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It Is Getting Difficult To Tell What Is Moving The Market...
From Peter Tchir of TF Market Advisors
It Is Getting Difficult To Tell What Is Moving The Market...
...but if Fitch changing the outlook from positive to stable on Bulgaria, Czech, Lativa, and Lithuania can push us down 0.5% then if you are long, you need to be putting on some sort of a hedge. I'm not a big fan of puts, and maybe this isn't the news that caused the market to go down, but if it is, then that is scary.
It is Fitch, not Moody's or S&P.
It is outlook, not an actual rating.
It was from positive to stable.
It is on countries that are relatively off the radar screen.
Until S&P does something to follow up on its changes last week, you need to be very careful. With moves like this, there is no way that a French and EFSF downgrade is priced in.
The other headline I caught was Merkel and ESM not being increased. Okay, but I didn't really know it was being increased? That wasn't in the statement from last week.
Again, maybe we get QE3, maybe we get money from the IMF, but the reality is we are more likely to get Sovereign Debt downgrades, and with how thin this market is, the move could be fast and brutal.
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Want to know what moves the markets? Simple, follow the money and simply find out who is buying and selling. But I digress, this is a stupid fucking question.
Prosecute the fucking fraud already. Until then, I suggest everyone protect their wealth by any means necessary. Time to get physical on many levels.
US gov't bankstas move the market. No one else.
It's all a lie. Peter's question is pointless.
You rang?
Yes - it's all pointless!
Hence, my name.
yeah, he pretty much could've stopped typing after that first sentence.
It's a run on the brokerage and commodity houses.
The total lunar eclipse over the weekend:
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/12/bob-prechter-on-breakout.html
Of course.
Market analyst Steve Puetz discovered:
now that avatar is not pointless.. I'd say its rather pointy.
There are no markets, there are only interventions.
Hey Pete;
Read the prior ZH posts, ie. Iran, then Germany, then you wont have to speculate on Latvia's butterfly effect
Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland were about to sign a 5Billion nuclear power plant to be built in Lithuania. Poland just bailed out. It looks like the deal may be off (if a downgrade comes) which plays into the hands of the Russians to supply natural gas and dictate terms.
Whats the big 'mystery' about what moves the markets? Programmed robots do, fed by commands from Bernank.
Plunge protection team... rumor is that CNBC isn't even allowed to report on it.
I heard it's a big fat guy in a red suit with 12 reindeer. Except I believe he's front-running yule logs.
This market is a joke.
I agree, expect to be junked for speaking the truth.
or for other reasons
I am 100% physical and watch my value drop everyday as the Banking gangsters and Bernanke along with the criminal enterprise at the CME do all they can to crush the only real store of value for over 5000 years. They have convinced the US sheep that USD (confetti) and Us Treasuries issued by an insolvent goverment have changed the past 5000 years of history and now fiat paper is the answer.
PMs ... the original buy and hold product. I see it to, but I am not worried as I have zero plans to try and liquidate until the other side of the inevitable monetary reset.
I am 100% physical and watch my value drop everyday as the Banking gangsters and Bernanke along with the criminal enterprise at the CME do all they can to crush the only real store of value for over 5000 years.
I am 100% physical and watch as the Banking gangsters and Bernanke along with the criminal enterprise at the CME do all they can to make it even cheaper by the day to increase my stash while I'm waiting for that day that their paper ponzi comes to an end...
There... Fixed it for you...
Agreed... it should be considered a buying opportunity. These $200 fluctuations at this level will seem like chump change in the years ahead.
As long as you have income stream for your essentials, not to worry. Your wealth is secure.
Trust the laws of physics: The law of connected vessels where water eventually reaches its true level, thermodynamics (entropy), gravity where anything being artificially levitated will crash to earth and mathematics where numbers don't lie.
There are many others, if anyone cares to remind us.
What is moving the market?
A random number generator. It is prompted to kick out a number upon each headline input. It doesn't matter what the headline is.
Its the euro, no floor left
Investing is like driving a car with Agent K
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5unKNLcj8P8
.. and you may want to put on a seat belt ..
Investing? What's that?
'Investing' is now buying guns, ammo, food, water....etc.
The market isn’t doing anything that a claustrophobic bipolar epileptic with PTSD who’s strung out on meth and locked in a dark closet with a strobe light and a lit string of firecrackers wouldn’t do.
"'Investing' is now buying guns, ammo, food, water....etc."
+1. It used to be that only the wack jobs thought this way. Turns out they weren't that wacky after all. It's coming boys, get ready.
It USED to 'used to' be that the only real 'INVESTING' around were to own all of those things...
Glad to see some seem to be coming back to their senses...
The move probably has something to do with this headline: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-13/fed-seen-revising-zero-rate-ple...
the fed's word is shit.
mean reversion algo circle jerk. ending in the red today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcrsEXxnzI0
Zerohedge is moving the market. At least today with the Hormuz-rumours.
something big is going down and until somebody in the mainstream media accidentally admits it,us thinking people are left to try and try and put the pieces together about what is really happening. Yes I told 3 people that Iran had closed the straits today so I feel a bit daft.
Fanatic said: "Zerohedge is moving the market. At least today with the Hormuz-rumours."
I'm afraid my confidence of zerohedge just got bumped down a notch or two on that sensationalistic get-it-out-cuase-it-will-boost-ratings(page hits) type headline. But hey, it was ransquawks that started it right?
