Italian 10 Year Bond Auction Prices At Record, Over 6%

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Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:53 | 1820224 Irish66
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Portugal is very ugly, GDP

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:07 | 1820266 jdelano
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When is the market going to realize that MS now has massive and basically completely unhedged exposure to Europe?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:15 | 1820290 disabledvet
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at the same time they realize they've hedged it via the entire French Banking Industry. Perhaps her name was Charlotte? Or maybe it was just Duke.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:54 | 1820225 Ghordius
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well, those bonds should be only of interest to Italian and French citizens and banks

I'd be very careful with them, both long and short. particularly if you want to go short

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:01 | 1820249 French Frog
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this should be bullish as it will soon lead to another EU meeting (we haven't had one for a couple of days now) and they will replace 'trillion+' with 'trillions' in the communique and everything will be rosy forever after lol

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:11 | 1820263 Ghordius
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got to have an EU meeting "fix", eh?

Angie and Sarko meetings in the night do wonders for the economy

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:07 | 1820264 gojam
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But obvious really.

The Eurozone should have foreseen that if you make CDS pointless investors are going to want  higher interest to cover the extra risk

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:15 | 1820289 Ghordius
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which is an "hawkish" move, by the way

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:28 | 1820325 Esso
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Well, I say it's a "unicornish" move.

"Pass" the Skittles.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:02 | 1821123 Ghordius
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well, we are in a "unicornish" transitional phase

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:38 | 1820363 Cursive
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The Eurozone should have foreseen that if you make CDS pointless investors are going to want  higher interest to cover the extra risk

Great point, but that was expecting a lot from a group of financial illiterates who are more interested in navel gazing and political kickbacks than they are at making good policy.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:43 | 1820379 gojam
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Funny you should say that Cursive.

Originally, I wrote "The Eurozone must have foreseen" but I had the same thought as you and I quickly edited it to "should have foreseen"

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:17 | 1820296 disabledvet
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I took note that the Bank for "International Settlements" has a couple hundred tons of gold as well.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:54 | 1820226 Cassandra Syndrome
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But, but Von Rumpuy and Barruso said everything is now fixed. This is nonsense.....


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:55 | 1820229 Implicit simplicit
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Yeah, why own Italian, Spanish, Irish and Portugal bonds when Greece gets the break and guarantees and they don't,

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:09 | 1820272 Ghordius
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well, they do get support - the ECB will "bash" too low positions from time to time to "break" speculation, and then the EFSF will take over and then the ESM will take over and then we will have a new plan for a plan for a plan for...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 09:31 | 1820531 Implicit simplicit
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True, but they will have to do a lot of bashing if they are not going to honor the insurance CDS. ....and the painted ponies go round and round, we're all captured on the carousel of spiraling leveraged debt. no exit

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:55 | 1820230 HD
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Now how did that happen? It's a mystery I tells ya...a real head scratcher.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:56 | 1820232 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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I don't understand why ANYONE would lend ANY GOVERNMENT their wealth...


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:13 | 1820280 Bartanist
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Yes, of course. However, the hand that gives is above the hand that receives.

So, who actually has enough money to buy enough of the debt to make a difference for the government and hence purchase the loyalty (err soveriegnty) of the government? It is not "we, the people". It can only be banks who create their money out of thin air and have no practical limit to the amount of money and debt they fabricate.

Very little of the money given to lying, cheating, scummy governments/politicians comes from people who save ... and that is the biggest part of the problem. The whole world has been corrupted by the banks' and bankers' ability to fabricate fiat, put their tax on the world and then embezzle and bribe.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:19 | 1820299 disabledvet
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"You're welcome."

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 09:41 | 1820559 tarsubil
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Exactly, my first question is who the heck is buying this shit?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:56 | 1820233 Mitch Comestein
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Lets play acronym hangman.  Let's see.  We have a G already.  The next letter has to be I.  We will have G. I.  What comes after that.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:16 | 1820294 HD
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a HUGE enema...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:58 | 1820235 ArkansasAngie
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I think we may actually be hitting a road bump. 

If you're trying to manipulate a market and suckers refuse to be patsies, then the fraudsters are just trading money amongst themselves.

The first stage of fiat destruction ... folks aren't willing to take it in echange.

"They" may have fooled 70% of the people ... but that 71% to 98% of the people have got their fingers on their noses.

Not with my money arsehole.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:57 | 1820237 GerritB
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but but but but but.......they fixed everything......?

this is getting ugly...

the can is now officially a rock that hurts if you want to kick it!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:59 | 1820242 Bartanist
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This is of course not unexpected when the goal is to make it seem as is the individual countries cannot go it alone and need to "willingly" cede their power and sovereignty to a central European bank and central bank controlled European goverment.

