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Japan's Demographic Death Rattle In 3 Charts And 333 Words

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Courtesy of Bloomberg's Michael McDonough, here is how the end game for demographically defunct, deflationary debt holes such as Japan looks like extrapolated into the future. And for the time-strapped it is condensed into 333 words and 3 charts.

Via Bloomberg Brief:

In less than two years, more than one in four Japanese citizens will be over the age of 65, up from one in five in 2006 and one in 10 in 1985. The proportion of the population over 65 is expected to swell to 30 percent by 2022 and to 40 percent by 2050, according to government estimates. This will put the country as a whole in the demographic range of the prefectures that experienced the sharpest declines in growth in the decade ended 2009.

Fewer workers and less labor will reduce the potential output of the Japanese economy, which will increase the country’s reliance on imports as retirees continue to spend, inhibiting GDP growth. The rising number of retirees will strain the government’s welfare programs and the country’s pension funds, which have been major buyers of government bonds. Japan already maintains the world’s second-largest debt load in nominal terms at more than $13.7 trillion and growing.

The government sees this problem. Last week, Japan’s lower house of parliament passed a bill giving private-sector workers the right to remain at their jobs until the age of 65, rather than the current 60.

Japan’s demographics will also likely have an impact on consumer behavior. Japanese consumers older than 65 are less likely to shop for alcohol, clothing, books and electronics compared with younger consumers, according to a McKinsey survey from 2011. The average senior shops for books and clothing 38 and 35 times per year, respectively, compared with 73 and 58 times for people between the ages of 18 and 34. The only item seniors shop for more frequently than younger consumers is food, McKinsey found.

How Japan faces its demographic challenges over the next several decades may provide important lessons for countries
such as China, which has a rapidly increasing senior population due largely to the one-child policy. People over 65 account for nearly 10 percent of the population in China — similar to Japan in 1985 — up from 6 percent 20 years ago.


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Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:00 | 2684202 malikai
Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:47 | 2684483 Precious
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Oh no!  By 2050 Japan will have the same number of people as South Korea !

Until then ... all those damn old people.   Who will take care of them? 

Anyway, Japanese only copy stuff.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:52 | 2684204 MillionDollarBoner_
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Robots, Bitchez!

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:56 | 2684216 TrillionDollarBoner
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That's a darn small boner you have there

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:57 | 2684222 GetZeeGold
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Yeah.....but it glows in the dark.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:57 | 2684223 GMadScientist
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Be nice, can't you see the man lost a ball?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:26 | 2684487 Precious
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You didn't make that account.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:51 | 2684625 Oh regional Indian
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Yup, Japanese workforce has long been button pushers on massive robot-ized factories anyways. First Fondly Provided by FANUC+GE+GM, + Mr. Deming of course.

Robot nation indeed.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:59 | 2684653 Gavrikon
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A horribly overcrowded country is going to become less so, while seniors are assisted by their robots and automated labor saving devices.

What's not to like?

Oh, excuse me.  I forgot.  It isn't Die-verse enough.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 19:15 | 2689355 CptNerd
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Only the Tokyo and Osaka megaplexes are "horribly overcrowded", and they seem to handle it well.  I rode out into the countryside to the north and most of the country outside of cities is no more "overcrowded" than rural Ohio or Indiana.  Tokyo is like a Los Angeles-sized Manhattan Island, but it's nowhere near a "Make Room! Make Room!" dystopia.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:53 | 2684205 Snakeeyes
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Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:15 | 2684258 Big Slick
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From an analytical standpoint, Figure 1 is poorly constructed as the independent variable (in this case age) should be on the x-axis and the function of x (f(x), GDP) should be the vertical axis.  Someone at Bloomberg must have been sick the day they taught this in Junior High School.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 14:56 | 2685450 Totentänzerlied
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It's free. Turn your head sideways.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:10 | 2685137 timbo_em
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Long adult diapers, short baby diapers! That has to be the no brainer trade of the decade.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:53 | 2684206 Haager
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There is one simple solution: Back to work, folks! OK, you may take hold of your wheelchair, otherwise use the walker.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:13 | 2684256 Peter Pan
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An even more effective measure is DYING AT WORK. Make no mistake, this is where we are all headed IF we can find work.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:20 | 2684476 JimBowie1958
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In the next couple of decades, energy will become so cheap and nanotech manufacturing so individualized that people wont need to spend much money and the need for cash will diminish also.

