Italy Is The New Greece, As Strikes Shift From Syntagma Square To Rome

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falak pema's picture

will they torch Berlusconi's avatar at Piazza Navonna like a bunga bungad statue of unliberty?

slaughterer's picture

Sadistic S&P wielding the whip on all the world's delinquent sovereigns.   Credit analysts in furs.  

Cultural Capital's picture

London, Tunis, Cairo, L.A.! is the Multitude on the way?

For those youth's out there without a future, it might be a 'good strategy' for those so inclined to threaten 2x as much physical destruction of private property for every Euro in 'austerity' measures. Such an act would obviously undermine not only the 'economic rationale' for austerity but also undermine bond creditor will power to prop up the vampire squid et al.  Just a thought..

cossack55's picture

But they can't print stores, homes and autos.  No fair.

spiral galaxy's picture

Wait! I saw on the Michelob commercials were they hold up their iPhone doohickey to the scenery and with a flick of the finger can change urbun to rural, fill oceans & beaches with babes, place themselves in the middle of a party, etc.  Why not the same with stores, homes, etc.?  It's all one big fantasy!  You just need the right app ...duuuude! :-)

cossack55's picture

My fault. I boycott APL, hence, no iphone. Plus, I don't know shit bout no apps. 

slaughterer's picture

"baffling robots with bullshit has proven to be the most successful central planning strategy of 2011"--no truer words said on Sunday August 14th, 2011.  I put Zero Hedge up there with Napoleon and Charles Bukowksi--actually, somewhere between.  Let's have Mickey Rourke play Tyler the snarky analyst in the movie.  

janus's picture

yeah, man, i thought he really crescendoed perfectly with that pithy lil bit...but, really, i hate to pick anything out for fear of diminishing the effect of the whole.  the word masterful comes to mind -- well, lots of others pile atop it, but "masterful" keeps asserting itself.  okay, commanding too...that sticks; so we've got masterful and commanding -- the that settles it then:

master and commander

PS i swung by the NYTimes today and checked out the editorial section (old habits and all that); just pathetic milquetoasters gesticulating the rites of some worn out pantomime for the thoughtless and unreflective hordes.  i pity da fools.  ZH is shaking up the world and reporting on it -- yeah, bitchez, newzmakers and newzbreakers! nyt, eat that withered corpuscular heart of yours right out -- , but i guess that isn't fair, is it, nyt?  you are, after all, peppered in the news on corporate bankruptcy...tell carlos 'slim' the mexican that janus says "hola" (and say it just like that, he'll know what you mean).  anyway, my point is, ZH is reporting on THE MOST IMPORTANT NEWS OF OUR AGE and doing it in a way that is superlative in every regard.  these things must be said.  janus comes from a VERY critical enviornment, and i believe in the merits of thoughtful critique; but i really have nothing bad to say; moreover, i'm so over-awed by some of the work on this site that i can't contain my enthusiasm...all the more so when i see it so starkly juxtaposed against the old grey lady and her ghastly entropy (lil boy, yer pappy, Punch, well, if he could only see you now...what would the old man say, huh?  what have you done with the Holy NYT, you affected little twerp).

well, as far as things go, maybe i'll try to be the HL Menken/HS Thompson/Cicero/Demosthenese/Martin Luther/John the Baptist/PG Wodehouse/Mark Twain/et. al. of ZH...all i can do is give it the ole college try.  tally ho, etc. 

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit."


Caviar Emptor's picture

Battle lines: labor versus capital. Nobody wants a pay cut if bailouts favor capital.

sessinpo's picture

This is actually a battle between the unproductive socialist and productive capitalist. The unemployed will become a part of the former just to survive. Gov unions are a gross manifestation of the former. Eventually, when things really get bad, private sector unions will enter the battle.

Roubini is a moron just like the Keynsians. Whether a country is capitalistic or some form of statism, there is always a select few (the ruling class) that control the majority of wealth. All systems have flaws and the elite of any system exploit those flaws.


