Italy On The Ropes Again After Secret Berlusconi Promise To Step Down In Exchange For Compromise Achieves Nothing

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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:03 | 1811695 achmachat
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so who gets the film rights for this story?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:11 | 1811715 doomz78
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This is what happens when you are screwed.  You do stupid things. 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:04 | 1811700 gojam
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He's beyond parody

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:21 | 1811964 knukles
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Tee heh... Note the phrase that the Italian Parliament "was once again unable to reach a resolution on what the EU demands are".

Well now theres a right bloody great excuse to do fuck all noting  ... I mean if them bloody Krauts and Froggies'd tell us what they want then maybe we could do something about it, right?

Hah!
And it's all gonna work out just bloody well right.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:05 | 1811704 The Fonz...befo...
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Greece isn't even sorted and here we are focusing on Italy...he will not resign because as soon as does, he is open to arrest

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:20 | 1811741 Al Gorerhythm
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The exposure (Iceland, followed by Ireland-Greece- Italy-Spain-France Britain, etc, is a domino effect too. The actual debt unwind is yet to be felt. There is no guarantee that a domino effect will be played out in that arena though.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:06 | 1811705 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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... and people think that Western countries have democracies. Bulls**t. We all live in covert dictatorships. Prime ministers and presidents are nothing but puppet representives of inbred 'elite' families.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:06 | 1811706 bnbdnb
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My God, these people are a mess.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:06 | 1811707 ZeroPoint
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He "doesn't give a damn". Isn't that the story of this graceless age we live in.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:07 | 1811709 Irish66
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Key word today voluntary verses involuntary

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:24 | 1811756 lapedochild
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Agree and I read on BB that 50% is now voluntary what a BS!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:07 | 1811710 HD
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He didn't agree to step down - he's on double secret probation...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:07 | 1811711 GeneMarchbanks
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Those Italians are such rebels. That is, until ECB withdraws buying their debt for a couple hours just to make a point.

By the balls, they've got you.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:37 | 1811785 nonclaim
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Remember Italy also cooked the books to get into the Euro, but not as much as Greece.

It was good in the beginning but then the whole thing turned into a bad Opera and Italians in general will be happy to see it end, including the Berlusconi era.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:15 | 1811725 AngryGerman
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Italy will be the end of the Euro

at least the spaghettis are good for something

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:23 | 1811752 Maxwell Smart
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Well said. If we can get rid of the euro and the EU with just paying, so let's pay.

 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:05 | 1811914 irishlink
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I totally argree. The Italians have hated the Euro from day one. All that lovely lira that was hidden from the tax man had to come out from under the covers. People bought stuff that they did not need or want, Prices went up as stores started to show their real returns. When I was in Italy a few years ago, thats what I heard everywhere, The euro drove the prices up I also believe the Italians will not react well to the cut backs, pension reforms etc. What a sad ,miserable mess.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:17 | 1811732 Quintus
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Let's be honest here.  If Italy sent their budget plans in the form of a used napkin with Bunga-Bunga related stains on it and the words "We promise to be very, very good in future.  Now can we have the money please?" scrawled on the back of it in red lipstick that would be enough.

There is simply no way in hell the Euro-clowns will blow up their grand scheme today just because they are not happy with Berlusconi's promises.

Greece keeps getting money despite totally and utterly failing to do anything they are tasked with, because they have the Eurosystem over a barrel.  So does Italy.

All of this is mere posturing to look 'Strong' and 'Responsible' to the creditor countries' voters.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:17 | 1811734 slaughterer
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We just saw elections in Italy will not take out Berlusconi: Berlusconi pays too well for his votes.   If there is one loose cannon needing defusing at today's Euro-Summit, it is Bunga Bunga however.     

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:20 | 1811742 moonstears
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This is a sad tale of the end of Sovereignty, without a shot fired in rebellion. See M. Redshield's comments on currency.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:20 | 1811743 milanitaly
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EU will say "fantastic" everything Silvio tell today.

They have no other chance to avoid disaster.

And Silvio will go on to do nothing in the future.

We will not follow the EU's diktat like Greece to become more poors even before default.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:21 | 1811748 luigi
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He won't resign.

You'll have to make use of riot police with tear gas to dislodge him from office, and a jemmy to lever him out of the chair...