But without this in perspective, the future does seem rather dismal.

Cheer up.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:43 | 2684590 Haager
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How comes that my view at least on the price of energy does differ that much?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 10:34 | 2687510 JimBowie1958
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Not sure exactly what you mean, but you seemed to be caught up in this dystopian view that the future is all pain, misery and despondence.

Technology is about to make all our old problems obsolete because we will have abundant and cheap energy and personal manufacturing of what we want when we want it in our own homes. By 2030 no one will be worrying about unemployment. If you dont work but three months out of the year that will be fine for everyone except those driven by things other than a desire for money.

Those who work will largely do it for the love of what they do at work.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:23 | 2684277 duo
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Japanese old people are infinitely more fit than their US counterparts.  Diet and walking to pretty much everything have a lot to do with it.  I don't think an elder Japanese would expect a free knee replacement if it meant one of the youngest generation wouldn't be able to afford college.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:09 | 2684697 Thisson
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You're close.  The solution is to stop subsidizing non-productive classes and giving them free stuff.  It makes no sense for us to try to prolong life expectancies to 100+ years with socialized medicine and entitlements when people cannot produce and save enough, during their lifetimes, to sustain them to those ages.  Working for 40 years, then having a 40 year retirement, is not possible.  People need to have an incentive to live healthy lifestyles and save for their own futures.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:54 | 2684208 mayhem_korner
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The government sees this problem.


Yes, like the First Officer saw the iceberg right after he heard a loud crunching noise...

It's nothing a gold medal in women's soccer can't fix, right?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:54 | 2684209 Praetor
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How about three words: They are fucked.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:59 | 2684226 GetZeeGold
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Your Nobel Prize is in the mail.....hell why not? Everyone else is getting them.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:01 | 2684232 _ConanTheLibert...
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sorry, you will have to bribe your way to a Nobel prize nowadays

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:11 | 2684239 gaoptimize
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I think I might share William Bonzai's perspective on this when I say the GDP is the second worse consequence of this.  The most tragic is the decline in the number of beautiful, intelligent, creative, gentle and loving Japanese women.  A while ago, I saw a video of this beautiful lactating Japanese woman absolutely gushing and squirting milk from her large vascular breasts while getting off on a vibrator.  Unlike GDP, this life-creating and nuturing beauty can not be replaced as it diminishes.  No, humanity is fucked as Japan declines.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:00 | 2684389 Jumbotron
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Are you sure you weren't watching Hentai ?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:16 | 2684447 MachoMan
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For every one of those you have a tubgirl or an eel shooter...  definitely a mixed bag...

aside from the whole sex cry/whine thing...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 14:58 | 2685462 Totentänzerlied
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Cultural phenomenon. Once they go abroad, they're almost as stone silent as any English girl.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:44 | 2684518 Precious
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99% of that shit is non-Japanese claiming to be Japanese.  But how would you know, from your room.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:32 | 2684807 Itch
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There is too much fantasy in that society, too much bullshit. There is nothing wrong with the women at all, they are all full of energy. Its the men, they are all playing fucking pokemon and wearing diapers to discos. The men have been feminised somehow, limp...personally i think they are hung up about their pencil dicks, but that’s another topic.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 17:22 | 2685843 Precious
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I don't know about all that, but I can guarantee you that no Japanese guys want to fuck your fat American daughter.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:55 | 2684215 youngman
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"as retirees continue to spend"....only on rice and fish......they are not going to buy much more....and the bonds will have to be sold to pay their way...Japan is a closed society..can they change that....doubt it..

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:57 | 2684221 mayhem_korner
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and the bonds will have to be sold...


Them words will earn you the "terrorist" label, mon ami.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 15:04 | 2685484 Totentänzerlied
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"The average senior shops for books and clothing 38 and 35 times per year, respectively, compared with 73 and 58 times for people between the ages of 18 and 34."

I don't think I've shopped for those items that many times in 10 years - books are free these days (but I lost all mine in a boating accident!). Japan was the proving ground for consumerism, they got it fastest, hardest, and if you please, best-est. And now it's time to pay the Kabuki piper. And yes, their young people, differently for either gender, were thrown under the Keynesian bus. Are they not so very like us...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:56 | 2684217 mayhem_korner
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"We've fallen and we can't get up."

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:56 | 2684219 GMadScientist
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Quick, what's Japanese for "Running Man"?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:27 | 2684224 Mercury
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Death rattle? - not quite.