... in the end, the muppets who have been put in charge of the various countries will have it assigned as their jobs to do what politicians always do: "sell out their constituency" for the benefit of the elitist oligarchy.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:59 | 1820243 Christoph830
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Just goes to show that sometimes the best course of action is no action. Greece should have been left to fail. That would have incentivized the Italians to implement actual austerity.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:15 | 1820287 Bartanist
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... and yet, there is a difference between austerity and sensibility. The problem with austerity is that the wrong people suffer.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:18 | 1820300 Christoph830
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One more thing: In negotiations, you are supposed to over-demand and then settle somewhere in the middle. By only asking Greek creditors for a 21% haircut the first time and now 50%, the ECB has lost all leverage going forward because the next time Greek creditors are approached for a further haircut (which is inevitable), they are going to point to the first two rounds of cuts and say "no more!". Colossal misjudgment.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:30 | 1820322 Tuffmug
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Next haircut will be 100% via guillotine! Wonder how they will spin that one as voluntary??

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:59 | 1820244 Dick Darlington
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Spain unemployment rose to 21,5% in Q3 according to figures released today.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:02 | 1820253 Ghordius
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does not scare me

what scares me is the youth unemployment which is some 40%

still, you have to take it with a grain of salt, lots of submerged economy in Spain, otherwise the millions of North Africans that help in agriculture would have to be counted, too...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:05 | 1820260 Dick Darlington
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Yep, the youth UE figures are worrisome and it's not just in Spain. Many other economies in Europe face the same problem even if the "general" UE figures are more decent than Spain's.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:10 | 1820274 littleguy
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Youths revolt, old fogies have assets to fall back on.

Watch unrest kick in, EU-member national governments fail, austerity switched off because socialist / communist / green parties get voted in, and within 1 year €uro "ist kaput". Germany leaves, France fails, depression --> potential for civil wars in outlying countries. War might be hard to predict at this stage, but the fiesty southern Europeans have it in them to kick up a serious fuss. It's textbook.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:20 | 1820281 Ghordius
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most of this I see as pure propaganda and wishful thinking

mostly to keep eyes off USD and GBP

and mostly from people who have no clue about the EZ

but hey, some are heavily into a strong dollar for december, so hedge accordingly

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 07:59 | 1820245 Kokulakai
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The deeds of the EU shall repay in kind.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:01 | 1820250 PaperBear
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"European leaders agreed new steps to tackle the debt crisis."

Italian bonds set record 6%, looks well tackled this debt crisis, not.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:05 | 1820258 Ghordius
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somehow this also fails to scare me

had some 'talians in '83 at 16%

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:11 | 1820276 littleguy
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they also had Lira then.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:13 | 1820284 Ghordius
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which, at one time, was one pound of silver

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:36 | 1820357 Great Unwashed
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Interest rates were high back then. The US 10yr yielded 14% in '83. This is not at all the same.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:07 | 1820267 A Man without Q...
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Of course, what has been glossed over is that Germany and France demanded Italy take meaningful action, and the Italians made a couple of promises - raise retirement age by two years, but gradually over 14 year; and sell some state assets - which is going to save, €5bn per annum.  Now, when you've got €1.3 trillion of debt, does that seem meaningful?

Anyway, it's no big deal, Sarko's mates made so much money from the recent rally, I am sure they can bail everyone out... 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:04 | 1820257 El Gordo
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I can't believe that you all are still talking about this stuff.  Don't you know the crisis is over - just look at what the stock market did yesterday.  No problem, go back to sleep.  Smarter people that us are working overtime to take good care of us.  (Just because you see their hand in your wallet doesn't mean they intend to take it all, does it?)

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:05 | 1820259 bernorange
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Uh Oh Spaghetti-Ohs...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:05 | 1820261 The Axe
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Positive  somehow I guess, This news flow that shows the flood, only leads to a higher Euro and stronger equity markets....It leaves the brain frozen in a state of disbelief.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:06 | 1820265 lemosbrasil
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Return line of that trendline broken in august was tested yesterday !! Yeah !!! It seems crazy, but they were there !!! TEST return line !!!!

See here !! :

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:10 | 1820273 melanie
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And there goes Portugal: Europe's rescue euphoria threatened as Portugal enters 'Grecian vortex

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:13 | 1820282 melanie
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The Economist: Euro rescue has more holes than a Swiss cheese

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 08:20 | 1820285 Tuffmug
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Why buy new issue bonds now when you can wait till ESFS up and running and gives you 20% insurance. Euro zone shooting themselves in the foot, creating two classes of bonds, one with and one without insurance, and destroying the CDS market. Merkel, Sarkozy, et. al. should be required to wear clown makeup in public.

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