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Japanese Businesses Shuttering Chinese Facilities As Mainland Anger Spreads

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When you have central planners printing inverse-wealth (because money printing dilution by definition means less wealth for everyone), who needs that cornerstone of old school economics: trade. Certainly not Japan (which has been diluting its futures to prosperity for the past 30 years and somehow failing each and every time) and China, both of which are now starting to feel the consequences of the collapse in political relations as a result of the senseless spat of the Senkaku Islands (recorded in its full visual glory here). As the NYT reports, "major Japanese companies closed factories in China and urged expatriate workers to stay indoors Monday, after angry protests flared over a territorial dispute, which threatened to hurt trade ties between the two biggest Asian economies." What does the idiotic escalation in unprovoked Japanese tensions over a rock in the East China Sea (note: not West Japan Sea) for the bottom line of Japan? In a word: Lots.

"Increasing tensions further Monday, the Chinese state media warned Japan that it could suffer another “lost decade” if trade ties soured. China and Japan generated two-way trade worth $345 billion last year, and China is the biggest single trading partner of Japan. Protests broke out across dozens of Chinese cities over the weekend, some violent, in response to the Japanese government’s decision last week to buy some of the disputed islands from a private Japanese owner."

To summarize: in the past week alone, Japan has already suffered about $7 billion in lost benefit from trade as the trade relations between the two countries have frozen. But at least Japan's nationalistic pride is content: after all it managed to put up its flag on some completely meaningless island in the middle of nowhere, containing zero natural resources. Luckily for everyone, the central planners who are now in charge of everything, have a much better grasp on things.

More from the NYT:

The protests focused mainly on Japanese diplomatic missions but also struck shops, restaurants and car dealerships in at least five cities. Toyota and Honda reported that arson attacks had badly damaged their stores in Qingdao.

 

However, Toyota said that its Chinese factories and offices were operating normally Monday and that it had not called its Japanese employees home.

 

The Japanese electronics group Panasonic said that one of its plants had been sabotaged by Chinese workers and would remain closed through Tuesday, which is a memorial day in China to mark the 1931 occupation by Japan of parts of the mainland.

 

The Japanese electronics firm Canon stopped production at three of its four Chinese factories Monday and Tuesday, citing concerns over employees’ safety, according to Japanese media reports. All Nippon Airways also reported a rise in cancelations on Japan-bound flights from China.

 

The dispute also hit shares of Japanese retailers listed in Hong Kong on Monday, with the department store operator Aeon Stores (Hong Kong) falling to a seven-month low.

 

“All Japan-related shares are under selling pressure,” said Andrew To, a research director from Emperor Capital.

 

As Japan is among China’s largest trade partners, any harm to business and investment ties would be bad for both economies at a time when China faces a slowdown.

Naturally, Pax Americana is threatened if something, somewhere in the world is in danger of no longer conforming to the status quo:

Mr. Panetta said that the United States would stand by its security treaty obligations to Japan, but would not take sides in the row, and urged both sides to exercise calm and restraint.

 

It is in everybody’s interest “for Japan and China to maintain good relations and to find a way to avoid further escalation,” he said in Tokyo.

And while we are confident that Japan will promptly retract its neo-imperialistic ambitions especially versus an opponent it has no chance against, a far more troubling development is how China will react when food prices across the mainland soar once hot money flows can find no more parking spots in the US, whose economic collapse will eventually catch up with the farce that is the market, and reallocate toward China. How soon until we see the same Chinese demonstrations as targeting Japan, only this time focusing on the central printer in the subbasement of the Marriner Eccles building?

 

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Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:32 | 2802874 Oh regional Indian
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Well, it sure seems like the prelude to war I'm afraid. All around.

Rather obvious, clumsy but inescapable too, like the blind fist of a love crazed Godzilla.

ori

 

war-of-the-worlds

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:35 | 2802888 insanelysane
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But how does that work?  Is the US still Japan's military?  So we would have to go to war against the makers of Apple products??  That sounds so un-American.  The US military attacking Apple???

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:39 | 2802909 Oh regional Indian
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Isn't that insanelyinsane, insanelysane?

Eh?

ori

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:20 | 2803184 Precious
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Mass anti-Japanese protests in China.  Chinese loot Rolex store.  Nikkei rallies 2 %.  

 

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:10 | 2803472 Manthong
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It’s not about a couple of dinky islands.. it’s about the collapse of trade between the second and soon to be fourth largest economy in the world and effects on capitol markets.

Are there any Japanese Archdukes visiting Guangdong province?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:14 | 2803481 monkeyboy
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So does that mean I'll have to wait a little longer for my iPhone 5 to arrive?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:50 | 2804116 Unbezahlbar
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Why wait? Just tape your iPhone 2 to your iPhone 4....that way you'll be ahead of the crowd.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:20 | 2803519 monkeyboy
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Chinese Protests in action. Pics & Translation.

http://imgur.com/a/Y7oIp

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:25 | 2804262 greensnacks
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Wow. Surprised this is so under-reported in our media.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:14 | 2803148 Jethro
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The JDF is an extremely good military, and I'm pretty sure that it would punch well above it's weight in a committed military engagement.  They have good weaponry, very well trained personnel, and are professional.  They would put a hurtin' on anybody contemplating invading Japan. 

This is excellent timing on China's part, even if it might hurt them in the short term.  I'd be interested to see how froggy the Chinese population becomes, because all of their neighbors need to be watching this situation closely (India, Russia, Vietnam, etc).  If it becomes a scramble for resources, India needs to prepare.  The 60's and 70's seem to be playing out again everywhere else....

