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Jim Grant: "The ECB Is Now Implementing The MF Global Trade"

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To print or not to print: the choice of whether to open the European Pandora's box, which as we suggested two months ago is an interesting but ultimately moot thought experiment, has suddenly become the only talking point for TV pundits desperate for eyeballs and suckers to buy their books, who are now experts not only on monetary policy but European monetary policy. And while 99% of these empty chatterboxes should be promptly muted, one person whose opinion we value in any regard is that of Jim Grant. Earlier today, with Bloomberg TV's Deirdre Bolton, he discussed not only the expected ECB response to the ever worsening contagion (while the ECB bought Italian bonds in the open market, and potentially primary against its charter, it is prohibited from buying French bonds which is why the OAT-Bund spread closed at record wides), but all the other developments in the insolvent continent. Here are some of the key sounbdbites, and, of course, the full clip.

On the three thread by which the world currently hangs:

i) by the financial probity of Italy

ii) by the determination of Greece to implement austerity measures

iii) and by the responsibility of our money spinning central bankers

"These are very slender threads indeed."

On what the ECB will do:

The ECB has expanded its balance sheet mightily under Trichet. We have a new leader and we have a new imperative. I dare say Europe is going to print money.

On central bank monetization and its implications:

The Italian yields did not fall on their own. It raises questions of overall integrity of market prices. In the US the Fed has nationalized the yield curve. In Europe much the same is going on: the SNB is expanding its balance sheet at astonishing rates of speed. The world over there is seeing immense money printing and there is a huge race to debase on the behalf of the sponsors of paper money.

Central banks are insolvent:

The ECB has a ratio of non-AAA rated assets to equity of 14 to 1. What the ECB has been doing is stepping in where private money fears to tread. In the private sector we call the heading for trouble... The New York Fed is leveraged 100 to one.

And the kicker analogy which is absolutely spot on:

The ECB is now implementing the MF Global trade.

All this and much more in the clip below.

 

 

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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:43 | 1868628 BigMike
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How gay was it clinking this link and having that MERCEDES BENZ AD blow up your speakers???

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:48 | 1868644 NOTW777
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super gay and irritating

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:58 | 1868683 I think I need ...
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everyone that watches bloomberg and cnbs are going to be driving one (mercedes)soon because they make so much money watching the programming everyday.........They ALWAYS say to buy physical gold....

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:14 | 1868731 flacon
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against its charter, it EST prohibited from buying French bonds

 

Bollocks! That depends on what the meaning of the word "est" "is"! Parlez vous Francais? Voulez vouz couche avec moi ce soir? In French, we don't say "cheater", we say "Trichet!" - or "Paterno!" in Italian!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:12 | 1868734 smlbizman
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and to those people, that are dedicated cnbc soldiers and booyah and all that,  grant and rickards must have looked like kudlow/cramer....how else could they percieve the truth....

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:43 | 1868831 navy62802
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By the time this is all over, we won't be buying cars with our gold and silver. We will be buying the essentials for sustaining life. Food. Water. Clothing. Medical supplies. And the such.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:08 | 1868899 RafterManFMJ
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y the time this is all over, we won't be buying cars with our gold and silver. We will be buying the essentials for sustaining life. Food. Water. Clothing. Medical supplies. And the such.

 

And ammo! Don't you forget about the ammo!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:31 | 1868954 CrazyCooter
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By the time this is all over, ...

Don't confuse the war with the peace. By the time this is all over, to carry on, the world population will be at least half if not much less. The Earths peoples will be exhausted with the costs of war/famine/death/pestilence, and ammo won't be required. How many kids, neices, nephews, and so forth will you be willing to write off before you reject the notions?

As a species, we will be alive with the lessons learned, busy in our communities, producing the things we all enjoy, bonded by the pain, and we will all be dead before there isn't enough energy for re-runs.

This is the last fucking rodeo.

To all ZHers; the goal is to make it 10 years, maybe 15, intact and I think after that it will be a prison planet or a damn good neighborhood.

Best of luck to all. Place your bets wisely.

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:20 | 1869274 Seer
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"This is the last fucking rodeo."

Last manmade rodeo, but not the last/final rodeo.  For this we'll have to wait for the next glacial period: can you say clean slate?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:38 | 1868974 Imminent Crucible
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By the time this is all over, it will be much too late to be shopping for nonexistent ammunition. In fact, you should have bought most of it already. It isn't going to be available by the time you know you should have bought it.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:18 | 1869273 CalDre
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Buying from whom?  When the elite descend into their underground cities after the EMP bombs have taken out every computer chip on the surface (this means: no electricity, no grid, no internet, no cars/trucks/planes/buses post-1975 or so, no phones, no refridgerators, no radios, no TVs, basically stone age - the Amish will be advanced in comparison cuz' their stuff will keep working), the only food you'll be eating is what you can locate around you.

The elite will wait it out, after a copule years population will be down to 10% of what it was, they will emerge with their technology, and you will be their slave.  If you happen to have any ammo left, don't worry, their drones will find you and take you out, no human intervention required.

You've been sleeping too long. Game over, dude.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:54 | 1869300 Carlyle Groupie
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Wow! This is a chilling prospect CalDre. The 'elite' sound like a serious cabal with evil intentions. Do you think they might be aliens from a far away galaxy using advanced blending techniques to mimic the human form?

Thanks.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:46 | 1869374 CalDre
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Sorry, CarlygleGroupie, you tin-hat conspiracy nut, there has never been a cabal, and certainly not an evil one, all the rumours to the contray notwithstanding.

The aliens are actually largely from Mexico, and they don't blend so well - but there are laws against you noticing.  Fortunately, what they lack in stealth, they compensate for in sheer numbers.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:48 | 1869293 Carlyle Groupie
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"By the time this is all over, we won't be buying cars with our gold and silver. We will be buying the essentials for sustaining life. Food. Water. Clothing. Medical supplies. And the such."

I liked that. "And the such". I intend to use this phrase in upcoming posts. Stay tuned.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:43 | 1868829 Sabibaby
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Gotta pay for the website somehow

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:49 | 1868852 ISEEIT
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Free shit isn't free?

Whine somewhere else or pay for a newsletter. Do you realize that you sound like your picture? I get it that maybe you do, and that maybe you are just trying to start some shit (for the sake of shit's and giggles of course).

But dear reader, if it is authenticity you seek?

You sound like a whiny bitch.

IMHO (of course).

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:06 | 1868890 runlevel
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LOL the timeing of the damn merc benz video and me reading your comment could not have been more perfect.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:02 | 1869402 Bendromeda Strain
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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 21:39 | 1871404 mkkby
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You should all be using the free firefox browser with the adbock and noscript plugins.  You have no idea how pleasurable the internet can be until you do.  I never see the ads people complain about... unless I go to a whole lot of trouble enabling them one by one.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:45 | 1868636 bigwavedave
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Autoplay is not cool

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:45 | 1868836 Tommy5454
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Neither are dudes who talk about fiat currencies being "government issued like uniforms of troops." The FRN is no more government issued than my diarrhea.

What are cool are hot bloomberg chicks who make autoplay videos watchable.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:22 | 1868931 contagiousNY
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sucks actually. turn down the vol slider.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:26 | 1868942 contagiousNY
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it just keeps playing after every entry, make it stop!!

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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:37 | 1868969 CrazyCooter
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I have to agree with BWD. It really is annoying. I will press play if I feel like it. I like JG a lot, but hearing his interview on *every* pageload is a party foul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZVu5IZ1SBA

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:51 | 1868639 DormRoom
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If I were China, I'd be worried.  Republican supermajority is gonna bomb the f--- out of it to distract from domestic economic trouble.  Well, after they bomb the f--- out of Iran to control the strait of Homurth, and the oil supply necessary  to defeat China-Russian axis.  If EU goes to sh-t Europe will antagonize the Russian Bear to distract their citizen. 

