Italy Trims Austerity Plans, Removes Tax Hike Proposal On High Earners, To Pursue Tax Cheats Instead

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Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:42 | 1612195 traditionalfunds
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high earners = tax cheats

 

same difference no?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:08 | 1612294 tmosley
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Next up:  all earners=tax cheats.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:14 | 1612318 gmrpeabody
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Next up: less pepperoni and cheese on the pizza.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 15:27 | 1612626 Mountainview
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And watch the CDS...and the European Central Banks reaction...

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 18:39 | 1613304 Bobbyrib
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I had the same thought when I read the title of the article.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:42 | 1612196 achmachat
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I can't believe how short this was!

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:54 | 1612243 Albertarocks
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You're not looking in your pants are ya?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:06 | 1612286 IBelieveInMagic
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Ha. Or he has a trusting nature.

This is exactly in line with my thinking -- just dodge and obfuscate for a while and then business as usual. As long as no one is willing to rock the boat to call USA's bluff on debt ceiling, why would others inflict austerity on themselves? It is all just fiat currency right!

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:10 | 1612303 Albertarocks
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Did everyone miss this?  Bernanke is suggesting that he's prepared to raise rates, not lower them.  He's saying he's expecting the effects of "policy accomodation" to be reflected in stronger economic activity and job creation... and inflation.  The policy he's warning about is that of hiking rates: http://www.bloomberg.com/video...

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:15 | 1612325 IBelieveInMagic
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Yah! We are saved. The misery is over.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:16 | 1612332 gmrpeabody
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Well, after all, he CAN'T lower them!

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:38 | 1612403 Highrev
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nice AR                           BVV

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:45 | 1612203 nope-1004
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Rats will circle a cage many times before realizing the effort is futile.

Expect Italy to circle the cage a few more times.

 

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:45 | 1612205 fwchiro
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Why suffer through austerity when you can just live it up spending all the way to the bottom as you wait for Merkel to backstop your bankruptcy?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:46 | 1612208 stevegee58
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LOL Finally goin' after them tax cheats huh?

I remember my Italian barber from when I was a kid saying to my dad (an accountant), "Oh, back in the ola contry we no-a pay-a taxi."

This is the end, beautiful friend, the end.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:47 | 1612213 misterc
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Has anybody been to Rome lately? When I went there in 2008, the city was filled with gipsy hords, begging on street corners. Subways were dirty and pickpocketing was a constant threat. Prices for everything were skyhigh, infrastructure was really bad. I cannot understand how the Pimco dudes can buy Italian bonds. The country is a real mess!

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:02 | 1612274 Pegasus Muse
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With slight modification, sounds like NYC, LA, Washington DC, ....

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:08 | 1612291 IBelieveInMagic
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You can see the beauty when you are in the inside circle!

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:16 | 1612322 Waffen
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I was last there in 1998 and thats how it was then.  I am sure Rome has been like that since 400 AD.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:47 | 1612217 SheepDog-One
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'Vague in details'...aw screw it, it got us thru the morning anyway....time for 3 hour afternoon pasta and wine siesta.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:04 | 1612279 knukles
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Dessert?  Most certainly!  Waiter, I'd like a blow job for desert.  Mouth full of KY, no teeth, yes, a gummy if you please.  Put it on Mr. Berulsconi's account.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:48 | 1612221 ZeroPoint
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Here's a new flash: High earners tend to be tax cheats.

 

Once again greed prevails. You have to go after people and corporations who have money. Everything else leads to revolution.

 

 

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:48 | 1612222 kridkrid
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Austerity for thee, but not for me.  Nobody has been punished yet for kicking a can further down the road.  Why not?  It'll work... until it doesn't.  Then it'll really suck.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:49 | 1612223 Fuh Querada
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Yeah, well we all know how assiduously the Greeks pursued their austerity plan since May 2010. Last week they finally stopped paying pensions to dead people.

I wonder what percentage of the Italian population earns more than 90000€ p.a. declared income.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:59 | 1612235 knukles
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Those that did/do/indeterminate emigrated to Libya, comfortably living it up in the Berlusconi Ex-Pat Bunga-Bunga Compound.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:49 | 1612224 johngaltfla
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That's worked so well, in, uh, well, maybe not so much, the United States.

Perhaps a review of the works of Adam Smith might help the idiots, but I doubt it. Capital flows where it is free to mulitply. Italy and the U.S. ain't it.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:01 | 1612269 fwchiro
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I have tried to let my capital multiply by putting it all together under my mattress, but no joy.  Do you have any suggestions like mood lighting or something?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:13 | 1612314 yabyum
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Have you tried Barry White on the CD?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:56 | 1612498 fwchiro
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No I was using Pink Floyd's "Money", but maybe its time to pull out the big guns with a little Barry...

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 16:16 | 1612779 johngaltfla
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As I suggested 4 years ago...CHF bonds...but hey, I'm just a blogger. We don't count....

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:51 | 1612228 knukles
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LOL
Another announcement from the EU Miltinational Diverse Pan European Fiscal and Monetary Policies Coordination, Representation, Extemporization Super Le Grande Design Underpriviliged Special Olympic Can Kicking Charade Committee. 

 Bon jour!

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:52 | 1612232 Ausperity
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Wishful thinking is better than no thinking at all...