If the Chinese communist regime falls and is replaced by an ultra-Nationalist regime, anything could happen.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:31 | 2803177 hedgeless_horseman
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"How soon until we see the same Chinese demonstrations as targeting Japan, only this time focusing on the central printer in the subbasement of the Marriner Eccles building?"

No worries...

Or maybe not so happy?

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:32 | 2803244 kaiserhoff
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Damn, that WB7 stuff must be contagious;) 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:25 | 2803213 Jethro
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Damn....as if on queue.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/8144

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:57 | 2803376 Vlad Tepid
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There's no reason for Japan to roll over as Tyler seems to think they will do.  Panetta basically just backstopped their attempts to stand up for their territorial integrity.

And you're right Jethro, JSDF is very good and could easily keep everything short of a D-Day landing off the Senkakus and it'sunlikely China will push the issue that far.  China has no leg to stand on, they worn't get support from the Russians on this and the US says they have Japan's back.  China is the one backed into a corner because they can't afford to launch a conflict that they would lose and they now MUSTplacate the hordes they've unleased on unsuspecting Chinese owned sushi shops and car dealerships China-wide.  Good move there, dumbo.

I've detected an odd strain of anti-Japanese sentiment here on ZH, all the more strange given the beat downs we regularly administer to our local PRC guest AnAnonymous) but Jethro makes a very good point or mentioning that the neighbors are all keeping an eye on this because they know that China is running around their periphery announcing ancient and specious claims trying to rattle territorial concessions from their neighbors.  Those who think Japan may be a pushover can have no doubts Russia's capabilities as a land power and the Holy Grail of Chinese (specious) claims is to Russian territory to the north and Russia knows it. China will get no support in this from their neighbors as they know that the Red Dragon is looking at them with it's other heads.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:54 | 2804130 Unbezahlbar
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Panetta (aka Bankers rep) is there to tell the Japanese what the Rothchilds want them to do.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 12:32 | 2803820 AnAnonymous
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If the Chinese communist regime falls and is replaced by an ultra-Nationalist regime, anything could happen.
________________

It shall be an 'American' regime taking over.

All these demonstrations reek of 'Americanism'.

Reminds the 1980s in the US, save that in the US, a chinese was killed because US Americans thought he was a Japanese.

Harder for 'American' chinese to make that kind of mistakes...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:39 | 2803606 icanhasbailout
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My very first thought was: when's the US' turn?

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:37 | 2802900 zorba THE GREEK
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 A rare black swan from the Senkaku Islands looks to be spreading a case of the bird flu

in Japan that may turn out to be worse than the Bubonic Plague. 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:48 | 2802960 CheapBastard
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Japan has to do some thing to distract its masses away from the Fuki mess that is saturating their nation.

I guess those Japanese robotic dolls are nto enough distraction:

http://www.orient-doll.com/gallery/index.html#Nanaange

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:02 | 2803407 Vlad Tepid
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The Fukushima mess is saturating their nation?  You must be from that parallel dimension where the meltdown wasn't locally contained and cesium fallout was limited to a few scattered areas outside of the prefecture.

Or maybe it's the Japanese nation that's living in the parallel dimension, all 120 million, not one of whom has died of radiation effects. Quick someone warn them about the danger their not facing!

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:05 | 2803929 flattrader
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Not one of whom has died?  Because MSM hasn't broadcast it?

You're kidding right?

Do some reading.

enenews.com

And pletny sick...very. very sick.

http://enenews.com/crowd-gasps-as-mother-of-fukushima-worker-speaks-many...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:26 | 2804016 Vlad Tepid
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I don't give a crap what the MSM says, bloody shills and liars to the last man.  I only know what I see with my own eyes.  Do I deny a disaster? No?  Do I deny sickness in the local area?  No?  Do I deny a multi-generational cleanup effort?  No.   But I am sick to death of idiots on ZH who have been saying here ever since 3-11:  "The Japanese race will be extinct!"  "The islands will be uninhabitable in 4 months!"  "Thousands will die!"  "This will be worse than Chernobyl."  And guess what?  None of that has happened.  I held my breath in fear for months over this and as f-----g incompetent as the government and TEPCO have been before and after, the worse effects have been contained and are being dealt with by heroic folks, some of whose lifespans will undoubtedly be shortened by their efforts.  You do realize that a year and a half after Chernobyl, thousands had died and continued to die apace?  That is not what's happening here.

I live in Japan hald the year, more if I can help it.  I know hundreds and hundreds of Japanese people from all regions of the country and I am fluent in Japanese.  No one has died, even in spite of the fact that the MSM has not reported anyone dying either.  People have cleared out of the danger zones, are avoiding any food that might be contaminated and getting on with their life, ZH "Fuck-you-Shima Echo Chamber Chorus" notwithstanding.  

I read plenty of vernacular reports warning about the dangers and the risks of the disaster going ahead. They are daunting and I vocally advocate for Japan to denuclearize ASAP in spite of the energy cruch that will result and most of my Japanese friends agree with me.  But every time I get on ZH, and article that has "Japan" in the topic list attracts a phalanx of people saying "Arnie Gunderson this" and "ENENews that".  Yes, I aware of the reportage.  And unlike 99% of this layer of the blogosphere, I've been to Fukushima and talk with the people there.  Breathless hysterics and the uninformed prohesying of the end of Japanese race and the *a-hyuk!* whole island moving to the empty Chinese cities is just plain stupid.  So junk away, me laddies.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:30 | 2804286 flattrader
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Missed that report about 36% of the little kids in the area with thyroid nodules and cysts, eh?

http://enenews.com/now-35-8-of-fukushima-children-have-thyroid-cysts-or-...