 

They Must distract, or ppl will construct guillatenes for the plutocracy, with idle unemployed time.

 

 

#occupywallstreet.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:57 | 1868679 centerline
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Got a feeling your are correct on the distraction coming.  It could be domestic though.  Or combination of domestic and international.  Something is coming though.  Sheeple are waking up a little... and the percent required to achieve critical mass (no WMD pun intended) is not that huge actually.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:03 | 1868696 DormRoom
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the plutocracy controls the public relation industry.  Thus control the factories of infinite wants, and wish fulfillment.  Dream factories are the only kinds left in America.

 

It's the reason why talent game shows, and reality television are so popular in consumer culture.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:09 | 1868722 centerline
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Those shows are the last hope in the collective mind of the middle class towards joining the elite and escaping a life that they have been bred to believe is insufficient.  Sad.  

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:47 | 1868848 Freddie
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TV is watched by idiots.   All of TV is full on propaganda.  Anyone who watches their shit (TV) enables the elite oligarchs.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:54 | 1868867 disabledvet
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but can we bomb television? their assets are highly dispersed. i'm sensing blowback from potential collateral damage here...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:44 | 1868983 Oh regional Indian
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TV is seriously the problem.

For whatever is coming down the pipe (!!!), sheep will get to bleat to it HD.

As to trades in general, in the vapour/digit world of finance, it looks like counter-parties are a vanishing breed. That is not a good sign. Somebody will call the emperor naked, no?

ORI

Caveat Emptor

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:09 | 1868723 onarga74
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It's going to be Iran.  The press is warming us all up with morsels of sabres in the sand.  This aint gonna be another Iraq. It will be sickening.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:15 | 1868745 centerline
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Seems that way.  And the timing would be about right.  We have two big factors going on besides obvious EU and domestic economic issues.  First, the promise of soldiers coming home.  Are we really going to bring these brave souls home so that they can see what is going on here?  Second, the supercommittte was built to fail and we just can't have any automatic hit to MIC budget, can we?  Need some impetus to keep the money flowing.  Gotta go get them WMD's, right?  Heck, put #1 together with #2 and the combination spells real trouble.

I am not saying that Iran is not playing with fire - or that underneath it all they don't desire to see America wiped out - I am just calling it how I see it.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:14 | 1869319 cynicalskeptic
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The US isn't suicidal enough to take China on - they own our ass and we need what they make now too badly.  China is smart enough to avoid any direct conflict and let the US commit suicide.  Economically we're well on the way - all China has to do is wait.  The US won't be dumb enough to take China on directly so expect an expanded Middle East quagmire and slow motion collapse.    

Odds are we'll get more of the same.....'we have always been at war with Oceania... or is it Eastasia?....in our case it is Islamia..'      Cheney and the neocons were pushing for a war with Iran - but a petulant Bush (finally fed up with getting blamed for all of Uncle Dick's misadventures) refused.  Even the faux Gulf of Tonkin speedbaoat incident got laughed off for the farce it was.  But things are getting desperate for TPTB.

HOWEVER every war game with Iran has ended badly for the US - Iran is far better equipped with cruise missloes and short range missles - supplied by Russia and China who are a bit fed up with US games in the Gulf.  You could see the US take serious hits (remember the Falklands and what Argentina did with a few Exocets?).  So while the people pulling the strings (you really don't think Bush or Obama were making the real decisions do you?) might want and even get their not quite World War III as both a distraction and 'economic stimulus' - odds are it won't end well.  Empires do nopt fall neatly and we're already collapsing.  A war will not restart the US economy - all we need is no longer made here oin the US... we're even buying ammo overseas... we equipped Iraq with AK-47's because the US can barely supply its own military with weapons.

 

BUT there is more to worry about than the current economic crisis and a truly horrifying 'endgame' possible.  

There IS one other - and far more sinister approach to the multitude of problems we face.  A new avian flu epidemic breaks out.  It takes a huge toll in China and South Asia - with massive loss of life - think 1919 but worse.  Africa and the poorer parts of Europe and the Western Hemisphere are also hit badly. Expect the elderly populations in the West to be badly affected.  This is a pandemic on the scale of the Black Death worldwide - enough to markedly decrease the human footprint on the planet and even slow human impact on climate.    This 'natural' tragedy will change world demographics markedly, with the fastest growing nations losing the most people.  In one fell swoop, the human footprint on the planet is cut by a third or more.  The remaining 'wealth' is redistributed (the aftermath of the Black Death was ppositive for the survivors).  The demographics of aging western nations change radically cutting those expenses for retirement and health care.   Jobs open up for the survivors, while humanity (or the surviving segment) gets another 50-100 years to deal with its impending extinction.

 

Think 'V' on a worldwide scale - because if you are wealthy enough there will be a vaccine or treatment available. 'Sorry Asia... supplies are VERY limirted....'    This may be the ONLY way left fot the West to prevent the ascendency of the East - and also deal wth the problems of too many people on the planet.

Are people evil enough to try such a thing?  ........I do think some are desperate enough.  Our politicians have done nothing to address the all too real problems of excessive growth and climate change.  The planet cannot support its current population on anything more than a substinence level - so just TRY and tell China, India, Pakistan, Indonesia and others 'sorry.... you don't get to ever have he lifestyle the West has had for the last 50 years.....we don't have the resources.    Nobody will act voluntarily even though the issues are planet threatening.   China is treading an narrow path in trying to keep its population happy 'enough' while surviving the effects of the growth that is occurring (but pollution is horrid and they are running short of food and energy).  

So... what can you do that will really buy some time......  The 'elites' can justify anything in the light of a 'greater good' (and as long as THEY survive).

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:25 | 1868778 gwar5
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OWS has lost it's way and become the distraction. It's turning into a warm up for civil war when the SHTF. It's not about banks anymore, it's all about preserving Obama.

"Top down, bottom up!" -- Van Jones, Obama's communist former Green Jobs Czar.

 

 

 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:53 | 1868862 Solid
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gwars,
You are correct sir. That is exactly what is happening.
We will see more of Van Jones soon.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:08 | 1869249 jeff montanye
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obama preserved?  sounds like high school biology run amok.  he's toast.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:29 | 1869343 cynicalskeptic
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Obama/Bush  Democrat/Republican Left/Right... please.  You're falling for the staged Kabuki play insrtead of seeing what's really happening.  Obama has been Bush II - hardly the radical socialist some claim.  The truth is BOTH parties are owned by the biggest contributors and have sold out the nation and its citizenry - allowing the looting of this country and the enslavement of its populace to pay off the incurred debts and losses of a very few.     

You are falling for the false dichotomy that is presented to distract you and give you the illusion that you still have a choice.  Stop acting as if you're rooting for a sports team (which is what TPTB would prefer you do - keeps you from actually truiong to change what needs changing) and look at reality.

 

 Fundamentally OWS is close to the truth BUT it really is '99.9% vs 0.1%' -  if you believe otherwise you're naive.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:30 | 1868797 Calmyourself
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Perhaps you should count up the war starters/mongers for us DR, who started the most D or R?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:13 | 1869251 jeff montanye
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distraction and irrelevant.  both are guilty.  the war enders look to be republicans now (paul, johnson) probably because they have a big field vs. dems.   vote for them, i am.  when the war enders are dems, vote for them. that is if you vote, which itself is becoming more and more an act of faith.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:52 | 1868860 disabledvet
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I was thinking of bombing the Strait of Vermouth myself. Isn't that right next to the Strait of Hormuth?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:05 | 1869017 Snidley Whipsnae
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Straight of Vermouth? All dried up. But a Straight of Vermouth combined with the Straight of Makers could produce a marked bitters outcome and once landed me in Manhattan.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:31 | 1869067 caerus
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hear, hear!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:43 | 1868982 CrazyCooter
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You are a fucking dumb ass.