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:20 | 1612347 gmrpeabody
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Ya think?    ; )

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:53 | 1612237 entendance
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on September 10, 2011: Italy

http://www.entendance.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=784&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=90#p18582

 

On September 17, 2011: New York, London, Madrid, Frankfurt, Milan...

http://www.entendance.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=801&p=19008#p18949

 

WAKE UP!

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:54 | 1612244 pacdm
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Who cares anyway just look at the markets  here and in Greece all is well.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:56 | 1612246 TruthInSunshine
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The EU situation is resolved.. resolved I tell you!

Jawboning - nonstop- and vague, unspecified, no actual articuable plan, irrational jawboning- works wonders!

Until it doesn't...

Show me the money, the EU will ultimately say, and Germany will say "beeeeyotch!"

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:56 | 1612255 knukles
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Deutschemark Beeeeytches!

(couldn't resist)

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:55 | 1612247 knukles
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And with that news, the Dollar rallies opposite the Euro on the fast road to the bottom, followed closely by the Swissy, with the Zimbabweian Dollar in the lead.

Tough day for a bear raid on gold, sweetie.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:56 | 1612249 zeroman
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HERE IS SOME REALITY.  THE U.S. BUSINESS SECTOR LESS REAL ESTATE AND GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS MOVING FORWARD.  WE ALL FORGET THAT 95% OF OUR ECONOMY IS NOT WHAT YOU SEE ON WALL STREET; THAT IS, WE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE BECOME LEAN AND MEAN, CREATIVE, AND HAVE LOWERED OUR PAYROLLS TO WORSE CASE SCENARIOS, AND HAVE A MODEL FOR PROFITABILITY.  WE MAKE TOO MUCH OF THE BANKSTERS WHO ARE NOT LOANING US MONEY ANYWAY. THEREFORE, WE HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO SURVIVE AT THESE LOWER LEVELS.  WOULD WE LIKE TO GROW? SURE. DO WE NEED BANKS OR EUROPE TO MAINTAIN WHERE WE ARE? NO.  THEREFORE, I THINK YOU HAVE CLEARLY OVERSTATED THE RELEVANCE FOR US TO SURVIVE BECAUSE EUROPE HAS PROBLEMS.  WHY CANNOT WE BEGIN TO DISCUSS HOW TO SUCCEED WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT AND WITHOUT THE CORPORATE ELITIST AND STILL NOT BE DOOMSSAYERS AS USUAL?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:57 | 1612258 knukles
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Why can't we all just get along?

(Huming Kumbayah)

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:59 | 1612262 irishlink
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You are only seeing the beginning of the consumer deleveraging and we are on the cusp of another dip in confidence and earnings. Can you cut back more?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:10 | 1612285 TruthInSunshine
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You are only seeing the beginning of the consumer deleveraging and we are on the cusp of another dip in confidence and earnings. Can you cut back more?

 

The more relevant question to ask, as a function of basic math, is whether MOST can NOT cut back more, given what will be their new economic reality (aka personal/household/small biz budgets).

Deleveraging is a nasty, drawn out affair, and we're only in the early, early innings of the deleveraging ball game.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:15 | 1612324 pods
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Of course if the FED.gov were to remove the 10% or so of GDP which is now built into the system everything would implode no matter how lean and mean you are.

The explosion in debt is relevant to everyone.  Pretending that you are insulated is folly.

BTW, Caps Lock key is on the left side of the keyboard, in between the Shift and Tab key.

pods

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 17:39 | 1613132 andybev01
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Decaf.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:56 | 1612250 irishlink
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Slowly but surely the extent of this disaster is starting to dawn on the public at large. I have heard so much concerned conversatoin over this weekend than ever before. Greece must be close to throwing in the towell and the Italians will not do austerity.  

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:00 | 1612266 knukles
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Let's not get too hasty on this...  Let's hear what Goldman's got to say.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 13:56 | 1612256 Dick Darlington
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Aaaaaand scene!

Italian politicians, like all politicans, just said out loud the two words which have been sprayed on countless walls all over Italy: F*ck austerity!

 

 

 

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:00 | 1612263 rubyruffruff
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chin chin 2 the new austerity measures.....bung bunga party starts @ 11pm

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:01 | 1612268 props2009
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This is funny. JohN pAULSON IS DOWN 40% ON HIS ADVANTAGE FUND
http://capital3x.com/?p=529

How could seemingly smart people with 2bn capital become dumb with 30bn capital?

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 14:01 | 1612273 jmc8888
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Why should they cut? For fraud?

 

The answer to the problem isn't cutting shit.  Of course stuff that's worthless should be cut.  But that's because it's worthless, not because 'we have fraudulent debt that needs to be paid off'.

Cancel the fraudulent debt.  Worldwide.  Each country can individually. 

Let the banksters have the austerity.   That's who NEEDS it.

 

It's the right thing that Italy didn't go down the route of cutting stuff to pay off fraud.

Of course going after tax cheats to pay off fraud seems a bit funny too.  I don't think the italian mob will take too kindly to that.

Pleasure vs Pain principle is bullcrap.  It's an idiots 'principle'.

Thus wanting 'pain' so that people finally notice, won't do shit.  You'll just have pain.  While people are still clueless why.

If they rise up to a mob, you don't get American Revolution.  You get French revolution.

 

We need Glass-Steagall because it's the REASONABLE course of action.

We don't need Austerity to force PAIN in the hopes of a positive outcome via mobs.

Pleasure vs. Pain...another worthless metric...another false dichotomy.  Another fools errand.

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