All age-related demographic problems are temporary by definition.  Eventually we will envy their demographics. And, if they're lucky, the Japanese may actually come to appreciate the considerable downside of the comprehensive welfare state before we do - and adjust accordingly.

The Japanese will ride out this particular problem better than the US because they are much more amenable to the idea of sacrificing for their neighbors with whom they have more in common than most Americans do with each other.

One day Japan will have a smaller, much younger population with strong, common cultural ties to each other and The US will have an increasingly Balkanized (but diverse!) population that is unassimilated to a common set of cultural values/standards and very distrustful of other groups with whom they constantly fight and compete for government favors.

And since Japan doesn't really really do immigration they are a good control group in this context.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:40 | 2684330 Uchtdorf
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When the US military is getting its tail kicked in the Mid-East and southern Asia, the remaining troops in Okinawa will be unable to defend the Japanese mainland. Japan will then be controlled by a larger neighbor. 1000 bonus points to anyone who can guess who that might be.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:53 | 2684363 Mercury
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That's certainly a possibility...the old grudge match.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:13 | 2684715 Thisson
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No, because when the US defaults, China will idle its factories and will have massive unemployment and social unrest.  So they will be busy stabilizing their own regime and won't have the ability to repress Japan.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 14:29 | 2685335 Kobe Beef
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Who's to say the Chinese won't keep their factories running and stabilize their regime by invading Japan?

I could be wrong, but history provides many examples of precisely this kind of warmongering.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:24 | 2684494 JimBowie1958
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The Japanese will ride out this particular problem better than the US because they are much more amenable to the idea of sacrificing for their neighbors ...

Are you suggesting the old will simply commit mass suicide?

Lol, why cant Malthusianists eve lead by example?


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 12:21 | 2684987 Mercury
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No, I'm saying they will endure austerity and "shared sacrifice" better than Americans will.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 10:27 | 2687479 JimBowie1958
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Why isnt your statement an example of cultural bigotry?

Why do you make broad statements about 'Americans' as though we are all the same? Some of us will suffer, most of us will do well anyway and then help the ones who need it. What you say is true on average, but a person with the left hand in boiling water and thier right in liquid hydrogen should be OK on average, so averages dont really mean anything significant necesarily.

No nation that has a negative population growth rate is successful, happy and prosperous. The former is usually caused by the latter, but there is some causal looping in there as well.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 15:19 | 2685532 Totentänzerlied
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Sure we share common values! Hope, change, your EBT balance, fairness, shared sacrifice, all that good stuff Obomba ignorantly prattles on about week after Kafkaesque week.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:58 | 2684225 KidHorn
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The solution is to allow immigration. Like how the US allows young mexicans in. Otherwise we would be in a similar situation. Not that we're not screwed anyway.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:04 | 2684234 aerojet
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The social consequences of letting in Mexicans is mind-boggling.  You have to remember that in the non-politically correct days of yesteryear, when the US was far less populated than now, Americans considered Mexicans to be something along the lines of cockroaches that needed to be swatted before they got across the border and established a foothold. 

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:23 | 2684279 Coreadrin
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Yes, and now Mexico's economy is actually expanding, capital is moving into the country, their demographics are extremely healthy on the long term, prices are still cheap and investment bargains can be had.  To top it off, they are considering legalizing drugs completely, which will destroy the violent crime.

Meanwhile the rah-rah's in the good 'ol USofA want to lock the gates.  You won't have to.  Immigration rates are down like crazy over the past decade (opportunity?), and the only thing left keeping people piling to get in is that they can land with their hand out.  The US is attracting a wonderfully massive class of parasite voter to keep existing power structures "legitimate" (majority consensus), while the ever shrinking pie keeps on withering.  The number of professionals immigrating to the US, the number of business owners, is dying off.

The US is a culture in decline.  It is Rome, it is the British Empire, it is Bohemia.  All of the EXACT same policies have been adopted by the political class, only this time the entire globe is awash in more debt than at any time in human history, and this by a long shot.  There are not too many opportunities left, and, sadly, they are not on home turf...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:53 | 2684632 Seer
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"Immigration rates are down like crazy over the past decade"

PLEASE!  Please qualify these terms!