Please cite the last time the Chinese invaded anything beyond their core lands. Lead paint toys? Plastic rice? And you think the Chinese are going to conquer the world? No historic precedent.

That said, it's a fools errand to invade. Leave em alone is sage advice.

Look to history for how populations/nations/cultures deal with war/aggression with regards to neighbors.

Europe is a huge red flashing light. And they have a fat Islamic population in the mix now.

I mean, fuck, if you were an evil, evil asshole, wanting to go long human misery, Europe would be your dream. It's fucking scary what is going to go down there when the funds get yanked. It will be "Islam" vs "Christianity" because its easy to sell to both sides.

God have mercy on us all.

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:11 | 1869037 Desert Irish
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"Let China sleep, for when she awakes she will shake the world" - Napoleon Bonaparte

Historicaly you are corect - China in it's 5000 odd years of history has never been an aggressive country much unlike the colonist nations of Europe, in fact the opposite is true. The issue here is that China has 2 choices - it can continue to trade as per it's historical norm or it can attempt to colonize or increase it's sphere of influence in the nations in South America, South-East Asia and specifically Africa. The only reason they would take the latter route is if the first route was not available to them.

In fact China is the greatest balwark to further islamic exspansion in Asia. China is not our enemy unless we choose to make China our enemy. Just my $.02 worth.

 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:00 | 1869642 GeezerGeek
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Tell that to Tibetans. Tell that to India (1962). And where did the term KAMIKAZE come from? The Mongol rulers of China tried to invade Japan. China is no better and probably no worse than most other countries throughout history when it comes to military aggressiveness.

 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 02:56 | 1869166 TheObsoleteMan
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China invaded Vietnam back in 1979 to "teach them a lesson" for attacking it's puppet state in Laos {The khmer rouge} and also for getting to cozy with the russians. After what the vietmanese did to their invading army {outnumbering the viets by about 20 to 1} I understand why they don't make it a habit of attacking their neighbors. They got their ass handed to them.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:18 | 1869255 jeff montanye
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invading countries, especially for long periods of time and to hold democratic elections, isn't an easy task. see http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/an_all-american_nightmare_this_is_wh...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:55 | 1869303 Snidley Whipsnae
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If you believe this "They [Chinese] got their ass handed to them." you certainly are an obselete man. China kicked the crap out of the experienced Vietnamese Army and implemented a 'SCORCHED EARTH POLICY'... In addition, "on March 6 China, after capturing several Vietnamese cities, declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their Punitive mission had been achieved"...

China accomplished in a short time what the French and Americans could not accomplish from the end of WW2 until 1974 when the US finally admitted defeat by leaving Viet Nam with tail between legs. After losing badly in a dispute over border territory, Viet Nam never again attempted to claim any Chinese Territory. It's too bad that the Chinese did not end the reign of terror by the Khmer Rouge which was enabled by the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. BTW, I left you a NEG for posting disinformation, being a revisionist historian, and being ignorant of history... Saying something is true don't make it so.

From Wiki...

"The Chinese invaded Northern Vietnam and captured some of the northernmost cities in Vietnam. On March 6 China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved and retreated back to China. Both China and Vietnam claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars of the twentieth century; as Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until 1989 it can be said that the PRC failed to achieve the goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement in Cambodia. China achieved its strategic objective of reducing the offensive capability of Vietnam along the Sino-Vietnam border by implementing a scorched earth policy. China also achieved another strategic objective of demonstrating to its Cold War foe, the Soviet Union, that they were unable to protect their Vietnamese ally."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:14 | 1869427 Chuck Walla
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Maybe we could send guns to Mexican terrorists... oh, wait....

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:48 | 1868646 brew
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next fed chairman under president ron paul...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:18 | 1868741 SwingForce
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No, next Treasury Sec'y.

Sorry, you might be right. Just get him in there!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:19 | 1868756 Josh Randall
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That would be B!tchin'

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:46 | 1868844 navy62802
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Under Ron Paul, we wouldn't have a Federal Reserve. So, I would nominate Jim Grant for Sec of the Treasury. Under anyone else, I'd nominate him for Chairman of the Federal Reserve (as the Federal Reserve will continue to exist under the rule of all other presidential candidates).

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:17 | 1869322 bernorange
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Ron Paul has actually mentioned Jim Grant as someone he would consider for Chairman of the Federal Reserve.  Ron wants to End the Fed, but not abruptly.  There would necessarily be a transition.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:48 | 1868991 CrazyCooter
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RP is the last hope for America if you want the America from the history books. If he falls down in the election, its game over for the little guy without a lot of blood split.

Seriously, look at the debate.

Please work on your close friends/family in this regard. There isn't really another option.

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:22 | 1869258 jeff montanye
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register republican and vote in the primaries.  it's what both the teaparty founders and the ows logically should do.   neither obama nor the koch brothers offer a useful solution.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:39 | 1869282 Seer
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"neither obama nor the koch brothers offer a useful solution."

"Power doesn't offer a useful solution."  There, fixed it!

Sigh, people have been way too programmed.  I tried this logic on anti-war "liberals" and they just couldn't grasp it: I suspect the same would happen on the "flip-side"- for anti-war "conservatives."

I have but one life to live and I figured that it wasn't worth sacrificing my life for a bunch of idiots.  The System is rigged, and it's destiny, as is the case for ALL empires, is collapse.  All these piddly machinations are no more than hopium.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:33 | 1869279 Seer
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"if you want the America from the history books"

Which history books?  And, which era?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:58 | 1870137 RiverRoad
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Whoever wins the wars gets to write the history books.....any era.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:54 | 1870106 RiverRoad
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To "brew":     "the next fed chairman under president ron paul"    + 1,000

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:48 | 1868647 KennyG09
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There's two things you don't fuck with: A man's family and a man's money. When you fuck with the latter, you fuck with the former, and it never ends well.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:03 | 1868703 centerline
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They have fucked with both like they were street corner hookers since before you and I were born.  It is just our warped perception of reality that made it seem normal.  What has people starting to wake up now is the extra-special, no lube sort of dry humping going on now that game is nearing it's end.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:24 | 1868769 Al Gorerhythm
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There's nothing more dangerous that a man who has a clutch of hungry, crying kids.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:30 | 1868801 centerline
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No doubt.  My primary responsibility is to my wife and kids.  TPTB know that when the bread and circuses run out that it is days at most before chaos hits.  For this reason, these will be last things to be allowed to fail.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:53 | 1868651 Catch-22
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Love those ads... / sarc

 

...Mercedes is now "poor man's Bentley" around here anyway...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:50 | 1868654 chump666
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Excellent commentary.

They did buy last session, the only reason for the equity meltups and the slight fall in Italian bond yields. The market is now 100% clueless.  Major volatility ahead.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:52 | 1868659 fonzanoon
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holy shit get that fuckin ad outta there. You gotta be kidding me with that.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:53 | 1868664 NOTW777
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ECB mimics benonomics

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:53 | 1868665 Corn1945
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I'm not sure Germany tolerates money printing. I think memories of the hyper-inflation are in the blood. I think they quit the Euro if it comes down to that.

Maybe some native Germans can comment on that.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:31 | 1868805 Gunther
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For the average people not so much anymore. The Inflation was 1923 and to have experienced it first hand someone must be well over 90 years old ( or be willing to listen to the old guys.) In the central bank that might be a different story; there is a strong preference for hard currency.

