt is misleading, and that does have some merit. But the point is that you owe what you owe, and netting it out assumes that whoever owes you money is going/willing/able to pay when it comes due. That is why I prefer the gross number over net numbers. But for full disclosure, Japan’s net debt of 130% (subtracting from the gross the $3.3 trln in ‘assets’) is roughly in line with Greece’s; the point is that many believe debt/gdp ratios over 90% have strongly negative implications on growth.

I think that investors (mainly Japanese) are suffering from Ostrich Syndrome where they stick their heads in the ground and believe all is fine and dandy despite reality, and the wake up call for them is likely to be when Japan starts running a negative current account balance for more the two consecutive quarters, and/or household assets are eclipsed by government debt, and/or inflationary pressures start mounting, but at this point all are seemingly not imminent...

Nevertheless, investors will eventually realize JGBs are no safer than Spanish or Italian bonds (not a truly accurate comparison, but you get my point) and then we’ll see domestic demand weaken (bid-to-covers being the leading indicator here) as the domestic buyers of JGBs are not quiescent any longer. I believe this will and is slowly starting to happen and will be the key point to the turning of fortunes in the JGB market.

These domestic investors will, especially with a strong yen, begin to look more earnestly overseas for higher yielding returns and the reason I believe they haven’t done so in droves yet is that Japanese tend to be more inward looking, more likely to invest domestically than in the perceived risky global market place, and to some degree, I think they feel obligated to support their gov’t and thereby neighbours by investing in JGBs. Perhaps it’s also that they feel there is no other place to invest, which might tie into the perception of risk… That said, the party doesn’t last forever and Japan will eventually have to tap into the global debt market and sell more debt externally and when this happens, I expect yields to rise for a number of reasons.

Investors are realizing that there is no such thing as ‘risk free’ debt, they are doing more due diligence when it comes to which gov’ts they are willing to lend to, and to me, one of the more important reasons is that inflation has to be taken into account when investing in debt instruments. If an investor faces a higher inflation rate (food and energy prices will keep climbing and every country will face these pressures), then debt they will invest in (other things being held constant) will have to offer a higher return being: (domestic) inflation rate + opportunity cost + risk adjusted return.

Circling back to higher yields, we start getting into a negative feedback loop that as yields move higher so too does the cost of servicing the debt. It is costing Japan something around 50% or so of its tax revenues to service its debt and with uber low interest rates if yields rose from current ~1.00% to 2-3% the interest expense would start to become a huge burden. Higher than 3% - 3.5% and likely the interest expense starts accounting for more than revenues. So as that interest expense becomes an ever increasing percentage of gov’t outlays, then the market demands higher yields to compensate for the increasing riskiness of that debt.

We’ve seen this happen already, and Japan is no different. They’ve just been lucky enough to have the right mix of ingredients for the last twenty years, but I believe the recipe is changing right under their noses.

Turning to flows, real money has been selling yen but at the same time investors have been net buyers of JGBs but it does appear that all the things mentioned above are slowly coming to the attention of larger macro investors. So is Japan the next country (with France a prime candidate also) in the cross hairs? Well it’s certainly to early to say that traders are locked and loaded gunning for Japan, but I’d be keeping my eye on demand (like at this Thursday’s 10-yr auction) for JGBs because if we start seeing foreign demand weaken, then likely domestic demand will catch on and start nosing around as to why and we could be witnessing the start of Japan entering the sovereign debt crisis.

So far yields on 10-yr JGB (Japanese Government Bonds) have poked above Sept 2nd’s high and are flirting with support turned resistance from the May/July consolidation area before yields broke lower. A weak auction on Thursday could see yields heading back to 1.18% area in short order with the next target being the 1.34% area. The last time Japanese yields on the 10-yr were above 2% was in 2006 so that 2% area is going to be a harbinger of things to come if we see yields close above there.

Point is that although Japan has some severe fiscal/debt issues, the time hasn't yet come to bet the farm against them. It will though. We'll keep you posted"


chump666's picture

The EU has collapsed it's now a zombie.  The EUR has like maybe half a yr of life in it...then it is gone.  The big worry, huge, if the Fed prints.  I don't think the ECB will.  It will be the FED, they will do something different with their printing presses.  Whether they flood, trillion +, USD's into the global economy. Swap lines from hell.  That seems more likely.  If Japan goes you can 100% guarantee that the US taxpayer will bailout Japan via the IMF, but if the FED  go utterly more insane and devalue the USD...Japan will crumble and China will step to the play.   Japan goes into a crisis and the YEN peaks, exports are destroyed.  Can't see China sitting back and saying, 'lets allow Japan to economically sink'

Not looking good at all

saturno_v's picture

Someone can please explain to me the technical breaking points of a Central Bank (in this case Japan), buying all the public debt necessary in the market to keep a lid on rising interest rates which would crush the sovereign ability to pay?? How long they could do this and what eventually snap?? The currency?? Triggered by commercial partners (public or private) at some point refusing to do business in that currency (loss of faith = hyperinflation)?? We all know that Keynesians believe that CB can print as much as they want as long as there is no growth (no money velocity = no inflation)....however hyperinflation is very different from inflation...loss of confidence can appear suddenly....

disabledvet's picture

given that the current head of Bank of Japan is considered quite the neophyte there is a concern that the process of weakening the yen in an orderly fashion may not be carried out successfully. We know for a fact that when Switzerland tried it they lost billions of francs and only recently finally "hammered that thing." In Japan they have already failed to weaken the the fear is you could get "too much a big bang the other way" thus leading to a "chaotic situation." Sending a letter asking for advice to the banks on how to "do this" which the BOJ has done is...quite frankly...terrifying.

Yen Cross's picture

 Yes the institutional players are selling JGB's. Yes Toyota needs a 91 usd/yen break even. I just can't get past KAMPO and the savings rate S/T. Trading yen on the crosses is risky business. All the risk currencies are one mushroom away from implosion, unless you trade some small sovereign. I won't mention names.  I'll lightly trade the crosses into January.

  My level of risk in the yen is is several hundred pips away. Confirmation, confirmation, confirmation! Light liquidity in December is just chasing a quota.

Carlyle Groupie's picture

Who here is going to run out and short JGB's? Remember what Kyle said?

Schmuck Raker's picture
I'm tempted. Here's a new product: Powershares Db Inverse Japanese (JGBS)