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The Italian Bond Maginot Line Has Just Been Pushed Back By 100bps

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Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:09 | 1833606 ZeroPower
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Looks like a FRA dgrade would indeed be the end of the road for Italy in the case of this blended AAA benchmark.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:27 | 1833709 Ruffcut
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The only thing that is truly AAA is the full amount of utter and uber bullshit.

The Ruffcut Rating System has now established that major stool sits and shits are all granted full AAA ratings. ANything is everything and everything is a whole lot of shit.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 16:19 | 1834044 UK debt marsh
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Nope, it would narrow spread.  Therefore all good!

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:10 | 1833611 lapedochild
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rules are annoying, got to change them when it suits your purpose better

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:25 | 1833698 101 years and c...
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so, they changed the target so when its met, its even much more painful.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:12 | 1833613 lolmao500
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How come :


Italy 10-year spread .IT10:IND  442.20

Anyway this is total BS.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:13 | 1833628 vote_libertaria...
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It depends on what your definition of 'is' is.

(Was that the Clinton quote?)

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:15 | 1833646 nonclaim
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Whoever proposed this "blended AAA sovereign benchmark" should be getting at least a thank you note from Merkozy.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:16 | 1833652 bluehorsesandal
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So now the way save Italy and make a 'shock and awe' impression is to sell short France and Dutch bonds...

What a joke 

France is AAA exactly in the same way as MF Global was investment grade not too long ago...

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:17 | 1833656 Belarus
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they''ll add someone else to the mix if yields on French and Holland bonds continue to go higher. Perhaps they'll add.......hmmmmmm, let's see, just perhaps Japanese bonds or USA's at 1 or 2% respectively.

Ah....doesn't matter, the market will call them out anyway. 

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:20 | 1833672 Belarus
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Shit...I had that backwards, they'll add Spanish and someone else that is junk. 

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:22 | 1833683 knukles
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Add MF Global.  Just call 'em sovereign and that should do it.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:20 | 1833675 Dr. Engali
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Keep moving the goal posts.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:24 | 1833679 knukles
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Fucking Fraud


Ya' realize that all this rule changin' shit bein' done with the blatantly tacit approval of the "Gubamints of the Wole Woild, Augie" meanin's best be gettin' short all them Ponzi Fiats, folks.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:21 | 1833680 lolmao500
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Save Italy... make the interest on the bonds of France, Germany and Holland go up... BRILLIANT.

What happens when France is downgraded? It'll only be Germany and Holland?

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:42 | 1833772 floor
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Maybe they should go up, Germany has got an enormous amount of obligations in the form of pensions that are not mentioned anywhere and Holland has got his own private crisis in the form of being the country with the most morgage debt of the world.

The fact that the people in Holland have to contribute most, apart from Luxembourg, per person to the ESFS because we are supposed to be wealthy, is ridiculous, we are loaded with private debt.


Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:23 | 1833690 Belarus
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Oh....don't forget the power hour ramp by the ALGO's. All is well...

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:28 | 1833712 Cone of Uncertainty
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Upvote if you too can't pronounce "maginot."

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:30 | 1833725 qussl3
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When are we going to trot out the Draghi put?

Is it time yet, or is Ben still the man?

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:41 | 1833732 Schmuck Raker
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I'm starting to get confused.

Could someone please tell me: Is this 'Smoke'? Or is this 'Mirrors'?

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:33 | 1833739 Cluelesscitizen
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absolute last minute puff up, exactly what you'd anticipate from these scams

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 15:43 | 1833775 Bam_Man
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Slowly but surely the ECB balance sheet is becoming loaded with PIIGS debt.

IMHO the Euro at its current level is preposterously over valued. The "adjustment" to fair value - when it happens - is going to be spectacular.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 19:52 | 1834940 Buck Johnson
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The PIIGS are going to take down the Euro, just you wait and see.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 16:26 | 1834074 oogs66
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They should quote as a spread to EFSF

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 16:26 | 1834076 oogs66
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They should quote as a spread to EFSF

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 04:19 | 1835930 Vengeance
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Although the use of the term Maginot Line is correct, Alpine line  would have been more apt...

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 05:00 | 1835953 K_I_T_T_Y
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Just had a couple of thoughts about Italy's debt

courtesy of Bloomberg...

Total of Bank Holders

1. Intesa San Paolo 64,4 bio EUR (4.06% of total outstanding)

2. UniCredit 38.5 Bio EUR

3. BNP Paribas 22.7 Bio Eur

4. Dexia 13.3 Bio EUR

and so on (Banks only have 11.46% of total outstanding debt).

Theoretically if you book Market to Market you would have a loss of around 10% since End of June (Q2)... or are they booking on a nominal value?

And I cannot get figures on Portugal, Spain, France,.....

No wonder the ECB is buying so aggressively those government bonds....


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