(sorry, I needed to vent)
You are correct. It was also Iran, Bloomberg and the 5th US Fleet that refuted it:U.S. FIFTH FLEET SAYS NO INDICATION OF DISRUPTIONS IN HORMUZ -BBG
As much as we want to believe we move the market by that extent, we don't.
But feel free to vent.
All RanSquawk did was report that it was moving the market...
QE3, lolz. The bastard Bernank keeps spouting bs about employment; well guess what its at 8.6 so he STFU and eat my ass. How do they justify another QE with employment going down.
Yes all is WELL in the land! Unemployment down, constant news that there will be NO recession...they did all the math and sealed and stamped it as fact! Yet....'QE3' on the tip of everyones tongue, just itching to be sprung loose at the slightest little sign of red anywhere in the markets.
Just preposterous.
Real unemployment/underemployment numbers are closer to the 20's. 21-25% dependent on the sources and what you factor in. The uneployment figures the Fed is feeding everyone are utter bullshit, and we know it. Unemployment numbers based on filings for unemployment compensation or persons receiving unemployment compensation are utter nonesense. You factor in those who no longer qualify (their benefits ran out, so they are no longer able to collect) those who have goven up trying to collect (they have been denied 3 times, so no further filings), or those that found some kind of revenue stream (most likely well below what they were earning at their last position) and you get real numbers.
Is anyone still confused about what's happening in China? 'Cause it be crashing.
Just a thought.
The dollar just broke above 80, when confidence goes, the markets are toast.
Live by the tiny rumor, then DIE by the tiny rumor!
With Retail / Consumer Discretionary stocks finally leading the way down. We may finally see some real momentum today.
it's all a massively manipulated, rigged game. get the fuck out of it.
there will be no 'real' price discovery until it all comes to a halt.
The machines are moving the market.
You can't make butter without the churn.
The volatility is created to benefit the machines, not on fundamentals.
Reality is noise, volatility is reality, HFT making money on volatility they create rotating and churning in and out of sectors and classes faster than anyone else.
Just look at the way the markets pop and drop, gold and silver and oil oscillate, bonds, equities.
Everyone and everything else is chasing their tail.
Uhhhhhhhh, buying and selling looking for yield into year-end.
http://vegasxau.blogspot.com
Algos
This market roller coaster ride isn't fun anymore.
Yea it ends same as Mr BoneStripper.
Nothing But Trouble: "Mr. Bonestripper" - YouTube
ttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-13/fed-seen-revising-zero-rate-pledge-as-...
Fed May Revise Zero-Rate Vow as Bond-Buying Need Fades
It isn't a 'market' simple as that
im sorry ir was i , a client had 500 shares of IBM to sell
it's computer algo trading.
This is getting annoying now. QE never stopped! It's everywhere you look, they just aren't telling you, the game has gone underground to avoid a dollar crash. They realised we were getting savvy on these blogs so they proceeded to do it by stealth, IMHO. Look around you ZIRP until 2013, us dollar swap deals reduced by 50 bp, allowing euro banks to pledge shit in return for credit for 3 years, that is QE3 in anything but a name. It all used to be so easy QE1, QE2 was simple enough for even me to understand, now it's got so convoluted, the game has increased in complexity and the bastards have us running around, all the while it's business as usual for these psychos!
+1
Just a rumor now to get a Pavlovian response to dump stocks higher.
Why do you play their game?
The Matrix.
Around 10:30 AM, gold started going straight up and then turned down sharply, just as it did on thursday.
Thursday, the FED,BOE, and the BIS sold gold outright to move the gold market down. I highly suspect
the same intervention is taking place now. A sharp rise in the gold price is a clear sign of a loss of confidence
in the markets, and since confidence is +90% of the market, central banks feel compelled to keep the illusion
of confidence at any cost. Because central banks are openly intervening in the gold market now instead of masking
their moves through second parties, they appear more desperate. This would leave me to conclude that we are
getting closer to a financial crises than most pundits are indicating.
is essential to onward movement of the digesta and excreta. Absence leads to lack of absorption, accumulation of fluid and gas, and development of paralytic ileus. Now, if you'll excuse me ... got to go "drop a deuce".
just asked Siri, what moves the market?
Answer: I can't look for places in your country...
Happy she did not answer 42
You fools,
Dont you know the markets move in conjunction with the color of Donald Trump's urine sample?
I've made BILLIONS with this knowledge just in the last 2 months.
It's extremely easy to tell what is moving the markets; I keep saying it: headlines! Indicators are useless, technical analysis is useless, fundamental analysis is useless--we are in an entirely headline driven market. What this shows is short-sigtedness on the part of investors.
"...and with how thin this market is, the move could be fast and brutal".
Yes, and one of the reasons it is thin, I would posit, is because of the withdrawal of investor funds and people being sick of the intervention and manipulation (gold and silver anyone?).
DavidC
What moves the market? simple question!
Bernanke.
Did you mean simple answer?
I'm gonna lulz when the Franco-German driven austerity measures start to hit in Italy, especially after they see these numbers:
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2011/12/italy-more-work-hours-than-germany-france.html
Yeah, that's gonna go over well.
There is no Market Force other than which Rothschild inc etc allow you Tyler/Us/Sheeple...the debate is age old....