Looking at the most popular german-langruage goldbug website it ranks in in Germany 597 while Zerohedge ranks in the US 787.

In Germany the amount of people really worrying about inflation and taking action might be higher then in the US but likely it is well below 1% of the population.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:26 | 1869260 jeff montanye
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just slightly off topic: when gold is really in a bubble what will those numbers be?  

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:06 | 1869688 sdmjake
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If you're lucky you'll be able to get a box of shells for your WinMag70.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:54 | 1868669 Oswald Spengler
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Get rid of the socialists and their parasitic constituents and you get rid of the problem. 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:31 | 1868921 GoinFawr
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Speaking of parasites: -1 for beating your girl. I've got that right don't I? You're one of those 'tough' guys? Someone else payed for your room and board while you were incarcerated, so everyone posting here can ask you to cough up some cash,  you worthless leech.

Or are you suggesting that you yourself are one of the first that should be 'got rid' of? Hmmm, you may have a point there....

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:53 | 1868998 CrazyCooter
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I missed your point.

Can you put it in terms of intellectual economics theory?

All I saw was misguided emotional trap.

Trying to bridge the gap here, but you gotta work with me.

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 02:26 | 1869053 GoinFawr
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Hey np. I have to do a bit of assuming, but let's see if I can add it up for you:

The Finger wrote: "Get rid of the socialists and their parasitic constituents and you get rid of the problem."

I'll leave 'socialists' alone. Personally I doubt if our cowardly pillock here would know one if they left money on the table for him in the morning, but from the comment I would guess that he labours under the conditioned misapprehension that it has something to do with any politician that runs a budgetary deficit (barring any incurred by military spending, which I would suspect he considers sacrosanct). If so: yah, whatever, great, look to Norway for an example of how to balance a budget.

'parasitic constituent' is my main complaint: If he is so weak that he has to beat women to feel masculine, he should be punished. Granted that's entirely a value judgement on my part: I'm simply not into that type of backward interpretation of Islamic Sharia, or 'rule of thumb', or whatever the third Abrahamic faith calls it. I think it's disgusting.

 But you and I have to pay for his 'punishment', to clean up his mess;  so he's one of them there parasites he supposedly wants gone.

So unless you and he are in total agreement and want to start the National Wife Beating League as an alternative to football on Sundays, or unless he's willing to reimburse you and I for our expenditure in keeping animals like him locked away and cleaning up after them, or unless he's suggesting we start with him in the 'getting rid of' I'm calling

HYPOCRITE!

(and worthless recreant turd, too, in case anyone missed it) 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 02:44 | 1869153 CrazyCooter
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Oh, this is kind of fun, but I must confess I won't respond past this post. So, keep that in mind.

I'll leave 'socialists' alone. Personally I doubt if our cowardly pillock here would know one if they left money on the table for him in the morning, but from the comment I would guess that he labours under the conditioned misapprehension that it has something to do with any politician that runs a budgetary deficit (barring any incurred by military spending, which I would suspect he considers sacrosanct).

Oh, this is fun!

'parasitic constituent' is my main complaint: If he is so weak that he has to beat women to feel masculine, he should be punished. Granted that's entirely a value judgement on my part: I'm simply not into that type of backward interpretation of Islamic Sharia, or 'rule of thumb', or whatever the third Abrahamic faith calls it. I think it's disgusting.

Hmmm, curious interpretation.

But you and I have to pay for his 'punishment', to clean up his mess;  so he's one of them there parasites he supposedly wants gone.

So unless you and he are in total agreement and want to start the National Wife Beating League as an alternative to football on Sundays, or unless he's willing to reimburse you and I for our expenditure in keeping animals like him locked away and cleaning up after them, or unless he's suggesting we start with him in the 'getting rid of' I'm calling

You used some cool words (points in my book - it shows intellect), but your argument seems to define the debate in terms of wife beating. I just don't get it.

To quote a color blind man visiting a beautiful rose plantation in Tyler, when he was asked what he thought by his host, "I guess I have nothing to offer."

Carry on with your WBC (Wife Beating Crusade).

Regards,

Cooter

P.S. Why would you promote wife beating? I mean, that went out with rail travel and getting married as a virgin.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 04:15 | 1869184 GoinFawr
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Hell,  this misunderstanding is not your fault in the slightest.

I took something else for granted: that you knew that in a separate thread responding to TMos, The Finger up there literally claims to have recently been released from prison, where he spent some time for beating his girl. I recall him being callous and flippant about it; remorseless.

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 18:28 |  Oswald Spengler 

 Dude: I've just been set free from the county correctional facility where I spent the past few months atoning for smacking my girlfriend around. You sound just like her. Man, I missed ZH. Recycling half truths is all that bitch does. That and blow the neighbor while I was at work.

Yeah, that was it. Hurdy Hur Hur. Makes my blood boil everytime I see the coward posting here... of course without knowing that the rest doesn't follow at all.

My bad. Hijacked the thread to rage at someone who, if he was on fire, I doubt I would cross the street to piss him out; wasted everyone's time...guilty

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 14:12 | 1870390 BigJim
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And how do you know he's a coward? She might be a lot bigger than him.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 15:25 | 1870637 GoinFawr
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As a person, you mean? Moot. If you meant pound for pound, in his own words:

 "... smacking my girlfriend around."

That, combined with the prison sentence, hardly sounds like a case of self-defence to me. More like a case of him being too little of a man to satisfy her, and even less of a man to beat her for finding someone who could.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:43 | 1869285 Seer
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How much would you be willing to wager that you're correct on this?

I'm able to disprove your point w/o even having to pull out a gun: simple math is all it takes.

I suspect, however, that you'd be unwilling to let go of the scapegoat to all your "problems."

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:55 | 1868675 JW n FL
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Jim is a P.I.M.P.! BITCHEZ!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:06 | 1868714 JW n FL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAPM7syIcts&list=FLbRZZAixeFXZfqszvKisEdQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video

Uploaded by on Nov 10, 2011

This week Max Keiser and co-host, Stacy Herbert, discuss European gold wars and the brokers at the Chicago Board of Trade telling others to get a job while they can't even do the one job they have. In the second half of the show, Max Keiser interviews James G. Rickards about his new book - Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

The Point of this being.. (other than its Max) is Currency Wars!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pqBNO3d96I

Uploaded by on Nov 8, 2011

http://www.ToddWatson.com - Jim Rickards discusses his new book "Currency Wars" and gives valuable insight into the current economic conditions. If you have seen my channel, you know that I am a big Jim Rickards fan because he gives analysis that has proven to be not only correct, but is a glimpse into what will be happening in the future. Jim gives a great explanation to the paradox of the rising Euro when it appears the EU is falling apart.

I have pre-ordered his book: "Currency Wars", and I would advise you to do the same. Gain understanding into the current economic crisis and look smart to your friends by checking out what Jim Rickards has to say.

my problem with his views on China are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY off base becuase the Yaun / Renminbi is in FACT! Leveraged 1,200% (as of the middle of this year.. so several months ago).

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:30 | 1868800 JW n FL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN5q_0H41VE

Uploaded by on Nov 10, 2011

The Petrodollar Explained

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:00 | 1869013 CrazyCooter
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Thanks for the Rickards video.

My book is in the mail, but I won't have it before next week. Would have loved to have had it by this weekend!