60 millions Italian sheeple taken as human shields by a desperate Al Capone wannabee...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:24 | 1811753 Börjesson
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Under the circumstances, it was fairly clever of Signor Berlusconi to get a double allotment of Italians onto the ECB board...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:28 | 1811773 luigi
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You haven't heard Mr. Draghi statements today! Silvio could think: with friends like these, who needs enemies? :) And the other Italian is the one whou would not step down after the agreement Sarkozy-Berlusconi was settled which paved the way for Draghi at ECB... 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:42 | 1812069 Börjesson
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Do you really think those two will screw over Italy just to get at Berlusconi? I'm sure they don't like him very much, but still...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:31 | 1812344 luigi
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Not the least: I simply understood from your earlier post (maybe wrongly from my side) that you thought Berlusconi having made a clever move by having 2 Italians in keypoints of the ECB. I merely pointed out that those two aren't "his" men... And yes, I do think that they wouldn't think twice to be even more severe toward Italy than toward other Countries, bit not to just get a BErlusconi, but for a couple of good reasons.

1) Draghi and Bini Smaghi must defend and demonstrate that they are independent and have their Italian origin clinged to them like a mark of infamy they have to get rid of.

2) Draghi and Bini Smaghi do actually think that Italy deserves a "purge", needs to grow up and be responsible of its own actions (which I concur upon) and are of the sort of people who would throw the own son in cold deep water yelling "learn to swim or die trying"

3) don't sure about Bini Smaghi, but quite probably Draghi takes orders almost directly from God (or those who make his job), and this is maybe the most important of all reasons.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:01 | 1812542 Börjesson
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Thanks for that clarification! Guess Silvio wasn't so clever after all.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:25 | 1811759 slaughterer
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You really think Merkel, so firm on the structure of the agreement, will let Berlusconi pass with a condescending smirk when he lies glibly about austerity measures?  I do not think so.   Say hello to Euro-Summit 3.0 in Cannes my friends!  

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:25 | 1811761 lapedochild
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"He may change his tune once BTPs drop under 90 and go bidless"

 

Unlikely since Draghi has already stated that he will continue buying bonds, despite Germany's opposition

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:26 | 1811762 Peter K
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My disappointment with Sivio is that he became soft on Euroland after the last election. He was angling to be loved, and become the president after 2013.

The real problem with Italy is the mis pricing of risk over the life of the Euro has allowed Italy to run up a 1.9t Euro debt. The risk is that when the interest rates fully normalize, they will be closer to 12% than 6%. At the same time, real GDP has declined during this same period. And this is the legacy of this last failed European experiment.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:29 | 1811776 Scalaris
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Very pleased to see how the political clusterf*ck regarding Europe's financial malaise has been upgraded to a FUCKING TELENOVELA.

 

*takes pills*

 

 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:45 | 1812081 falak pema
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wait wait, the show is coming to London town, then Broadway!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:36 | 1811789 mayhem_korner
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Old Mother Berlusconi went to the ECB cupboard, to fetch his insolvent nation a bone,

But when he bent over, Merkel took over and....(fill in the rest)

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:44 | 1811819 lizzy36
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Day of Days just beginning in Europe.

Last time it began on small airstrips, in the UK with thousands of C-47's and 60K of young brave men.

This time it is beginning with men like Berlusconi. Seems an apt commentary on the times.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:49 | 1811832 xcehn
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Get rid of all the puppet politicians.  Let the people decide directly what to do with their problems. Whatever they come up with will be better than the fate that awaits them from their elected bankster proxies.  The European Bankster Bailout Summit is the disgraceful and disgusting result of a total absence of real democracy.  The banksters and euroland couldn't swim, so they must drown.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:49 | 1811834 lizzy36
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Well this is going well.

According to the Telegraph they are "brawling" in italian parliament:

Tensions over the tough economic reform programme have proved a little too much for a pair of Italian deputies, who just started a brawl in parliament.

Two deputies from the Northern League, a member of the ruling centre-right coalition, fought with members from the opposition FLI party of speaker Gianfranco Fini, grabbing each other by the throat as other parliamentarians rushed to separate them.

The sitting was suspended for a while after the fight, which broke out because of sarcastic remarks on television by Fini alleging that the wife of League leader Umberto Bossi had retired at 39.


 

It was only last year tempers flared in the lower house of parliament in Rome with one MP calling an opponent "a piece of ----" before several ended up wih black eyes. 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:42 | 1812071 falak pema
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soon they'll be brawling in all western parliaments, the way to go, when you are a paid, frustrated shill, like being in Putin's Russia today. Its the Zeitgeist of politcal action. Rome burns and the Oligarchs go thumbs up thumbs down, singing the people drown n we're the lucky clowns.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:51 | 1811842 Miss Expectations
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Didn't Italy get kind of screwed when it joined the EU it tems of the valuation/exchange of the lira to the euro?  Didn't the low valuation of the lira allow the Germans to get Italian waterfront property for more than 50% off...explaining the horrible land development along the coast in Lecce?  Am I alone in enjoying watching Silvio jerk these extortionists around?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:58 | 1811875 lizzy36
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NO.