Global Hunter's picture

"We wouldn't have gotten here if we had had Eurobonds," Tremonti told reporters, calling for more "integration and consolidation of public finances in Europe."

if..if...if...if only I hadn't run out of money I would still be smoking crack.

vast-dom's picture can smoke crack on credit........for only so long tho.

zorba THE GREEK's picture

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

snowball777's picture

Moustache: necessary, but not sufficient.


GCT's picture

France and Germany both just announced no Eurobond in the cards.

TwelfthVulture's picture

The first "pregnant man" had a beard and moustache.   (Also, a vagina.)

Transitory Disinflation's picture

When there is Greece on the slide the ride just speeds up faster and faster.  BurlesqueOnly can only hold his head (getting shoe polish on his hands) and Merkel changes her flight plans on that helicopter!!!

EU will soon be Ewwww

Sudden Debt's picture

Strikes can't be made illegal. What they can demand is a minimum required workforce to work to keep the basics running. Transport, law inforcement, energy.

But there will be hughe strikes because the number of government employees in Italy is hughe and they'll feel the cuts first.


Caviar Emptor's picture

You don't know the Italians. They been there many times. The crowd has power

desirdavenir's picture

why is the 64 billion in cut laughable ? FYI, it is a per year permanent reduction, which in 10 years amount to 1/3 of the outstanding debt. On its face would be between 4 and 5 trillion in US governement accounting...

falak pema's picture

You sound like a french bureaucrat with a penchant for numbers that never apply to home country. I love lateral thinking that is not a two way street....Never at home always in the neighbour's...Oh, those glass houses!

Also on a ten year planning period, Italy's growth would be bled white w/o structural changes to increase competivity and producitivity. You can increase taxes, cut government spending but it has to be in the context of competitive advantage. A strong Euro means Italy like all club Med is toast in terms of growth.

desirdavenir's picture

very true on lots of points. But the thing is that many on ZH argue for a zero deficit rule that would have the same effect in the US as the austerity in Italy or the upcoming zero deficit rule in France (the debate focuses only on whether it should apply also for 2012, an election year, or just starting from 2013...)  Europe must go through a deflation episode before it can have growth again, as do the US. But the question is why on ZH keynesianism is bad for the US and good for Europe, and austerity is bad for Europe and good for the US ?

Re club Med vs Germany: there is less difference between Greece and Germany than between Alabama and Massachussets. 

falak pema's picture

ZH is full of traders who don't want that the US lose its supremacy, all the while acknowledging that the current world problem is based on break down of US capitalism, from their perspective based on Keynesian central governance by FED+WS+Obama. 

This view underplays the currency and interest based derivative war being waged by US HFs on the rest of the world. This is a race down to the bottom that the US oligarchy imposes on the world based on USD reserve currency status, and US military hegemony. It has nothing to do with the origins and thus the root causes of the crisis which is perversion of Oligarchical power capable of leading to the collapse of the world economy.


So from my perspective the majority view in ZH on this issue is schizophrenic. They recognise the problem but duck the need to regulate all capitalistic plays originating in US (HF naked speculative plays, FED QE printing, Pds support of WS ponzi asset and commodity bubbles). Its not the market that will solve this mess. It is strong POLITICAL LEAD IN THIS DIRECTION WORLD WIDE.

Coming back to Europe, it is clear EU banks and Euro are totally sucked into the debt crisis by its own past actions, initiated by greedy EU private banks. As for the solution it may be Euro bonds, but this requires that EU nation states harmonise fiscal policies and go back to golden rules of Mastricht (3% deficit, 60% debt of GDP). We are a million miles away from that. 

But first of all there has to be concerted action to juggle the financial ponzi emanating from unregulated Hfs, from unregulated shadow banking in US, from unregulated naked  derivative plays.

As for your comment about Greece and Massachussets, you forget that the US has a federal structure, and that EU does not. It urgently needs a federal solution or it will die.

We are heading for deep depression due to asset deflation. Nothing can solve that as the energy crunch world wide is inevitable. Lets see what EU has to propose on this front. 

