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"The US recovery must overcome the European divorce and the China slowdown in order for the US to grow more than 2%" is how JPMorgan's Michael Cembalest describes the reality of an un-decoupled world. There is some divergence  as while the US economy if only growing at 2.0% and regional manufacturing surveys have rolled over, other economic indicators (JOLTS, railcar loadings, even select housing markets) are picking up. His point being that these trends will need to coalesce into more household spending (not just on cars) and capital spending in order for the US growth to grow more than 2%.

For that to happen, some clarity may be needed on both the “2013 fiscal cliff’ and the “long term entitlement bomb”, which unfortunately calls for opposing fiscal measures to mitigate them. One question: what policy mix could unleash the mountains of corporate cash? I doubt it would involve more help from the Fed. There’s a debate about whether the Fed should engage in more securities purchases (QE3), but that seems odd when policy rates are already zero and the 10 year Treasury is less than 2%. Instead of looking to the Fed, aiming for a repeat of the 1950’s seems like it might work better. From 1950 to 1960, the US federal debt fell from 80% to 46%. The US did not inflate its way out, and there was no austerity program. The US grew its way out. As a result, following the example of Eisenhower, it’s tempting to think that an aggressive pro-growth agenda signaled from the White House could be more impactful than QE3.

Wrapping up

It will be hard for the world to grow if China depends on Europe which depends on China which depends on the US which depends on China and Europe. It’s an odd market: in the US, 98% of the S&P 500’s cumulative 27% return since January 2010 occurred either during corporate earnings season, or right after QE programs. The rest of the time, the S&P 500 is flat, since the economic news has not been that good. As we have been writing, current circumstances call for modestly less risk than normal, and allocations to distressed residential and commercial real estate, long-term energy projects, private lending and other investments with less exposure to the current macro/business cycle.


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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:04 | 2424573 veyron
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parabolic, bitchez ...

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:15 | 2424604 Chief KnocAHoma
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Look nobody worry... because I saw the best dancing dog act ever on you tube... Pudsey will save us all!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:31 | 2424629 tocointhephrase
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Silver in £'s vs the Britannia 1 oz is 100% come on baby, get in there Max! DISCONNECTED BITCHEZ!



Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:18 | 2424612 TheGardener
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The great European divorce has an unspeakable name that can`t possibly be discussed in many a former western nation.

Glad we are in fight club and we don`t talk about things publicly concerning fight club.

Many more taboos in the waiting, though

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:19 | 2424617 Chief KnocAHoma
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Don't talk about fight club!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:29 | 2424652 Spastica Rex
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You're talking about it.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:32 | 2424667 tocointhephrase
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Back to sleep, back to sleep!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:43 | 2424694 resurger
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Am currently Long:

Nitric acid


gun powder


ice cubes




Orange Juice



Beer Bottles

Plastic Bottles





Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:56 | 2424745 TheGardener
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My bad. Punch me, no cover first two attempted hits. :-)

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:38 | 2424683 SheepDog-One
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JP Morgan guy said something? Oh, how delete-worthy.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:04 | 2424575 Deep79
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I hate this line. We need to get back to a Pro Growth Agenda. All these fools say it, makes them sound smart

"We need to get back to a Pro-Growth Agenda"

What the Fuck does that mean. 

The only growth we can get, and has been since the last 30 years is more debt. No one mentions that.

Most annoying line so far in 2012, every idiot is saying we need to get back to a pro growth agenda.


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:08 | 2424584 slackrabbit
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agree, they're in denial........the river in which fools drown.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:13 | 2424597 Temporalist
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You clearly haven't seen how well the "Pro Growth Agenda" has been working.  It just takes years, sometimes decades, sometimes centuries, but there will be growth as long as there is an agenda.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:20 | 2424619 CvlDobd
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It's operation idiocracy.

Hence the war on gays (doesn't make babies) and shitty sex ed.

They just want a larger populous to rule. They also thInk that the baby boom was great for growth, let's do it again! I see a lot of school based mini issuance. So they are planning (it seems) for growth in shitty american education.

I hope thu fail but they may not. I know lots of single mothers with multiple children. Idiots are playing right into the PTB hands.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:25 | 2424638 CrashisOptimistic
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It's not rocket science.