There has been NO reduction in the legally set immigration numbers.  I suspect you might be meaning "illegal" immigration.  This is a BIG difference!  Being loose with such terms tends to breed ignorance in folks, to the point that they do shit like what just occurred in Wisconsin.  I am ADAMANT about this as I have a spouse who LEGALLY immigrated.

"The US is a culture in decline."

The US has a culture only in the loosest of sense.

"Decline" is a decline in/of GROWTH.

"The number of professionals immigrating to the US, the number of business owners, is dying off."

A "number" is dying?

"The US is attracting a wonderfully massive class of parasite voter"

This seems to contradict your statement "Immigration rates are down like crazy over the past decade"

I think that this is a more correct version of this:

The US is CREATING a wonderfully massive class of parasite voters

(and I'm sure that it's Obama's fault)

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 15:21 | 2685540 Totentänzerlied
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You mean Bush's fault.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:17 | 2684725 dugorama
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actually, net immigration from MX is now negative:


and it's not because of any Alabama concentration camp policies, but because the Mexican birth rate has now fallen to replacement levels - the same as the US.  Of course, 11% of all people born in Mexico still alive currently reside in the US.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:14 | 2684717 Precious
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STFU you moronic, ivy league amateur.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:23 | 2684750 rwe2late
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 Selective well-managed legal immigration could help Japan.

NOT like the unselective, ill-managed, extra-legal but condoned immigration into the USA.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:01 | 2684230 rustymason
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Demographic problem? No problem. Just bring in a zillion foreigners and that will fix everything forever. Worked for the West, didn't it?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:24 | 2685161 AnAnonymous
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That is not demographic problems. Currently, those are consumption problems.

But hey, when it comes to stuff like that, US citizens tend to consider humanity as a whole.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:42 | 2685209 Mad Cow
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The subroutine brackets this sauce into the perceived scene. An incoherent syndrome overflows beneath the ethic.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:03 | 2684233 FubarNation
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Older Japanese are far more healthy than their American counterparts.  Since health care costs are much lower near the end of life they will weather the storm better than Americans.  

Plus the fact that the culture takes better care of their elderly (usually live with Families and not in some shitty Nursing home).

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:10 | 2684249 Bicycle Repairman
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Americans are not Japanese.  However this plays out for Japan, the outcome for the US will be far worse.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 17:25 | 2684532 Precious
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Americans are not Japanese.  Americans are Mexican.

Look at the new GM models.  Taco tank Escalades.  Everything is a fucking low rider on hot-wheels.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:55 | 2684641 Seer
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"the outcome for the US will be far worse."

Oh, do tell!  I'd love to see how you're playing this!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 20:19 | 2689457 Bicycle Repairman
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For example, the Japanese did not have to make a meaningful investment in lead.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:57 | 2684374 Jumbotron
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Absolutely correct Fubarnation.  Demographics IS FATE.  We won't be exactly  duplicate but we will rhyme quite nicely.  However, the drag on our economy RIGHT NOW from health care costs is crippling.  Just wait until our AGE WAVE hits after 2020 with millions of sendentary, cheese doodle eating, American Idol, NASCAR watching fat asses hit that ever crumbling system.

We have two stark government control of health care and wealth management.....or collapse from austerity measures....followed by total government control of health care and wealth management.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:05 | 2684235 Shizzmoney
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"Fewer workers and less labor will reduce the potential output of the Japanese economy, which will increase the country’s reliance on imports as retirees continue to spend, inhibiting GDP growth"

So......their goal is to be the United States Economy, then?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:06 | 2684238 Sean7k
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Japan is the world's biggest test tube. First, they test the death economy of deflationary forces through the use of QE and next, the management of population loss on productive output that will come from the reduction in global population through war, famine and disease. 

The Elites leave nothing to chance and with Japan's aging demographic, it is the perfect test.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:25 | 2684280 dwdollar
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Don't forget:

"How to live and work in a nuclear wasteland."

The Japanese have tested that one and continue to test that one.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:56 | 2684643 Seer
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Made in the USA!

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:08 | 2684243 Hype Alert
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Sounds like they've rejected the Ponzi Population Growth Scheme.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:28 | 2684294 three chord sloth
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Yeah, but they kept the Ponzi Money Scheme. Oops!