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:57 | 1868680 NOTW777
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bottom line - huge government intervention and manipulation in thin, low volume "markets" whether you like it or not and now others are playing  follow the leader

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:57 | 1868681 lemosbrasil
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There is a big down channel chart pattern to DOW JONES and a "inverse head-shoulder" to VIX that take the equity markets to new lows 

 

See here :  http://pracompraroupravender.blogspot.com/2011/11/o-canal-de-baixa-do-dow-jones-e-ocoi-do.html

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:02 | 1868699 NOTW777
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well short term - 10 minute SPX and INDU (Nov 9 and 10) showing inverse H&S

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:02 | 1868685 malalingua
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Jim Grant makes bow-ties look cool. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:17 | 1868752 mynhair
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Bet he is doing Bolton right now.....

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 04:35 | 1869221 Motorhead
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Bolton's hot.  I would mind even seeing her with a bow tie.

 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:54 | 1868866 Freddie
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Jim Rogers wears bow-ties too.  Pretty much it is Grant, Rogers, Faber, Hugh Hendry and maybe James Chanos.  The rest of the financial talking heads are a joke.  Steve Santelli is pretty good but I don't watch TV.  CNBC is total shit.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:28 | 1868949 azusgm
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Kyle Bass

Max Keiser

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:30 | 1868951 malalingua
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Murray Rothbard wore one too.  In fact a lot of the Austrian scholars do.  http://mises.org/store/Mises-Crest-Bow-Tie-Burgundy-P76.aspx

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:04 | 1869026 CrazyCooter
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The next time I buy tailored dress clothes, I am going to insist on a bow tie. I will also make the salesman show me how to tie it because I haven't a clue! But I should. Why not!

I like not fitting in, it shows intellect and independence. I come by that naturally ...

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:14 | 1869043 malalingua
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Youtube.  Be careful you're going to be a sexy beast.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEjF-MzzqaE

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:48 | 1869295 Seer
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"CNBC is total shit."

"but I don't watch TV"

Another "well informed" opion from the party troll...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:59 | 1868686 mcarthur
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"Money printing" does not bother me one bit based upon Friedman's work.  mv= py= GDP   v has dropped so m must increase.  Very simple.  Grant does not get this. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:24 | 1868770 centerline
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Funny.  You mean that one man's liability is another man's asset so all things being relative, money printing is relative as long as the nice, little linear, closed-system equations that are devoid of any real human intent and disregard credit money and derivatives are balanced?  Cool.  I think the next logical suggestion is that the problem we face in fact is too little money printing to really be effective since it is government's responsibility to compensate for private sector economic contraction.  All things being equal and balanced of course. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:28 | 1868788 mcarthur
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The shadow economy "printed" far more money than the Fed has.  This "money" as a component of M3 has disappeared. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:35 | 1868815 centerline
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If current economic dogma (oops, I meant theory) is correct, all should be well then.  :-)

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:08 | 1868900 azusgm
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That's right. All should be well. Blue skies everywhere. That is, until "something" happens to cause "V" to pick up. That may cause things to become unequal and unbalanced...maybe. Do you think? Could be especially problematic in a world where TBTF banks do not have to adhere to regulatory discipline, moral discipline, or market discipline.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:18 | 1868918 mcarthur
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As in 1923 Germany where both m went through the roof hence causing v to go through the roof (picture wheelbarrels),  yes we have hyperinflation since y has not changed hence p must.  So the inflection point will be where v picks up but no one is willing to reduce m.  We are no where near that and those will be relatively easy metrics to pick up on. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:40 | 1868825 knukles
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Surprise surprise, why on why don't the fed report the numb-ah any more... surprise surprise.

The whole fucking thing is rigged, from Alpha to Omega.
Rigged I say, Rigged

 

Bastards

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:53 | 1869299 Seer
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Fact:

1) Nothing is static- past performances are not necessarily guarantees of future performance;

2) That which cannot continue forever won't.

Just about anything can be successful if measured in the shortest amount of time.

I'll take physics and math over the Fed or any other "economic" concoction.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:29 | 1868794 knukles
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Yeah.  Like Fox news.  Now I get it!
Thanks, amigo.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:36 | 1868967 traderjoe
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You need to read A LOT more about the money system. The Fed cannot print money. It can print debt to buy UST's.

The commercial banks create the debt-money in our system - all at interest. Please start with MOdern Monetary Mechanics.

There is no real money printing. Just the creation of more debt.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:59 | 1868687 Richard Whitney
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Not a good time to buy farmland? Somebody should have told Heavy D.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:07 | 1868895 GoinFawr
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location location location

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:01 | 1868694 Caviar Emptor
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Burlesquoni, go hang out with Mario In-Drag-i. 

ECB printing will put us back in recession within 6-9 months by the laws of Biflation, the new laws of macroeconomics

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:03 | 1868704 chump666
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There is an old article pre: 2008 about the ECB going bust.  I'll try and find it.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:24 | 1868766 chump666
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can't find it but it was written by this guy http://www.cepr.org/pubs/PolicyInsights/CEPR_Policy_Insight_024.asp

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:15 | 1869047 CrazyCooter
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Thank you very much.

Buiter is the bomb for this sort of shit.

I will raise you the following ...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/buiter-%E2%80%9Cunnecessary-undesirable...

... oddly enough, the PDF was yanked ...

ZH RULE 1: Save the PDFs for your bunker!

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:04 | 1868707 blindman
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well, there you have it.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:05 | 1868709 vast-dom
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Band-aids for bloodbaths, tranquilizers for psychic schizms and self-hatred, QE for insolvency, political musical chairs for structural collapse....................oh the narcisism and idiocy and lack of rigorous honesty! A happy death awaits.....

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:31 | 1868802 knukles
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don't forget your daily 2 minutes of hate

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:03 | 1868883 vast-dom
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Nor the 2mins of Truth.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:06 | 1868715 Todd Horlbeck
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Jim is brilliant.

 

Unfortunately, here is the 99% of what people get for advice..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycUsbn7GJ6M&feature=feedu

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:09 | 1868721 Unprepared
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You mean ECB is commingling with its country client money? Not to worry, you money is safely parked in BNP and SOCGEN, it just that you cannot get it back.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:13 | 1868737 Caviar Emptor
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Ya know, when everybody's printing, you don't need to do hard accounting. You just take whatever you need. Need some more? Sure. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:09 | 1868725 High Plains Drifter
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does this sound inflationary or deflationary?

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:10 | 1868730 High Plains Drifter
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we are all cramericans now..........

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:12 | 1868736 SwingForce
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"The Fed has Nationalized the YIELD CURVE" Rewind, replay, brilliant.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:50 | 1868855 slewie the pi-rat
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the bastards have the zirp cavalry

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:42 | 1869081 caerus
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hell bernank is talking to troops now..."independent within government" indeed...sure seems like politicking to me

 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 07:58 | 1869305 Seer
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Well, they'll be needed in order to confiscate the gold that the banks will need to keep their game going...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 13:19 | 1870213 RiverRoad
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To caerus:    Sure as hell is.  USAA is royally pissed that JPM et al (the Fed) repossessed homes of military personnel sent overseas when they were unable to keep up with payments.  Hence major reason for heavy military contributions to Ron Paul....Obummer's running scared on this so he trots out Ben.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:15 | 1868743 mynhair
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Plied Higher and Deeper!

Krugman is right!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:37 | 1868820 knukles
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Ah hah!  My confirmation bias confirmed!

Krugman is nuts. 
If Krugman is right and I think the whole fucking planet has gone nuts. 
Then I am Krugman?
No... the whole fucking planet is nuts.  That's where I meant to get to.
The whole fucking planet has gone nuts.

 

(Pheew!  That was close)

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:24 | 1869055 CrazyCooter
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The planet can never go "nuts". Alligators are millions of years old and it stands to reason, if you are "mathy" that alligators will be around when humans are gone.

Nature is behind all of this, waiting in the wings. In time, nature will rule the day.