Oil is not coming out of the ground fast enough for 7 billion ppl to grow better than 2%, and it never will again.  

Oil is everything.  The rest is just decoration.


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:31 | 2424662 SKY85hawk
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We're living the politician's worst nightmare, HELPLESSNESS.

Demographics are preventing the production of profitable product sales in the consumer arena. 

Those who promote plans to produce prosperity via public spending are pretending that public policy can prevail over larger forces.

Have you read Harry Dent?  He's been predicting this slowdown since 1999.

If you prefer video,

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:41 | 2424678 JeffB
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Didn't Eisenhower build upon the massive drop in military spending after winding down from the end of WWII, and capitalize on rebuilding Europe & Asia whose homes, infrastructure and factories had been largely obliterated by the war?

Sounds simple enough.

Easily said. Now we just need to repeat that.

Oh year, I forgot, we may also need to start a baby boom.

Especially since we now have a top heavy Social Security, Medicare & Prescription Drug system that will soon only have 2 workers per retiree.


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:46 | 2424705 resurger
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lol i thought you are TIS

+ 1 soap

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:46 | 2426055 TBT or not TBT
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Well, it might beat the anti-growth agenda we have now.   Lots of oil and gas available under our land  and shores.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:05 | 2424576 spastic_colon
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i thought the FB IPO was supposed to take care of all this

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:08 | 2424579 evolutionx
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Have a look at the ECB Fear Indicator: 

banks deposited

+60B overnight

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:11 | 2424586 Tyler Durden
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Always happens after the monthly window dressing day. Until it hits €850 billion it is largely a non-event as Northern European banks are merely recycling maturing Southern paper as explained here previously.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:11 | 2424589 Temporalist
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Well Brazil also isn't growing as expected.  Perhaps there is another planet to sell junk to for the world's GDP to grow.

Brazil economy to miss 2012 growth target: sources

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:30 | 2424657 TheGardener
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I lived there , don't talk down Brazil : It has always been the land of future opportunities and it always will be !

Monkey business rules, good place for unruly Americans and a
reasonable refuge for people with no real roots. All others, monkeys included, better be back to your roots and ancient lands.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:10 | 2424592 tocointhephrase
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Who said anything about China landing? Ground meet Sky!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:11 | 2424594 Cognitive Dissonance
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Considering how many retail customers have, and still are, headed to the hills, pretty soon the bankers will be left with nothing to do but to play with themselves.

Wait...............  :)

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:11 | 2424595 Chief KnocAHoma
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Why not just a global reset? A big fucking force majuer that delcares if you have title to it, it is yours. If you don't hold it, tough shit.

All bets are off, all debts erased.

The money changers in the "Temple" will be pissed, but fuck 'em! 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:22 | 2424618 Sudden Debt
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But what about the rothchilds and bilderbergs? They could lose all their hard earned money!
Could you really break their harts and turn them from being quarkillionairs to simple trillionaires?
Just image the suffering they would undergo....

And all that just for the happyness of a few billion people... Do you think that's worth it?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:31 | 2424655 Spastica Rex
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Yes - the poor deers.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:13 | 2424793 TheGardener
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Reset, but they won`t call that name. Temples resurrected
and money changers appointed to chief priest, yes.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:11 | 2424596 orangegeek
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"The US recovery must overcome the European divorce and the China slowdown in order for the US to grow more than 2%"...and there's two hopes of that happening.  Bob Hope and No Hope.


Primary wave 3 down for all you elliott wavers.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:15 | 2424600 Sudden Debt
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No simple QE 3 is needed,
Nothing is needed.
Cut down the number of government workers to max. 5% militairy included and keep taxes as where they are.
And pull back and brake down the militairy. Maybe a internal security force to guard the borders.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:22 | 2424621 junkyardjack
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No military? But who will save us from the boogey men?  I hear putting your feet under the covers might not work...