Do you have any idea how unusual that is?

Just 0.8% of children in 2001 Japanese control group had thyroid cysts or nodules — 36% in Fukushima study

http://enenews.com/36-fukushima-children-thyroid-cysts-nodules-compares-...

Where do you think THAT leads?

>>>I live in Japan hald the year, more if I can help it.<<<

I think you should move to Fukushima full-time...and good luck with that.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 15:15 | 2804409 Vlad Tepid
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Your oh-so-third-grade death wish upon me and my family aside, I think living in Fukushima Prefecture is an extremely risky proposition and the government report clearly states as much, and I would never recommend that someone do so.  Many have decided to stay.  They may have unpleasant consequences in the future, we shall see.  None of that negates what I've said.  There are adverse effects to living in contaminated areas and no one has died.

I can see by the fact that you linked two ENENews articles after I questioned the citing of a single source ad infinitum that you are perhaps wedded to them or in their employ.  If I offended your attempt to gin up readership I apologize.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 16:12 | 2804548 flattrader
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You also seem to think that those four reactors aren't still speweing?  Wishful thinking on your part.

You think radiation stops at municipal and prefecture borders?  Bad meteorology on your part.

You seem to think that radioactive bio-accumulation doesn't spread throughout the food chain and adds up?  Bad math on your part.

Or that another sizeable EQ won't bring what's left of those four reactor buildings still loaded with damaged and spent fuel down to the ground without notice?  Bad parenting on your part.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/

http://fukushima-diary.com/

http://simplyinfo.org/

Plenty of news to read...much from English speaking Japanese.

Good luck with that.

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 16:27 | 2804834 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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You may want to watch this video about Chernobyl. The health effects took decades to emerge:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-battle-of-chernobyl/

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 16:49 | 2804929 flattrader
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Yep...Decades.

And because it doesn't happen overnight or it is far away or not in my part of Japan, there are no problems.

Narrated Photo Essay

http://www.thenation.com/blog/167593/legacy-chernobyl

...a different race of people...

And this guy takes his family back and forth to Japan...un-fucking-believable...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:43 | 2802928 Gully Foyle
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Hmmm, does this mean the Chinese will be trashing their Anime and Manga?

I've seen Chinese animation and it's pretty shitty.

Matter of fact even the majority of their modern films are crappy. Koreans have taken the lead in Asian film.

ORI

No prelude to war.

Nobody wants to stop the flow of business.

China is warning the US, China and Russia I mean.

Right now they are slowing the tide of Northern Western world domination, with everything that entails.

It's like the three way shoot out in The Good the Bad and the Ugly, but in this case everybody with a gun thinks they are better off in charge or at least independent.

Then again China and India both have excess testosterone driven males they need to cull.

Maybe start paying attention when the Indians get involved.

Until then it's just more noise to tweak the discomfort level.

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:50 | 2802976 Oh regional Indian
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Gully, look at the speed at which Americans are being brought home on the pretext of thsi Anti-Islam video. THey can use it as an excuse.

Put that in the context of all else that is happening (seen BDI lately? Scary!!!).....

The great big "exercise" at sea in the ME....

 

I agree it's a chess game and subtle and not so subtle signals are being sent, but it all feels really heavy, dense and hair-triggery.

 

India is a US/Zio pawn. All the way, to be activated when needed.

ori

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:09 | 2803448 Jethro
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ORI, I disagree that India is merely a pawn of the US.  Much for the same reason that India wasn't a pawn of Russia in the 50's and 60's.  Granted, the political leadership is typically extremely corrupt, but from what I witnessed in dealing with the families of Chief Ministers, etc, and the general population on a day to day basis....they are more nationalistic than to toe another country's line. 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 15:07 | 2804466 pashley1411
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I definately in the "the local Chinese kid flexing his new muscles" camp.    How far are those islands from Taiwan, again?    

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 01:18 | 2806126 meatbag
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This is all about "flexing new muscles".  I have lived and worked in Asia for many years and I have never seen anything like this in China (and I am here and its still happening Tuesday morning).  Its very clear that this is not Communist Party propaganda, it is not staged, its not about oil, its not about US flase flags.   Just a few years ago, most Chinese were still struggling with subsistence to consider themselves able to seek anything resembling revenge or even chest pounding.   However, the last several years in China I have observed a dramatic change.  Lots of people have hit the sweet spot.  They have accumulated enough money to tell me "fuck you" I don't need your business.  Go back to where you came from.  We don't need outsiders help any longer.    That is what this is about.  While they just want Americans to go home, the want to barbecue the Japanese because of real or perceived events during WWII. 

Why this is happening in China right now is clear to me to be driven only by the fact that the common Chinese person finally has accumulated enough money that they are finished being anyone bitch and the first to go happens to be the Japanese.

What I can't explain is why the Japanese would provoke this right now.  Perhaps this is a US/NWO plan.  Perhaps  the people pulling the strings have realized that the time is ripe in China to unleash the pent up resentments of having to be a bitch to the developed world.  I don't know who is behind Japan's moves.  However, I can assure you that the Chinese government is not in control of anything here in China.  They are just going along for this ride and I am sure they have no idea where it will take them.

What worrisome is that the Chinese really are acting like kids.  They really are way over the top, its frightening to see just how easy it is from them to be whipped into a nationalistic frenzy.   It starts with the Japanese, but with the Chinese being so xenophobic, I am sure it will not stop with the Japanese.