Not to steal a line from TPTB, but this is all ... well ... transistory.

What the planet really wants is ... plastic. Yeah, whatever, spare me the tree hugging hippy bull shit, the planet invented humans because it wanted fucking plastic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBRquiS1pis

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:22 | 1868761 CvlDobd
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That girl is quite pretty. Any more videos of her? I need more trading ideas.

Interesting video in all seriousness.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 14:18 | 1870407 BigJim
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ZH exclusive - Sandra Bullock interviews Clark Kent!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:24 | 1868768 High Plains Drifter
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so the fed and the amerikan military are related?  isn't that special?   and now we talk about farmland in iowa..........hmmm food...........

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:26 | 1868782 centerline
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water.  potable water.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:35 | 1868817 PulauHantu29
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100% chance of printing.

Watch oil hit $160 before Christmas.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:13 | 1868909 chump666
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I don't think we will make to christmas. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:39 | 1868823 mynhair
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Nice editing on Gloomturd's end.

Cliff notes:

1)  World is overleveraged

2) World is going to overdrive printing

3) Farm land is too expensive.

No wonder you Rue Paul types like this.  Makes no sense.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:30 | 1869065 CrazyCooter
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Price is a sword.

But, in your wisdom and genius, I didn't need to point that out.

Carry on with your worthless posts, the masses await!

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:03 | 1869309 Seer
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"Carry on with your worthless posts, the masses await!"

Thanks, Cooter!  I was wondering whether it was just me who was seeing/tiring of this.  Trolls suck!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:36 | 1869073 malalingua
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Rue Paul is in office now.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:40 | 1868824 High Plains Drifter
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time warner wrote me a note this week. cable internet is going up from 50 to 55 /month.  juar like that, 5 dollar increase.......if you don't like it , tough..........what a a rip off. 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:16 | 1868914 contagiousNY
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everyone should just cancel them...who needs that shit? Got to keep switching to stay cheap, how about fios?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:54 | 1869098 CrazyCooter
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LMAO!

Fios!

Hah!

Ok, stop, it hurts.

I don't even want to start on the (10 year old rant now for me) that the capital cost for Fios DOESNT MAKE SENSE. Great, I am happy Fios has 5% of the market or something. Let me know how that works out for you.

Forgive the cut-and-paste, but I am really pissed off now. Shaygan can go fuck him self. This is from the comments section of CIO magazine about ten years ago on Shaygan Kheradpir before they pulled it. The Verizon employee base went apeshit on the comments section. This is what I saved before it went dark ... the article was "Sleepless In Manhattan".

Sleepless In Manhattan

Reader Comments 

Back to Sleepless In Manhattan


ONE VOTE FOR VERIZON IT.
Posted: APR 04, 2005 12:42:30 PM
Verizon IT! Verizon IT is a fast pace, always growing and continually changing environment that has challenges everyday. It takes dedication, quick wit and team work to keep up with the environment and this is known when people arrive to Verizon. I have worked for Verizon IT on and off for 3 years with one year being an employee, two = being a contractor. I have experienced both sides of the fence and on neither side have I experienced anything other than a great place to work and grow. Verizon IT doesn’t expect anything more or less from their people than what the management or other personnel don’t do their selves on a daily basis’s. Verizon strives for excellence and unfortunelty sometimes when people arrive to Verizon they have a different perception of what is expected. This creates unhappy people which have the choice to seek happiness elsewhere that meets their standards of less than what Verizon expects and that is Excellence. 

Fiefdom of fear...
Posted: APR 04, 2005 12:25:50 PM
Complaints aside, few have actually realized the genius of Shaygan’s devious plan that increased organization throughput overnight. Given Larry Babbio’s (Shaygan’s boss) hands off approach and the criminal indifference of Verizon HR to flagrant violations brought forth, Shaygan used his golden opportunity to transform an American corporate department into his personal fiefdom where fear rules supreme and the law of the land does not apply. 

* Elements

Shaygan’s appointment as the CIO was followed by a reshuffle and promotion of his buddies. These newly promoted individuals exclusively recruited middle-eastern kids from colleges in Beirut and a couple other cities (Verizon paid for these trips to the middle-east). The new recruits were quickly promoted to line and middle level management positions. The token organization headed by Judy Spitz was left out of this plan to serve as the perfect alibi – akin to Greta Bergmann’s tryouts for the Nazi Olympics. These "imported" managers were clearly incapable of staffing the positions they had been promoted to and hence were afraid of losing their jobs.

* Execution

Partly due to their inexperience and mostly due to fear of being fired, these "managers" complied with and committed to clearly unachievable deadlines dictated by Shaygan. We worked fifteen hour days, seven days a week -- although we were clearly instructed not to report more than 40 hours. It is at this time that hordes of "consultants" were brought in. Initially we saw the consultants as a blessing but it became clear that Shaygan did not want non-H1B holders on his team. H1B holders are the new age slaves who are forced to be subservient to their employers. Given that most of these body shops were either owned by senior Verizon managers, or were closely affiliated with them, it made voicing a negative view that much more difficult. Americans who needed to be displaced from this organization were either put on PIP -- quite funny if you consider the 90+ hour work week, or subjected to RIF while H1B consultants were being brought in at the same time. There was an organization with middle-eastern management (on H1B) fearful of losing their jobs and staffed with H1B consultants who were afraid to speak up. People worked round the clock to complete projects. However, this sweat shop made Shaygan look like a hero to his management who have possibly positioned him as Babbio’s successor.

* Result

Verizon IT today is mostly an organization staffed with indentured labor that has been scared into compliance. Americans have been carefully plucked from the organization and replaced with compliant H1B holders, except for the alibi organization. Women are excluded from positions of importance and individuals of non middle-eastern origin are treated as second class citizens. Just to set the record straight – there are qualified, capable and progressive individuals of middle-eastern origin qualified to staff management positions – but they are also subject to the same discrimination as the rest of us because they are not afraid. I know a talented middle-eastern lady who has never been promoted because 

(1) she’s a lady,

(2) she refuses to wear the Hijab to work and has been subsequently branded a charlatan. 

This writing is not a rant against people of middle-eastern origin. It is a mere attempt at exposing the master plan of an uncouth individual who does not possess the ethics and character to lead ANY organization in the free and civilized world.

What surprises me is that there are journalists who will do little more regurgitate official propaganda without doing any fact-finding. Shaygan Kheradpir deserves no recognition, at least not on a publication as well known as the CIO magazine.

Did your reporter get paid to write this article?
Posted: APR 04, 2005 11:36:09 AM
I have been a CIO reader for couple of years. I always thought that your articles have been fair and balanced (almost always till I read this one). 

When I read all the opinions posted with respect to this article, it makes me wonder if your reporter lives in virtual reality created by the SK? 

I decided to do some investigation myself. I did not want to dismiss these allegations as coming from some disgruntled employees/contractors.

Here is what I have found.

80% of the management positions (Director and above) in Verizon IT are occupied by people of Middle East origin. Some of the directors are still on H1B.

I have seen many Executive Directors who have less than 5 years of total experience in IT and are handling a budget of more than 50 million. (I can provide names if required). These guys have no experience prior to verizon. They were fresh out of the college from some middle eastern country. 

Atleast two brothers are Vice Presidents under Fari. To be fair to them, one of them has a doctorate degree from a US university. However, they regularly visit their native place to get fresh graduates and promote them to director positions. 

The idea of project management in verizon IT equates to creating documents after the project is completed and trying to fit in the things within budget. Project Managers are treated like dirt and are used only for decorative purposes.

Vendors are explicitly told by Verizon Managers/Directors not to hire citizens as they may ask for overtime. 