Pizza spaghetti and mandolino's picture

This is one of the very few comments here with a grain of salt. It seems howver that Tyler and ZH believe Associated Press and do not go beyond what the Anglo-Saxon press feeds them with. Mrs. Camusso is the leader of the Italian "largest union". Its latest general strike was a resounding flop. So a threat of general strike by the Italian "largest union" is not a sign of an imminent Italian Syntagma square but pure thin air. To the ears of Italians living in Italy her words are not simply laughable. Any Italian living in Italy understands from her void threats that the tax increases and budgetary cuts are indeed going to be converted into law fairly shortly.

Dear Tyler and dear ZH readers don't believe Anglo-Saxon press on Italy: it doen't understand the country and it has a significant track record for getting it all wrong.


Seasmoke's picture

The Vatican must be very nervous

falak pema's picture

they have more money than Warren Buffet.

snowball777's picture

Mostly in the form of combustible assets. Poor choice that.

Cast Iron Skillet's picture

they have quite a bit of non-combustible gold & silver ...

Oh regional Indian's picture

We'll only know that when there is a War on Buffet.


Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Looks like the inner insanity is following the global exponential intensity curve nicely, don't you think?

Caviar Emptor's picture

Yes. It's not "Normally" distributed, however. Sharp shoulders

ZeroPower's picture

Fat tails FTW

Watch Italy, watch France for the real show... but all it takes is one bank, a single bank in the non-periphery like Belgium or Hungary. Wait.

speconomist's picture

Hungary is not part of the Eurozone.

ZeroPower's picture

Yes. But Hungarians are highly tied to the Eurozone and, being part of the EU, their banks have extremely close ties to the major European ones. One failed .hu bank means lots of losses for the core banks, which starts the collapsing domino - although i suspect its already started and is just starting to progress. Single example, though many others exist: very low Core Tier1 cap ratios at Santander, SG, UniCredit.

Last quarter's results dont reflect the real range the banks are in, i.e. <8% which is deadly for them.

Global Hunter's picture

Euro banks lend to Hungarians, ZH had an article a while back about Austrian bank exposure to Hungary mortgages denominated in Swiss Francs.

DaBernank's picture

Bing, bing, bing! We have a winner. Include much more of Eastern Europe in this as well, all the way to the Ukraine. MASSIVE european bank exposure there. I have been trying to tell the comment section here, I live in Austria and things are way out of hand over here. Degrees of leverage in lending are worse than even in the US. Common to take out a mortgage with zero money down for 120% of the price of the property. Euro cheerleaders (who must not read any european press) keep crowing that EURUSD is "still trading at 1.42, it's the new reserve currency!" ... Hold that currency at your own risk. I keep only enough to pay the bills for the month in Bank Austria (aka Unicredit)

magpie's picture

Does it start crashing once Asian CBs have stopped rebalancing their portfolios and the US really begins to withdraw liquidity ? Who knows when that will be.

Nozza's picture

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RedPirate's picture

In Belgium, most public societes switched their accounts from ING to Dexia to boost their liquidity. Similar goes for France and SoCGen. And it's a liquidity not to be underestimated. They can pool this, I'm pretty sure of it. And that Italy is next Greece? Well that's just crap...

zorba THE GREEK's picture

"Of course, nobody saw it coming"

I saw it coming.

vast-dom's picture

"For those who have not figured it out yet, baffling robots with bullshit has proven to be the most successful central planning strategy of 2011."

We need an expose on these robots. A ZH study. More detailed than previous posts with some direct central panning ties.


How about it?

DeadFred's picture

You stole my quote! This system is the perfect set-up. TPTB control the markets and control the MSM. It is a simple thing to program the algos to do this and that then tell your editors to include this quote and that headline. A small amount of coordination between the handful of media moguls and you direct the majority of the trading on the exchanges, all nicely front-run to your advantage. Small wonder the banks were reporting perfect scores on trading. I'll bet they really hated the tsunami.

johnQpublic's picture

not taking the french to financial collapse is like not bringing your accordian deerhunting

zorba THE GREEK's picture

"not bringing your accordian deerhunting"   LOL

Licio Gelli's picture

General strikes in Italy are a dime a dozen

snowball777's picture

Have you ever seen one with a positive impact on GDP though?


magpie's picture

German parlamentarians are out on vacation too, so paymistress Merkel is on her own.