Clearly high IQs and common sense do not have a correlation.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2802936 TPTB
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Like two deep sea octopus struggling to lay claim on a succulent lobster patch.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:11 | 2803462 monkeyboy
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So does that mean I'll have to wait a little longer for my iPhone 5 to arrive?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:16 | 2803495 Stuck on Zero
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As I said before ... a few hundred smart mines in the waters around the Senkakus will render them unusable by anyone for many years.  It could avert a war.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:36 | 2802878 GetZeeGold
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Totally forgot about those guys.

 

The entire world seems to be a little ticked off this morning. Not sure why.

 

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:50 | 2802979 DeadFred
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My look at the markets right now sees an epic setup for a fall and we're going to get the full court press of bad news right now so all those capitulation long positions can be harvested. Obviously it's about more than the markets but the angst we're seeing all seems orchestrated. Yes there are massed protests in China but who thinks these are not organized by the government? And has anyone heard a rational explanation of why the Japanese thought this would be a good idea, anyone? Yes riots are happening over a video but how many of those rioters even knew this video existed until it was pointed out to them? Korans are burned all the time and anti-Islamic videos are a dime a dozen but this time they're getting major publicity. This is what it looks like when the sheep are getting sheared.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:43 | 2803281 ParkAveFlasher
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Pluto in Capricorn squares Uranus in Aries.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:32 | 2804294 Cathartes Aura
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^^

whoa, I'm not the only one here who knows this, ha.

and Pluto, retrograde since April, goes direct tonight at 10pm PST, square Uranus exact. . .

the archetypes at work here, Pluto (death to old ways of being that prevent new growth) in Capricorn (belief systems made tangible, such as religion, governments, etc.) square (90dg = tension between conflicting ideas), Uranus (sudden events that change perception to include a wider point of view) in Aries (god of war). . .

what energy has been held back since April is unleashed as a force for massive, global change.  this is a multi-year archetype for global tension, necessary for outdated systems to crumble - burn back the fields to plant new growths. . .

(by the way, last time Pluto was in Capricorn, amrka fought a revolution & formed a constitution. or so the story goes. . .)

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:33 | 2802882 Whoa Dammit
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Isn't globalism fun? /s

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:35 | 2802890 GetZeeGold
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It's an E-ticket!

 

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2802988 Boondocker
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+1 for old disney reference

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:34 | 2802884 killallthefiat
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Apparently the Chinese like to plant their flag on worthless islands too.  If the whole world united against China, especially in light of the fact that they are attemping to spend trillions in worthless US Fed notes, would the Chinese economic miracle stand a chance.

 

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:36 | 2802891 insanelysane
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We can't let anything hurt Apple's stock price.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:37 | 2802899 eigenvalue
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No, the Chinese are not interested in the island itself. They are interested in oil and natural gas reserves around the island.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2802989 bugfixx
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Exactly.  It's always about oil.  US State Dept. spokesperson Vicki Nuland says the US "doesn't hava a position on Senkaku Islands sovereignty."  Didn't the First Gulf War start because of a similar gaffe over Kuwait?

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:58 | 2803041 insanelysane
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.  Oil is so 1900s.  Solar is the energy source of the 2000s and China is just trying to capture a little of the Rising Sun.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:04 | 2803420 Vlad Tepid
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Ha!  Good one!

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:04 | 2803085 Sofa King Confused
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China needs to just buy the islands from Japan.  Give Japan the 1 trillion or so of US ( soon to be worth a lot less ) reserves that it is holding.  Problem solved

 

Did China really think they would get paid back one day???  HA HA

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:58 | 2806113 meatbag
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This is about pride.  The oil was the reason to draw both of them to the islands, but it is the pride that is fueling the conflict.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:45 | 2802942 Gully Foyle
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killallthefiat

Boy you best pay attention to how China is dealing with the rest of the world.

Everything isn't US-centric.


Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:35 | 2802887 eigenvalue
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My on-the-ground source told me that these demonstrations and protests were in fact organised by the local authorities. Demonstrators and protestors were hired. 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:39 | 2802908 tip e. canoe
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i smell a Bo

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:43 | 2802930 eigenvalue
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The purposes of organising these demonstrations and protests seem diverse. As far as I know, one purpose is to enable the local authorities to ask for more money from above in order to "maintain the local stability"...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:09 | 2803120 tip e. canoe
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entirely possible (like OWS actually), but if you look at the map, they were all over the provinces.   i'm a firm believer in memes spreading like wildfire and know that chinese netizens are organized like a hive mind, but the coincidence of this AND the nat'l congress next month AND the mysterious accident of Xi is uncanny, don't you think?

something's fishy...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 12:06 | 2803705 Zero-risk bias
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"something's fishy..."


Not being completely literate in Chinese, still it would seem that there's definetly a meme over the weekend. I got that.

I've decided to carry my notepad and pen this week, and practicing translating the phrase ".. just one more thing.."

; )

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:42 | 2802922 zorba THE GREEK
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Evalue     The way they broke out in cities all over China at the same time, it does appear there 

is some central planning in the mix. I do feel sorry for all the Chinese people that bought

Japanese cars though.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2802961 eigenvalue
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You just need to feel sorry for the citizens who bought Japanese cars. Those "demonstrators" didn't dare to touch the Japanese cars bought by the government...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:14 | 2803150 Stuck on Zero
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:55 | 2806110 meatbag
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Ah, wrong.  Your on-the-ground source must have told you what you wanted to here.  I can assure you, the Chinese hate the Janapese, no need to pay anyone.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:38 | 2802902 HD
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I buy all my robots from Japan. Robots made in China. I am so screwed.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:39 | 2802910 eigenvalue
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Robots from Japan? You mean Gundams?:)

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2802973 HD
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Maybe... A man can only build so many WW2 era airplanes.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:39 | 2802905 Sheeple Shepard
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Good grief that'll be a messy war. They really, really hate each other those two.
Going long genocide and mass rape anyone?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:44 | 2802933 Oh regional Indian
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Japan is screwed because they've been planted with a historical belief in their superiority. I speak from long experience with the nation and it's folks. 

