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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:50 | 1902350 Smithovsky
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As another Monti (Burns) would say - 'Eeeexcellent'.  

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:56 | 1902366 slaughterer
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As a purveyor of German-style fiscal-sadism, Monti will make even Southern Italy into a colony of serfs indentured to the ECB.  Welcome to the new world order: Italy meet your master: Lloyd Blankfein.    Excellent indeed.  Monti = Super Smithers.  

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:57 | 1902630 redpill
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 14:30 | 1903317 gmrpeabody
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All your raviolis are belong to us!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:45 | 1903742 MFL8240
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Blankfein really doesnt understand Italians. Try to steal more from the Italian people my guess is that he probably wont have any teeth left to chew on his bagels.  The world has had enough of the scumbags from Goldman Sachs someday they will have to answer for their greed.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:09 | 1902397 Ghordius
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as much as I was a fan of Berlusconi - this is only propaganda. Typical "they are different - they are bad" tabloid propaganda.

Monti has been appointed by the blasted President of the Republic Napolitano (yes, Napolitano is a former communist, elected by Senate & Parliament).

This is all constitutional. He can be toppled anytime by a "Vote of Confidence", like the 51 VoCs Berlusconi survived until he met his 52nd.

He needs to find majorities in both chambers for everything. It's called a "technical Government" (not technocratic) in Italy. There were lots of them before the first Berlusconi gov. The blasted Lower Chamber could anytime find some other majority and send him home - only then they would have to work together and take some responsibility, which is hard for typical MPs.

So back down you conspiracy theorists and give him the customary hundred days so that he finds enough rope to hang himself.

He is now the PM of one of the most fiercely pro-EU countries that was co-founding member since the Treaty of Rome.

He is preaching to choir.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:17 | 1902450 Ahmeexnal
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Greek and Italian partisans are already organizing the resistance.

Merkel will be kicked out of Greece and Italy, just like her daddy was kicked out back in the 40s.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:22 | 1902472 Ethics Gradient
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Oh do be quiet, man.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:10 | 1902666 Bring the Gold
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Let's just interject some facts into your apoligia for Monti.

Fact, Chairmen of the European branch of the Tri-Lateral Commission.

Fact, Member of Bilderberg group (not atendee...MEMBER)


Fact, Goldman Sachs European advisor. (Per ZH using Goldman Sachs materials)

Naw, I'm sure this guy is on the up and up. Why all three of those just SCREAM democracy and open transparent government. STFU, with that conspiracy theory non-sense, that can't be used to end rational fact based discussion anymore. Those groups are secretive by nature and therefore are conspiracy FACT.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:37 | 1902756 Ghordius
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I am no friend of appointees of Napolitano

Bilderberg? Well, lots of people attend this club - is there any proof that they are subversive? Freaking Maggie Tatcher? The Queen of Holland? Anyone? Facts? Really?

GS? We will see if Monti will be Italian first and Squid second or not. Austerity? Lots of citizens want austerity there.

My point is that the guy is constitutionally legit and he has to convince for every law hundreds of MPs in a country that loves the EU. This is a fact.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:55 | 1902795 Bring the Gold
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Your point about Italian parliment is fine.

Your use of the term Conspiracy Theory is just slander and undermines viable discussion. It's a way in which to stop critical thinking with a buzz word that just so happens helps to cloak any and all elite collusion under a catch all phrase that summons up paranoia and mental instability in those at which the term is hurled.

Can you prove that Bilderberg is a force for good? Perhaps their ULTRA secretive stance is to hide their good nature eh? Perhaps Mother Theresa would have been more effective in her minstrations to the poor if she had retreats at resorts under high military security, with minimal media coverage and massive secrecy?

Lets see historically speaking how many ultra secret groups involving the top echelons of power have been forces for good? Hmm, can't really think or more than perhaps a handful during the Renaissance and that was due to the Vatican being a Hegemon at that time.

Other than those very few examples, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY have been forces for evil, places where coups were cooked up and other byzantine plots for power.

Of course it's difficult to pull out factual information on exactly how Bilderberg operates as an organization, that speaks to the TREMENDOUS effort made to have all their discussions be extremely secretive. Likley it's for the common good...right?

If you buy that I have some MF Global bonds to sell you.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 19:11 | 1904567 Ghordius
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Well, we can't prove anything about Bilderberg.

Yes, the evidence is there that they meet, sometimes with some aspiring politicians like Maggie Thatcher, that then often have a shot at a greater audience. A lot of quite known VIPs are there, including a couple of royals, etc. etc.

Forces of evil? That's my problem with "conspiracy theories", they assume groups want to be "forces of evil". They meet - they don't want you to be there and they don't release their minutes.

So what? Any club can do this. They are not that ultra secret anyway. And I can understand people that don't want to be bothered by the press all the time. Would you, if you were one of them, have the press at every meeting? Really?

The real evil of this world is done in front of our eyes, IMHO. In the case of Mr. Monti, we'll have to wait and see what laws and decrees he puts forward...