Given the above facts, I would request your editorial team to revisit the article and make sure that all the sides are covered justly.
John Doe
Ex Verizon Employee
Verizon

Censorship!!
Posted: APR 04, 2005 11:20:43 AM
Delete count -- 8... 
This is really something!!!
cio.com deleted my comments.... Here it is again.. and I will post it again and again until they block my access to this web site.. (well i can get around that too)...

CIO.com is censoring this comment blog. they are deleting the comments since yesterday evening. the comments list was at lease three times this last night!!!
Raju chahal
consultant
adea

Mr, Shaygan, please read this
Posted: APR 04, 2005 08:22:01 AM
(This is a speech of Narayana Murthy, the Chief Mentor of Infosys : A born leader, highly effective organizational head)

LOVE YOUR JOB, BUT NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN COMPANY STOPS LOVING YOU... 

Narayana Murthy

Extract of Mr. Narayana Murthy’s Speech during Mentor Session:

I know people who work 12 hours a day, six days a week, or more. Some people do so because of a work emergency where the long hours are only temporary. Other people I know have put these hours for years. I don’t know if they are working all these hours, but I do know they are in the office this long. Others put in long office hours because they are addicted to the workplace. Whatever the reason for putting in overtime, working long hours over the long term is harmful to the person and to the organization. There are things managers can do to change this for everyone’s benefit. Being in the office long hours, over long periods of time, makes way for potential errors. My colleagues who are in the office long hours frequently make mistakes caused by fatigue. 

Correcting these mistakes requires their time as well as the time and energy of others. I have seen people work Tuesday through Friday to correct mistakes made after 5 PM on Monday. Another problem is that people who are in the office long hours are not pleasant company. They often complain about other people (who aren’t working as hard); they are irritable, or cranky, or even angry. Other people avoid them. Such behavior poses problems, where work goes much better when people work together instead of avoiding one another. As Managers, there are things we can do to help people leave the office. First and foremost is to set the example and go home ourselves on time. I work with a manager who chides people for working long hours. His words quickly lose their meaning when he sends these chiding groups e-mails with a time-stamp of 2 AM, Sunday. Second is to encourage people to put some balance in their lives. 

For instance, here is a guideline I find helpful:

1) Wake up, eat a good breakfast, and go to work.
2) Work hard and smart for eight or nine hours.
3) Go home.
4) Read the comics, watch a funny movie, dig in the dirt, play with your kids, etc
5) Eat well and sleep well. This is called recreating. Doing steps 1, 3, 4, and 5 enable step 2. Working regular hours and recreating daily are simple concepts. 

They are hard for some of us because that requires personal change. They are possible since we all have the power to choose to do them. In considering the issue of overtime, I am reminded of my eldest son. When he was a toddler, if people were visiting the apartment, he would not fall asleep, no matter how long the visit, and no matter what time of day it was. He would fight off sleep until the visitors left. It was as if he was afraid that he would miss something. Once our visitors’ left, he would go to sleep. By this time, however, he was over tired and would scream through half the night with nightmares. He, my wife, and I, all paid the price for his fear of missing out. Perhaps some people put in such long hours because they don’t want to miss anything when they leave the office. The trouble with this is that events will never stop happening. That is life!! Things happen 24 hours a day. Allowing for little rest is not ultimately practical. So, take a nap. Things will happen while you’re asleep, but you will have the energy to catch up when you wake. 

Not a Grievances Board
I have read through some of the responses and find a great sense of resentment within Verizon IT.However this is not the forum to bring these issues.
Verizon has been regarded as a great place to work by many and has several happy employees.
If practices followed by certain managers or ethics are in question they should be taken up with Verizon HR for corrective action and not be discussed on the public internet. 

team diversity

"Walk up to the various floors of development offices. In some floors you will see only Indians and in few other floors only Middle Easters people working."

This is so true. I am an Indian, working with VZ as a contractor. I support the above statement.

There should be more diversity within teams.

This has two-fold advantage.. citizens will caution immigrant workers from becoming a victim of exploitation. Secondly, environment will become more congenial, culturally diverse (not just on paper to show to the government) and negative feelings pertaining to foreign-workers could be diminished.

HR should be more involved and should not just stick circulars on pillars asking for feedback. They should conduct surprise sessions, where they talk to contractors and employees alike, and find out what are the shortcomings and which of their new policies are working in the right direction. Just having peoplesoft setup does not help.

When i joined verizon, I was focused on becoming an employee in a fortune 10 company and get a stable job and live the "American dream".

No one will say ’No’ to work, not because they are scared of outsourcing, but due to the fact that we humans by nature are explorers, curious beings and if challenged, can put people on moon. They say ’No’ when they are asked to put a man on the moon every five minutes in a different colour suit. Thing to note here is that going to the moon is important, not the colour of the suit (from a tech point of view, Sales guys might disagree :))

I am planning for a change because this environment is changing me for the worse (and due to fear of other companies doubting verizon contractors’ ability to develop stable enterprise level systems after reading all these comments..."a case of the mundays" ;) ).

I believe being proactive is the way to work and excel. The anti-thesis or i should say i read the fine print talking about the perils of being proactive. If you are proactive, people will just delegate their work to you till the point you become reactive and ultimately inundated with work which makes you question your own ability.

I fully support the dashboard concept, it is a nice useful tool. Company productivity should be the main point-cut on a CIO’s mind. CIO should definitely be doing SWOT analysis, but not at the codebase level. Getting to know technology and business is the need of the hour for all the CIOs so that he/she can know when technology is there to fulfill his vision. Designing and implemention is best left to people who have been hired to perform that task. Vision should be set by him (the CIO) not the sequence diagrams of a UML doc.

Saying that "I do not know any other approach, to get things done" is not very motivating and gives out a picture that CIO is not ready for change. I would like to share one geek humour moment... which i personally believe is a fact... "change is inevitable, except from a vending machine"

Thanks for reading this blog. May you live long and prosper. :)

Family time, Weekends and nights are taken granted FREE Work hours even TODAY.
All consultants at Verizon, its consulting vendor offices, Indian off-shore offices are expected to work during nights and Weekends. Time sheets are not signed more than 40hrs means there is no OVER TIME PAYMENT. Forget about that, there are occasions where people are asked to put only 20hrs a week :0. Take interviews in 919 Hidden ridge, Irving, TX-75038 if you need proofs. People are fired verbally and like "You don’t need to come from next week..." are very common. Managers try to impress top managers for promotions. You can easily jump from level 4 to level 7 directly if you are from Middle East. A poor Indian guy will be slogging for his basic salary bonus of $3000 from 6 years. Non Middle East guys will get jobs just to avoid legal obligations from HR. Even a CIO directly calls and talks to a team leader at 2A.M in the morning asking to change the functionality on a web page. One poor guy rushed to office at mid-night, being on call while driving and made an accident got amputated. (Happened in 2003 Dec at Gateway Labs, Irving, and TX. Take interviews with any consultant in 919 Hidden ridge, Irving, Verizon for proof.)

Poor consultants have no choice but to work due to green card issues, irregular employment, pay check 90day gap with consulting companies like GCI, Parsippany, NJ. We don’t know the legal laws to report to TEXAS WORK FORCE COMMISSION.

It’s becoming brutal day by day over here and the charm of working in America is gone and I got fed up working in IT any more too. I got stuck with my family reasons and green card.

After you read this article, if you have any kind heart and wish to do something please take interviews and give to media to straighten the VERIZON work culture.
Thanks

Shaygan is leading a disorganization
Verizon IT management is assuming on personal time and life of its employees. The organization is highly disorganized and nobody knows really what happens. The effort spent really gets nowhere.
Krishna Venkataraman
Project Manager
Vendor

The highest paid unit tester in the world 
Shaygan is better off spending his time fixing process issues in organizations of this size than worrying about the color of a button on some screen. Quite a few of his executives are too immature to handle teams as well.