Underneath all that bowing and scraping is a fairly jingoistic, fascist and dictatorial mind-set. 

And for China, memories of Nanking are enough to stoke this kind of response anytime.

ori

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2802974 TIMBEEER
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That sounds pretty much like the Greek.. no, Turkish .. no, American .. no, Indian .. the French .. wait a minute..

Btw, the Japanese and certain Chinese people are found to have the highest IQ on the planet with the "western world" following closely behind. Black Africa and Haitians etc are on the other end of the list.

So this is High Intelligence at work? (Just a rethorical question not pointed at you ORI)

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:00 | 2803061 Oh regional Indian
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I think it's high Left brain/Quant oriented system produced scenario.

No barance...

ori

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:07 | 2803109 JohnKozac
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Top Test Scores From Shanghai Stun Educators

 

PISA scores are on a scale, with 500 as the average. Two-thirds of students in participating countries score between 400 and 600. On the math test last year, students in Shanghai scored 600, in Singapore 562, in Germany 513, and in the United States 487.

 

In math, the Shanghai students performed in a class by themselves, outperforming second-place Singapore, which has been seen as an educational superstar in recent years. The average math scores of American students put them below 30 other countries.

 

In science, Shanghai students scored 575. In second place was Finland, where the average score was 554. The United States scored 502 — in 23rd place — with a performance indistinguishable from Poland, Ireland, Norway, France and several other countries.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/education/07education.html?pagewanted=...

 

It's sad. Even our high school chemistry books are written at a 5th grade reading level.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:20 | 2803185 malikai
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Yea, because standardized tests clearly elucidate national intelligence.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:20 | 2803520 Stuck on Zero
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Shanghai, huh?  The elite of China.  What about the Western provinces?  It's like the USA bragging about test scores for students in Silicon Valley.

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:40 | 2802912 fuu
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Caught between a wok and a hard place.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:05 | 2803097 Oh regional Indian
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that hard place looks artifical fuu. Self-induced.

Via Viagra.

ori

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2803105 fuu
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Deflationist.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:24 | 2803210 Oh regional Indian
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Ponzi Priapist Perhaps?

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:41 | 2803279 fuu
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Lingering lingam lingers.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:41 | 2802916 oldfruit1
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these protests are sponsored by the chinese communist party .. simthey want to externalise hatred against an old enemy. look at the pictures, the red banners in shops with anti japanese messages and so on, it seems carefully planned. the chinese state is brutally repressive, so its obvious they are allowing people to behave in this way and are probably stage managing the whole show.

the chinese state knows that the country is facing huge economic and social problems .. the chickens are coming home to roost, they fear the people will turn their anger and frustration against the state unless they give them another target to vent their discontent towards. japan is the perfect foil.

the irony is that for all chinese talk about japan and their imperialistic tendancies, china has in recent times forcefully overrun tibet, hypocrisy of the highest order.  

fruity

 

 

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2802947 Biosci
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...hypocrisy of the highest order

Geopolitics has never been the place to find intellectual or ideological consistency.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:10 | 2803121 kaiserhoff
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China is the leading imperialist of the modern world.  Just ask Tibet or Nepal.

You can argue that Kashmir should be part of India or Pakistan..., but FUCKING CHINA????????????

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=fptb-yff...

 

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:45 | 2802938 CheapBastard
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The Diaoyu Islands dispute is tiny compared to the massive currency wars being waged between USA and the rest of the world---Australia, China, EU, UK and so on.

Loss of purchasing power will harm alot more people.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:46 | 2802946 Kaiser Sousa
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the japanese have it coming as a result of what the did to china during their delusional empirial desires before and during WWII...

now look at'em...depending on their soon to be bitch-ified protector and pimp the US to save their asses....

fuck Japan...

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:40 | 2803461 Vlad Tepid
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At least they ended their "delusional empirial {sic} desires" when they knew the game was up.  Unlike SOME fiat producing countries I know.

As for what the Japanese did to the Chinese during the war, as horrific as it was, history has proven that the Chinese are a much greater threat to the lifespan of a Chinese person than anyone else. 

 

Fuck China for fucking themselves.  And fuck you, Kaiser Sousa (marched in any good bands lately?) for good measure.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2802950 TIMBEEER
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I guess Japan will soon realize it finally has to start its nuclear WMD program.

Btw, if you fight against Japan, you don't need nuclear warheads. Kim Jong Il Sun or whatever, the North Korean high priest and commander nominated by the gods/spirits/fairies only needs to have conventional missles that can fly as far as to Fukushima or any other nuclear reactor. Umm, that applies to all countries that are "blessed" with nuclear engergy.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:58 | 2803040 slackrabbit
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Actually Kim Jong Sun has been firing the military as fast as he can. He also has opned up fre trade zones with the chinese in order to reform the economy.

We can olny hope the old guard don't over throw him, while he cleans up Daddy / GrandDaddy's mess...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:26 | 2803217 malikai
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What I want to know is.. If the great leader is so damn tough.. Why did they give him a girl's name?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 21:15 | 2809297 Abbie Normal
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Sarcasm aside, Kim means gold in Korean, and it's their surname, not their first name.  I know a lot of Korean women named Kim but can't think of any with that same first name.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2802953 Farside
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Wasn't Japan asking Russia for islands to evacuate 14 million from the glow-in-the-dark North just a few months back?