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:22 | 2424630 Sudden Debt
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Dude, Americans are the best armed people in the world.
Any country should be nuts to attack America.
Americans can defend themselves.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:33 | 2424660 WillyGroper
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Why? The fence is to keep us in.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:49 | 2426059 TBT or not TBT
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Awesome, they finished the fence!    Thought we would have heard about it somewhere other than a ZH thread, but hey, it's great news.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:15 | 2424603 Shizzmoney
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"The US recovery must overcome the European divorce and the China slowdown in order for the US to grow more than 2%" is how JPMorgan's Michael Cembalest describes the reality of an un-decoupled world.

He also forgot his employer.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:15 | 2424605 junkyardjack
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Looks like Copper is helping to make room for QE3....

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:20 | 2424622 francis_sawyer
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What will it take to unleash corporate cash?


When the value of the denominated currency = zero

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:21 | 2424624 Tsunami Wave
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OT: Why on earth is GRPN up 20% today??

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:26 | 2424640 CvlDobd
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So the 35% ah plunge hurts less perhaps?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:27 | 2424643 penexpers
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Awesome deals on penis enlargement explicitly for bankers.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:37 | 2424671 junkyardjack
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They lost less money than people thought they would.  Slow bleed bitchez

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:22 | 2424625 Scalaris
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I'll pay you, so that you can pay him, so that he can pay me, so that we can all be rich.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:20 | 2424824 TheGardener
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Junk me, but this is exactly how it works in family business
associations, not just in Asia , but the developing and recovering world over. You will surely be shortchanged , but at least the money stays in the family...;-)

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:23 | 2424631 narnia
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A 0% tax rate on dividends for the remainder of 2012 would do the trick

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:23 | 2424632 Arnold Ziffel
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Who would of thought?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:23 | 2424634 penexpers
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I had an argument with a guy this weekend who was still extolling the "greatness" of the "European socialist model."

Nobody knows what the hell is going on.

As C3PO said it,"We're doomed."

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:25 | 2424642 no life
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We're in a pink collar ghetto..

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:26 | 2424648 kralizec
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It will be hard for the world to grow if China depends on Europe which depends on China which depends on the US which depends on China and Europe.


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:27 | 2424650 Father Lucifer
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just BTFD

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:31 | 2424661 q99x2
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Global revolution against the Globalists and Banksters. Everyone knows who the enemies are!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:34 | 2424663 no life
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Like the girl who can't find where her maxi went last night..

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:43 | 2424697 SAME AS IT EVER WAS

The equity markets are behaving so orderly and calm these days, wow! Its kinda of like the "working group" are all standing around with their hands in their pockets, foot slightly tapping whilst whistleing an apprehensive tune, "Oh, Noooo, Nope-Nothing going on over here, not a thing."

Where in the Hell is Waddell and Reed when you them! 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:45 | 2424702 SheepDog-One
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SURE now that we've shipped all our jobs and manufacturing overseas purposely to blow out the country, we can get back to concentrating on a 'growth agenda'....seriously do these people think we're ALL retarded??

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 17:10 | 2424971 ffart
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Their idea of a growth agenda = purposefully tearing out the asphalt in a major crowded intersection and replacing it 2-3 times in a year

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 17:13 | 2424978 sof_hannibal
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Let's just charge that nuclear reactor, that new desalination plant, and that high speed bullet train (from LA to Vegas) to the ctedit card; what? , no manufacturing plants left? Can't China or Canada build it for us?

The card is maxed out? Are you sure, did u try the good one? You don't take fiat fractional discover anymore? What? Gold, ok, wait --oh, u want real - real Gold? What about these gold futures? Physical Gold... in Fort Knox, uh...uh... no, you can't look inside... uh... just take these electronic 0 and 1's... what, no oil left to ship it from China on tanker with a panamanian flag...? No we don't have a merchent fleet... oh...

How are we gonba build it? With all the illegal aliens on the cheap...what? They all went back to Mexico, better job opportunities??? NAFTA???

