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Jefferies Back To Single Digits As Implied Default Probability Rises Even More

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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:45 | 1886722 FLUSA.com
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Gonna have to be renamed  Jettison

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:46 | 1886724 GeneMarchbanks
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'At this time Leucadia is underwater on both of its recent purchases, all past and future Jefferies press releases have been priced in and will be irrelevant in the future, and Handler only has half of his original gross sovereign book left to sell (into a bidless market and thus generating more major P&L losses).'


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:47 | 1886730 jmcadg
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What a difference two weeks makes ... nothing!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:49 | 1886737 RobotTrader
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Which is down more today?


Tough call.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:00 | 1886803 slaughterer
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Just talked to a PM.  He is buying financials hand over fist today: the old "trades x below book value argument."

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:43 | 1886965 tekhneek
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Ah yes. Let's buy the mark-to-myth book value of invisible assets that no one wants.

Great play. I'll take the other side of that bet.


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 12:16 | 1887118 11b40
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Me too.  Here's a nice play for patient swing traders with fun money.

Accumulate SKF under $62 with a stop at $56.  Sell it at $85 - at least put on a trailing stop.  I'm currently waiting for my 3rd round trip on this one this year.  Same fundamental trade worked great in 2008.  You just have to 1.) be confident that the fundamentals of the banking system are weak and not likely to improve, and 2.) use stops in case you are wrong.  It may be gambling, but in my opinion, it beats Vegas odds.  Your bigest enemy quickly becomes the FED & QE, but that is what the stops are for ;-)

Leveraged ETF's can be dangerous - just like fire.  But, like fire, they can also keep you warm and cozy when winter comes.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 12:07 | 1887073 Mugatu
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Just like in 2008, when you start seeing gold move down in big chunks, you know the liquidity trap is in full play.

Looks like every asset class is about to lose 20% - except cash.  Next stop is Dow 9000.


Short banks then at the bottom buy gold and silver - just like in 2008 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:50 | 1886741 Hippocratic Oaf
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Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Jefferies Group Inc. Chief Executive Officer Richard Handler said turmoil around the investment bank’s shares and publicly traded debt will ease as the fallout dissipates from the collapse of MF Global Holdings Ltd.

     “It is not surprising that our bonds are under pressure after the assault on our company over the past two weeks,”

Handler said yesterday in an e-mail. “Some bond investors sell first and ask questions later. We expect the market to return to normal pricing once we move beyond the ripple effect of the inaccuracies others have recently disseminated and once investors digest all the information” that Jefferies disclosed.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:51 | 1886747 scatterbrains
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leads me to wonder just how much damage miller did to Legg Mason.. which looks kinda wobbly this morning.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:53 | 1886755 sabra1
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when your Legg is wobbly, it's Miller time!!!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:52 | 1886752 RobotTrader
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Everyone dumping hard assets and fleeing to Treasuries.


Gimme a $20 trillion deficit, won't even matter.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:24 | 1886889 Unprepared
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Robo's fan base is comprised of 2 people, potentially only 1 person since he might be "liking" his own comments.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:52 | 1887000 Fish Gone Bad
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I have to say that I honestly liked all the hot women he posted.  The hookers websites were a scream to look at!  People can be so incredibly stupid when it comes to women and money.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:52 | 1886753 lolmao500
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Of course Jefferies is going down... 

And if I'm right they got about 30 billion in assets. No big deal if they fail.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:55 | 1886763 azzhatter
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Has anybody consulted Bove?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:55 | 1886767 junkyardjack
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What they could use is a nice share repurchase program right about now. Keep that stock price on up

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:56 | 1886769 azzhatter
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The CEO's name is Dick Handler

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:17 | 1886864 dhengineer
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Can you imagine going through junior high or high school with that name?  I think some parents should be bitch-slapped for the names they hang on their kiids... I knew a woman who's first and middle names were "Glorius Sunshine" and there was an executive for some national engineering society (forget which one) who's name was Don Duck...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:29 | 1887466 AndItsGone
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Even better, one of the Directors is named I.M. Cumming. Frankly, at this point, I suspect JEF is a front for middle school bullies to launder stolen lunch money.



Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:57 | 1886780 srsly-wtf
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circling the drain...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:59 | 1886788 interbanker
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What Retail Brokeage house will impacted by the upcoming implosion of JEF ? Please does any body knows ? I don't even know if my broker clears with them, so I want to know....Thanks...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:00 | 1886797 interbanker
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Who are their Big Clearing clients ?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:15 | 1886854 slaughterer
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MF Global = Bear Stearns

Jefferies = Lehman  (the contagion will work its way through Leucadia in multiple directions)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:16 | 1886858 rambler6421
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YOu mean UniCredit will be Lehman.



Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:18 | 1886867 PulauHantu29
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If JEF goes belly up, who are the Biggest Losers?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:32 | 1886920 Buckaroo Banzai
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That's easy-- the taxpayer, one way or another.

Another easy question... who are the biggest winners? Answer: all the other investment banks, as another competitor goes by the wayside.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:34 | 1886930 Quadlet
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Who the f is buying BAC?  Paulson?  PPT?  They can have it.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:54 | 1887010 Fish Gone Bad
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Bank of America is probably buying its stock, just like Lehman did before it died...  God forbid they would pull an MF Global.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 12:15 | 1887112 lunaticfringe
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Has anyone seen 600 million laying around? I seemed to have misplaced it.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 12:35 | 1887209 Arthur
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Flash crash time/panic time. 



Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:28 | 1887462 spanish inquisition
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22 Primary dealers with the Fed,  22 Primary dealers

You take one down, pass the cash around

21 Primary dealers with the Fed....

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