I guess Russia said no because Japan is now trying to buy some from China. 

If China refuse then what? There are two choices, either send the 14 million as refugees all over the world or take some land by force.

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:55 | 2803014 TIMBEEER
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Wasn't that the other way around - that some Russian politician offered the people of the Raising  uh.. Radiating Sun to move to Siberia?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:03 | 2803083 oldfruit1
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farside, .. read the basic facts before typing on a blog. JAPAN ISNT BUYING ANYTHING FROM CHINA OR TRYING TO ..THEY WERE BUYING FROM A PRIVATE OWNER. NOOB.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:49 | 2802968 Jayda1850
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Can't help but think about the 2-minute hate from 1984. Orwell was a true prophet.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2802994 Jethro
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Are we at peak flat screen TVs yet?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:02 | 2803025 TIMBEEER
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Chinese POWs could get mighty handy at the Fukushima cleanup efforts. No radiation doses to montior.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:57 | 2803031 eddiebe
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Experiments show that if you crowd rats together in a small place they start attacking each other. This is not meant to call asiatic races rats, just to show that overpopulating has adverse consequences.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:59 | 2803046 LawsofPhysics
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When real goods and services stop crossing borders, troops will.  Same as it ever was.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:59 | 2803050 slackrabbit
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Maybe the Chinese are following Krugman's recipe for restoring the economy...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:00 | 2803057 helping_friendl...
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The Japs have had this ass whooping by the Chinese coming for a long time. The US should just stay out of the way and let China, Russia and Japan sort this out. We have naval bases on Okinawa but, the USA should stay out of it unless invited to get involved.

Fuck the Japs!!!!

They are Province (slave) of China!

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:13 | 2803142 oldfruit1
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im guessing you are chinese from this statement ..

china is an evil authoritatian state which not only brutalises its own people but thinks it can go around walking into other counties like tibet claiming them as their own. ZH and followers are rightly angered by US imperialism but why dont these same values apply to china? why is japan the bad guy all of a sudden, post war japan has been peaceful nation which has contributed in a positive way to the rest of the world. what has china done? apart from rip off loads of intellectual property from the west, walked into other countries soverign territories and ethnically cleanse them (not just tibet, but parts of india) & all the while get upset anytime anyone critisises them.

china has blown a credit bubble in the east, there the state owns the banks, so ZH followers may think the FED - INVESTMENT BANKS link is bad, but in china they are one in the same! they are 10* worse than the US in every way possible.

fruity

 

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:21 | 2803195 Popo
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Yes. Plus 1000

Furthermore, Japan needs territory desperately as a result of a nuclear tragedy. China is the one being imperialist here. Japan tried diplomacy, and then out of desperation attempted to *buy* the territory. How is that evil?

Meanwhile China is whipping it's own citizens into a frenzy, turning this whole thing into a cases belli to deflect attention from China's own hard landing.

I feel sorry for the Japanese in this scenario. And all the jackasses making WW2 references? Sorry, but the Japanese have paid a heavier toll for WW2 than most countries.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:37 | 2803267 malikai
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Territory? It's a rock that submerges every high tide.

It's about a tiny little oil&gas field which will produce at maximum about 100kbbl/d.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:42 | 2803619 Vlad Tepid
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You might be confusing those with the Spratley Islands.  The Senkakus stay well above the waterline at high tide.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:54 | 2804124 malikai
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I know. It was an exaggeration. The point was to illustrate the negative real value of the islands vs. the marginal value of the field.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:15 | 2804206 Popo
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Ok, let's assume that you're right and this is about oil. How and when did China become the "good guy" in this equation?

Competition for resources is natural. What we're witnessing on the ground is pure hate, whipped up by Chinese government propaganda.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 18:43 | 2805307 malikai
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China, Japan, Korea, are all generally xenophobic societies, each with a history of conquest and defeat. Plenty of reasons to hate your neigbors around there. Governments have used this tool for as long as there have been governments.

The reality is that China has been producing Chunxiao for a couple years now and have secured the area. Usually that means fuck off, but Japan has this energy problem now.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:21 | 2803527 Vlad Tepid
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I agree with you, largely and the gent above.  I am very surprised at all the vitriolic spew coming Japan's way on in the past few weeks.  The WORST Japan has done in the past 70 years involves logging old growth tropical wood without environmental permits in equatorial thrid world nations.  The Chinese have been murdering their own people in the MILLIONS and starting countless regional wars in that time period.  The US has been running imperialist roughshod over the world.  Japan has been fucking ANGELIC compared to 99% of all nations on earth and then they buy land from their own citizens that had been occupied by the same fishing family since the 1800s on territory that was one of the few pieces of "external" land not stripped from them after a ridiculous militarist clique seized their country and allowed their cities to be razed.

I'm sorry but I will stand here on ZH and defend Japan and all other rational, diplomatic,peaceful and sedate countries from childish hysteria and foaming, government agitated rage.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 12:09 | 2803712 New Normalist
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Got no dog in this fight. But Japanese ANGELIC? Really?

Tell the Okinawans about that. China has no right to be in Tibet just as Japan has no right to be in Okinawa.

Or maybe the South Koreans can chime in with the Takeshima/Dokdo chain dispute that took place last month?

Did the Germans ever try to whitewash or downplay the tragedy that the Third Reich inflicted in the textbooks and in schools?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies

How about until this day, Japan never publicly issued an apology for all the comfort women, or wait, I mean "forced sex slaves" from S. Korea, Taiwa, China, and various SE Asian nations?