Collapse bitchez

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:45 | 2424706 emersonreturn
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unbridled inflation may work, if the goal is simply to unleash corporate cash.  otherwise possibly tax incentives (that old chestnut): (1) to actually retool manufacturing and factories at home rather than offshore: (2) to search out new or more efficient ways to access minerals, rare or essential, and oil and gas: (3) tax incentives to invest in research and development: high tech, medical, chemical, low brow, or mechanical; (4) tax incentives to venture with universities and silicon valley; (5) incentives to joint venture with small companies or individuals to build, invent or improve existing but outdated concepts; (6) incentives for joint ventures with small developers to begin to compete with moribund corporations (competition may yet still work); (7) tax incentives granted to small regional banks and credit unions to begin to compete with criminal banks; (8) tax incentitives for kids to finish top of their class---without a loan: (9) tax incentives to allow people on social assistance to find employment within corporations: (10) tax incentives for corporations to partner with hospitals, elder-care facilities, public schools and state colleges: (11) tax incentives for corporations to partner with states and cities to manage and clean the nation's water.   yes, i know if the government allows all these tax breaks to anyone fool with a good idea and heart enough left to try and make the country and their loved ones better off--how will it run?  well, the government for the people seems okay with printing money, and hasn't a problem donating money to banks virtually free...

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:37 | 2424874 TheGardener
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Or so they teach you at the university. Let`s have them
closed for many more years it takes to clean the temple.

Clean good youth will get it one day and they will put us to shame then. Let`s clean out all the mess left, left and left.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:59 | 2424738 LawsofPhysics
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Everyone knows that the gig is up and that if you (whether this is a country, state, corporation or an individual) can't put your hands on the asset, you do not own it.  When no one trusts anyone else, counterparty risk is a bitch.  ZIRP is only making things worse, but that will simply light the match faster.  A small country (a.k.a. Japan) can pull off ZIRP when others will carry them and still buy their crap, but the whole world cannot use ZIRP.  Someone has to pay for the true cost of creating capital without creating any real fucking value (hello 99.99%).

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 17:09 | 2424967 blunderdog
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I've found it very helpful to keep a clear focus on the distinction between "capital" and "liquidity." 

Banks can create liquidity.  They cannot create capital.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:05 | 2424764 Peak Everything
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Real growth is over. Forever. Can we please stop publishing idiots who think growth is still possible. They just create noise and distract us from the real conversations that need to occur.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:14 | 2424794 sof_hannibal
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e x , (1+x/365) 365 ... exponential growth is totally possible via improvements in technology... google gogles will save us all! U just need the ability to dream; where is steve jobs when u need him? SARC.

" It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems,one vast and immane,interwoven,interacting,multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars,multi-dollars,reichmarks,rins, rubles,pounds,and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature,and YOU... WILL... ATONE! Am I getting through to you,Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM,and ITT,and AT&T,and DuPont,Dow,Union Carbide,and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state,Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories,minimaxsolutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments,just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies,Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations,inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business,Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live,Mr. Beale,to see that... perfect world... in which there's no war or famine,oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company,for whom all men will work to serve a common profit,in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided,all anxieties tranquilized,all boredom amused...." Network, 1977

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:37 | 2424875 LawsofPhysics
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All the "innovations listed here were made possible because the cheap resource capital was readily available (the "printed" capital doesn't mean shit, there can never be enough of that).

Now where the hell are those fusion reactors I ordered? Better get the up and going soon, because there isn't much real capital left in the world of DEBT.  One way or another we will either get those reactors OR we will get a debt jubilee.  For TPTB anyway, for the average joe, not so much.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:05 | 2424769 sof_hannibal
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And we all fall down togerher. Globalization at its best

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:41 | 2424886 LawsofPhysics
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That has always been the plan.  Just read the U.N. charter, or the IMF's.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 18:24 | 2425135 hornster
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The euro fallout should strengthen the dollar.  That plus global slowing may result in a big drop in oil.  That will do more to boost consumer confidence than anything the fed is doing, in fact it is the opposite.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 19:04 | 2425204 grunk
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We're all fucked.

That's what they meant by globalization.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:58 | 2425919 BlackholeDivestment
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(Mr. Grunk) ''Mr. Speaker! Parliamentary Inquiry''

(Speaker )  Mr. Grunk has the Floor.  

(Mr. Grunk) Awe we've got the funk?

(Speaker) The Clerk will read Zero Hedge. 

(Clerk) ...bitchez.

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