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:18 | 2684260 RKDS
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They keep saying Greece is America's future.  That's only if we're dumb.  Japan is our future if young people in this country react rationally to the pressure put on them by the people who've put them $15T in debt.  Longer hours, lower pay, and less security?  Fine, no time, money, or stability to raise a family then!  Gee, you don't suppose that might have consequences, do you?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:36 | 2684316 SokPOTUS
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You are forgetting that young 'meerikans are now blowing the worlds biggest tatoo parlor bubble in history...  that'll keep the economy going for a couple more years; when it bursts, the laser tatoo removal bubble will get going, courtesy of QE 16 Trillion.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:59 | 2684658 Seer
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"when it bursts, the laser tatoo removal bubble will get going"

And it'll be done by robots! (texting is going to kill our [humans'] main advantage- use of opposable thumbs!)

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:18 | 2684733 Thisson
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It is definitely true that family formation is suffering.  Successful professional parents realize that you need an (expensive) education to make it these days, and that they can afford to provide this expensive education to fewer children while saving for their own retirements.  They are choosing to have 1 child instead of 2, or 2 instead of 3.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 15:43 | 2685602 Totentänzerlied
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That plan ... it will not work. They are doing us all a big favor and, with each generations, slowly going extinct by their own volition. It is the eugenicists' perfect nightmare, the West's "best and brightest" being the only ones foolish enough to literally sacrifice their future and practicing the equivalent of voluntary sterilization. Some fools say delaying reproduction, and/or "family planning," is making a sacrifice for the future, it is actually a sacrifice of the future. I say, good, let them.

"Successful professional parents realize that you need an (expensive) education to make it these days"

Some are very thankful for these "professional parents'" cooperation in this grand demographic experiment by which this ditch was dug.

To the topic at hand, Japanese family formation is a comatose patient on life support. Males don't want to marry, actually can't afford to, and can't get marriageable women; most don't want many kids either. Females don't want to marry, think they can't afford to, and can't find marriageable men; most want 1 kid if any. Why can't they find marriageable partners? We don't ask such questions, for we may upset someone's feelings (but the answer is: gender roles have changed, but they have not, nor have they been allowed to, find a new equilibrium - judged by the number of marriages and/OR number of offspring). It has been observed by the modernists, notably including Marxists, that Western civilization's greatest flaw is that (relative to the 2nd and 3rd world) it cannot reproduce; in a productivist worldview, reproduction is king.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:17 | 2684262 youngman
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They can do a couple of things...change that 65 to 105 years of age you HAVE to work...or they can start another war and bring back the slaves to work for them like WWII

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:31 | 2684304 HungrySeagull
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This assumes that Japan has a future post Fukushima Quake Part Deux.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:16 | 2684448 mirac
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expect it...syonara Tokyo

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:43 | 2684334 BlackVoid
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Economic collapse is coming on a much shorter timescale.

That will shorten life expectancy (to put it mildly) signigicantly.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:46 | 2684340 NotAnAvgBeanCounter
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I would love to go to Japan; if I only spoke the language and understood the culture; if not there then Switzerland, or an Island of the coast of Europe.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 19:52 | 2689419 CptNerd
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Japanese isn't that hard a language, it's got very rigid grammar rules, I started learning when I was 48 and at 54 I can handle general basic conversations and read a bit of signage, and that's while still immersed in English.  If you went there you'd pick it up much quicker.  Culturally it's very conservative, but also quite loose, just differently from the West.  Order is vital, everything has a place including lunatic behavior, and as long as you pick up the boundaries you have no problem.  The people are polite because that's how you treat guests, and they take pride in making sure things work, because otherwise it burdens others.  

Learn about 6 or so useful politeness words and use them (sumimasen - "excuse me", domo or domo arigato - "thank you", kudasai or onegai, "please", and a few others), and you'll go far.  Of course, that's really the case with any country and their language, but still.  There is still xenophobic attitudes among mostly the older people, but even then there are some old folks that love to strike up a conversation in English.  

A lot of the culture reminds me of when I was a kid back in the 60's, they even still have full service gas stations with attendants that come out to pump your gas, clean your windshield, check your oil, and check traffic so you can leave safely.  They are firm believers in "convenience" too, with vending machines on every block at least, and at least 4 convenience store chains, usually one every kilometer or so.