Just saying...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 12:57 | 2803906 Vlad Tepid
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The Japanese treatment of Okinawa since the end of WWII is almost synonymous with US treatment of it's....oh, say Creole population.  Ethnically and culutrally different?    Sure.  Given the shit-end of the stick economically and politically?  Sure.  (Katrina and cramming all (most) of the US bases in Okinawa. But an integral part of the nation nonetheless.  There are very VERY few Okinawan nationalists the way there are, say,Hawaiian nationalists.  It's not an issue.  They seek equality within the system and they don't get it.

The Takeshima controversy is another local dispute that occasionally flares up like the Kurile islands and both sides posture and then settle back into decades stale diplomacy.

The textbook controversy is so minimal as to benot existant.  The Chinese and Koreans bring it up because it the ONLY point on which they can nail Japan.  Should Japan do more to acknowledge their past?  Probably, but what good would it do.  They have categorically rejected the root that all of those problems stemmed from - militarism and jingoism.  I don't care what they have in their textbooks.  I think the way that US textbooks grovel at the altar of past mistakes (Native American presecution, slavery, suppression of women's rights) to the point of excluding most other actual wrongs (aggressive war against Mexico and Spain, atrocities in the Philippines, support of dictators during the Cold War) is sickening.  I will not apologize for past events that I never participated in and would never commit myself and I admire the Japanese for saying the same.

And my point is still valid: minor ethic chauvinism, small diplomatic border disputes and domestic education policy.  These are the worse things that can be said about Japan since the end of the war.  Finland could do no better (the Saami, prickly issues with Russia, and textbook disputes.)  Therefore, angelic, comparing the competition.  Just saying...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:15 | 2803151 indygo55
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I have an idea. Let China buy the ENTIRE Japanese country with USD, turn the whole place into a giant solar array (since it's too radioactive for anyone to live there) and move all the Japanese people to Detroit. /S

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:15 | 2803153 JR
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Published 6 minute video on Aug 29, 2012 by ARSONomics

Oil Wars: China / Japan Senkaku Dispute

“American media portray the Japan / China conflict over the Senkaku Islands as nothing more than a squabble over who owns a few rocks. But it's really about the OIL/Gas fields and who owns the rights to control them.”

Sound bites from the No Agenda News Network video:  Nobody’s cared about these islands until the discovery of a big gas field within the purview of these islands that you can access north of the islands… The way the media is playing this is to never give it a motive…

…worse we’re now sending over ships to patrol the area…to protect the fields perhaps? Why not. We’re protecting the poppy fields; we have drones running up and down the pipe lines… all this on a small cluster of islands nobody lives on? … the protests,all so staged…

…whenever we bring out the drones it’s always to protect some oil and gas…and the shallow media claims it’s just rocks…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J04AJhbvnYk

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:26 | 2803555 Vlad Tepid
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Japan cared about them.  That's why Japanese people have owned them for generations and used them as a peaceful fishing outpost during the decades that the Chinese were murdering each other, destroying the "Four Olds," Revolving their Culture, Leaping Forward Greatly, playing hide and seek with the Soviets along the Amur River and the Indians in the Himalayas, invading Vietnam, threatening Taiwan, erasing Tibetan and Uigher culture, and juicing up underage supergirls to dominate in Olympic gymnastics.

See the Chinese have been buuuuuusy, so they'veonly had time to get around to complaining that the rocks are theirs noooooooooow.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 12:03 | 2803691 JR
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Excellent point. And it’s important to remember that China is a Communist country ruled by totalitarian forces intent on dominating the entire Pacific Rim region; not exactly the same motive held by the Japanese.

The dispute is obviously originated now by the Chinese, even organizing the protests with witless youths destroying Chinese-owned vehicles and other property, to make hay with the U.S. media, not unlike the disgusting performance of Netanyahu on U.S. television during the presidential campaign hoping, eagerly pleading, for Americans to fight and die again for Israel.

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:58 | 2804414 Cathartes Aura
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who could have known, when the Nixon Shock ended Bretton Woods, & his NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR Kissinger "opened" the door to China, that any of this would be happening. . .

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:17 | 2803166 Eric L. Prentis
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Citizen revolt is the vulnerable downside to efficient globalization. Supply-chain-management disruption of a just-in-time system will be the world economy’s undoing. Global depression—here we come.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:17 | 2803167 Shizzmoney
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Japan-China war would be interesting.

Is Benny going to QE for that, too?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:50 | 2803339 Arnold Ziffel
Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:57 | 2803373 Urban Redneck
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This is a sin of omission and is unworthy of ZH... which (rightfully) allows any and every nutjob conspiracy theory in recorded history to be posted.

But at least Japan's nationalistic pride is content: after all it managed to put up its flag on some completely meaningless island in the middle of nowhere, containing zero natural resources.

Of all the questionable interractions between the biggest business (oil) and big government, the settlement of contested maritime boundaries through negotiation, arbitration, and war,  and the subsequent E&P contract awards to energy companies friendly to the victorious side are actually not only publically documented by the usually worthless commentariat, but by the original legal source documents - treaties and tribunal judgements as well as the concession agreements (which cost a bit more to get copies of).