From what i have seen of him, he should be a unit tester in one of the teams than sitting there on a CIO seat.

Looking at both sides - the bright n the not so bright
I see a lot of fumes being let out above. On my behalf its a firm nod on the "fresh grads benefit" thing. Yes, theres tremendous scope for anyone who starts off afresh. For the person who is raring to go and cram whatsoever available into those late hrs he/she puts in , its opportunity at its best. But beyond that Verizon fails to offer much extended growth.

Introspecting for a moment...Verizon already features in the top 20 biggest organizations of the world (standing on so much chaos)... just think abt its prospects if we had a much more organized work culture. Is Mr.Kheradpir listening?

Stop hiring relatives Verizon...HR shame on you and John Bell!!

If someone in Verizon HR had the balls, and open eyes, they would see what Shaygan is doing. He and his head honchos are all middle-eastern, from Iran or from Lebanon - countries that are known for producing brilliant IT people?? -- duh!!! and each of these head honchos has his wife, brother, sister or cousin working for Verizon. Each Director or Executive Director has employed his spouse or brother to work for another Director with Verizon IT to avoid detection.

Graduates from middle-eastern universities with less than 10 years of experience in the industry, armed with H1 visas, are Directors and Exective Directors, have very little moral values, work 75 hour weeks because their relatives cannot handle the work load and have to hire consultants to complete the work.

What a load of crap - 7000 employees, add another 4000 contractors.

I encourage the reporter to question these values at Verizon, a fortune 10 company being led to obliviation by nepotism and lack of management.

The language that is spoken at Verizon Irving is Arabic, conference rooms swarming with middle-eastern people talking loudly about their next vacation to Leabanon or politics in the middle-east or about hiring yet another friend as a consultant. Most of all, Friday’s are half a day’s worth of work, since everyone declines to attend meetings between 11:00 and 4:00 in the afternoons and start meetings at 5:00 in the evenings, when us Americans have to go to our kids and wives.

HR is practically run by IT and has no say in whatso ever goes on...shame on the humar resource practices and John Bell!!!

--- A Sr.Manager at Verizon who is a Proud American, knowing why my pension at Verizon is the reason I am still here.


White American Manager
sr manager
screwed up middle eastern biatch''''s org

Looking for escape route.
I agree with a lot of Shaygan’s aggressiveness, concepts and theories. I just have one problem, his approach. Shaygan should put the same effort into efficiency. You should not have to work 80 hours a week to move up in the organization or to complete a project and if you work 80 hours, that does not mean you are the best employee. There is no place for Americans in the IT Department because we want to have life outside of work. I refuse to work the hours that most of these contractors and Middle Eastern Employees work. 

P.S. - If every single one of my friends and family worked here I would work 80 hours a week too!

Crappy and Biased Article

I work for Verizon IT, and can safely say that most of this article is painly wrong. The only thing that has come out of IT’s innovations is iobi, which is not a proven product by the way. All of the systems are developed in an ad hoc basis and constantly have outages.

The ’do it in 5 minutes’ attitude has affected the maintainability of long-term IT systems. Everything needs to be done in 5 minutes - HR is non-existent - so developers are hired from vendors: often the worst developers one can find. Given that, the it is no surprise that the systems produced are crappy as well.

Other posters are also right about:

- only middle eastern managers being promoted

- no existence of HR (why on Earth would people need to work 14h days? this goes so much against fundamental principles of good software and people management)

- performance reviews are changed by higher ups without any approval from the managers who created them

All in all, VZ IT is not the place to work for any aspiring developer or manager.

Unfair and Unprofessional
Verizon IT is higly unprofessional in the manner in which it conducts its business.Talent is not well recognized and promotions in certain departments have been openly unfair.

One wonders if HR exists in Verizon IT with any significant authority.Almost 50% of Retail IT Executives promoted in the past years have been people of certain ethnic origin.Some Directors and Exceutive Directors have laughable resumes with career starts in Verizon a few years ago.The .com bust has yet to have its effect on Verizon.People have over capitalized on Verizon.com and continue to do so with increasing unprofessionalism.

1 AM system chk -- reallity
Someone should tell him that the website support/development group gets on at 11 pm and makes sure that his account is working fine...

Rest of the Verizon customer can have their bugs.. but his accounts are always working before his 1 am system check.

What is so important?

Can some one explain what is so important that they need to do which requires such crappy hours?

The budget for Verizon.com site is more then that of some of major NASA projects.. and yet the systems are so buggy...

There are at least 5 different systems doing the same work. There is no concept of teamwork, sharing of code. 

Everyone wants to be the exclusive owner of the systems they are working on. It is all driven from the very top as a competition.. who can do this work in the cheapest and earliest time..

They bring in two or managers and let them compete for projects in the room.. The result -- every one has to work for 80-90 hour week at 40 hour pay to meet the unrealistic deadlines.

Moreover as soon as there is word out from the top management (part of the 3 am email circuit) managers start doing prototypes to compete...

This may look like a good thing from outside, but come over to one of the "Development Ghettos" in Irving including the ones run by preferred vendors like Adea solutions/ corpus/infovision/DTG etc and you will see the what the people at the bottom rung of the ladder has to do to make this work...

One of the company - Adea Solutions - has mandated a 12 hour day 6 day a week (with 40 hour pay) to fulfill the dreams of Mr. S on several of his SOW’s so that they do not offend Verizon.. not worrying about their own employees.

The shareholder’s money is not being put to good use... Some one should do an audit on how much money is wasted by the policies of this one man his cronies.

 

Now, I wonder what Mr. Shaygan Kheradpir is up to these days. Oh, AMAZING FUCKING THAT! Barclays!

This son of a bitch is rotten to the core.

Regards,

Cooter

 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:08 | 1869312 SamuelMaverick
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Wow, that is one long post Cooter.  I read the whole thing and it explains why Verizon Landline division is so screwed up.  The cost per install of Fios is astronomical and is a huge money loser for Verizon.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:08 | 1869313 Seer
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Sigh, I could only wish...  I'm stuck with using 3G for Internet- too far out in the rural hinterlands for DSL or cable.  And talk about being gouged: and then there's the limits on data.  My only options are either satellite or carrier pigeon.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:45 | 1868837 beaker
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I buy and sell farms so let me say Grant used a lot of poetic license with his numbers to illustrate how fucked up the Fed has made things.  $17,000/ac for farmland in Iowa is NOT remotely the norm. That was paid by some farmer trying to outbid his neighbor for a piece of land.  Good farmland has indeed been bid up and cap rates have fallen, but there are good investments to be had at 4% to 5% caps. 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:18 | 1869324 Seer
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I'd further add that he's measuring things using metrics that won't last.

In the future farmland won't be a big mono-crop, corporate affair.  It'll also be far more important: declines in cheap energy will result in more local farming.

Today there's the need to generate returns in order to pay off those big loans.  If the banks and the mortgage holders aren't around to collect then this pressure will be greatly reduced: I hedged for this possibility by not cashing out my mortgage (why burn the PM now?), and am content with meeting my contractual obligations as long as someone is there to collect.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:46 | 1868845 Eireann go Brach
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Deirdre is pretty hot! Another charming young inteliigent Irish lass with a nice pure look just like Margaret Brennan and Erin Burnett! unlike the fake titted nauseating narcississtic US dumb as rock cunts that do not have an ounce of charm in them!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:47 | 1868846 CombustibleAssets
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IS the ECB "Stealth Printing"?

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