It's not that expensive, once you learn where the cheap food places are you can live quite reasonably, just like anywhere, don't eat where the tourists eat, eat where the locals go.  If I ever get on my feet financially again, I'll be going back more often.  I'm glad I won't live long enough to see the demographic bottom that's facing them.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 09:58 | 2684378 SoNH80
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Following this logic, Nigeria should be enjoying record prosperity, what with its 5.7 fertility rate and projected population of 790 million.  I'd rather be a dog in Osaka than a doctor in Ibo, Fukushima or no Fukushima.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:25 | 2685165 AnAnonymous
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Much better to inherit from thieves than to inherit from thieved...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:45 | 2685216 Mad Cow
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The bit agenda steams the cake before a solid dump.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:02 | 2684396 Dareconomics
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Japan has issues. A rapidly aging population is set to bankrupt the country. The Japanese have maintained a high savings rate for years, but this phenomenon has ended. The post-war Japanese baby-boomers are retiring in droves. Retirees do not save, so Japan needs another way to finance its large budget deficits.

Either the Bank of Japan will have to let rates rise to attract foreign investors...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:03 | 2684671 Seer
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"the Bank of Japan will have to let rates rise to attract foreign investors"

Make that "stupid foreign investors."  There's not enough out there to purchase the world's debts.  And this is only going to get worse.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:23 | 2684756 Thisson
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Those savings haven't been used to increase the production of goods and services;  Instead, they have been squandered.  That's the root of Japan's problems (and ours here in the US as well).

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 15:06 | 2685487 Seer
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Production requires raw materials.  The US has materials, but not enough to keep the perpetual growth-machine going.  Japan?  Not so much.  Being an export-driven country that is highly dependent on importing raw materials is a bit problematic.  The music was always going to stop...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:11 | 2684427 Lost Wages
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Godzilla = Debt.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:22 | 2684485 shuckster
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All economic issues will go away once we dump the economists in the ocean

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 10:29 | 2684521 Reptil
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pfff these charts are based on a reasonably healthy living environment.

this is Japan, lots of variables are hidden.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:06 | 2684681 Seer
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Time to bring it up again...  Japan is a SMALL island that has little in the way of natural resources, especially ones that are used in today's world.  It was only ever a question of WHEN rather than IF.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:24 | 2684762 Thisson
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Perfect spot to start a Tax Haven and compete with Switzerland, etc. 

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 11:37 | 2684836 Pairadimes
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They are going to need more Walmarts for these retirees to work as greeters in.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 12:01 | 2684913 steve from virginia
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Japan's great problem is its 51 more or less functioning nuclear power reactors. Lessor problem is dying auto industry, a world-wide phenomenon.


Japan has 4 reactors that are currently blown up and spewing rads like milk from lactating breasts on a Japanese porn star.


What happens after Japanese reactors become unprofitable and cannot be subsidized by 'other activities' (Toyota)? Will they will be abandoned to blow up later? What sort of 'business activity' will subsidize the cleanup @ Fukushima Daiichi or will that facility slowly contaminate the entire country? Bet on contaminate, bet on abandoning big parts of Japan.


Those porn stars better start fucking furiously ... it's the only hope they've got!

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:08 | 2685130 patb
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steve is right, but really needs to expand.


the fukushima reactor failure will dramatically reduce the fertility rate of the japanese and dramatically impact the health of the young.


right now the reproductive rate is 1.2 children per woman,  that rate could fall to 0.7 or 0.9


worse the number of healthy children could fall 50-70%


i would expect in a generation most of the kids in the north to be very sick and the kids in the south to be somewhat sick


they should evacuate their children and women to okinowa or to th US

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 15:10 | 2685503 Seer
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Lower reproductive numbers were a certainty given that Japan's environment isn't capable of supporting the numbers of people currently there.  The "health" issue, however, will be extremely tragic.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:08 | 2685131 patb
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steve is right, but really needs to expand.


the fukushima reactor failure will dramatically reduce the fertility rate of the japanese and dramatically impact the health of the young.


right now the reproductive rate is 1.2 children per woman,  that rate could fall to 0.7 or 0.9


worse the number of healthy children could fall 50-70%


i would expect in a generation most of the kids in the north to be very sick and the kids in the south to be somewhat sick


they should evacuate their children and women to okinowa or to th US

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 12:14 | 2684957 Goatboy
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Population stabilization is the only way, long term. Better sooner than later.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 13:21 | 2685157 AnAnonymous
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A steady number of US citizens will have increasing consumption rate. So...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 16:28 | 2685195 Mad Cow
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An east lump retires the arithmetic. Then...


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 20:00 | 2689427 CptNerd
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Anata no atama ga sugoku warui da, to omou...

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