Little things like who currently exercises sovereingty over a pile of exposed rocks- actually usually override such mudane concepts as the geography of continental shelves, mountain ranges, or rivers.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:16 | 2803493 humblepie
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Anyone wondered about the timing of this purchase event? I think Japan got the green light from the U.S. and other nations who will support the impending Israel-Iran conflict.  This is an ingenious plot to entangle the Chinese on its home front so it won't be able to interfere in the Middle East.  The Chinese is already having internal succession issues. This recent move by the Japanese will keep them busy for a while.  The Chinese are in a real predicament. If Japan does not retract, which of course it won't, they will have to invade or severe relationships. This will start a chain of events that could completely change the way things have been working for the past twenty years.  Eventually, after the dust settles, Apple may have  to set up shop back here in the USA. I think Ben was told to turn on the UNLIMITED spigot, to soften the waterfall that's coming.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:30 | 2803571 Vlad Tepid
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If it is a plot, I can't credit any State Dept. dumkoff with such genius. Maybe it was a shogiplaying Japanese.  Something you left out is that China, which had been united with Russia over the issie of Iran (and still is) has alienated Russiain this issue and can expect no support from them.  China has been totally diplomatically isolated here and, as you said, will have to back off or be forced to take actions that would have dreadful military consequences for them.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:04 | 2804156 Unbezahlbar
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Japan has already suffered over $7 Billion in trade losses with other Asian countries as a result of their land grab. Is this really worth it to them?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:32 | 2804297 Vlad Tepid
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This is not a land grab!  Japanese have had possession of the islands the whole time!

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:41 | 2803616 KevinH
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"But at least Japan's nationalistic pride is content: after all it managed to put up its flag on some completely meaningless island in the middle of nowhere, containing zero natural resources."

 

Umm...there are alot of oil at the Diaoyu Islands...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:26 | 2804011 Banksters
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China's high male to female ratio coupled with a crappy economy make these type of out bursts inevitable. Fortunately, they've forgotten Mao and his genocidal antics. Have fun kiddies-war is hell.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:30 | 2804026 laomei
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Japan's screwed.  China launched 1000 fishing boats off to the island and they're due to hit there rather soon.  Being protected by 6 patrol boats.  If Japan's dumb enough to fire off some shots (impossible to arrest them all), it's a casus belli.  Furthermore, it would be Japan instigating it, which would be a constitutional crisis and outside the bounds of the US defense treaty.  If Japan's got any brains about them at all, they will just let it go and take the high road.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:10 | 2804183 Vlad Tepid
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First of all, since Japan claims (and administers) the islands, using force in defense of their internationally recognized territory would not result in a constitutional crisis, nor would it be outside the bounds of the US treaty.  Furthermore, unlike China, Japan actually has a viable blue water Navy and could deal with whatever Chinese vessels make it that far without breaking down enroute.

I will also point out that Japan has taken the high road on this, a few emotional Okinawan fishermen notwithstanding.  Sending a thousand fishing boats to swamp the island is the very antithesis of taking the high road - it's just a hysterical overreaction.  Calling on one's negotiating partner to take the high road while one's own side is throwing violent tantrums is a double standard the world has not failed to notice.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 15:23 | 2804547 laomei
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It's not internationally recognized, that's kinda sorta the point here.  Hence, disputed.

The case for Japan is very weak.

China has claims going back to the 1300s.  And has records to document their use and making a claim.

Japan's claims begin with a sneak move 4 months prior to the unequal treaty of 1895.  Prior to this, they were recognized as Chinese

In 1931 they were ruled to be under the jurisdiction of Taiwan.

Shimonoseki was invalidated in 1945

In 1972 the US ended its occupation of the Ryukyu island chain (which included the islands)

China protested the reversion in 1971, which incidently coincides with taking its seat in the UN and the planned reversion.

The protest was ignored.

In 1972 with normalization of relations, China and Japan agreed to shelve the issue until a later time.

China now has the power to administer the islands and the naval forces to secure them.  

These are traditional fishing grounds for Chinese and as such the claim is greater, more historical and Japan has zero legitimate claim.

 

So there we are.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 16:22 | 2804800 Urban Redneck
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See Cambodia v Thailand before the ICJ.   Simple state of international law is "you snooze, you looze" (Thailand didn't raise objections to a map at the time it published, which happed to disregard the clearly written text of a legally binding treaty which described the boundary in a distinctly different fashion).

Possession is still 9/10ths of the Law.  If the inhabitants on the rock identify w/ the Japanese, then China has a problem.  (Of course it's nothing that can't be fixed by changing the identities of the inhabitants of the rock...)

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 17:38 | 2805110 laomei
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The rocks are empty

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 18:48 | 2805320 Urban Redneck
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Then China has a problem since "somebody" has to have a established some sort of claim in order to have "sold" them to Japan.  Getting back to the you snooze, you lose aspect- by not previously challenging  "somebody's" claim it opens the door to the Japanese government espousing the claim of the "seller" diplomatically and thereby making the claim its own.  That would be how the US government got a several tons of gold out of the Spanish Crown, right before turning around and declaring war on Spain in the Spanish American War (Mora v Spain).  China should really get themselves some good lawyers or a better navy (option A is quicker, but putting the right team of legal scholars and arbitrators together can be a bit challenging) 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:16 | 2804217 robertocarlos
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I did not know 50 Centers wrote articles for ZH. China will kick Japan's a$$? You must be joking.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:23 | 2804254 Belteshazzar
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I personally suspect something a bit more complex than a simple territorial dispute. Otherwise, why would the PRC government let all of these anti-Japan protests go on?

Meanwhile, has Xi Jinping been seen in public yet? Y'know, the guy who is supposed to take over running the country in a month's time?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:31 | 2804288 Vlad Tepid
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He finally popped up about 2 days ago, no explanation given.  How auspicious that this territorial row peaked just when most Chinese would otherwise be asking themselves what the hell is going on inside their government.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 14:44 | 2804341 robertocarlos
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I don't trust the media. Was he holding a copy of that day's newspaper?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 15:01 | 2804433 Vlad Tepid
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Good point!  He was meeting workers or some such...suppose it could have been taken any time.  Workers do a lot of workin' in China.

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