Watching these Politicians, EU intellectuals, and members of the elite, jerk each other off, is my favorite reality TV.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:30 | 1813013 Canuckistan Al
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Bread and circuses...this is the circus part of that............... Would make for much more interesting TV than the crap they feed us in North America. A good dust up in parilment on live PPV...maybe a revenue opportunity.

Today's match features welterweight Merkel vs lightweight Sarkozy, in a no holds barred death match in the octagon................. $39.99 Fiatscos

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:39 | 1812051 falak pema
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Tancrede of Lecce is a german real estate shill??? What a come down !

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:05 | 1811915 Kinskian
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The ones who don't enjoy themselves, even when they laugh. Oh yeah.

The ones who worship the corporate image, not knowing that they work for someone else. Oh yeah.

The ones who should have been shot in the cradle... Pow! Oh yeah.

The ones who say "Follow me to success, but kill me if I fail... so to speak." Oh yeah....

The ones who say "Be calm, calm."    ...Oh yeah.

Pasqualino Settebellezze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXHn7Fn97Ss

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:10 | 1811926 Odin
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Time for the ECB to make them an offer they can't refuse...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:17 | 1811948 Use of Weapons
Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:19 | 1811958 larynx
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I would really want to know what Silvio is wispering into Nicolas ear?

For sure Angela is amused.

http://sosheimat.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/310338_e.jpg?w=300&h=172

 

 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:23 | 1811980 falak pema
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two dominoes down as the race to bottom continues...

 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:42 | 1812065 supermaxedout
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The US is very busy fighting Berlusconi who was once their pet. But not anymore. Berlusconie is flying to Putin with escorts to party in Russia. At least that is what the western media is saying is the purpose. To be a friend with Putin literally arm in arm is not what the US likes.

And Berlusconi was a friend of Gaddafi too. No doubt. Italy under Berlusconi was the only European country to ask for forgiveness for the crimes it committed in the colonian times in Africa including Lybia which was an Italian colony. This was the prerequisite for doing business with Gaddafi. Afterwards Gaddafi was very helpful to Berlusconi. Investing a lot in Italia. Italian companies had preferential status in Lybia. Businesss started to boom in the Mediterrean with Lybia and Italia as locomotives. China was invited too. Had more than 30.000 people in Lybia lots of projects running. The harbour in Naples was booming. Economically things were on the right track.

The mediterrean area as a whole could have really boomed. But this is not what is wanted in Washington and London. The mediterrean sea is the sea of the US and UK. Having in each country military bases. Now also in Lybia again. Only Syria is left. There will never be a real prosperous Italy as long as the US and the UK do not give up their iron control of the mediterrean.

Thats the way it is. And one should think a bit why is Berlusconi still in power. Because he gets so much assistance from outside for example from the US. For sure not. It is because he is one of the few Italian politicians not in the pocket of the US. Thats why the Italians stick to him. They do not want to continue to be an American puppet. They are fed up. Its that simple.

Berluscuni is Italian, is Mafia, is Catholic, is a macho, is a good singer and entertainer  but he is not an American and he and most Italians do not like to be dominated by the Americans further in the future.

 

 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:03 | 1812557 luigi
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There are particles of truth in what you're saying, but don't forget Berlusconi is above all an opportunist.

He spent much of his time belly up and tail weawing on the white house's doormat and still today he keeps more than 3.000 soldiers in A-stan and committed in the effort to "liberate" Lybia (in order to pet the Boss hoping for forgiveness).

It is a desgrace but it is incidentally true, that for a distraction of the fate, the action taken by this ferocious clown in pure selfish greedy self interest to save himself coincide by pure casuality with moves putting Italy a step aside of the chor singing somewhat differently, as if it truly would like to reaffirm an independent role on the international scene, but it is just an illusion. I too would like Italy to be able to run an own agenda, but alas, it's only running the poor man's Al Capones agenda by now.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:52 | 1812820 supermaxedout
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Of course Berlusconi is extremely opportunistic. But this is the thing all politicians at the top have in common.

As you say Italy can not run its own agenda. The same is true for all other countries in Europe. But I think this is the good thing in the sea of bad news. Its becoming obvious that only a democratic united Europe has the power to push,  lets say an Italian agenda today. And tomorrow Europe is acting on something what is more on behalf of Germany or the Netherlands.

My dream is, that the European parliament in Strasbourg is forming one day the base for a true European government.  Not Brussels which is for me more synonymous for Nato and European buerocrats.

That would be then really a Happy End for Europe, which we really deserve after all the hardship in the past.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:17 | 1812957 luigi
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