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 23:00 | 1905219 Bring the Gold
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Forces of evil? That's my problem with "conspiracy theories", they assume groups want to be "forces of evil".

Um, what about terrorism? What about the Mafia and other organized crime? What about the Triad? What about the Yakuza? What about the KGB? What about various intelligence agencies involved in Coup D'etat's, torture and extrajudicial murder and drug running? All of these things are confirmed fact. All occur at the behest of groups that operate in secret, whether on the behalf of governments or for ideological/political/monetary reasons. What about any number of historically documented incidences where rich and powerful people met in secret to foment Coup D'etat's against governments? What did that all go away magically sometime in the distant past? Humans have moved beyond greed and lust for power as motivators? Come on! Read some history!

As to Bilderbergs, we aren't talking about a few folks at a country club, we are talking about the most powerful men and women in the world. The richest men and women in the world. They are meeting to influence policy and politics this is known by both explicit fact (endorsement of multiple US presidential and Vice Presidential nominees leading to VP selections and US presidency frontrunners...FACT) and also inference. We know that policies have been discussed, and businesse and government actions have been synchornized at these meetings yet these are NOT official capacity meetings, yet they effect official policy decisions. This is in no way democratic or representative of the will of the people these policy makers supposedly represent.

If you don't find Bilderberg meetings to be just a tad questionable, well then I submit that you are extremely trusting and likely to a fault.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:51 | 1902351 Captain Kink
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This is why GS is long Eur/USD.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:55 | 1902357 EscapeKey
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gold reserves which are largely in excess of needs in most EU countries

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I though those Keynesian assholes had determined gold isn't money, hence why would there be any requirement at all? Fuck it, sell it all, if it's as worthless as you make it out to be.

Actually, I just recall - during the Greek hyperinflation in the 40'es, the powers that be repeatedly attempted to stabilise the Drachma - through the selling of gold.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:00 | 1902384 reload
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Makes sense: sell Gold, reduce currency in circulation, reduce black market prifits and curb inflation.

Quick call Mervin King - oh wait, Gordon Brown sold it already.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:18 | 1902461 LawsofPhysics
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Precisely, let the masses play with gold after all they are idiots and the NWO will confiscate it later anyway.  Where have I seen this play out before?  Hhhmmmmm.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:53 | 1902360 e-man
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How long do you think it takes before the Italian people offer Monti the Mussolini retirement package?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:02 | 1902395 Spastica Rex
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You're talkin' 'bout a revolution.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:35 | 1902515 e-man
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Revolution? Monti is an appointed leader, not an elected leader.  I'm talking more like a "disappointment."

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:40 | 1902560 Spastica Rex
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So was Louis XVI - by God.

I don't think a revolution requires democratically elected leaders.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:06 | 1902411 Popo
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They're a conquered people. 

I have seen zero indication that they have the spine to stand up to the cartel.

  • The Cartel: 1
  • Italy:0
Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:18 | 1902700 overqualified
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Yes, they foolishly have been the most europhiles in Europe up to now, just because they despised so much their elected political class. So they just loved the idea of being governed by Germany.

Now that they taste the real thing I wonder about their reaction. My guess is that when they will realize how much screwed they are, it will be too late anyway (they will be already homeless and destitute).

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1902368 Alex Lionson
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All those technocrats are so politically correct and nice at the beginning! They even use the words EUROPE'S INDICATIONS instead of more understandable and correct ones - EUROPE'S INSTRUCTIONS !

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:19 | 1902466 Ahmeexnal
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Correctness would mean:  "Germany's ORDERS"

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:38 | 1902556 Alex Lionson
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:57 | 1902373 imsaul0968
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1902379 Captain Kink
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:03 | 1902399 Sudden Debt
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:03 | 1902403 a growing concern
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:11 | 1902430 Stax Edwards
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:12 | 1902433 MillionDollarBonus_
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 14:36 | 1903359 Tsunami Wave
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:22 | 1902475 midgetrannyporn
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:27 | 1902495 fuu
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:29 | 1902505 midgetrannyporn
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:43 | 1902579 imaginalis
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:28 | 1902501 Absinthe Minded
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Hi Saul. STFU

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1902374 slaughterer
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Thanksgiving sees Merkel, Sarko, and Monti meeting together in France to stage manage their next move.  

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:59 | 1902380 Sudden Debt
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:00 | 1902383 slaughterer
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Tax it to death, SD.  

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:22 | 1902473 srsly-wtf
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Reagan on government:  "If it moves tax it.  If it keeps moving, regulate it.  If it stops moving, subsidize it!"

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:07 | 1902880 TrulyBelieving
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Make it clear, Reagan was describing how the democrats in govt. handled the economy. He was mocking them and this was not his position. Now be true and quit trying to re-write history.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 17:13 | 1904162 StychoKiller
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"The Spinners" -- NOT just a singing group! :>D

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:00 | 1902386 Tsar Pointless
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